[The Real Hawkeye]

Read this article. http://www.stoptheftaa.org/artman/publish/article_582.shtml

[bjbarron]

Oof!

While I have a certain amount of respect and sympathy for western Canadians and hard working Mexicans, I have zip for Canadian Moonbats and Mexican Elites. We'd inherit them suckers also.

I don't see how it would work. Mexico doesn't border San Francisco, and Canada doesn't border Boston....there's about 200+ million people who would instantly think this is a bad idea stuck in between them somewhere.

To be honest, I don't think your average far northron or far southron in the street would think this is a good idea either.

My thought has always been that the rest of the world needs to catch up quite a ways before we could safely open our borders. Ain't no such thing yet as 'all cultures are equal'.

Ain't gonna happen.

[xd9fan]

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[Standing Wolf]

Borders? That's a chain of book shops, right?

[Boss Spearman]

I figured it was so his corporation buddies could get workers for dirt low wages.

[1911 guy]

To those who think the goal of a world currency and economy is hogwash, I give you present day America. As we have seen around the world with the combining of economic institutions, from banks to nations, the result is never a "happy medium" of the higher standard dropping slightly and the lower raising slightly. It is always and without fail the crash of the higher to the level of the lower. We have seen it with the reunification of Germany, the nations affected by the adoption of the Euro, and, on the corporate level, banks who deal internationally. We are being set up for a North American economy and the best way for those in power to explain it away to us is the "well, they're here anyway" argument. NAFTA, CAFTA, and anything else they can railroad through is just cement between the bricks.

[NCP24]

To those who think the goal of a world currency and economy is hogwash, I’m sure the top 5 - 10% of the population considers everyone else slaves. The rich have always taken advantage of the common people, world economics equals more slaves in the field.

[MrTuffPaws]

Because we make more off of them, than they make off of us. Cheap labor. Fair and simple.

[Fletchette]

I have been aware of this issue for several years now, but I do not see how to stop it. Whenever a legally binding directive is implimented (think Prop 200) it just gets foiled by traitorous judges that can speak Orwellian logic with a straight face.

Really, what can we do?

[beerslurpy]

There is the tinfoil answer than then there is the more obvious one:

We are stealing Mexico's productive citizens. A lot of able bodied young Mexicans are coming here, earning and saving their way to a middle class lifestyle and becoming Americans in language and viewpoint.

The lazy ones come here, live off the dole and will eventually get kicked back across the border in a few years when we work out the national ID stuff. Or they can stay around and end up like the ghetto rats you saw in NOLA.

In 10 years, Vincente Fox will wonder why the money has stopped coming from his citizens in el Norte and the rest of his society is incapable of supporting the Mexican welfare state lol mugged by John Galt.

[Double Naught Spy]

Have you ever wondered why Bush won't secure our boarder with Mexicon?

Nope. NO more so than with any other President. This isn't just a Bush issue.

[NCP24]

Nope. NO more so than with any other President. This isn't just a Bush issue. After Clinton passed the first NAFTA we lost at least 20 major Furniture Plants and boatload of smaller companies from our area. Of course Bush added to NAFTA and allowed CAFTA to pass, which is costing us another X amount of businesses to relocate. Hey we can’t leave out congress…the dirty $%^&*

[The Real Hawkeye]

How embarrassing! I might not be the best speller in the world, but I do know how to spell border. It was late at night (relative to when I woke up), and I was typing fast. That's why border's homonym stands in its place in the title. Hope it didn't cause confusion. After all boarders need repelling, not securing.

[fourays2]

I think people are starting to realize wat's going on.

[The Real Hawkeye]

I think people are starting to realize wat's going on.I hope you are right, but the thing is so big and has been in the works for so long that I am not sure any amount of popular opposition will be able to stop it. It seems independent of who we elect to office. The people running the show seem to be operating behind the scenes setting our international agenda for us.

[fourays2]

I hope you are right, but the thing is so big and has been in the works for so long that I am not sure any amount of popular opposition will be able to stop it. It seems independent of who we elect to office. The people running the show seem to be operating behind the scenes setting our international agenda for us.

when you get 60% support across party and racial lines as happened with prop 200 in AZ then the pols better take note. the gov and AG in AZ have been stalling prop 200 implementation and I will bet serious money that both of them are gone next November.

