Whats a Lama?


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JDGray
September 29, 2005, 01:35 PM
Anyone know what a lama is? .45ACP ,any know reliability of this company?

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shermacman
September 29, 2005, 01:41 PM
Search here at The High Road.
Then go here:
http://www.bersa-llama.com/

Steelharp
September 29, 2005, 02:10 PM
A good Llama is a four legged animal.

A bad Llama is a firearm... sorta... :p

Flashpoint
September 29, 2005, 02:18 PM
Here's a link (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/llama.php) that might answer your question.

Shear_stress
September 29, 2005, 02:21 PM
He asked what a Lama was, not a llama. A Lama is a buddhist spiritual leader.

A llama is a magical South American cameloid that, when capitalized, transforms into an inexpensive Spanish pistol no longer in production.

LHB1
September 29, 2005, 02:21 PM
Steelharp,
No, a bad Llama is a paperweight. :D

(Sorry, just couldn't resist being a wisenhammer today.)

Good shooting and be safe.
LB

Cosmoline
September 29, 2005, 02:26 PM
Which one? The specially trained Ecuadorian Mountain llamas, Venezuelan Red Llamas, Mexican Whooping Llamas, North Chilean Guanacos (closely related to the llama), Reg Llama of Brixton, or Battery Llamas from 'Llama Fresh Farms Ltd' near Paraguay?

dasmi
September 29, 2005, 02:28 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llama
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b8/Llamas.jpg/200px-Llamas.jpg
http://bersa-llama.com/llama_about.html
http://bersa-llama.com/img/guns/maxi45_govmat_lg.gif

Shootcraps
September 29, 2005, 02:34 PM
"So I jump ship in Hong Kong, and make my way over to Tibet and get on as a looper on a course over there."

"A looper?"

"Yeah, a looper. Caddy. Jock. A looper."

"So I go out and who do you think they give me? The Dali Lama himself. The flowing robes, the grace, bald. Striking."

:evil:

nbkky71
September 29, 2005, 02:39 PM
"So I jump ship in Hong Kong, and make my way over to Tibet and get on as a looper on a course over there."
"A looper?"
"Yeah, a looper. Caddy. Jock. A looper."
"So I go out and who do you think they give me? The Dali Lama himself. The flowing robes, the grace, bald. Striking."

Goongala...goonga goongala goongala ;)

Mad Magyar
September 29, 2005, 02:43 PM
FYI, Mickey Fowler, Bianchi Cup champs for many years in the 1980's fired this Llama .45 in many selected matches. I've found that all the Llama bashers are those stuck with "jamomatic" expensive pistols lashing out at us poor guys...Lot of them use their "Sophomoric humor' posting pictures of these "lovely animals" or saying such things as, "a Llama pistol is on the low rung of the food chain, or You Get What You Pay for, etc..". All BS. These are good pistols. Take a look at the ventilated rib, ala Colt Python. I rather have a Spanish made pistol than some of the Philippine and Brazilian rejects, "Chas. Daly, Rock River, Taurus, [B]et al[/B
Llama 001.jpg

shermacman
September 29, 2005, 02:51 PM
OK, flashpoint.
Just what were you doing when you came across that site?!?!?!? :D

Cosmoline
September 29, 2005, 02:52 PM
I've heard that the Llama pistol isn't a true 1911--is this correct?

slopemeno
September 29, 2005, 03:21 PM
"There will be no money.....but on your deathbed, you will have total consciousness...." So I got that goin' for me.. Which is nice.

MICHAEL T
September 29, 2005, 04:22 PM
I've heard that the Llama pistol isn't a true 1911--is this correct?

Yes thats correct but then neither a Kimber or a Springfield . A true 1911 is a Colt. The Llama will interchange parts with other 1911 More parts than people like to give credit for. They were a good pistol if you were to take a little time to polish up a few parts. People Fluff and Buff Kel Tec all the time and claim greastest little gun ever made. But if they needed to do same to a Llama Worst POS I ever owned trash . Both guns cost about the same and had same QC. I own a nice 10 +1 compact 45 thats is dependable enough for carry. Today I got rid of a 45 and it wasn't the Llama but a Para Ordanace. It was also the 10 +1 compact that the Llama is a clone of. Guess which one worked better.

