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Rusher
September 30, 2005, 11:58 AM
Boy the Brady bunch must be gasping for air... grasping at straws....yes I do think they have sunk to a new low


LINK (http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=2014492005)


Florida tourists warned that locals could shoot them

ALASTAIR JAMIESON


IT IS Britain's most popular transatlantic holiday destination, attracting more than 1.5 million visitors a year with its sun-drenched beaches, theme parks and wildlife.

But Florida's 30 billion tourism industry is under threat from a campaign launched by a gun-control group which warns visitors they could be killed.

A series of alarming adverts, to be placed in British newspapers, warns potential tourists about a new law allowing gun owners to shoot anyone they believe threatens their safety.




One of the warning posters issued by the Brady campaign group. Picture: AFP/Getty


It means thousands of British families who travel to the Sunshine State are now caught up in the ongoing political row over gun control in the United States.

The Florida law, supported by the National Rifle Association, was approved by the state legislature in April.

The state's governor, Jeb Bush - whose brother is the US president - described it as a "good, commonsense, anti-crime issue".

Critics call it the "shoot first" law and say it allows gun owners to shoot if they engage in a simple argument in public. Supporters call it the "stand your ground" law and say criminals will think twice before attacking someone.

Previously, gun owners could only use their weapons if they first attempted to withdraw and avoid a confrontation, and were permitted to shoot threatening individuals only inside their home or property.

Now they can use "deadly force" if they "reasonably believe" that firing their gun is necessary to prevent a crime or serious injury. The law also effectively prevents civil legal action by victims of such shootings.

The Brady Campaign to Control Gun Violence, based in Washington DC, has pledged to "educate" tourists by placing adverts in US cities, and in key overseas markets such as Britain.

"Warning: Florida residents can use deadly force," says one of the adverts. Another reads: "Thinking about a Florida vacation? Please ensure your family is safe. In Florida, avoid disputes. Use special caution in arguing with motorists on Florida roads."

The Brady Campaign - named after Jim Brady, the spokesman for Ronald Reagan who was paralysed by a gunshot during the 1981 assassination attempt on the then-president - promises to also run adverts in French, German and Japanese newspapers. The campaign officers also plan to hand out leaflets on roads leading into the state.

Peter Hamm, the communications director of the Brady Campaign, said: "It's a particular risk faced by travellers coming to Florida for a vacation because they have no idea it's going to be the law of the land. If they get into a road rage argument, the other person may feel he has the right to use deadly force."

Tourism officials in Florida are furious at the move. Bud Nocera, the executive director of Visit Florida, said: "It is sad that such an organisation would hold the 900,000 men and women who work in the Florida tourism industry, and whose lives depend on it, hostage to their political agenda."

The Association of British Travel Agents yesterday said the posters were "a matter of concern", but said there was unlikely to be a drop in the number of visitors to Florida.

It said 1.4 million Britons made the journey last year, attracted by the weather and resorts such as Disneyworld and the Kennedy Space Centre.

A spokeswoman said: "We would offer the same advice about Florida as we would any other part of the United States. As far as we are concerned, nothing has changed."

More than 80 million tourists from around the world visited Florida last year, boosting an industry that accounts for one-fifth of the state economy.

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TIMC
September 30, 2005, 12:08 PM
It has always been that way in Texas. No blood bath here!

yorec
September 30, 2005, 01:22 PM
Nope, nothing new here - they've always been that low.

M-Rex
September 30, 2005, 01:30 PM
How can I get one of those posters? I wonder if HCI would send one to me. That would look great in my garage right above my reloading bench.

Mongo the Mutterer
September 30, 2005, 01:36 PM
they have sunk to a new low

I hope the State of Florida takes action to file suit against HCI and Brady for restraint of trade.

Hit them where it hurts. In the wallet.

beaucoup ammo
September 30, 2005, 01:37 PM
Florida survived the unfortunate situation with German tourists a few years back..they'll sail through this flacid attempt as well.