[tg_26101]

My thoughts on the Mexican border situation is that allowing illegals to slip through is a "pressure relief". Central America, and southern Mexico, is full of communist sympathetic guerilla groups because people there have little hope for an improved lifestyle under the current system. The more energetic and motivated among these people attempt an escape to the north, to the USA, for a shot at a better lifestyle. Think of them in terms of the pilgrims fleeing England and Europe for a better lifestyle to the (pre) USA 300-400 years ago.

If the "pressure relief" is removed, and the border shut tight, millions of Mexicans (and others from Central America) have no hope of individually improving their situation by escape. At that point, these energetic and motivated, with no chance of escape, must change their situation at home. That's when the US finds itself with a raging civil war, with millions of participants, fighting on our southern border. Then the border is overrun with many, many millions of refugees attempting to flee the fighting. There are too many for us to stop, and the humanitarian aspect kicks in as well from the liberal viewpoint. Mixed with them are many of the fighting participants trying to move the fight to the US, making it a North American civil war. The scenario's I've seen worked out are that this group of refugees and fighters could potentially cut the US in half, pushing as far as Chicago before they could be contained. The US citizens between the border and whatever the northern thrust attains would be caught behind the lines in a bloody civil war, until the US military could push the mass of people back across the border. Even if they were pushed back, behind would remain "insurgents"; Houston could look very similar to Fallujah.

All hypothetical, but if this scenario were presented to you, as President, what is the lesser of the evils; illegal immigration, or civil war?

[The Real Hawkeye]

My thoughts on the Mexican border situation is that allowing illegals to slip through is a "pressure relief". Central America, and southern Mexico, is full of communist sympathetic guerilla groups because people there have little hope for an improved lifestyle under the current system. The more energetic and motivated among these people attempt an escape to the north, to the USA, for a shot at a better lifestyle. Think of them in terms of the pilgrims fleeing England and Europe for a better lifestyle to the (pre) USA 300-400 years ago.

If the "pressure relief" is removed, and the border shut tight, millions of Mexicans (and others from Central America) have no hope of individually improving their situation by escape. At that point, these energetic and motivated, with no chance of escape, must change their situation at home. That's when the US finds itself with a raging civil war, with millions of participants, fighting on our southern border. Then the border is overrun with many, many millions of refugees attempting to flee the fighting. There are too many for us to stop, and the humanitarian aspect kicks in as well from the liberal viewpoint. Mixed with them are many of the fighting participants trying to move the fight to the US, making it a North American civil war. The scenario's I've seen worked out are that this group of refugees and fighters could potentially cut the US in half, pushing as far as Chicago before they could be contained. The US citizens between the border and whatever the northern thrust attains would be caught behind the lines in a bloody civil war, until the US military could push the mass of people back across the border. Even if they were pushed back, behind would remain "insurgents"; Houston could look very similar to Fallujah.

All hypothetical, but if this scenario were presented to you, as President, what is the lesser of the evils; illegal immigration, or civil war?All hypothetical indeed. What the article is talking about, however, is not hypothetical in the sense that these plans have been openly advocated by the most influential policy making organizations in our country for many decades. Each step we've taken has taken us one step closer to their goal. Their goals are not secret. They are openly discussed in publications that only professional policy wonks tend to read. Those of us who only read mainstream media don't see it because we don't subscribe to such publications as Foreign Affairs. This is not a secret plot. It is laid out in detail in available publications of influential policy making organizations to which our elected representatives in the Federal Government belong as members. Not secret members, mind you. Membership lists are made available to those interested. We don't need to come up with wild and imaginative speculations. Their goals and memberships are not secrets.

[rick_reno]

Remember, Bush has his guest worker plan. The problem isn't the border, the problem is the people who come over it illegally - and the guest worker problem "fixes" that problem. With this President being the poster boy for many of the posters on this forum, I'd expect to see a lot of support for his plan. I'm guessing it should be in place in 9 months, before the '06 elections.

[bjbarron]

I’m sure the top 5 - 10% of the population considers everyone else slaves.

The US accounts for 4.9% of the world population. The average income of the US is $40K. The family poverty level of the US is around $19K depending on state.

The population of the world is 6.1 billion. The population of the US is 300 million.

The average world income is $5000 (a 30 trillion dollar world economy)
The top 10% of world incomes make $25,400
The top 5% of world incomes make $33,700
The top 1% of world incomes make $47,500

Remove the US from these figures (12 trillion dollar economy) and our poor are in the top 5%.

