Fugitive found dead.........


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PCGS65
September 24, 2005, 04:48 PM
After the gun battle the FBI doesn't know how he died?http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050924/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/puerto_rico_wells_fargo_robbery;_ylt=AhqEYoxCsARob38csIt4.wys0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3b2NibDltBHNlYwM3MTY- I know how he died. This ones a no brainer. A fine job by the FBI!!

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Gunpacker
September 24, 2005, 05:27 PM
Holdouts against the FBI usually die in fires caused by gas grenades or flares used so that they can see better. It is sometimes hard to determine if the person was shot to death before the fire reached him. No mention was made of fire here, but I wonder if that happened again.

CombatArmsUSAF
September 24, 2005, 05:28 PM
Ain't that a Beeyaatch!! Got what he deserved.

Car Knocker
September 24, 2005, 05:31 PM
Could be suicide. Makes for an instant martyr and better press than being hauled up on charges as a theif. Sounds like he had a lot of commitment to his cause.

denfoote
September 24, 2005, 09:49 PM
One man imprisoned in the case, Juan Segarra Palmer, was granted clemency by President Clinton in 1999.

Let's here it for Don Klintoon!!!!

Way to go FBI!!

Taurus 66
September 24, 2005, 11:12 PM
After the gun battle the FBI doesn't know how he died?

Please help me out here. Where does it say the FBI doesn't know how he died?

Hawkmoon
September 24, 2005, 11:20 PM
"Fugitive found dead"

Excuse my pedantry, but somehow the title of this thread creates the expectation of an article saying that the person died of unknown causes, or perhaps something natural like disease or a heart attack, and someone accidently discovered the body in his apartment.

Imagine my surprise to find an article describing a fairly run-of-the-mill shootout between a wanted fugitive and authorities. Not what the title suggests at all.

I also saw nothing suggesting that the FBI claimed not to know how he died. Sounded to me a lot like they think they may have shot him.

Andrew Rothman
September 25, 2005, 02:28 AM
I think the story was updated after the original post, as the lead paragraph is now:

HORMIGUEROS, Puerto Rico - A Puerto Rican nationalist wanted in a 1983 robbery of an armored truck in Connecticut was shot and killed by FBI agents in a shootout, ending the fugitive's 15 years on the run, the bureau said Saturday.

That's pretty clear. :)

PCGS65
September 25, 2005, 07:08 AM
Taurus66 they must have up dated the story as I was copying and pasting it. When I read it, it did say the FBI didn't know how he died. That was the sole reason I made a thread of it. Anyway way to go FBI!!

Werewolf
September 25, 2005, 09:59 AM
The FBI earlier this year increased a reward for information leading to Ojeda Rios' capture from $500,000 to $1 million. Must have been a really dangerous guy - huh? I mean - afterall - a member of an organization fighting for the independence of Puerto Rico that's been inactive for a decade and himself a fugitive for over 15 years.

MY GAWD! I cannot imagine a more dire threat to the US.

I am amazed at the attitude towards this guy expressed by some of the posters here. The man wanted independence for Puerto Rico. How is he any different from our ancestors who fought against England to earn their independence?

OH - yeah, right, - I know - they won - he lost. Losing a fight for freedom makes one a criminal I guess.

Still I believe the guy deserves a bit more respect for his actions than he seems to be getting here.

mattman the gun fan
September 25, 2005, 11:17 AM
Point being they got the guy,hes dead and no one has to worry about him robbing armoured trucks anymore :D

Sam
September 25, 2005, 11:25 AM
Bad enough that they were looking for this bozo after fifteen years. The real news is that we still have not managed to completely put down an insurrection on US soil after more than 100 years. That is unconsionable

Sam

Dannyboy
September 25, 2005, 01:08 PM
I am amazed at the attitude towards this guy expressed by some of the posters here. The man wanted independence for Puerto Rico. How is he any different from our ancestors who fought against England to earn their independence?
If he had committed the crime in PR, you would have a valid point. As it is, he robbed an armored car in the US, so that just makes him a common criminal.
Still I believe the guy deserves a bit more respect for his actions than he seems to be getting here.
Well, yeah, because armed robbery isn't a real crime, right?

Hawkmoon
September 25, 2005, 04:55 PM
I am amazed at the attitude towards this guy expressed by some of the posters here. The man wanted independence for Puerto Rico. How is he any different from our ancestors who fought against England to earn their independence?

OH - yeah, right, - I know - they won - he lost. Losing a fight for freedom makes one a criminal I guess.

Still I believe the guy deserves a bit more respect for his actions than he seems to be getting here.
He not only robbed an armored car in the U.S., he as a result put a lot of people out of work, because the company's customers deserted in mass numbers and the armored car company went bust within a few months after the robbery. This was not just a patriotic guy standing on street corners making patriotic speeches. This was a rather un-nice person.

Byron Quick
September 25, 2005, 05:16 PM
OH - yeah, right, - I know - they won - he lost. Losing a fight for freedom makes one a criminal I guess.


Puerto Ricans can engage in a legitimate democratic process. They have had several referendum on statehood versus remaining a US Commonwealth. The supporters of statehood lost these referendums. The Independence Movement in Puerto Rico has such a small number of backers that it has virtually no political significance.

If a vote for independence would be ignored by the US, then your view would be pertinent. However, that is not the case. Yes, he was a fighter for Puerto Rican Independence. The fact remains that he resorted to crime and violence not when he was barred from the political process but when his fellow Puerto Ricans would not follow him on the road to independence.

Typo corrected.

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