People who hangout at gun shops.


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Molon Labe
September 29, 2005, 07:42 PM
Seems like every time I go in a gun shop there are a couple guys "hanging out." They're usually talking it up with the guy behind the counter, shoot'n the bull, etc. With the exception of being on the receiving end of occasional unsolicited (and bad) advice, I have never had a problem with these folks. But I do have a few questions for THR members:

1. Have you ever been one of these guys who habitually "hangs out" at a gun shop?

2. If you work at a gun shop, do the guys who hangout at your shop annoy you?

3. As a gun shop customer, do the guys who hangout at the shop annoy you?

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WayneConrad
September 29, 2005, 07:54 PM
If I see Bob working the counter, I will stop and chat with him if he's not busy. Actually, he usually flags me down even if he is busy. Nice guy, Bob. He sold me my first gun. I've been known to talk for half an hour before he has to get back to work.

Is that hanging out?

Edited to add: Sorry, I forgot to answer the questions. 1. No, 2. N/A, 3. No.

Chipperman
September 29, 2005, 07:57 PM
1. I have been that guy at the range gun shop. Doesn't really count the same, since it's an indoor range also. I was always there to shoot, not just talk.

2. N/A

3. Yes. Some are very cool, some are arrogant know-it-all's who usually know nothing. The problem I have is more how the owner of the shop interacts with customers while the groupies are there. Some gun shop owners will ignore customers to continue talking with the groupies. That is very annoying, especially when you practically have to wave a wad of cash in their face to get them to sell you a gun.

KaceCoyote
September 29, 2005, 08:01 PM
Wheres Spiffity doo da?

spacemanspiff
September 29, 2005, 08:04 PM
1. Have you ever been one of these guys who habitually "hangs out" at a gun shop?
yes, eventually the shop decided to put me on payroll and use my talents instead of letting me lounge around fondling guns. the jokes on them though! i have no talents!

2. If you work at a gun shop, do the guys who hangout at your shop annoy you?
now that i work there, it really doesnt bother me. the guys who come hang out are super cool and we wind up sitting around eating pizza and telling crude jokes.

3. As a gun shop customer, do the guys who hangout at the shop annoy you?
only when they offer bad advice.

edit - my fat fingers arent fast enough kace! :neener:

TonkinTwentyMil
September 29, 2005, 08:08 PM
... is kinda fuzzy, but i think your point is an interesting one.

Too many gunshops beget bad reps for poor/hostile Customer Service because of claques of some Hangers-On. That's not good for expanding the universe of gun-owners and 2A advocates.

OTOH, I've seen some Hangers-On who actually helped newcomer type customers with friendly-and-informative advice.

At one gunshop where I was a frequent customer (a semi-Hanger-On) this actually happened:

While I was pondering a new purchase with the shop's owner near closing-time, a couple of pretty rough Gang-Banger types entered... and began carousing about, but not asking any questions, The owner quietly passed me a loaded .357 and asked me to take a position over in the corner. I did... thus putting the bad dudes in a cross-fire. They took the hint, and split.

That wouldn't have happened if I wasn't a trusted Hanger-On to the Owner.
Result: probable robbery thwarted.

Average Joe
September 29, 2005, 08:14 PM
1. No 2. n/a 3. yes

Mannlicher
September 29, 2005, 08:14 PM
the questions asked, and my answers

1. Have you ever been one of these guys who habitually "hangs out" at a gun shop?

yep, frequently

2. If you work at a gun shop, do the guys who hangout at your shop annoy you?

Been there. some did, some did not.

3. As a gun shop customer, do the guys who hangout at the shop annoy you?

Not a the shop I hang out in. :)

AF_INT1N0
September 29, 2005, 08:24 PM
No techinically not a gun shop hanger outer.. However my G/f would probably disagree with me.

n/a

No most gun shop hanger outers don't bother me. On the contrary our main GSHO will gladly help others out when my gun shop owners get too busy.

As a matter of fact most of the GSHOs in my local shop are the helpful kind.

Jim K
September 29, 2005, 08:38 PM
I have considered writing a book on the stuff I heard while working at gun shops, and later as a customer/hanger on.

Did you know:

The noise of a gun is made when the air rushes back into the barrel after the bullet comes out.

The head [bullet] comes out the end of the barrel because the shooting thingie hits the back end of the shell so hard.

Bullets go up after they leave the barrel, even if the barrel is pointing down.

Short guns [shot guns] are illegal because they shoot a lot of bullets.

A .45 caliber bullet won't penetrate a silk handkerchief, but a .22 will.

A .22 has just half the power of a .44.

German WWII rifles used the same ammunition as the Garand and even used Garand clips.

Machineguns are not as loud as rifles because they just go "putt-putt", not "bang".

Japanese WWII rifles were no more powerful than a kid's .22.

Yes, it is truly amazing all the good info you learn from listening to the customers.

Jim

Wastemore
September 29, 2005, 08:40 PM
Spacemanspiff,
that is exactly how it went down for me. Purchased lots of firearms, they needed a part timer and I'm semi-retired and have tons of time.JNow I'm like a kid in a candy store.