By your reasoning, the entire world would consider our poorest citizens as slavemasters. I don't feel like one....do you?

Is it to our fault or to our credit that our poorest citizens earn more than 95% of the rest of the world.

The concept should be to float the boat...not to sink it to everyone elses level.

We are stealing Mexico's productive citizens. A lot of able bodied young Mexicans are coming here, earning and saving their way to a middle class lifestyle and becoming Americans in language and viewpoint.

I agree. It has always been so. Italians, Irish, Chinese, and Jews assimilated (despite fears about their religions and cultures). Earlier waves of hispanics have also. But I think the trick is not to get overwhelmed so they can have time to melt in. Thus some intellegent border control is in order.

[Waitone]

This nonsense has been going on for multiple decades. Why go public now. North America integration has been on the table for a while. Why all of a sudden publish a roadmap to what is going on at the same time relevant political entities and meeting to implement what has been underway in the shadows?

The fact that it is ongoing, not a surprise.
The fact that it is happening, not a surprise.
The fact that both parties are involved, not a surprise.
The fact that it is now public, published, and discussed, now that is a surprise.

I read a piece a while back which said NA integration was a fevered attempt to compete with the European Union which was looming at the time. America's ruling class (which is europhilic) did not want to be left behind when the EU set up shop. Well, now that the EU is defunct in its historic form, one would think the NA integration would lose its steam. Not so. That tells me our ruling class is in the middle of a power grab. This one issue tells me in no uncertain terms there is literally no difference between the two major US parties. Both have no regard for national sovereignty and things American. At some point we, The Great Fed-Up, will have to conduct our affairs accordingly.

[longeyes]

Stop communism down south by bringing it up here? Now there's a sound strategic plan.

Public opposition, in the ordinary sense, won't stop an "historical" movement like this one, since the movement is backed by the highest levels of both our government and business communities. But that doesn't mean public opposition can't stop it. Sometimes things have to get a little crazy before anyone's paying attention.

We are just seeing the early manifestations of the illness. The fever and delirium are yet to come.

[Flyboy]

[QUOTE]The US accounts for 4.9% of the world population. The average income of the US is $40K. The family poverty level of the US is around $19K depending on state.

The population of the world is 6.1 billion. The population of the US is 300 million.

The average world income is $5000 (a 30 trillion dollar world economy)
The top 10% of world incomes make $25,400
The top 5% of world incomes make $33,700
The top 1% of world incomes make $47,500

(...and so forth...)
These sort of numerical comparisons sound interesting, but in reality are quite meaningless. Yes, they are technically true, but they are only a small part of the picture. You hint at the problem yourself: "[t]he family poverty level of the US is around $19K depending on state."

Different geographical regions have radically different costs of living. Consider, for example, New York City and rural Oklahoma. In NYC, $50K/yr is going to be pretty tight living, especially with a family. In OK, it'll be pretty comfortable indeed.

Now, take that principle, and go further with it. We get all worked up when we hear that Nike is only paying Malaysian workers $5/week, but when that's double the average pay around there those people will be able to live well indeed, at least by local standards.

To draw intellectually honest, meaningful conclusions, we need to look not at dollar values, but at standard of living. What resources does it take to maintain a given standard? The best unit of measure for those resources is hours worked/week, with some adjustments for the nature of the work. If I can work 25 hours/week, and I get paid $50/week for my toil, and the local economy allows me to have an air-conditioned house, satellite TV, internet, good food, a car, and so forth on $40/week, am I not better off than somebody working 60 hours/week for $500 who's paying $1000/mo for a small studio apartment, and another $1000/mo for his utilities and food?

Funny enough, very few studies really go into that sort of depth. Partly because it's a whole lot harder to do--it's highly subjective, where as dollar-value studies are about as objective as they come--and partly because the numbers would be far less shocking when adjusted for local economies.

[Major Beer]

we do not reproduce like we used to. we need tax payers regardless of race or voting status. the gov't must have confidence in its law enforcement ability - figure they will catch the crooks soon enough to weed out the bad ones. i think it is just a population thing. once they have kids, they are citizens that (hopefully) get a job and pay taxes.

look at the EU - it is shrinking in population.

or maybe more rich people need gardeners - i do not know.

some good posts here BTW.

