Gun Control Advocate on court TV


The Grand Inquisitor
September 30, 2005, 01:50 PM
Today on Court TV there is a case in which a kid (12-14 or so) accidently shot a friend with his fathers gun (the father is on trial for culpable negligence because he left the gun under the couch). During a break when the talking heads were balthering on, they had a guest who spit out statistics about the likelihood of a child being killed with a gun in the US versus the rest of the Western world.

Of course there was not a dissenting opinion. I just wanted to give everyone a heads up in case anyone wanted to watch this (it will probably go on for a few days off and on).

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September 30, 2005, 05:58 PM
Dad was convicted.
Got 3 1/2 years hard time and another 3 1/2 probation.


September 30, 2005, 06:19 PM
Way to go. Destroy a family when the kid needs it most. WOOT!!!!

Andrew Rothman
September 30, 2005, 06:31 PM
Sounds like dad's pretty darn guilty. You DON'T leave guns where kids can get them.

September 30, 2005, 06:49 PM
An unloaded rifle leans up against my bed, and when we are in the room, with my 5 year old son, he can walk right up to it. He will not touch it without permission. That is how you stop an accident before it happens - train your children, consistantly....

September 30, 2005, 06:52 PM
-Thank you! I'm glad you don't buy that the only safe gun is locked up where it doesn't do any good.
Shall we post stories where children were murdered that knew how to defend themselves but state law required them to be locked up when the boogeyman came?

AZ Jeff
September 30, 2005, 07:22 PM
There is an old adage about you can't "kid-proof your guns, but you CAN gun-proof your kids."

From the time I was old enough to remember, there were LOADED guns in my parents house, and I was taught they were forbidden to be touched, unless I asked my parents permission, at which time they would be unloaded and I was allowed to examine said firearm (all while obeying the 4 rules.)

My own son has grown up under the same rules. (He's 15 now.) By not making them some sort of "forbidden fruit", he has learned to respect them for what they are. I trust him completely. (That's NOT to say that I trust his friends, so when they are around, the arms get locked up.)

Locking up all guns is almost ASKING for them to become tantalizing to children, as the become more "mysterious".

Of course, all of my comments depend on the AGE of the children involved. What one does when there are toddlers in the house is NOT the same as when one has teenagers.

None the less, the idea of making home with firearms "completely safe" by locking them all up is a bit rediculous, and possibly doing a more mature child a disservice as he grows up.

That's my opinion...........

September 30, 2005, 07:40 PM
Way to go. Destroy a family when the kid needs it most. WOOT!!!!
By this reasoning no parent should go to prison no matter how terrible the crime. The family needs them.


September 30, 2005, 07:51 PM
Way to go. Destroy a family when the kid needs it most. WOOT!!!!The man went to jail for contributing to the destruction of another family.

Had he taken proper precautions he would not have been in a position he placed himself in.

So now he is responsible for the destruction of his own family also, not the state

September 30, 2005, 08:26 PM
I grew up in a house with loaded firearms in it. (Dad was a cop.) I didn't dare touch any of them without permission until my Dad said I was old enough to use one for self-defense. ( When I was about 13, I let a vacuum cleaner salesman in the house, so my Dad gave me a crash course on security) What he forgot to do was train me on how his Off Duty gun (S&W 49) worked.
To avoid a long, embarrassing story, I'll shorten it to say that I not long after that put a hole through our kitchen floor as a result of not knowing how a DA revolver worked. :o (That and my booger hook slipping off the trigger guard[carried pointed straight down] and hitting the trigger which was cocked back.) I became very safety-concious after that, it cost me not deer hunting until I was fifteen instead of thirteen, and I'd like to think it spurred my interest in how firearms worked, which eventually led to me being a gunsmith.

I will not make the same mistake with my kids. My twelve-year-old son knows how to operate my HD weapons, and knows the legalities and such. My seven-year-old knows not to touch any of my guns without me present, and after a BB gun incedent, has learned why. I trust them (now!) to do what is right.

*Disclaimer- I do not keep the HD guns loaded. *

September 30, 2005, 08:27 PM
His attitude wasnt great either, it wasnt his fault because his kids had skipped school. It wasnt his fault because his kids never liked guns before, its not his fault because..... you get the point. I reckon if he'd just owned upto it he would've been let off the hook.

Andrew Rothman
October 1, 2005, 05:27 PM
Well, seeing as the physical development of the brain in the areas that control judgement and recognizing consequences doesn't finish until almost twenty, people who insist that they can "gun-proof" their kids are believing what they wish to believe, not what is true.

And spare me the anecdotes of how you grew up in a house with loaded guns and lived to tell. Many here grew up in an era before seat belts -- and a lot more people used to die in automobiles.

Sure, teach your kids. But it's not sufficient. Sure, lock up your guns. But, no, that's not sufficient either.

Belt and suspenders, people. I've asked before: Are our kids worth any less?

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