I used to go in and talk to Jerry from time to time, didn't seem to bother him, made a good friend out of it.

I have guys that come in and yap all day long, I don't mind it a bit.

As a customer it doesn't much bother me when people hang out as long as I'm not ignored when I need some service.

Matthew748
September 29, 2005, 08:53 PM
1. I don't hang out at gun shops. Sometimes I go to browse, and I am not adverse to striking up a conversation, but thats about it.

2. NA

3. Folks that hang out at gun shops do not bother me. Sometimes you get good advice, sometimes you hear bad advice, and sometimes you hear tales so off the wall they are laughable.

Spreadfire Arms
September 29, 2005, 09:14 PM
1. Have you ever been one of these guys who habitually "hangs out" at a gun shop?
before i became a gun dealer, yes, i was probably one of those guys, but not at a specific shop, but probably at all shops within driving distance. i don't necessarily think that's wrong so long as you are not in the way.

2. If you work at a gun shop, do the guys who hangout at your shop annoy you?
no, so long as they are polite, not only to me but to others who come by, and don't force their opinion down others' throats. also if they don't try to help make a sale, then expect some compensation or credit from the gun shop for helping to "make" a sale. i have had guys at gun shows in the past tell me they were responsible for helping me sell several AR-15's, pistols, stripped lower receivers, etc. the way one guy was talking he should have been employee of the month, but he doesn't even work for me?

3. As a gun shop customer, do the guys who hangout at the shop annoy you?
yes and no. it depends on what happens really. some gun shop bar flies can be annoying. i go by one place locally every now and then and there is an old guy who i've never seen buy anything from that store. he goes there, drinks their coffee, follows me around the shop, and then asks me for free schwag that i got from some LE agency, SHOT show, etc. he says its for his grandkids. i dont mind giving something to give his grandkids every now and then, but every time i see him he's always hitting me up for something, some LE agency baseball cap, some gun manufacturer's pins, patches, etc. he's a nice guy so i don't ever tell him to buzz off, lately i've been telling him i dont have any to offer him and apologize. i don't think he means to bug me, he just does because he asks for free stuff all the time. most of the gun shop barflies dont bother me, some are actually pretty smart and knowledgeable about certain things so you never know what good info they have. sometimes you run into a guy who talks about stuff he doesn't really know, but oh well, that's at every gun show, shooting range, and gun shop in America, just let it roll off your back. :)

Moonclip
September 29, 2005, 09:32 PM
I've done all three. They do not bother me as long as they are not in the way of the gun displays/paying customers transactions or offering incorrect, unwarranted advice or spewing racist or inapproprite views in front of me or others.

In fact I have seen them welcomed as a security device. No one wants to rob a place with potentially 5-10 cranky armed guys!

One hangout place I know even has coffee and a bathroom for the customers and allows you to smoke, hard to do inside in my state. Some make it clear, usually chains though,that hanging out is not welcome. One place I was with considered itself a family place and had chairs and snack machines and TV and such but it got out of hand sometimes with people thinking we were babysitter when they were shooting and letting their kids/dogs crawl around on the floor which had lead residue on it, not a good idea.

f4t9r
September 29, 2005, 09:41 PM
#1 yes
#2 no
#3 N/A
Most end up spending quite a few dollars over the years

spacemanspiff
September 29, 2005, 09:50 PM
its a side benefit to befriend the people who happen to work at a gunshop. i dont know how many times i've heard "awwww i dont want to have to inventory this [ammo, accessories, guns] and put price tags on it, its 5 minutes till closing! tell ya what, buy this right now and i'll give it to you at cost."

eventually you can start using that as a ploy.
"gee, it looks like a lot of work to tag and scan that box of stuff that was just delivered. why don't i just take it off your hands? say, 5% markup?"

:evil:

akluvr
September 29, 2005, 09:57 PM
I'm voting for Mr. Keenan's book. Lot of educational stuff that is. So much for keeping your ears open and mouth shut.

Standing Wolf
September 29, 2005, 09:59 PM
I'd rather shoot targets than shoot the bull.

P0832177
September 29, 2005, 10:02 PM
The one gunshop I use has great ownership and good counter help. There are some know it alls that hang out there though. And, listening to them nauseates me! But, to each is own. The worst place is chain store in the north metro. This one guy gives a really bad name to CCW Instructors! He is so FOS that a person just has to shake their head!

Then there are the people that read too much on BBS's that come into the shops and pretend to think they know more then the good counter help.

Soap
September 29, 2005, 10:06 PM
1. NO.

2. I worked at Dicks in between semesters in college, and no one hung out there regularly.

3. YES. I cannot stand people that hang out at the gunshop all day long. There are some that I see literally every single time I go...any hour, any day. It drives me nuts! :banghead:

MikeIsaj
September 29, 2005, 10:08 PM
I don't hang out at the shop but, I've been known to spend an hour buying two boxes of ammo.

