P-7 - psp fans?


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Tokugawa
September 21, 2005, 01:00 PM
Any other advocates of this fine weapon here? Any one ever have any problems with it? Mine have been totally reliable and very accurate. I toyed with the idea of having a shroud welded on in front of the trigger guard to house a laser that would be switched on by the squeeze cocker. How to house a battery and run the wires sort of defeated me- I think a good gunsmith could do it though.

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cslinger
September 21, 2005, 01:06 PM
Ahhh the P7 series the ONLY guns that I pick up and don't think, "These are nice, but they are no SIG." Don't tell my SIGs though :scrutiny:

Pick a Pair of P7s (My M8 and M13)
http://www.myfishingpictures.com/img/062164.JPG

http://www.myfishingpictures.com/img/062163.JPG

ABBOBERG
September 21, 2005, 01:15 PM
Now, wouldn't it be cool to re-design this gun to be 40% smaller and lighter
(about 17 oz), still have the same length fixed barrel, and have a laser sight built into the dust cover?

Moonclip
September 21, 2005, 03:33 PM
I like them but the price holds me back. I've heard of durabilty issues too but I have no experience with that. Also heard the gun gets very hot after only 100 rounds, later guns had a heat shield by the trigger guard though.

Surprisingly though, I'm pretty sure this is now the service pistol of the Mexican Army!

mtnbkr
September 21, 2005, 03:38 PM
I try to like them, but I just can't get interested. They shoot well enough, but it wouldn't be my first choice.

Chris

mete
September 21, 2005, 04:44 PM
Fantastic gun ! Please don't ruin it by putting a silly light on it ! ..I've never had a problem with heat , it seems to depend on how you hold it.

lotus
September 21, 2005, 04:52 PM
Love mine. It does duty as my bedside pistol because I have no qualms about the safety of putting it in my robe pocket. I notice the heat a bit while firing but rarely shoot more than 100 rounds through it. Mags can be hard to find these days.

Tokugawa
September 21, 2005, 05:03 PM
I started carrying one about 1985. I switched from a 1911 because the size and wieght was killing me. Plus the 1911 cocked and locked thing may be ok for law enforcement or the like, but concealed under a shirt and working hard all day, there were times I'd find the thumb safety in the off position at the end of the day. At that time the P7 was about the smallest lightist 9mm around.
Having shot a lot of rounds through these, I think the heat issue is somewhat over exaggerated-

It still has some advantages-
The weapon has a consistant single action trigger pull.
It is not carried in a cocked or semi cocked condition.
If dropped, it will be uncocked before it hits the floor.
Very accurate.
Very reliable
Totally ambidexterous.
Very ergonomic- no safetys, decockers, etc, slim and trim ideal for IWB carry.
small package, long barrel. Due to the gas retarded action, the breech is set well back toward the hand.
Low muzzle flip due to the hand being close to the bore axis.

The cons-
Single stack magazine so 9 rounds are all you have in the gun
There are now a lot of 9mm's smaller and lighter.
All the "improvements" bastardized the gun- I still think the original P-7 is the cleanist design.
Too expensive

shoobe01
September 21, 2005, 05:06 PM
The M8 & M13 are redesigned to be stronger based on a specific german guy who crushed his sample PSP. They work great.

Size is right on. Weight is too high, though. But price is the only reason i don't own one. The .40 was an abomination, but if built right would be cool. M8 mags are lame; the locking thingy makes them hard to fit into any mag carriers, and harder yet to extract.

A friend who owns an M8 had a small block fall out due to a broken spring. Safety block, like anyone's drop safety, and seemingly uninteresting normal wear and tear. Well, its a critical safety component. Loading the gun (thankfully on a range!) when he released the frontstrap the gun went BANG! So, design flaw I say, but definately a safety note. Keep those muzzles pointed in a safe direction at all times.

waterhouse
September 21, 2005, 06:53 PM
I've got 3 PSPs and I also prefer the european mag release to the m8 and m13. I have shot an m10, and while it is one of the finest .40 cals I've ever shot I'd never buy one because the slide is really large and heavy and I only buy 9mm and .45 anyways :D

While they do weigh a little more than other guns of similar size, I don't find the weight to be a problem. With the added weight and gas system recoil is pretty much non existent. The grip angle works very well for me. I can pretty much just look at the target and the p7 hits it. I realize a lot of people can do this with ease with any of their guns, but I am NOT a great pistol shot and the p7 sort of makes me look like I am. I really like the trigger and feel it is only second to those on my 1911s.

