Glock 20 Cracking?


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FAT PAT
September 28, 2005, 05:18 PM
This morining I went to a local gunshop to check to see if they had a Glock 20 in stock.They didn't,i started to talk to the salesperson and he was saying that the 10mm wasn't good to shoot because it cracks and breaks the pistol.I've never heard of this occuring and was wondering if anyone knew anything about this.I would like to find out as much as I can before I go and buy.

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PressCheck
September 28, 2005, 05:26 PM
Bull *****.

denfoote
September 28, 2005, 05:38 PM
http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=427873

:scrutiny: :what: ;)

SouthpawShootr
September 28, 2005, 05:59 PM
One documented instance and that was with a OD frame :barf: G29

The G20 has been around for a long time and 10mm fans definitely shoot their guns. I'd say the G20 has a good track record. Buy one if you want it. I did.

Double Maduro
September 28, 2005, 06:14 PM
A couple of good quotes from the thread at Glocktalk,

From "The Habit"

It may be cracked but I'd be willing to bet your life on it.

and from "Rinspeed"


quote:
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Originally posted by NIB
Bull....



Glocks never break!! I read it right here on Glock Talk!!!








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That's right Glocks never break. You must have been limp wristing


LOL, those Glocksters are a hoot.

DM

Pistol Toter
September 28, 2005, 06:18 PM
I shot a friends G20, best, sweetest shooting gun! Deadly accurate, plenty of power, milder than a .357. I bought the G21, but someday will have a G20. I would not worry about it cracking. Buy it it you want it.

HighVelocity
September 28, 2005, 06:20 PM
Thousands of rounds through my 2nd gen G20 and about 1500 rounds so far through my 3rd gen and not a single hiccup, no cracks in the frame either.

Kruzr
September 28, 2005, 06:44 PM
Our range rental G21 broke one of the plastic rails with the little metal inserts at the back of the frame completely off. It was in service about 4 years. We have had G17's and 19's crack their slides at the bottom of the rear slide serrations. Yes, like any other gun, Glocks can break but they hold up better than most. (And I'm not a Glock fan, I hate shooting them.)

cslinger
September 28, 2005, 06:50 PM
Come on now guys guns break, all of them. It happens. I haven't heard of high pressure round Glocks cracking or breaking en-mass though.

Let's see.
SIG P226 frames crack
Glocks blow up.
HK has runs of brittle steel
Ruger polymer frames shatter when dropped
Smith 686+s go out of time easily
1911s........well they just plain don't work :evil:
etc.
etc.
etc.

That frame crack had to have been an anomoly. I don't like Glocks nor am I a 10mm guy but I don't think that I would be swayed away from buying one.

You will find something wrong with all of them as they all push out a lemon from time to time but in my experience as long as you do a bit of research and buy from quality manufacturers you will more than likely get yourself a very long lasting tool.

Chris

Dionysusigma
September 28, 2005, 07:02 PM
Let's not forget that Colts rust, too... :uhoh: :rolleyes: :D

Braden
September 28, 2005, 07:04 PM
I like Glocks a lot, but I would say the following even if I did not. If this were a widespread problem then I would be extremely concerned. I believe, however, that this sort of thing is not the norm for Glocks or for any other firearms. When it happens it's bad, but sometimes things just happen. I've got a Glock 22 strapped to my side right now and after reading that entire thread I haven't lost even an inkling of confidence in it. If you want a G20 then I'd get one and shoot the heck out of it. It will serve you well. :)

NMshooter
September 28, 2005, 07:24 PM
You should have asked them about the Colt Delta Elite or the S&W 1006... :evil:

G20 is the best 10mm currently available.

Had one for years, well over 10K rounds through it, nary a problem.

Too expensive for me to feed though.

I would recommend you take up reloading if you intend to shoot this cartridge a lot.

3rdpig
September 28, 2005, 07:34 PM
If you don't know it by now, you NEVER listen to any of the BS you hear at gun stores. Oh, you can listen to it, but only so you can report it back here and we can all laugh at it. Gun stores are about the worst place to get quality gun info. I've heard more stupid things about guns at gun stores than I have from Sarah Brady.

Rockstar
September 28, 2005, 10:47 PM
As I've seen in other threads, "If the guy behind the counter at the gun store were as smart as you, he'd be on your side of the counter." No truer words were ever sung.