The guys there don't bother me. If they did I wouldn't stay. My father-in-law (a salesman), once told me to always give a salesman a few minutes of your time, you'll be surprized at what you will learn. He was so right that I do that with everyone.

Dionysusigma
September 29, 2005, 10:15 PM
1) I don't usually "hang out" in one, but I often go to window-shop.

2) We'll see. I start work at Outdoor America this Saturday. :)

3) Only on occasion. I fear that I myself might be an annoyance, but only because I sometimes ask other people (not the staff/salesman) questions and opinions regarding stuff I don't know much about. I only offer advice when I've heard it repeated from several sources and checked it myself (which is once--the differences among .38spl, .357mag, and .38 +P/+P+).

M-Rex
September 29, 2005, 10:44 PM
1. No. Get in. Buy something. Move on to bigger and better things.

2. N/A

3. Absolutely. They clog up the store...especially when there's 3 or 4 of them, and two are reading the newspaper, and the other two are leaning over the counter talking about some stupid sport of the day to the owner.

Annoying as hell. If they're that lonley, they should buy a dog.

Gunpacker
September 29, 2005, 11:04 PM
I can't go in without looking over the stuff. Sometimes get in a conversation if owner is friendly. One owner was happy he engaged me in conversation. I had been talking cop stuff with owner, a retired Deputy,and was getting ready to leave when a really big motorcycle type guy came in and was unhappy with a gun on consignment deal. The guy got really obnoxious and loud, and owner made eye contact with me. I placed myself strategically, and owner kept trying to calm guy down. He eventually left still snorting, angry about what one of the clerks had told him. We both breathed a sigh of relief. He and I are both retired, and neither of us wanted to battle the guy. Not sure what would have happened if I hadn't been there, because that guy was not a reasonable person. :uhoh:

mustanger98
September 29, 2005, 11:09 PM
Seems like every time I go in a gun shop there are a couple guys "hanging out." They're usually talking it up with the guy behind the counter, shoot'n the bull, etc. With the exception of being on the receiving end of occasional unsolicited (and bad) advice, I have never had a problem with these folks. But I do have a few questions for THR members:

You can meet interesting people and hear interesting stuff that way. You can find out something that works, or you can find out what not to do. What annoys me is the doofus(es) behind the counter who think women can't shoot anything bigger than a .380 and most can't handle that much. I'm a guy, but I have a sister who can shoot anything she wants to.

1. Have you ever been one of these guys who habitually "hangs out" at a gun shop?

Yup. And you wouldn't beleive what my gun-hating grandmother says about that and how she tries to get my Mom to give me grief over it. She won't say it to me, though; she just tries to get Mom to stomp over it.

Oh, and the owners- a married couple- are friends/neighbors of mine. The discussion ain't always guns and hunting; sometimes it's horses and horse shows too. Oh, and they told me about the time she shot Magnum Research's BFR in .500S&W and the shockwave blew her hair straight back.

2. If you work at a gun shop, do the guys who hangout at your shop annoy you?

N/A However, some customers have asked them why I'm not on the payroll. The owners told 'em I eat too much and that my Stetson ain't to keep the sun off; it's for carrying groceries. :neener:

3. As a gun shop customer, do the guys who hangout at the shop annoy you?

Not very often. At that other aweful place I used to do business with, I ran into annoying people all the time. Seems like it's a magnet for that kind. In my friends' place, they're mostly just good ol' boys and girls who like to hunt like I do. :)

MountainPeak
September 29, 2005, 11:13 PM
So then GunPacker, What DID the clerk tell him? Maybe a discussion about THAT might have explained his angry. Added: Let me give you an example. I ordered a stainless Bearcat when they first came out. It was for my grand daughter's birthday. The shop had months of lead time, and promised no problem on delivery. I gave them a couple of more, because I planned on having it engraved. It was to be her first handgun. Got a phone message to pick it up. I arrived less than 48 hrs after the message was sent. Less than 24 after I heard it. It had been sold, and I know why. Someone else offered more than my deal. THIS, big biker looking dude was pissed, and I wonder what you would have thought of me, and my conversation with the clerk? Just the other side of the story!!!! Strategic THAT!!!

bpisler
September 29, 2005, 11:15 PM
There's only one gunshop that i
sometimes hang out at.I used to
work with most of the guys at a
different shop so it's nice to
catch up with everyone.However
if they're busy i'll just get
whatever i came in for,chat for
a few minutes and leave.

Sharps Shooter
September 30, 2005, 12:29 AM
No, I usually don’t hang out at gunshops. But I don’t have any problems with most guys who do. Heck, some of my best friends are gun shop hanger-outers. :D Seriously though, if I was a woman I might have some problems with those guys. When my wife is shopping for shooting accessories or a new gun, she has basically two bad choices of which type of gun shop to go into. She can either go into a small, locally owned gun shop where she’ll get leered at and get all kinds of unsolicited advice as well as smart-ass remarks from the guys hanging out at the counter. Or, she can go into one of the large chain sporting goods stores where she’ll receive stupid advice from the sales people. Often, in the large sporting goods stores, the sales people behind the gun counter simply ignore my wife until I walk up behind her. Have you ever seen a spitting mad cat? That’s akin to what my wife looks like when that happens. :eek:

Don Gwinn
September 30, 2005, 12:54 AM
Mountainpeak, your wife called. She says don't forget your happy pills.

mr.trooper
September 30, 2005, 01:15 AM
1) Yes. I loiter at the local gun shop as longa s i can, as offen as i can.