[longeyes]

A nation is more than bodies. What good are bodies without the values? And without assimilation you don't have that.

You are right, though, that a lot of America is about narcissism and pleasure these days. Perhaps that comes inevitably with prosperity.

[Major Beer]

is it possible our economy would grow more if we had more good people? with 5% unemployment, there is not a lot fo the population to spare to try new starting new bussinesses / trying to be inovative.

think about the fact that most Americans have fewer children. minorities seem to come in, have a ton of kids. the second generation usually enters the workforce as a taxpayer, and reacts by having fewer children and so on. just my thought of optomism.

my guess is the majority of people coming here illegally are decent people looking for a better life. we also get some real losers, but we are going to have those guys regardless of gender and race OR whether they are foreign or not.

don't get me wrong, i have a huge problem with the illegals in the south west and what their impact is. i just think the country is too big to patrol with current means. i think more politicians that want their borders protected ought to look at the militia solution.

thank God we still have the right of self protection.

[The Real Hawkeye]

Major Beer, in a previous occupation I used to supervise Ukrainian (and other Eastern European) legal workers in this country. I used to talk to them about the illegal immigration problem and they would always be perplexed about it. They would tell me that if you ever tried crossing from, for example, Poland into Ukraine without going through proper channels you'd be shot dead on the spot, no questions asked. Their border is guarded, apparently, over its entire length. It seems they take their nation's territorial integrity seriously over there, and they are much poorer countries than the United States, with far fewer resources to defend their borders. I wish we took it half as seriously.

[longeyes]

Major Beer,

Maybe if we didn't have a welfare state based on give-aways and transfers and multicultural anti-assimilation fervor from the elites I would agree with your optimism. I think you are greatly exaggerating the degree of upward social mobility evidenced by, for example, the Mexican illegal immigrants of the last 30 years. You rise in this country based on education primarily; that's not happening with that immigrant group, much of that due to cultural value issues.

[wingman]

[QUOTE]is it possible our economy would grow more if we had more good people? Quote:

Perhaps, but where do they come from, current stats that I have read
state 50% Hispanics, 53% Blacks and 25% whites are dropping out of
high school, most illegals I know or encounter in my area of Texas have an
8th grade or less education. It all spells third world too me. We need to
close borders for a number of years and "try" to educate what we have
here now. Uncontrolled population growth benefits only the wealthy.

[grampster]

I'm wondering why our diplomats aren't negotiating some sort of mutual migration regulations that provides for freedom of movement and ability to own land etc. throughout the Western Hemisphere.

If Mexico, Central and South America are going to have their folks migrating here and aren't going to do anything about it, we need to demand that gringo's ought to be able to go south with impunity as well. The opportunity that represents for our youth today and youth of the future to carve another civilization out of the wilderness (political and business and otherwise) of the south is magnificant.

Maybe we should be looking 50 or so years into the future and discussing what that means for everyone. Heck, south of our borders, in many ways, is like our country was 100 years ago. Look what happened here. With the technology we have today and some gumption and vision, the sky is the limit imho.

[The Real Hawkeye]

Yeah, we should settle all that land, and then we can fight a war for independence and establish a nation and call it the Lone Star State. Except, this time we won't join the Union.

[Waitone]

They migrate here for the chance to earn a living, something effectively hindered in Mexico. We take 'em regardless of legal status believing the myth that they are paying into SS. So we need more taxpayers to pay for the future wave of "Useless Eaters" (a term used by H. Kissinger). That's the theory.

Why not set up a reverse migration of the future wave of Useless Eaters to Mexico where SS will buy a lot more than in the US.

I'm jesting. Don't think for a moment someone hasn't put pencil to paper with just this suggestion.

[longeyes]

Go South, Young Man! :D

[CAnnoneer]

Any way you look at it, illegal immigration is a bad thing, period. Yes, immigration is beneficial, but it should be legal and controlled. Otherwise, we will have increasingly nasty problems of social, economic, cultural, and political nature.

If left to its own devices, illegal immigration will balloon over time until the living conditions and wages of the illegals become comparable to what they are in their original countries, thereby removing any advantage to coming here. This only means pulling the US down into the Third World.