Brad Johnson
September 29, 2005, 04:30 PM
What is a Llama? Why, it's....

MONTY PYTHON'S FLYING CIRCUS!


Executive Producer
JOHN GOLDSTONE & "RALPH" The Wonder Llama

----------------------------------------------------------------

Producer
MARK FORSTATER

Assisted By
EARL J. LLAMA
MILT Q. LLAMA III
SY LLAMA
MERLE Z. LLAMA IX

----------------------------------------------------------------

Directed By

40 SPECIALLY TRAINED
ECUADORIAN MOUNTAIN LLAMAS

6 VENEZUELAN RED LLAMAS

142 MEXICAN WHOOPING LLAMAS

14 NORTH CHILEAN GUANACOS
(CLOSELY RELATED TO THE LLAMA)

REG LLAMA OF BRIXTON

76000 BATTERY LLAMAS
FROM "LLAMA-FRESH" FARMS LTD. NEAR PARAGUAY

and

TERRY GILLIAM & TERRY JONES


And now, for something completely different....

Dionysusigma
September 29, 2005, 04:44 PM
:rolleyes: :D

kframe357
September 29, 2005, 04:57 PM
:cuss: I own a Llama MAX-I (the 1911 clone which you speak of). I have never had any problems with loading or jamming. It eats anything I put in it (more goat than Llama....lol). Accurate enough for the plinking and SD.

Dr.Rob
September 29, 2005, 05:58 PM
Its an ungulate isn't it?

http://www.gunsamerica.com/guns/976426923.htm

Always thought that Omni was slick looking.

Pietro Beretta
September 29, 2005, 06:05 PM
A true 1911 is a Colt
/Agree

Thats why for my first 1911, I am going with a Colt! :D

oweno
September 29, 2005, 06:51 PM
A one "L" lama is a priest,
A two "L" llama is a beast,
But I will bet a pink pajama.
That you've never seen a three "L" arma.

Shootcraps
September 29, 2005, 06:55 PM
Kidding aside, the Llama is a 45 that somewhat resembles the 1911. Many years ago, it was my first 45 and it worked pretty well. I don't think it's a clone at all because there are too many differences. As I recall, mine worked very well and I didn't have any issues with it.

If you can get one for $200 or so in good shape it would make a good plinker or car gun.

I believe the company was bought or went out of business. They had a newer model, the MAX-1 or something like that but I don't know anything about it.


p.s. Mrs. Crane, I'm watching you. You wore green so you could hide. I don't blame you, you're such a tramp!

Moonclip
September 29, 2005, 07:30 PM
Llama actually means flame en Espanol. Look at the emblem, it is not an animal, but a torch.

Llama is hit or miss but I tend to like some and I casually collect Spanish guns. I have a Colt Commander clone in 9x19 by them, very accurate and reliable, but only with ball.

Will not even feed standard Rem jhp. I have a more modern Llama mircromax 380acp Colt Gov't 380 clone. Works flawlessly with all ammo. Gunshop I knew said they actually had more problems with the similar Colts.

Sadly, Llama seems to have bit the dust, the last of the Spanish handgun manufacturers it seems.

JMag
September 29, 2005, 08:44 PM
Moonclip, you beat me to it; Llama means flame, not the animal folks. I hear they are no more as well.

9mmhpfan
September 29, 2005, 10:23 PM
I have read good and bad reviews both in magazines and online about llama handguns but I have never owned one so I cannot make an informed opinion on one.