2) N/A

3) Yes. Some of the dumbest people you will ever meet hang out in gun shops :D

I dont think the shop owners mind me much. i buy range time frequently, and iv purchased a shotgun, a rifle, and a cold steel tanto from them in two months time. they smile when they see me coming.

mnrivrat
September 30, 2005, 04:23 AM
Before Al Gore invented the internet the only way to chat with other gun people was to hang out at the gun shop or at a gun show.

If anyone has a problem with a well mannered shop fly , then I would have to ask " What are you doing here - on the THR - hanging out ? " ;)

HI express
September 30, 2005, 05:21 AM
I am guilty of being one of those guys who used to hang out...actually, if I get a chance now and again, I hang out at one of the local gun stores. OMG, I'm a gun store junky.

One of the things when I had more free time and I was just beginning to look for my "perfect handgun" I used to hang out at a local store that had about 9 or so regulars. I heard a lot of opinions about a lot of subjects besides guns, but several guys were law enforcement officers (couple of SWAT guys, some dealing with the gangs, etc.), some non-LEOs were competition shooters (bull's eye, IDPA, IPSC, black powder, some that went to high end safaris, others were collectors with really extensive collections etc.. A lot of very knowledgeable gun enthusiasts. Several of the guys were prop masters who supplied some very big action movies..I got to meet Tom Selleck, Mel Gibson, etc. at the shop. Too bad my friend eventually had to close his store. When it was open, it was a great place to just ..well, hang out.

I'm sure some customers were annoyed..mainly by the frank opinions of some of the guys hanging out but if you took a little time to find out who some of the guys were then you would know that their opinions were backed by a lot of experience.

So I was there to learn a lot about firearms and over time I have made some really good friends who got me started on a long journey into the world of guns. I also got a lot of good deals throughout all the years. :D

IMHO beats a lot of other interests that I used to be engaged in.

MAURICE
September 30, 2005, 08:43 AM
1) Keep it short. Don't like to crowd up the store. Usually in there no more than five or six hours. ;)
2)N/A. Oh I wish I wish I wish I wish I worked there.
3)Most of the Hanger Outers are pretty cool guys. Some of them I have shot with and some I know from outside of the gunshop (through and old job at a well known knife store, at the range, gun shows, etc.)

I can't wait till they open this morning! Picking up a new Springfield. :D

kframe357
September 30, 2005, 09:23 AM
1. no, I don't like to hang out cuz I have no will power.
2. N/A
3. :fire: I don't like them most of the time, especialy the ones that brag about "taking a strategic position" when I walk in. Last person to draw on me was in Kosovo, and he regretted it.

albanian
September 30, 2005, 09:26 AM
"3. As a gun shop customer, do the guys who hangout at the shop annoy you?"

I am annoyed by most people that are "hanging out" anywhere. These are the people that apparently have nothing else to do than stare at you while you work or try to get things done and make smarta$$ comments.

There are far too many people in the world already we don't need people clogging the aisles that are not even shopping. If these gunshop bums know their place, they are not bad. If they stop talking to the guy who works there long enough so paying customers can ask a few questions and buy some things, no problem. It is when they seem to think because they know the worker, they are more important than the customer that I get mad.

I have walked out on buys at a gunshop because I was being ignored in this way. I go to gunshops to buy and look for deals to buy. I leave with a gun more often than not.

Zach S
September 30, 2005, 09:26 AM
1) Yes. A simple trip to the range usually lasts about four hours, and its 20 minutes away.

2) I dont work there, however I do wind up working occasionally if there's a rush, or if the other guys are busy and another customer comes in. I could live without some of the guys that hang out, normally these are the same guys that no one else cares much for.

3) At some stores, yes. I dont hang out at them. As for the store I do hang out at, I get put on the back burner a lot. It doesn't bother me, I know its a business, and I know that customers come first. As with #2, some of the regulars dont know that, and I find that annoying. Of course, I may be one of the annoying guys, if Ken sees this thread he'll probably let me know, lol.

XLMiguel
September 30, 2005, 11:12 AM
1) - I don't really 'hang out', as I don't go into gunshops that regularly. When I do go, I like to take my time and see what's new/interesting. I'm upfront about whether I'm browsing or buying, so I try not to waste anyone's time, but if they aren't busy and I'm researching a particular gun, we chat, often with interesting results. I always seem to end up buy at least some ammo or some do-dad.