What I am particularly annoyed about is the state of secondary education in Cali. The taxpayers spend 50 billion dollars an year and it is still not enough. Why? Because many of the illegals and the poor have 5, maybe 7 kids per family. That's simply ridiculous. What kind of start in life will these kids have? More minimal-wage peons for MacDonalds and Wal-Mart, more proletariat for Whinestein and co.

Methinks Sacramento should have more free-condom programs rather than water the desert at highschool level.

[longeyes]

+1

from another Angeleno. There is no way we can keep up with the influx of kids from Mexico. How many schools is the taxpayer supposed to build? All of this is gold to the teachers, the school administrators, the welfare intermediators, and the construction companies, but a lose-lose proposition for the taxpayers. The average cost per pupil per year is at least $7,000, but we are supposed to just zip our lips about the size of the "newcomer" families? Absurd. This is an issue that will have to be talked about, regardless of the taboo. The math just doesn't add up.

[ChickenHawk]

+1

The worst part to me is that it has become politically incorrect to deal with illegal immigration now. Have you noticed they are no longer "Illegal Immigrants" but are now "Undocumented Immigrants" as if they just forgot to do the paperwork.

States are passing laws allowing Illegal Immigrants to get Driver's Licenses, their kids can attend schools, lots of other public assistance programs. Some are not allowed to ASK if they are in the country legally (as is the case with Texas schools).

Amazing. I guess Illegal doesn't mean Illegal any more.

I am 100% in favor of having a valid, legal way for people to come to our country and find work. But, illegal is supposed to mean illegal and those people should all be deported.

ChickenHawk

[Major Beer]

:)

ya i get yer drift guys - i am with you. i just do not understand *** the gov't's idea is as far as letting these people pour into our nation at the rate they are.

good thing i am not King - personally, i would give those folks 2 weeks to get the F%&K out of Dodge or it's Non Documented Worker Season. problem is - the Mexicans are a big part of the problem, but what about the damned Chi-Communists coming over in droves as well? hell we have illegals in hick town Ohio working farms up here - nobody seems to care since their employers are the township trustees that own all the farmland in my area. f#&Kers collect gov't checks and these people hire them for cash under the table and provide cheap housing for them - seriously - it's really pissing me off (sorry to vent)

personally, i am more afraid of my own damned wanna be Socialist Gov't than anything. the crap i had to go through just to build my house in a state lead by RHINOs (Ohio) (plus our corrupt local gov't) was bad enough. tack on this Eminent Domain crap, and i am ready to don the tin foil helmet. Ohio's republicrats are as bad as California's Democrats IMHO. they helped push me towards the Libertarian Party a long time ago.

once again, sorry to vent - just trying to understand the "benefit" of this bulls%^t.

[Fletchette]

How can Prop 200 still be hung up in court?!?

How come when gun control laws are passed, we have to wait 10 years for them to move through court, yet when Prop 200 is passed, it is immediately slapped with an injunction?

What the heck do the people have to do to have any say anymore?

[wingman]

[QUOTE]There is no way we can keep up with the influx of kids from Mexico. How many schools is the taxpayer supposed to build? All of this is gold to the teachers, the school administrators, the welfare intermediators, and the construction companies, but a lose-lose proposition for the taxpayers. Quote:


I have voiced this same opinion to our state leaders many will not answer
some tell me in private we would need to build one school per day to stay
even, no one can say where the money comes from, property tax will not
carry the burden in my state.
Importing poor educated people and exporting jobs at some point you must
hit a brick wall in quality of life perhaps then we/government will act. :(

[fourays2]

How can Prop 200 still be hung up in court?!?

How come when gun control laws are passed, we have to wait 10 years for them to move through court, yet when Prop 200 is passed, it is immediately slapped with an injunction?

What the heck do the people have to do to have any say anymore?


don't worry about that, janet and terry are surely going to get there comeupances next November. their legacy will be as an example to pols that you will listen when 60% of the population tells you to do something.

[Thin Black Line]

Flyboy wrote:
"If I can work 25 hours/week, and I get paid $50/week for my toil, and the local economy allows me to have an air-conditioned house, satellite TV, internet, good food, a car, and so forth on $40/week, am I not better off than somebody working 60 hours/week for $500 who's paying $1000/mo for a small studio apartment, and another $1000/mo for his utilities and food?"
-------------------

Where is this mystery land where you can work 25 hrs, earn $50, and
afford all the above items for $40? Surely, that's not in a LOCAL currency?
No way in Euroland or Japan.


