Best way to shipp ammo?


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phantomak47
September 21, 2005, 02:22 PM
I have over 1k round of 7.62x39 ammo sitting around at my parents home in Ma. After leaving college, I was thinking that its about time to get it to Texas, since its collecting dust in Ma.

what is the best method of getting it shipped to Houston and what company would yall suggest?

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Rob62
September 21, 2005, 02:25 PM
Make sure it is packed securely and use UPS ground. The box will have to be marked ORM-D and they will most likely also have you mark it "Small Arms Ammunition".

At least hey did with the last batch of ammo I shipped out. If the value is more than the $100 the box will automatically be isnured for, I recommend to get the extra insurance.

Rob

EOD Guy
September 21, 2005, 02:34 PM
Here are the DOT regulations for shipping small arms ammunitions:

Code of Federal Regulations, Title 49, Part 173

173.63 Packaging exceptions

(b) Cartridges, small arms, and cartridges power devices. (1) Cartridges, small arms and cartridges power devices (which are used to project fastening devices) which have been classed as a Division 1.4S explosive may be reclassed, offered for transportation, and transported as ORM-D material when packaged in accordance with paragraph (b)(2) of this section; such transportation is excepted from the requirements of subparts E (Labeling) and F (Placarding) of part 172 of this subchapter. Cartridges, small arms, and cartridges power devices that may be shipped as ORM-D material is limited to:

(i) Ammunition for rifle, pistol, or shotgun;
(ii) Ammunition with inert projectiles or blank ammunition;
(iii) Ammunition having no tear gas, incendiary, or detonating explosive projectiles;
(iv) Ammunition not exceeding 12.7 mm (50 caliber or 0.5 inch) for rifle or pistol, cartridges or 8 gauge for shotshells; and
(v) Cartridges power devices which are use to project fastening devices.

(2) Packaging for cartridges, small arms, and cartridges power devices as ORM-D material must be as follows:
(i) Ammunition must be packed in inside boxes, or in partitions which fit snugly in the outside packaging, or in metal clips;
(ii) Primers must be protected from accidental initiation;
(iii) Inside boxes, partitions or metal clips must be packed in securely-closed strong outside packagings;
(iv) Maximum gross weight is limited to 30 Kg (66 pounds) per package; and
(v) Cartridges, power devices which are used to project fastening devices and 22 caliber rim-fire cartridges may be packaged loose in strong outside packagings.

Part 172 (Marking)

172.316 Packagings containing material classed as ORM-D

(a) Each non-bulk packaging containing a material classed as ORM-D must be marked on at least one side or end with the ORM-D designation immediately following or below the proper shipping name of the material (Cartridges, Small Arms). The ORM designation must be placed within a rectangle that is approximately 6.3 mm (0.25 inches) larger on each side than the designation.

(b) The marking ORM-D is the certification by the person offering the packaging for transportation that the material is properly described, classed, packaged, marked and labeled (when appropriate) and in proper condition for transportation according to the applicable regulations of this subchapter.

1911user
September 21, 2005, 02:46 PM
Does UPS have a surcharge for ammo shipments like powder/primers?

Rob62
September 21, 2005, 02:50 PM
1911user - I don't recall there being any surcharge for the ammo I shipped. But it was expensive due to weight.

Rob

EOD Guy
September 21, 2005, 03:04 PM
If you are shipping ORM-D, there is not usually a Hazmat fee.

hotpig
September 21, 2005, 07:39 PM
1911user

You are talking about Haz Mat shipping. There is a extra fee and UPS requires you to have their Haz mat shipping class. Unless they changed the class requirement in the last couple of years.

1911user
September 21, 2005, 08:44 PM
Thanks for the info. I'm sure lots of people can learn from this thread.

EOD Guy
September 22, 2005, 09:55 AM
You are talking about Haz Mat shipping. There is a extra fee and UPS requires you to have their Haz mat shipping class. Unless they changed the class requirement in the last couple of years.

If you are shipping HAZMAT other than ORM-D, you must be certified in accordance with DOT regulations. You do not have to have a UPS class. The necessary training can be obtained in many different places. My training was obtained mostly through the National Transportation Regulatory Compliance Training Program and my actual certification was by my employer. I have also had training through the DOT Transportation Safety Institute. You must be recertified in each specific area at least every three years (every two years for air regulations).

hotpig
September 22, 2005, 11:55 AM
Thanks EOD Guy. I have had UPS Employees in the past try to tell me that I need the class to ship ammo. I always had to get Customer Service on the phone and get permission to ship.

Amish_Bill
September 22, 2005, 02:16 PM
You're talking about what, an $80-90 case of ammo? Sell it to someone locally for $10-20 below what you have in it (for a fair discount) and buy another case where you are now.

got_the_bug
September 22, 2005, 02:26 PM
Hopefully you have a better experience than I when you go to ship your ammo...I was almost without my carefully handloaded ammo on last year's prairie dog trip! Unfortunately, the laws are not known well at UPS locations (at least around me), and I had to go through all sorts of hoops to get them to realize that yes, indeed, it was legal for me to ship ammunition using their UPS Ground service, as long as it had the ORM-D label. Let's see...among the many things I was told were that it wasn't legal to ship it, and that I needed an FFL. :banghead:

svtruth
September 22, 2005, 02:56 PM
I live in Wickford, RI.
For whatever Wolf is selling for in sardine cans (what I use), I'll send you a check, drive to the 'rents and pick it up and put it to good use.

karlsgunbunker
September 23, 2005, 02:36 AM
Place in box, surround with Packing Peanuts or crumpled paper.
seal with packing tape.
Place ORM-D label on outside of box.
Take to FedEx Ground. Tell snotty attendant that yes they do ship orm-d.
Make snotty attendant check his own policy.

Fedex ground is the cheapest way to ship by far.

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