2) - N/A

3) - Not particularly unless they're really intrusive, or tying up the staff with BS when I'm trying to buy something. I figure you can learn something from almost everyone; everybody has value, even if it's as a good example of a bad example :evil:

Gunpacker
September 30, 2005, 11:18 AM
Maybe I should have been clearer. Basically, the guy came in with a threatening manner. Owner was trying to placate him and do the right thing. He told the guy that he could take his gun, etc. Guy was just not going to hear any of it. It was a situation that owner, (armed, we had just discussed his carry weapon) was trying to defuse an angry, bellligerant person. Now, I had no axe to grind in the deal, but having 2 people in the shop may have been the difference between a violent confrontation and the guy finally settling down, talking more reasonably to the owner. Actually, he left the gun there on consignment, but was still outraged. I do know that the normal sized owner (50ish) would not have stood a chance alone hand to hand with the much younger larger customer. Now you can say what you will but I didn't do anything, simply stayed there, in the view of both guys, intending to provided the guy with some help if required. I thought I did the right thing from the conversation I heard. People often have a reason to be pissed, but no one has the right to come in and threaten a guy he has never seen, refuse to discuss a situation, without being seen as a threat. If seen as a threat, expect to be treated as a threat. Situation that!

Omni04
September 30, 2005, 11:43 AM
1. no, i usually get in and get out
2. n/a
3. honestly, kind of. It is kind of intimidating being a newer gun enthusiest, especially because they do say some things that i know are BS, but i can't call them out because i probably couldn't tell the difference between a GLOCK and a USP! (jk BTW)

*edit* sometimes they need to learn the gun rules... such as not sweeping me with the muzzle.

Hollowdweller
September 30, 2005, 01:08 PM
When I was a kid there was a local gun store with all kinds of cool surplus and ammo and stuff.

My mom used to get PMS really bad and the best way was for us to just stay out of her way during those times :what: :cuss:

Whenever those times came along my dad would say "Boys, you mom's brain has swelled, lets go to the gun store, and we'd hang out there with the owner and the old men and have a good old time. But that was in the early 70's and people weren't in such a rush back then.

jamz
September 30, 2005, 01:17 PM
Usually I go in, browse, buy or get out. But of the three gun shops in MA that I frequent, I have 3 different experiences...

1. Owner and I are on a first name basis. He's very freindly, will go out of his way to do me a favor, lets me in the back door, etc. I bought most of my guns from him. Haven't seen any hangers-on in this place, but lots of "long conversations".

2. Another store that has hangers-on. Owner is friendly enough, but it's hard to get him out of his crony-conversations. They don't look pleased when they are interrupted.

3. Another store, freindly enough owners, no hangers-on, but you can carry on a good conversation with the guys. One guy unloaded his Jframe for me so we could see what size primers a .38 took, and another time I was behind the desk helping them out with a new email address and some problems they were having with it.

Now, all my gun shopping is at the Kittery Trading Post, which is a big place, and there is no place or room for hangers-on. The employees really know their stuff for the most part too.

-James

NHBB
September 30, 2005, 05:56 PM
no, I don't hang out at any gun shops... if I go I am looking to buy something, it is a place of business.

the hangaround crowd doesnt bother me, as long as they don't interject ignorant advice about whatever transaction I may be carrying on... I don't be rude, I just acknowledge them and take their warnings or advice with a grain of salt.

the biggest irritation I have found is rude clerks towards their customers, I have overheard so much crap and been subject to it myself in the past... if I don't like someone's attitude, I will tell them and take my money elsewhere. nothing worse than someone who acts like they are doing YOU a favor by selling you an expensive firearm that you can find elsewhere minus the attitude.

newfalguy101
September 30, 2005, 06:26 PM
I havent "hung-out" in a gunshop since the local pawnshop closed, I used to go in there three or four times a week to take a looksee at what he had on hand and to shoot the bull. I spent too much money in that shop, but hey, when you find a place that has freindly people who arent afraid to actually HELP a customer find what they need, I get carried away.

I am an FFL, but as I dont have a "shop" I dont have any squatters driving my customers away :neener:

As a customer, as long as I get help when I need it I dont care whos hanging out, sometimes there REALLY is some good advice thrown around.

Anymore, unless I am in a smaller shop, I seem to spend more time avoiding the moronic salesmen that dont know beans about anything, than I spend actually "shopping"

ID_shooting
September 30, 2005, 06:29 PM
Before "my" shop closed, it was required that I hang out there. Literally, they would bring in doghnuts and coffee every Sat AM for the regulars. It was certainly a social outlet. As for when customers came in, yes, I tok a back seat tot hem and just did my own browsing while busines was being conducted. I have been "volunteered" a time or two while the place was exceptionally busy. I felt it an honor when he trusted me with a set of keys.

When the owner retired and closed the shop, a big part of my life went away.

NMshooter
September 30, 2005, 06:35 PM
Just where do some of you folks think gunshop employees come from?

A training program at the local community college?

I suppose some folks think the best place to meet other shooters is at the local range too...

I will admit I prefer hanging out here at THR, but it did not exist when I was starting out, and there were simply no other options for me.

We must all start somewhere, and be glad that there are several ways to do so, lest we be the last generation who handles actual firearms...