Take Care

HighVelocity
September 30, 2005, 01:53 PM
Really has no clue or concept of reality. :rolleyes:

It is preposterous to assume that anyone in a confrontation would automatically shoot another person "just because it's legal". :fire:

Can the Brady folks tie their own shoes and feed themselves?

Standing Wolf
September 30, 2005, 10:37 PM
Perhaps the leftist extremists have abandoned the effort of trying to sucker Americans, and are now working on the far more susceptible audience of effete European socialists.

denfoote
September 30, 2005, 11:45 PM
They could meet Jesus just as easily here in Arizona!! ;)

Robert Hairless
October 1, 2005, 04:09 AM
Napoleon said "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."

Isn't it interesting to watch the Brady Campaign discredit and destroy itself in such a public way? Sarah Brady, Peter Hamm, and their organization have just alienated a powerful trade association in perhaps the only possible way:

Tourism officials in Florida are furious at the move. Bud Nocera, the executive director of Visit Florida, said: "It is sad that such an organisation would hold the 900,000 men and women who work in the Florida tourism industry, and whose lives depend on it, hostage to their political agenda."

Bud Nocera has nailed the Bradys, who underestimated the intilligence of other people and overestimated their own cleverness. Any friends they might have had in the powerful tourist industry or among middle-of-the-road politicians are now either gone or going. The Bradys have just demonstrated that they are too dangerous to have as friends.

This Brady tactic suggests to me that the organization is undergoing its own death throes. The tactic seems born of desperation--a last ditch do or die--similar to Adolf Hitler's in the Battle of the Bulge.

CZ-100
October 1, 2005, 09:37 AM
Well the law took affect ~8.5 hrs ago, and so far I have yet to see or hear about "Blood flowing in the streets"

And we all know it will not happen. We were told tha same thing when the CCW law went into effect in "87.

thatguy
October 1, 2005, 12:07 PM
Their breathless warning to Europeans is a lie because the new law only involves people on their own property, not on the roads or public places as the Brady campaign suggests. As noted, this "no need to retreat" law in Florida is similar to many other states' existing laws. Nothing new except in Florida.

This is cheap political propaganda designed to bring pressure on the legislature to repeal the law. What they will probably get instead with their scare tactics is a huge lawsuit from some tourism group or hotel.

artherd
October 1, 2005, 04:04 PM
Maybe we should send some nice inviting tourist letters and incentive packages (hell let's buy 'em houses) to known sex offenders!

Come on over guys, Sarah Brady wants you nearby and she's defenseless!@

Justin
October 1, 2005, 04:35 PM
Sounds like the Brady camp has taken a page from PeTA's playbook.

Good.

feedthehogs
October 1, 2005, 04:52 PM
Well I've been out since 7am.
My total body count is 3000. At least 500 were Brits.
What say the rest of you Floridians?


Their breathless warning to Europeans is a lie because the new law only involves people on their own property, not on the roads or public places as the Brady campaign suggests.

Oh yes it does. Thats the beauty of the new law. We don't have to run and hide anywhere.

We've always had the castle doctrine. It now extends to everywhere.

ceetee
October 1, 2005, 11:58 PM
Even though I disagree with the person who made this photo at least 99.9% of the time, I thought it was just too good not to share.



Originally posted at www.floridashootersnetwork.com :

Tom Servo
October 2, 2005, 01:21 AM
Am I the only one who would feel SAFER going to a place where "residents can use deadly force," as the poster says?

I'm more terrified of going to DC or NYC where "residents have been safely disarmed so that the criminal element may prey freely upon the unwary."

Robert Hairless
October 2, 2005, 04:19 AM
Eric F -- Am I the only one who would feel SAFER going to a place where "residents can use deadly force," as the poster says?

I'm more terrified of going to DC or NYC where "residents have been safely disarmed so that the criminal element may prey freely upon the unwary."

You're not the only one who feels that way. We've just scheduled a business trip to Florida. We stopped going to DC and NYC a few years ago even though we like both cities. Our business could have been done equally well in a New England city and some others but we chose Florida from among them all.