Hawkeye:
You're dead on regarding how OTHER countries police their borders. Ours
are not. We've done more protecting Iraqi borders than we would ever be
allowed to do protecting American borders.

American citizens who give illegals jobs/money "off the books" are more to
blame than the illegals themselves. But, why should you expect your
fellow citizen to be loyal? How many of you are still buying foreign junk
at S-mart and buying your neighbor down the street right out of his/her
job in the process? At the same time they are doing the same thing to
you. Where is loyalty?

Can you find "100% Made in USA" labels on 50% of what you buy? No. How
about 25%. Probably not. 5%? Maybe. Most of what we bought, used,
and consumed was made in our own country only a couple generations
ago.

You're worried about borders of a country where less is being made by the
people for themselves than at any point in our history. How much longer can
this last before we implode?

Sorry, I'm in a bad mood...... :(

[longeyes]

"some tell me in private we would need to build one school per day to stay
even, no one can say where the money comes from, property tax will not
carry the burden in my state."

Given the current rate of inflow that sounds about right. Should be a bonanza for the usual suspects. That would mean the pols getting kickbacks, their cronies in the construction business, and, of course, the illegal aliens who will end up getting the construction jobs.

All of it paid for by Mr. and Mrs. Taxpayer. Funny, I don't remember hearing any thank yous from Vicente Fox for picking up the burden of educating his country's children.

It's only a matter of time before we have large numbers of kids on the loose who have no schools to go to. Then what? Gangs, anyone? Or do we listen to the compassion-obsessed who believe the moral thing is to bankrupt ourselves to take care of another nation's children? This is lunacy.

[longeyes]

"American citizens who give illegals jobs/money "off the books" are more to
blame than the illegals themselves. But, why should you expect your
fellow citizen to be loyal? How many of you are still buying foreign junk
at S-mart and buying your neighbor down the street right out of his/her
job in the process? At the same time they are doing the same thing to
you. Where is loyalty?"

Thin Black Line, your point is a good one, and I agree with it totally. What it addresses is the fact that America is about more than jobs, standard of living, doing business, and powerful corporations. It is about values, first and foremost political liberty and is comprised of those that place this FIRST. The Founding Fathers understood this, and although they were "pro-business" they didn't write capitalism, corporatism, or capitalism into the Constitution. Liberty and private property, not "stuff," not consumerism.

Dealing with the issue of ignorance of our basic values and non-allegiance to our fellow Americans is huge, but we must raise this in public forums. One of the problems with have with dealing with the entire immigration issue is the fact that we are absorbing millions of people who are here for only one reason: to get jobs, make money, and send some of them elsewhere. That, in my view, is NOT a valid reason to being in this country, illegally OR legally. If you don't understand and value political liberty you don't belong here. I'm tired of giving people a pass, either worker or employer, because "they're just trying to make a living." That's not good enough; it leads to exactly the kind of cultural schism that we are now experiencing and that threatens to rip this nation apart. America is not about consumerism; even when it was about productionism, it was really about energy and creativity and change more than "stuff." Yeah, it's really a spiritual problem, let's say it openly.

[The Real Hawkeye]

Can you find "100% Made in USA" labels on 50% of what you buy? No. How
about 25%. Probably not. 5%? Maybe. Most of what we bought, used,
and consumed was made in our own country only a couple generations
ago.That was before NAFTA etc. Back then we protected our industries with tariffs, as it is the duty of our elected officials to do. Today our elected officials think they are elected to protect the interests of the world community at large rather than those of Americans. That's the problem. That's why we need to support a third party rather than the Republicrats who are apparently controlled by those who want to eliminate our nation, and submerge its parts into a one world socialist police state government. Short of violent rebellion, I don't see any alternative but to decide on a third party and support it to the hilt.

[Waitone]

Hard, hard words from South Africa. Article was originally published in 2000. Emphasis added by poster.

http://www.manews.org/0105sawarning.html


A Warning for America
from South Africa
By Gemma Meyer

(Gemma Meyer is the pseudonym of a South African journalist. She and her husband, a former conservative member of parliament, still reside in South Africa.)

[P]eople used to say that South Africa was 20 years behind the rest of the Western world. Television, for example, came late to South Africa (but so did pornography and the gay rights movement).

Today, however, South Africa may be the grim model of the future Western world, for events in America reveal trends chillingly similar to those that destroyed our country.