Justin
September 30, 2005, 07:24 PM
I have considered writing a book on the stuff I heard while working at gun shops, and later as a customer/hanger on.

Jim, that'd be great. You should do one idiotic comment per page, and have Peter Bagge (http://www.peterbagge.com/index2.html) illustrate it.

Navy joe
October 1, 2005, 12:30 AM
1. Yes.
2. N/A, but sometimes I hang out and end up working behind the counter.
3. Yes and no. There are good regular hang out types, then there are the ones you want to call the mental ward on or the ones that make you glad one of the managers has his full-auto AR propped up in the corner.

Proper hanging out should be part of the gun culture. Modern, trigger lock, no touch, no dry-fire big box gun stores have taken the life out of the gun culture just as much as the little dusty bin, hitler uniform in the back room, shops have.
My later life goal would be to own a gunstore with a range, classes, a youth program, and most importantly a lounge with a wood stove, coffee pot and some informative gun magazines on hand. What's the fun of having guns if you can't talk about them? When I do the gun store loiter I stay out of the way of customers paying that day.(Chances are I paid a lot more the day before). I help the staff when needed, advocate shotguns with stocks over PGs, give low key honest advice that still aims the customer towards something in the shop. When that's done we talk about an IDPA match, or the latest GSC line we saw on Glocktalk.

JMag
October 1, 2005, 01:21 AM
Jim, I've heard just about as bad from gunstore staff/owners over the years.

mustanger98
October 1, 2005, 01:50 AM
Proper hanging out should be part of the gun culture. Modern, trigger lock, no touch, no dry-fire big box gun stores have taken the life out of the gun culture just as much as the little dusty bin, hitler uniform in the back room, shops have.

Amen to the first part. Damn shame about the second.

goal would be to own a gunstore with a range, classes, a youth program, and most importantly a lounge with a wood stove, coffee pot and some informative gun magazines on hand. What's the fun of having guns if you can't talk about them?

Yeah, me too. Except in my dream store, there'd be a good mix of guns and that kind of stuff, and western wear and saddlery/tack. I think a lot of folks would find guns-and-horses kind of place interesting. I know I would. And I tend to lean on the counter and talk stuff in both kinds of places. I don't like to do business with stuffy people any better than with a loudmouth Mr. Know-it-all.

I help the staff when needed, advocate shotguns with stocks over PGs, give low key honest advice that still aims the customer towards something in the shop. When that's done we talk about an IDPA match, or the latest GSC line we saw on Glocktalk.

I've done, and do, the same thing. This is a lot like the situation I described at my friends' shop earlier in this thread.

ruger270man
October 1, 2005, 02:06 AM
I hung out at the local shop today for about an hour, shot the ???? with the owner and a few customers, talked about guns and politics. good times

gunsmith
October 1, 2005, 02:06 AM
and give all kinds of advice....all stuff I heard here and now everyone thinks I'm a genius!

Big Mike
October 1, 2005, 03:46 AM
To answer your questions:

1. Absolutely NOT!

2. N/A

3. I do not frequent shops often down here in So. Oregon, but in WA when I went to shoot at the range or buy ammo, I always saw a couple there who seemed to be fixtures of the shop. I asked one a question once thinking he worked there and got an earfull of jibber/jabber about not having to work, etc. My limited experience is they are kinda weird.

Mike

MountainPeak
October 1, 2005, 06:43 PM
GunPacker, and my only point was, that there are times customers have good reason to be angry about gun shop services/experiences. Obviously, if the guy was threatening or violent he was totally out of line.

AirForceShooter
October 1, 2005, 08:58 PM
I cannot count the times I've walked into a gun shop and the guru behind the counter is shooting the breeze with his "buddy". Usually I'll wind up wanting to caress something and I'll look over at the guru. He's just way too involved with his bud to talk to me.
You want my money? Pay attention.
I'm gone.

AFS

WayneConrad
October 1, 2005, 09:08 PM
I spend money so fast that a clerk that makes me wait for the end of a joke or anecdote before I can spend more of it is doing me a favor. He's the only thing slowing down my race towards bankruptcy.

Radagast
October 2, 2005, 08:30 AM
Yes I occasionally stop and chat after work if there is time before closing, it was a way to find out if anything new had come in. I tended to help sell guns through enthusiasm, if someone wanted advice I was a relatively unbiased opinion.

End result was one dealer put me on his books as a casual employee so I could sell guns for him to my club members, another uses that to have me hold the desk if he needs to go to the post office.That took a lot of the fun from it, I haven't dropped in in almost six months.

Ken

imas
October 2, 2005, 10:22 AM
When I got my first pistol I took it up to get myself a holster. I didn't really know the appropriate way to do this so I just carried in my entire $20 sentry safe.

I opened it up and the stooge that was just hanging out said:

"Sentry eleven-hundred huh? I could pick that with a bobby pin."

Me: Well my three year old can't.

Oaf: :uhoh: I guess you have a point.