I hope to get one of the Brady Campaign posters and some of the pamphlets while we're there.

thatguy
October 2, 2005, 12:06 PM
feedthehogs- You live in Florida so you know more about it than I do. But I just saw a story on Fox News and a retired judge was quoting the law and it clearly says (according to him) "on your property." He specifically stated that it did not apply on the road or in public places.

Can you cut and paste the exact text of the law from some source?

Dan0076
October 2, 2005, 02:22 PM
I wonder if there is any legal action that the "tourism officials" could take if it is found that this deceptive Brady ad campaign hurt tourism in FL. That would be some sweet justice.

beaucoup ammo
October 2, 2005, 02:44 PM
...or "adverts" as the article calls them...however, I doubt the group placing them would be open to any litigious problems. Once the paper / broadcast outlet accepts the check, the ball's in their court...so to speak.

Take Care

ceetee
October 2, 2005, 09:03 PM
A pdf of the legal language in the law as passed. (http://www.flsenate.gov/data/session/2005/senate/bills/billtext/pdf/s0436er.pdf)


It used to be that Floridians had a legal obligation to retreat when faced with violence, and could only use force if no retreat was possible. Not anymore. Now, if you can prove that you're in fear for your safety, you can use force without being legally bound to look for avenues of escape. Not only that, but you have some protection against any wrongful-death/civil rights violations lawsuits the victim or his/her family may try to pursue.

All-in-all, a good time to be a Floridian...





Edited to add:

And no, the streets are not "running red with blood", even now!

Sylvilagus Aquaticus
October 2, 2005, 09:39 PM
"If it's tourist season, why can't we shoot them?"


Does that mean Florida will get the 'Ice Cream Truck of Death' before I see one in Texas? Dang....and I kept watching down at the corner of my street....



Regards,
Rabbit.

DevLcL
October 2, 2005, 09:55 PM
Does this law also permit tourists to use deadly force if they feel threatened?

If so what are they worried about, I would bring my own firearm and feel safe knowing If I get robbed I can defend myself. (I suppose brit-tourist-types dont often have too many guns :rolleyes: )

-Dev

ceetee
October 3, 2005, 09:19 AM
WHEREAS, the Legislature finds that it is proper for
law-abiding people to protect themselves, their families, and
others from intruders and attackers without fear of
prosecution or civil action for acting in defense of
themselves and others, and
WHEREAS, the castle doctrine is a common-law doctrine
of ancient origins which declares that a person's home is his
or her castle, and
WHEREAS, Section 8 of Article I of the State
Constitution guarantees the right of the people to bear arms
in defense of themselves, and
WHEREAS, the persons residing in or visiting this state
have a right to expect to remain unmolested within their homes
or vehicles, and
WHEREAS, no person or victim of crime should be
required to surrender his or her personal safety to a
criminal, nor should a person or victim be required to
needlessly retreat in the face of intrusion or attack, NOW,
THEREFORE,


etc, etc, etc.



People are people. If you are legally able to possess a firearm, then you can use it in self-defense. I'd imagine that you'd have to be able to vigorously state your frame of mind, and/or produce witnesses to show that you did have reeason to fear for your safety...

ScottsGT
October 3, 2005, 09:26 AM
Personally, I hope their tactic works.

I'm tired of taking the kids to Disney World and smelling B.O. everywhere :evil:

Personally, I'd rather take them elsewhere, but the wife doesn't go for my personal boycotts and has shoved Mickey Mouse down the kids throats since they were born. She just announced the mother of all vacations to me last night. A $3K week stay next spring at one of the Disney villas :uhoh: :eek:

"DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY GARANDS THAT WOULD BUY!!"
unfourtunatly, I don't have a dog in that fight since she is going to figure out how to pay for it all!

Lil38
October 3, 2005, 09:48 AM
I posted this in a thread a while back. http://www.aagunsales.com/News/Governor+to+sign+off+on+new+self-defense+bill I'm trying to figure out how to attach a picture of the other poster, I'm still a computer novice :o It's just dog-gone sad how the sheep keep tryin' to tell the sheepdogs that the wolves will just go away.

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