Here is a link which might help your question http://www.thearmedcitizen.com/gunpages/llamasub.htm

They make some valid points on this argument

chopinbloc
September 30, 2005, 06:59 AM
i am not a gun snob; i like anything that does what it was intended to. unfortunately, the only experience i've had with llama was a jam 'o matic mini max. the small frame is particularly difficult to get to run right so take it for what it's worth but the darn thing was consistently unreliable. too bad i couldn't get it running right, that is a very convenient size for a carry pistol. it just felt so right in the hand i had to get it.

Mad Magyar
September 30, 2005, 07:16 AM
Feel bad for your experience chopinbloc. Since I've only fired 230gr FMJ with my IXA .45, not sure if it would be as reliable w/ JHP's. But to be honest, I've had failure to feeds w/my 1911A1 Sistema (Colt contractual pistol) using anything other than FMJ.
9mmhpfan, the link you suggested was good..I think their assessment was fair and balanced. I especially appreciated the note that average shooters don't have to run to the gunsmith for professional enhancements, aka; trigger jobs, etc...One last point, I'm out on the firing range weekly and I know the problems that others are having w/their pistols, some very expensive. Maybe it is a "crap shoot".

Ash
September 30, 2005, 08:51 AM
I had an IXC with 13 round double stack magazine. It was my first decent handgun, replacing my Bryco 9mm. It actually was very reliable and I bought it because my grandfather had had a Llama for many, many years. A WWII combat engineer, he had used that Llama all my life and liked it very much, so I bought one. As I said, it was very reliable (never failed in any way) but not at all accurate. I couldn't hit anything with it. I used it as a truck gun for short distance emergency work and could hit man sized targets as close range. However, it was no target pistol. It was only marginally more accurate than a smooth bore musket, I imagine!

I replaced it with an FEG GKK .45, which was actually a decent pistol all around. Good accuracy, good reliability, but very expensive single stack magazines. It was replaced by a Witness, which I have now had for 8 years and don't plan on replacing.

Ash

Ash
September 30, 2005, 08:52 AM
Oh, and MM, are you an Insane Austrian?

Ash

JDGray
September 30, 2005, 09:22 AM
Thanks for all the info (jokes). The man already traded it for a goat! Wanted to much for it anyways. JDGray

redloki
September 30, 2005, 06:33 PM
My first 1911 was a Llama. I traded my dealer a Mak90, he gave me the Llama and a $100.00. I had it jam on me a few of times till I polished the feed ramp and then I never had a problem. It would eat anything I put in it. I could easily hit a 3lb coffee can at 100yds almost every time once I figured out my bullet drop with my ammo of the day. This is something I have a hard time doing with my $1000.00 Kimber. I wish I had never sold that pistol.

Mad Magyar
September 30, 2005, 09:59 PM
Ash, further East...Your remarkable FEG .45 is the clue, and don't tell me that it was a "piece of junk"...

Ash
October 1, 2005, 07:02 AM
Ah yes. In WWI, whilst speaking of Huns, the Magyars were also brought up. Austro-Hungarians. The Austrians I had assumed to be the Magyars, however, they would more likely to have been Huns in the view of the English, so Hungarians makes more sense. Does that make the Finns and Estonians of Magyar descent as well?

As to FEG, I said the GKK was a decent pistol all around. My only complaint had been the expensive single stack magazines. Folks called it a double action Browning Hi Power, but that was bunk. It was a loose copy of a Smith and Wesson model 39 if ever there was one. I think the fact that FEG made the GP-35 copy and the GKK had the same indented slide at the muzzle that caused the comparisons.

"I replaced it with an FEG GKK .45, which was actually a decent pistol all around. Good accuracy, good reliability, but very expensive single stack magazines."

Ash

deputy tom
October 1, 2005, 08:43 PM
Back when I was a very young poor newly-wed I had a LLama .45.It needed a little tuning up to work properly but it did wind up shooting very well.I have spent thousands of dollars since then and only wished I had quit after the first glock(12),and the first kel-tec(6).It would have saved me thousands$$ more.At least with that cheap Llama I could hit the target every time and with a tight group too.Not a flame war to the plastic people just my situation.YMMV.tom. :cool:

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