:D My brother in law was with me and he thought it was hillarious.

imas
October 2, 2005, 10:26 AM
I bump into these guys and they often times thinks they are some sort of gun genius. So when they start spouting off I correct them. They always take it hard. :scrutiny: They see a young dumb kid and think that I don't know anything. Man they are usually sorry for opening their condescending mouth. :eek:

CombatArmsUSAF
October 2, 2005, 12:27 PM
The tacticool ninjas bother me, but on the other hand they are always good for a laugh.

kframe357
October 2, 2005, 01:32 PM
I just bought a new (to me) Sig at a shop that I have bought ammo and leather at before yesterday, guy behind the counter (owner) was too busy to help me (bs'ing w/hangers out). I asked the "register girl" (a workers wife, pretty cute) who the newest shop guy was and had him sell it to me. Owner suddenly got interested and said he could help me. I told him no thanks, I want the kid to, owner wasn't happy with response, I said if it was a problem I could start shopping at Gander Mountain or Cabella's.
I don't mind hanger's out as long as they don't affect my shopping. And I don't have time to waste trying to get someone to help me.

Ala Dan
October 2, 2005, 03:31 PM
As a firearms sales rep, NO potiental customers DO NOT annoy me. Lots of
times, you have to let all the BS roll off your back; and decide between
truth and fiction as laid out by customers. For example, I had an older
gentleman tell me one time that he didn't want NO .357 magnum as it
was just too dad burn powerful. I ask him what he meant by that, and
he replied "Hell, it will knock a motor out of a car". :D

What would he think about such cartridges as the .460 or 500 S&W magnums?

mustanger98
October 2, 2005, 09:54 PM
I just remembered another instance or two and how the "sporting goods manager" and a sales rep (for some accessories/equipement manufacturer) both ignored my presence when I was wanting to see about something I was needing at the time. But, that was that other place I've talked about that I no longer do business with as I can neither hang out, nor can I get a straight answer or check stuff out to my satisfaction. Most of the time, those idiots acted like their time was more important than my time and money.

I never get the above feeling with the shop I frequent now.

The_Antibubba
October 3, 2005, 12:06 AM
Yes, I've hung out at a shop a few times. I always make sure to step back when a customer comes in-i don't want to interfere in someone's moneymaking. The worst shops are the "Old Crony Clubs", where selling a gun does not seem to part of the description, especially if you've never been in before. His loss really, not mine.

I didn't come from a shooting background, so I had to learn the culture, and the first place was at gun shops.

gunsmith
October 3, 2005, 01:26 AM
I was at a local gunstore and a college kid was sitting jabbering on a stool to one of the shop workers.
Her finger on the trigger of a SW.38 snubby & it was pointed at the dog laying on the floor....
I interrupted and asked "could you please take your finger off the trigger?"
she said "oh ,it's not loaded"
I told her with a smile that every gun is loaded.
She took her finger off the trigger and I patted the dog on the head and told it (real loud)
"you know , doggy, some one is pointing a gun at you.
The owner called the dog over and the girl bought the gun and thanked me for reminding her what her "firearms instructor" told her about how every gun is loaded...

Randy in Arizona
October 3, 2005, 05:33 AM
1. Have you ever been one of these guys who habitually "hangs out" at a gun shop?

2. If you work at a gun shop, do the guys who hangout at your shop annoy you?

3. As a gun shop customer, do the guys who hangout at the shop annoy you?

1] Not for the last 40 years.
2] N/A
3] Only if I can not get service when I want it.

What has annoyed me was a shop owner that did not keep a deal one of his employees had made.

I was in a store when a man came in and sold a couple of pistols.

One interested me so little I can no longer recall what it was.

The other was an engraved Browning Challenger that I made a deal for that suited both the buyer and me. I came in the next day and the owner had sold it out from under me. :fire:

*&%$@# him and the horse he rode in on! Yes it was his store, but his trusted employee had made a deal in the shop's name.
Well, as far as I was concerned the shop had no reputation from then on.

A friend spotted a Model 92 44-40 of his that had been stolen in that shop, didn't say a word - just walked out, called the police and waited for them to show up and seize the rifle.

GRB
October 3, 2005, 02:10 PM
I used to hand out at a Yellow Mart (sporting goods store) when I lived in El Centro, CA many years ago; I hung out over at the gun counter. Don't know if it is the same thing because I had an ulterior motive. As it turned out, I am pretty sure I did not annoy the folks who worked there especially the three gals who worked there. One of them set me up with one of the others and I set myself up with the third. Two out of three was not too bad - back in my bachelor days! I also got some good advice there about guns, and got some fair to good deals on them.

As for the real hard core gun store flunkies; I have seen a few who have annoyed the heck out of me with their whispered (just loud enough so I can hear it) jabbering when I am trying to buy a gun or make an inquiry. Some of them are the all knowing expert types.

There have also been others who are nice regular folks who mind their own business when I am making a purchase or asking for info. If they have an opinion they politely tell me outloud. That does not bother me.

One other thing that tends to get annoying is when the gun store clerk or owner ignores me when I am looking for help while he jabbers with a regular gun shop groupie. I have walked out of a few stores like that already and brought my business elsewere.