The one I shoot the most needs to be kept clean. After about 300 rounds it is usually a good idea to strip it and clean the gas cylinder or it can start to have issues. Also it does get pretty hot to the touch after as little as 75 rounds. I wouldn't grab it if I was going to war or anything, but they are great for concealed carry. The only thing I would change about the factory gun is adding night sights.

Tom Servo
September 21, 2005, 07:01 PM
Here's mine, a PSP Bavarian Border Patrol refurb, refinished in NP3, with Nills Grips:

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y279/lonelymachines/th_p7_nils.jpg (http://photobucket.com/albums/y279/lonelymachines/p7_nils.jpg)

Accurate? Check. Great trigger? Check. Easy to strip and clean? Check. Easy to conceal? Check.

My only complaint is the heat, but then again, this is a combat gun, not a match gun.

CougarRed
September 21, 2005, 10:14 PM
I own a NP3 P7 with Euro mag release. Superb weapon. Wonderful trigger. Very accurate. One of my favorites.

My experience with this 20 year old HK was so good I pulled the trigger on another 20 year old HK - a P9S-45 Target.

Another outstanding firearm.

cslinger
September 21, 2005, 11:26 PM
Check. Easy to strip and clean? Check.

Thank you sir. I constantly hear about people Bitc%@ing and Moaning about the cleaning of a P7 an I just don't get it. Hell I find 1911s a PITA to clean, much more then a P7.

Chris

I realize I just broke some kind of Religious dogma with that 1911 comment.
:D

duncan
September 22, 2005, 01:34 AM
Hardchromed P7 carried by an Ohio State Trooper - now mine - with a Bladetech UCH tuckable kydex holster - yeah baby!

PSP BMI Imports - police trade in

P7M13

I prefer to carry the 84' PSP since it is thin and has a heel mag release. Guys at the HK facility in VA also carry the P7 and PSP instead of the P7M8 or the P7M13.

Anyone stating too expensive has not shot competitively with one of these puppies. 147 grainers and steel plates and you rock!

Good quality guns cost money - people don't complain about dropping a G on a nice 1911 - why would a P7 be any different :barf:

Moonclip
September 22, 2005, 04:15 AM
True, good comparison with higher end 1911 price and P7 price. I guess people are willing to spend based on brand, caliber and gun type though. How much more is that litle horse on a gun worth really to you?

Examples, there was a high end competition geared 9mm marketed by Llama, it did not do well. people associated Llama with inexpensive 1911 clones.

Also, how about the P7k3 in 380acp? While I have heard this is a superb handgun, at a gunshop I was told no one was willing to spend $1000 for a 380 auto.

duncan
September 22, 2005, 03:28 PM
Moonclip: lso, how about the P7k3 in 380acp? While I have heard this is a superb handgun, at a gunshop I was told no one was willing to spend $1000 for a 380 auto.

That guy is right - only P7 nuts who will pay $1,000 for the 380/32/22 P7 or $2500 for the 40 cal P7M10. If I could get a P7M10 for $1,000 (maybe I would) But three is enough for now.

The P7K3 does have an issue. It uses a hydralic buffer so when it goes, it's gone - gun is inoperative. And HK is apparantly not making any more of thos e buffers. So you may have 3K more rounds in that little P7 or you may not.

I'll stick to the 9mm P7s. :D

Zeabed
September 22, 2005, 09:56 PM
Lotus mentioned a critical point for anyone considering buying a P7 now. Mags and surely other accessories and replacement parts are becoming even more difficult to get for the P7. When I got my P7M8 several years ago, I also made sure to get eight extra factory mags and the most recommended H&K factory replacement parts to have handy: recoil spring, heat shield, firing pin and fp spring and bushing, etc. It would be tragic to buy such a fine and expensive gun and not be able to get parts for it at all in a few years, unless you're willing to consign it to the safe as an "investment," and not shoot it at all.

duncan
September 23, 2005, 03:12 PM
HK should have a couple years of parts for the P7s.

