solved ALL my 1911 problems (i think) (maybe ?)


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HD
October 2, 2005, 09:27 PM
after working with the calipers til my eyes are getting blurry , getting a bigger pile of reject parts with every measurement made , and just plain losing faith in the people at geneso , i found a solution to ALL my 1911 woes ...
i ordered a sig 245 2 tone ... :neener: :what: :eek: :evil:

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Pietro Beretta
October 2, 2005, 09:42 PM
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grendelbane
October 2, 2005, 09:43 PM
I have a P245. It is reliable, and more than accurate enough for its intended purpose.

I am thinking of trading it for a Commander, because it has little soul.

A hard concept to explain, but nevertheless, that is the way I feel.

Next week I may feel differently.

1911Tuner
October 2, 2005, 11:15 PM
Take heart Henry...maybe you'll run up on a Rand or a GI Colt at that show. :cool:

HD
October 3, 2005, 08:09 AM
this is after 35 years of owning , shooting , reloading for , and working on , 1911's...(80+ 1911's)
its just not fun or interesting any longer , i'm tired...
i know the WW2 will shoot , i stilll have it's first target shot with HB , the 1st round went right on the 'X' , the rest followed ...
but the effort to try to get this thing to work right is souring me on 1911's as a serious gun ...
i am debating getting a kimber 22 conversion and just having it as a plinker ....
( i can just hear the screams of 'blasphemy ! and heritic !)
i ordered the SIG so i can have 45 thats as idiotproof as i can reasonably get for my $$$...
i have never had a sig break or fail to work from right out of the box , same for CZ...
(yes , i know the problems one dept is supposedly having with some 220's)

johnny , i greatly appreciate your help in all this ... thanks again ...HD

Kruzr
October 3, 2005, 02:48 PM
While I've lost faith in the management in Genesco, the assembly and manufacturing people you've lost faith in are in Sao Paulo and Rio de Janeiro.

Old Fuff
October 3, 2005, 03:33 PM
>> ...the assembly and manufacturing people you've lost faith in are in Sao Paulo and Rio de Janeiro. <<

So far as I know, all they make is the frames and slides, and generally speaking they, in and of themselves don't cause any problems. The quality issues seem to be limited to lockwork and magazines - that and "anything goes" when it comes to final assembly and inspection - if there is any. Suposedly final assembly is done here in the U.S. of A.

HD
October 3, 2005, 04:14 PM
the 10/1000 oversize FPSP slid right in ... the extractor works now ...
hell ,a .480 plate probably would havebeen a force fit... (scary huh?)
other parts slipped right in ...
a few more parts and it will be finished , will send you the replaced parts , maybe they'll work in something of yours ...

Old Fuff
October 3, 2005, 06:58 PM
How the heck did you get that extractor and FPSP into a SIG 245 ...?? I think at last you've put Tuner to shame ... :neener: :D

HD
October 3, 2005, 09:44 PM
packed the 1911s in their boxes and locked them in the safe , no more , i've had my fill of the nonsense ...
it took 35 yrs , but i'm cured of 1911s...
sending all the extras to tuner for his partsdrawer , enough was finally just too much...
if the 245 or a 220 won't do the job , i gotta ask myself why ...

Old Fuff
October 3, 2005, 10:17 PM
Well that's the whole trouble ... Ya' started way too late. :uhoh:

By the time you came along all of the good stuff that worked had been made. Back in the 40's and before, JMB's big pistol was made the way it was supposed to be. Everything was "real steel" back then, all properly heat-treated and tempered. Why parts even matched the blueprints!!! :what:

The people who put 'um together were experienced and knew what they were doing - and did it right. And in case they slipped some floor inspector would catch them at it. If ya' ever get a chance to look over an *old* Colt or USGI gun you'll find little numbers and letters stamped all over it. Those are marks the inspectors' left to show they were doing their job. The stuff you've been trying to fix is devoid of such marks, because there isn't anyone to make them ... :uhoh:

But anyway, the SIG's aren't bad guns I suppose. Seems that a lot of folks like 'um a lot. CZ doesn't do badly either, and the prices are very reasonable. :)

So have fun with your new toys, and see if they are your cup of tea (or turbocoffee as the case may be). I wish you luck.

But I aint changing ... :evil:

JMag
October 3, 2005, 10:21 PM
You'll love your 245...guaranteed. ;)

grendelbane
October 3, 2005, 10:31 PM
If all of my Gov't model and clones thereof were to disappear, I could get by quite readily with a couple of SIGs. However, it would not be a P245 and a P220.