JohnKSa
September 28, 2005, 10:55 PM
There were some durability issues with 10mm pistols when the 10mm first came out.

The Glock 20 was one of the pistols noted for not experiencing such problems.

MachIVshooter
September 28, 2005, 11:14 PM
You should have asked them about the Colt Delta Elite or the S&W 1006...

Nothing wrong with the 1006. Probably the most durable 10mm ever built. I have run hordes of ungodly hot ammo through mine with no ill effects. As to the Delta's, I was informed by a couple of different 'smiths that the problems came when the link pins eventually broke and guys replaced them with tool steel. That's when the frames started cracking. That "fix" would be about as smart as making the u-joints stronger than the drive shaft in your race car :rolleyes:. Some parts are designed to be failure points for a reason (cheap, easy to replace, etc.).

The Glock 20 is a fine pistol (if you like Glocks, that is :barf: )

duncan
September 29, 2005, 12:44 AM
FAT PAT:This morining I went to a local gunshop to check to see if they had a Glock 20 in stock.They didn't,i started to talk to the salesperson and he was saying that the 10mm wasn't good to shoot because it cracks and breaks the pistol.I've never heard of this occuring and was wondering if anyone knew anything about this.I would like to find out as much as I can before I go and buy.

Funny but you asked about a gun they didn't have and all of a sudden, that gun has a problem with cracking.

Too many wanna be's work in gun stores. Sell the rest of us nice P7s, P210s, Kimber 1911s and what do they own, maybe a beat up ole first gen G17 or a 380 Mak :cuss:

And a lot of them don't know squat about the newer rounds like 10mm, 357 sig, or .500 SW.

defnote sure nuf did find one post on a cracked G29. But over the past almost 10 years, I cannot recall of any problems with the G20 or the G29 and they have more than 100K glocksters over there.

Any gun under a overloaded round with kaboom or crack the slide or frame - happens to 1911s, Glocks, Sigs, etc - seen the pictures.

It's not a problem at all. If it was, why are the U.S. Marshals, the FBI, U.S. Customs still carrying that frame cracking round.

Remember the 1983 Miami shootout? The FBI sponsored the development of the 10mm round from that great loss. Now the first loadings with the FBI and SW and the 1075 autoloader may have cracked some frames - but almost ever new round busts some guns. Part of the development and refinement of the caliber.

These agencies can't be carrying these frame cracking rounds:

http://home.earthlink.net/~gnappi/10user.htm

Good 10mm info site for you.

Funny but with tons of gun mags and knowledgeable people around, you'd think people would have a better handle generally. :barf:

Double Maduro
September 29, 2005, 01:47 AM
duncan,

I believe the FBI quit issuing 10mm in 1992, and issues .40's now.

Some one will correct me if I am wrong, lol.


DM

Moonclip
September 29, 2005, 02:12 AM
Like Kruzr, I've seen Glocks crack slides but I've also seen it happen with other guns too. Funny though, when I mentioned it to a Glock rep, she got real defensive and blamed it on reloads, ect.

Gee, how come a Ruger with a comparable round count and the same reloads never cracked :rolleyes:

Also, I'm also curious if any 10mms are still carried by the FBI. And also, the FBI Miami shooting was in 1986, not 1983.

triggertime
September 29, 2005, 03:17 AM
Some things to think about... The cracked G29 frame most likely occured from shooting questionable reloads. Or more specifically, it most likely occured due to shooting questionably hot reloads with the stock recoil spring. So don't let that stop you from buying one.

If my current production Glock 20 cracks, I'll let you know. I plan on shooting the hell out of it.

Dionysusigma
September 29, 2005, 02:58 PM
As I've seen in other threads, "If the guy behind the counter at the gun store were as smart as you, he'd be on your side of the counter." No truer words were ever sung.

Hey, now. :uhoh:

duncan
September 29, 2005, 03:38 PM
When an agency "issues" sidearms, they give their agents/officers weapons from the most recent handgun contract.

Glock has many of those contracts and most of the FBI agents I see are toting Glock 23s and some with Glock 22s.

On the other hand, many of these federal LEAs are allowed to carry approved sidearms.

The SW 1076 10mm semi-auto is very popular with the agents who have been around for a while as a badge of courage and firearms proficiency. So near Quantico, you'll see the 10mm fans at the Agency.