America's structures are Western. Your Congress, your lobbying groups, your free speech, and the way ordinary Americans either get involved or ignore politics are peculiarly Western, not the way most of the world operates. But the fact that only about a third of Americans deem it important to vote is horrifying in light of how close you are to losing your Western character.

Writing letters to the press, manning stands at county fairs, hosting fund-raising dinners, attending rallies, setting up conferences, writing your Congressman - that is what you know, and what you are comfortable with. Those are the political methods you've created for yourselves to keep your country on track and to ensure political accountability.

But woe to you if - or more likely, when - the rules change. White Americans may soon find themselves unable or unwilling to stand up to challenge the new political methods that will be the inevitable result of the ethnic metamorphosis now taking place in America. Unable to cope with the new rules of the game - violence, mob riots, intimidation through accusations of racism, demands for proportionality based on racial numbers, and all the other social and political weapons used by the have-nots to bludgeon treasure and power from the haves - Americans, like others before them, will no doubt cave in. They will compromise away their independence and ultimately their way of life.

That is exactly what happened in South Africa. I know, because I was there and I saw it happen.

Faced with revolution in the streets, strikes, civil unrest and the sheer terror and murder practiced by Nelson Mandela's African National Congress (ANC), the white government simply capitulated in order to achieve "peace."

Westerners need peace. They need order and stability. They are builders and planners. But what we got was the peace of the grave for our society.

The Third World is different - different peoples with different pasts and different cultures. Yet Westerners continue to mistake the psychology of the Third World and its peoples. Sierra Leone and Zimbabwe are perfect examples of those mistakes. Sierra Leone is in perpetual civil war, and Zimbabwe - once the thriving, stable Rhodesia - is looting the very people (the white men) who feed the country. Yet Westerners do not admit that the same kind of savagery could come to America when enough immigrants of the right type assert themselves. The fact is, Americans are sitting ducks for Third World exploitation of the Western conscience of compassion.

Those in the West who forced South Africa to surrender to the ANC and its leaders did not consider Africa to be the dangerous, corrupt, and savage place it is now in Zimbabwe and South Africa. Those Western politicians now have a similar problem looming on their own doorsteps: the demand for power and treasure from the non-Western peoples inside the realm.

It is already too late for South Africa, but not for America if enough people strengthen their spine and take on the race terrorists, the armies of the "politically correct" and, most dangerous of all, the craven politicians who believe "compassionate conservatism" will buy them a few more votes, a few more days of peace.

White South Africans, you should remember, have been in that part of Africa for the same amount of time whites have inhabited North America; yet ultimately South Africans voted for their own suicide. We are not so very different from you.

We lost our country through skillful propaganda, pressure from abroad (not least from the U.S.A.), unrelenting charges of "oppression" and "racism," and the shrewd assessment by African tyrants that the white man has many Achilles' heels, the most significant of which are his compassion, his belief in the "equality of man," and his "love your neighbor" philosophy - none of which are part of the Third World's history.

The mainline churches played a big role in the demise of Western influence throughout Africa, too; especially in South Africa. Today's tyrants were yesterday's mission-school proteges. Many dictators in Africa were men of the cloth. They knew their clerical collars would deflect criticism and obfuscate their real aims, which had nothing whatever to do with the "brotherhood of man."

Other tyrants, like the infamous Idi Amin, were trained and schooled by the whites themselves, at Oxford, Cambridge, and Harvard. After receiving the best from the West, they unleashed a resentful bloodlust against their benefactors.

From what I have seen and read thus far, I fear Americans will capitulate just as we did. Americans are, generally, a soft lot. They don't want to quarrel or obstruct the claims of those who believe they were wronged. They like peace and quiet, and they want to compromise and be nice.

A television program that aired in South Africa showed a town meeting somewhere in Southern California where people met to complain about falling standards in the schools. Whites who politely spoke at the meeting clearly resented the influx of Mexican immigrants into their community. When a handful of Chicanos at the back of the hall shouted and waved their hands at them, the whites simply shrunk back into their seats rather than tell the noisemakers to shut up. They didn't want to quarrel.

In America, the courts are still the final arbiters of society's laws. But what will happen when your future majority refuses to abide by court rulings - as in Zimbabwe. What will happen when the new majority says the judges are racists, and that they refuse to acknowledge "white man's justice"? What will happen when the courts are filled with their people, or their sympathizers? In California, Proposition 187 has already been overturned.