Tom Servo
September 23, 2005, 05:22 PM
Thank you sir. I constantly hear about people Bitc%@ing and Moaning about the cleaning of a P7 an I just don't get it. Hell I find 1911s a PITA to clean, much more then a P7.
Yeah, I don't get it. Pull back slide, push button, ease slide forward. May even be easier than my Sigs. The only extra step is cleaning the gas piston, but if done regularly, it only takes two seconds. No tools required, no recoil-spring plungers to scour the dark corners of the garage for, no multiple tries to get the barrel lug lined up just right when putting the slide back on.

Much as I love my 1911s, they are a pain to clean compared to my other pistols, and the HK is a breeze. The NP3 helps, too, because it barely needs oil to stay slick.

Bobo
September 23, 2005, 09:17 PM
ABBOBERG: Now, wouldn't it be cool to re-design this gun to be 40% smaller and lighter
(about 17 oz), still have the same length fixed barrel, and have a laser sight built into the dust cover? Put me on the top of the list!!! :D

varoadking
September 23, 2005, 09:30 PM
Now, wouldn't it be cool to re-design this gun to be 40% smaller and lighter (about 17 oz), still have the same length fixed barrel, and have a laser sight built into the dust cover?

Uh, no...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v22/varoadking/PM.jpg

Custard
September 24, 2005, 01:37 AM
Forgive me if this is unacceptable thread drift...

What do you do for a holster? I would like to take a practical shotgun course but they do failure drills and you have to have a handgun with a holster. I love my P7M8 but I don't have a holster for it.

Any suggestion on a good holster that would be appropriate for IDPA should I get started with that?

TIA,

Dan

Tom Servo
September 24, 2005, 02:27 AM
What do you do for a holster?
I don't know of anyone who makes a stock holster for the P7s. However, all the good custom-makers will do one, and several do them really well.

High Noon is good for the price and pretty quick. Rafter S, even more so (I'd pay twice as much for what I get from them and not complain).

If you're willing to wait and pay a bit more, Milt Sparks' VMII is perfect, and Matt Del Fatti makes some great stuff. I just got a Bulman for mine which is just wonderful, and usually available in less than a month.

Custard
September 24, 2005, 02:49 AM
Erik,

Thanks for the pointers. I would love to find a good holster with a internal retention mechanism. I hit the web sites of the holster makers I know (big names) but didn't find anything. I didn't think of custom shops.

Just after I posted I found that BladeTech seems to have some models for squeeze cockers. They are specifically mentioned as being IDPA approved.

Dan

SRFL
September 24, 2005, 03:45 AM
I've always wanted a P7/PSP....but each time I'm close to one at or around $750, it goes by the time I see an ad. :banghead:

Chipperman
September 24, 2005, 09:19 AM
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y164/Chipperman/Holsters.jpg

Milt Sparks VMII :cool:

Custard
September 24, 2005, 11:21 AM
Chipperman: Boy is that a beautiful holster. I don't think I want a IWB since I don't normally carry and it seems like it would be uncomfortable in a pair of pants that are on the tight side already. Is it?

I forgot to mention on the heat isue. I just put a bandaid on my trigger finger where the burn would be.

Dan

Pilot
September 24, 2005, 12:40 PM
I have a mint condition P7M8 that is just a range gun, but I carry my BMI P7 PSP a lot. I like that its a little slimmer, has the heel mag release and slight holster wear so I don't feel guilty about carrying it.

Chipperman
September 24, 2005, 12:53 PM
Custard,

Thanks, It doesn't look quite that nice now. I took that pic the day I got the holster, so it was pristine. ;)

You are correct, that any IWB will make your pants fit tighter. You have to take that into account if you are going to CCW every day.
The upside is easier concealability and stability over an OWB.

9mmepiphany
September 24, 2005, 07:40 PM
all good custom holsters have an "internal" retention device...they call it hand molding

larry starling
September 25, 2005, 09:53 AM
I Sold my P7 PSP wish I would have kept it was a excellent shooter. My reason for ditching it was to focus my attention on collecting Colt's.... :D

Peter M. Eick
September 26, 2005, 07:50 AM
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/eickpm/3p7s.jpg

Yes I like them. Here are my 3. I use 3 and about 40 mags because at my rate of fire it takes 3 to cool down enough to shoot again.

Great guns! Very concealable!

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