Remember, it's a feat to train some of these accountants, attorneys, and chemists to shoot anything let alone a 10mm full-sized gun with defense rounds.

Some of the agents are carrying the SW 1076 - for sure. Probably the Glock 20 and 29 too. I know several DEA guys that just love the G30 and G29s.

Moonclip
September 29, 2005, 07:10 PM
Neat, glad to see some 10's in FBI service still. I though the Glock 23 was an actual issue piece though. Does the FBI pay for the duty weapon? Or is it like a NYPD type duty gun situation?

Also, doesn't the FBI use a downloaded 10mm load for issue, something with comparable 40S&W ballistics? Are hot 10mms allowed for special issue, kind of like in the old days when 38spl was carried in 357mag revolvers, but the option of full power 357mag was there?

IIRC, one of the agents at Miami actually had his Mod 66 snub stoked with Win silvertip 357mag and not the 38spl "FBI load".

agtman
September 29, 2005, 09:16 PM
The Glock 20 is a great 10mm autoloader. Frame cracking, if it ever happened, is a rarity. Mine's run through thousands of upper midrange and hot 10mm loads with no cracking or melt-downs whatsoever. If something does break, Glock will fix it.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-12/73942/agtman_g20.jpg


Ditto what Duncan said on the continued use of the 10mm AUTO in LE - including, specifically, the S&W 1076.

Various errornet posters like to assert that "nobody" in LE today carries a 10mm, but that just identifies them as being either sadly misinformed or a bonafide 10mm-hater.

While the Bureau initially developed what became sarcastically known as the "FBI-Lite" 10mm load - a 180gn JHP @ 950fps ( :barf: ) - many field agents desired something hotter. So additional thought was given to developing a second 10mm load with more velocity, one that agents could still qualify with and that would be suitable for tactical use in the Bureau's 10mm HK subguns.

This led Federal to produce a 10mm "X" load for the FBI (product # XM1003A). It's a 190gn bonded JHP @ 1050-1090fps - the fps spread depends on whose chronograph stats you're looking at. (Velocity will obviously be higher from the longer barrel of a 10mm subgun or carbine).

Ammoman.com used to sell cases of this 190gn 10mm load.

Having shot an extensive amount of Federal's 190gn ammo in my G20, I can tell you that it's an extremely accurate load. Felt-recoil is negligible, for a very low mid-range 10mm load anyway.

gunfan
September 30, 2005, 12:16 AM
Dont sweat the "small stuff" (and the odds of the Glock 20's frame cracking is so small that I bought one without giving it a second thought!)

The rumors, if there are any, are pure "bovine excrement."

Buy with confidence!

Scott

gopguy
September 30, 2005, 09:50 AM
Quote

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Let's see.
SIG P226 frames crack
Glocks blow up.
HK has runs of brittle steel
Ruger polymer frames shatter when dropped
Smith 686+s go out of time easily
1911s........well they just plain don't work
etc.
etc.
etc." and "Let's not forget that Colts rust, too."

That does it I am giving up on guns as they are all defective. Back to throwing rocks :evil:

Seriously the gun I hear having the most problems with the 10mm rounds are the early Colt Delta Elite.

atblis
September 30, 2005, 09:55 AM
I still own Witnesses in 10mm.

I've also had gun stores give me the "Those have a habit of..." or "we used to sell those but..." when ever I ask for something that is not in their case. I wonder why they would say something like that?

Rockstar
September 30, 2005, 01:05 PM
Ever wonder why there's no "Gun Shop" major in college? :cool:

duncan
September 30, 2005, 04:36 PM
They barely graduate from high school :neener:

duncan
September 30, 2005, 04:43 PM
The firepower, penetration, and hard-hitting potential of a 10mm MP5 is greater than a .45 ACP Thompson submachine gun. At any range, the projectile fired from a 10mm MP5 has nearly twice the energy of a comparable 9mm, .40 S&W, or .45 ACP cartridge. In 1994, the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) adopted the MP5/10 as their new submachine gun.

FBI still using 10mm - think so! But I did notice that HK is not listing the 10mm version any longer.

http://ricispage.8m.com/Hecler&koch.html

10mm baby!

http://ricispage.8m.com/hekler%20mp510a3_sm.jpg

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