What will you do when the future non-white majority decides to change the names of streets and cities? What will you do when they no longer want to use money that carries the portraits of old, dead white "racists" and slave owners? Will you cave in, like you did on flying the Confederate flag? What about the national anthem? Your official language?

Don't laugh. When the "majority" took over in South Africa, the first targets were our national symbols.

In another generation, America may well face what Africa is now experiencing - invasions of private land by the "have-nots;" the decline in health care quality; roads and buildings in disrepair; the banishment of your history from the education of the young; the revolutionization of your justice system.

In South Africa today, only 9 percent of murderers end up in jail. Court dockets are regularly purchased and simply disappear. Magistrates can be bribed as can the prison authorities, making escapes commonplace. Vehicle and airplane licenses are regularly purchased, and forged school and university certificates are routine.

What would you think of the ritual slaughter of animals in your neighbor's backyard? How do you clean up the blood and entrails that litter your suburban streets? How do you feel about the practice of witchcraft, in which the parts of young girls and boys are needed for "medicinal" purposes? How do you react to the burning of witches?

Don't laugh. All that is quite common in South Africa today.

Don't imagine that government officials caught with their fingers in the till will be punished. Excuses - like the need to overcome generations of white racism - will be found to exonerate the guilty.

In fact, known criminals will be voted into office because of a racial solidarity among the majority that doesn't exist among the whites. When Ian Smith of the old Rhodesia tried to stand up to the world, white South African politicians were among the Westerners pressuring him to surrender.

When Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe murders his political opponents, ignores unfavorable court decisions, terrorizes the population and siphons off millions from the state treasury for himself and his friends, South Africa's new President Thabo Mbeki holds his hand and declares his support. That just happened a few weeks ago.

Your tax dollars will go to those who don't earn and don't pay. In South Africa, organizations that used to have access to state funds such as old age homes, the arts, and veterans' services, are simply abandoned.

What will happen is that Western structures in America will be either destroyed from without, or transformed from within, used to suit the goals of the new rulers. And they will reign either through terror, as in Zimbabwe today, or exert other corrupt pressures to obtain, or buy votes. Once power is in the hands of aliens, don't expect loyalty or devotion to principle from those whose jobs are at stake. One of the most surprising and tragic components of the disaster in South Africa is how many previously anti-ANC whites simply moved to the other side.

Once you lose social, cultural, and political dominance, there is no getting it back again.

Unfortunately, your habits and values work against you. You cannot fight terror and street mobs with letters to your Congressmen. You cannot fight accusations of racism with prayer meetings. You cannot appeal to the goodness of your fellow man when the fellow man despises you for your weaknesses and hacks off the arms and legs of his political opponents.

To survive, Americans must never lose the power they now enjoy to people from alien cultures. Above all, don't put yourselves to the test of fighting only when your backs are against the wall. You will probably fail.

Millions around the world want your good life. But make no mistake: They care not for the high-minded ideals of Thomas Jefferson and George Washington, and your Constitution. What they want are your posessions, your power, and your status.

And they already know that their allies among you, the "human rights activists," the skillful lawyers and the left-wing politicians will fight for them, and not for you. They will exploit your compassion and your Christian charity, and your good will.

They have studied you, Mr. and Mrs. America, and they know your weaknesses well.

They know what to do.

Do you?

This article first appeared in the August 2000 edition of Middle American News. It is reprinted here in response to numerous requests.

[RealGun]

That's why we need to support a third party rather than the Republicrats who are apparently controlled by those who want to eliminate our nation, and submerge its parts into a one world socialist police state government. Short of violent rebellion, I don't see any alternative but to decide on a third party and support it to the hilt. - The Real Hawkeye

That's a fine way to marginalize the cognoscenti, removing them from meaningful participation. Now they can rub elbows with other elite thinkers and pretend they make a difference.

[wingman]

[QUOTE]Millions around the world want your good life. But make no mistake: They care not for the high-minded ideals of Thomas Jefferson and George Washington, and your Constitution. What they want are your posessions, your power, and your status.Quote:

For me this is clearly the fact, the question is will we (America) understand
this and act in time. :(

[longeyes]

Some of us will and do. The question is how many of us are there and what kind of power do have available to us?