Dr.Rob
October 3, 2005, 02:22 PM
I dobn't mind folks hanging out... usually fall into one of several categories: window shoppers, retired folks having a cup of coffee, or waiting on a background check.

Imagine, just a few years back you didn't have the chance to make so many friends, thanks ATF.

Just kidding, but honestly the last handgun purchase I made I had to wait a LONG time for an 'instacheck' to go through, in the meantime the shop owner showed me every darn rifle/pistol/shotgun in the store.

Pretty neat guy that Rob.

On another occasion, at his shop I walked in with cash in hand to buy a gun the three guys smoking and drinking coffeee were all 'talking about' buying. :D

That Colt Magnum Carry still remains in my collection.

I try not to 'hang out and gab' but i sure do like to window shop... thank goodness we have gunshows so I can get my 'fix'.

EddieCoyle
October 3, 2005, 03:11 PM
I had an experience this weekend. On Saturday morning I went into a shop nearby to buy a S&W 500 Mag (4"). I've wanted this gun for a while, and just got a bonu$ from work. I waited somewhat patiently for about 10 minutes while the owner gabbed with one of the regular groupies. The other people working at the shop were busy with customers. Only when I was walking out the door did he look over and say, "Can I help you." I said, "Not right now."

I went to another shop that was VERY service oriented. Great guys. The owner's son excused himself from the groupie-fest and came right over to help me. I asked to see the 4" S&W 500. As I was looking at it, he even tried to talk me out of it -not real hard mind you, he just wanted to know what I was expecting to do with it because there might be another gun that would fit my needs better. I told him that I had some disposable income and I wanted to be the first one at the range to have one. I ended up buying the gun and three boxes of ammo (I think I need to start handloading).

On my way home, I stopped at the first shop and walked in with my new purchase. I waited for the owner and said, "Now you can help me. I just bought this and realized that I need some bigger cleaning patches. Do you have any?" You should have seen the look on his face.

ZenMasterJG
October 3, 2005, 03:22 PM
I ocassionally hang out at the gunshop near my house, but usually just when im there to use the range. The best dumb thing i've heard from a customer there was this gangsta kid telling his friends that the part of the barrel that extends past the slide on a berreta 92 was a silencer.

twency
October 3, 2005, 03:31 PM
I could be one of those guys that hangs out at a gun shop (I've hung out in a few camera shops in my time, indulging my other hobby), but I've never had an experience that made me think I'd want to hang out in a gun shop.

The shop where I purchased my Glock was happy to take my money, and was polite about it, but it was clearly more hunting-oriented than anything else, and I've never hunted. (Dad didn't hunt - I wish now that I'd had that experience.) I didn't seem to have much in common with the guys there. The upside of that shop is they did a decent job cleaning up my grandfather's horribly neglected Winchester model 94 30-30.

My wife bought a couple of .22 pistols at another store. The Ruger Mark II was bought on a sale day so busy that you could hardly get up to the gun counter. Not conducive to hanging out.

The S&W .22 revolver was purchased from a sales guy who wouldn't listen, which is one of the tings that ticks me off more than anything else. Wife says she's looking for a .22 revolver, because she wants something small and lightweight. Response: "You aren't planning on using it for self-defense are you? The .22 is too small to use for self-defense." We both assure him it's just for target practice, that the Glock we already have is for self-defense. He starts talking about the gun, but keeps coming back and trying to talk her into a larger caliber, because the .22 isn't good for self-defense. Every time the wife brings up that she want something small and light (she gets tired of holding the 6.875" bull-barrel Mk II), he keeps deciding that she's planning on carrying it. We insisted on buying the gun, but he seemed to be muttering the whole time about how it was a bad idea. That made me rather disinclined to return there.


-twency

Working Man
October 3, 2005, 04:03 PM
[QUOTE]1. Have you ever been one of these guys who habitually "hangs out" at a gun shop?
2. If you work at a gun shop, do the guys who hangout at your shop annoy you?
3. As a gun shop customer, do the guys who hangout at the shop annoy you?[QUOTE]

1. I only talk if I'm A. buying, B. need info, or C. know the guy

2. It never bugged me, part of the job. They usualy bought somthing (ammo/holster at least) when we were done.

3. Not unless they get in the way.

bubbaturbo
October 3, 2005, 11:02 PM
Last Saturday at C&J Sporting Goods in OKC, an older guy and his wife are leaning side by side on a display case blocking anyone else from seeing. Not really talking, just standing. This Saturday, same people blocking different case. Just leaning and totally oblivious to other customers.

Turtle Club
October 3, 2005, 11:33 PM
You know those old retiered men that hang out at McDonald's from like 7:30am-whenever their wifes come and get them on Saturday Mornings?

Well, that's me at the gun shop/range. Free coffee cake made by the owner's wife is a Saturday Morning MUST! Not to mention the cofee and home grown fruit they bring in. I am trying to get my girfriend to join me but she feels its more inportant to sleep in :rolleyes: ,

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