No, my picks would be the P229 and P239. Yes, without a Gov't model, I would abandon the .45 ACP! :evil:

Seriously, I and my friends have gone through several SIGs, and I don't recall any problems. Also, no modifications were required, or performed. (Except maybe for grips.)

Still, there is some thing very sweet about a Gov't model. :)

1911Tuner
October 3, 2005, 10:32 PM
Talked to HD on the land line about 2 hours ago. I had him try somethin' else to address his extractor problems. Told him that if it didn't cooperate, to send me the top-end so I can have another crack at fixin' half a gun... :p

I think he's gonna be able to fix it though... :cool:

HD
October 3, 2005, 11:11 PM
the worst of them was still better than the best amuricacan guns of recent vintage...
have had 3 cz's so far and everyone has been excellant...
every damm'd one of the last 13-15 1911's has needed at least some work nib to make them function right...
no more , i bet old john is crying hard tears over what they've done to his creation ...

Old Fuff
October 3, 2005, 11:37 PM
>> ... i bet old john is crying hard tears over what they've done to his creation ... <<<

And you'd better believe that we'd join him ... :mad:

DAVE RICHARDS
October 3, 2005, 11:58 PM
My 245 was my first Sig. Stupid accurate, very easy to conceal, and over 10,000 trouble free rounds. Just had to replace my recoil spring around the 10,000 round mark. Enjoy shooting it instead of waiting for a 1911 to come back from the shop and hope it's fixed.!

HD
October 4, 2005, 12:01 AM
no more 1911s , not unless its a toolroom model assembled by JMB hisself ... :neener:

Tom Servo
October 4, 2005, 12:48 AM
I've got a P245 on my hip right now. Wonderful carry gun, basically Sig's answer to the CCO. I wanted a "chopped" version of my P220, which is what the P245 is. Ironically, it seems to kick just a tad less than the full-size, and in my hands it's just as accurate out to about 50'.

Reliability...well, it's never malfunctioned, even with ammo that wouldn't shoot out of other folks' guns. I'd be REALLY surprised if it did, and I trust it inherently.

I'm fortunate to have two 1911s that are trustworthy: a S&W that required one trip back to fix a grip-safety problem (great customer service, btw) and (wait for it...) a Kimber CDP Compact, which has been utterly reliable out of the box. One stovepipe at 80 rounds, and nothing in the ~1200 since.

I'd be happy carrying either. Still, for some reason, I'm just a bit more comfortable with a Sig. I will warn you, however...once you've got the P245, you'll NEED a P220. Then a P228 because it's a great wondernine. Then you'll need a P226 'cause .357SIG is such a cool caliber. Then, a P230 for those discreet situations. It's a sickness. Yes it is... :p

Stinkyshoe
October 4, 2005, 01:18 AM
I solved my 1911 woes...I gotta a glock :neener: :eek: :scrutiny: :D

dsk
October 4, 2005, 03:31 AM
By the time you came along all of the good stuff that worked had been made. Back in the 40's and before, JMB's big pistol was made the way it was supposed to be. Everything was "real steel" back then, all properly heat-treated and tempered. Why parts even matched the blueprints!!!

Ain't that the absolute TRUTH. Actually the 1950's and early 60's Colt pistols were also made well. It was after everybody first started smoking pot that things began to go south, although I don't think they can use that as an excuse these days.

1911Tuner
October 4, 2005, 08:00 AM
Dana...ROFL!

Actually, HD used to have several good ones and let'em get away from him.
Meanwhile, this GI Springer of mine is a dandy...since I upgraded with USGI
small parts and the Kart barrel. He's decided to keep his in anticipation of a trip east in the near future, and has promised to drop in for a visit. Maybe we can turn him around on his decision to forego the 1911. :cool:

HD
October 4, 2005, 09:04 AM
I will warn you, however...once you've got the P245, you'll NEED a P220. Then a P228 because it's a great wondernine. Then you'll need a P226 'cause .357SIG is such a cool caliber. Then, a P230 for those discreet situations. It's a sickness. Yes it is...

i have already had the 220(x4)-245-239(x4)226(x3)others ...
as for the 1911, well when a high dollar colt failed in 'indian country' at 2:30 in the morning cause a a tiny peice of brass froze the disconnect solid in the frame ...
well lets just say the trust started to go south from there...
ever try taking a 1911 apart inside a sack in the dark by feel ?
only reason i could do it was almost 20 years of muscle memory for stripping one of the dammd things ...
got the disconnect out pried the peice of brass out of the hole and got it back together by feel...
it was an almost nib '70 commander / nickel with an OVERSIZED hole for the disconnect to ride thru...
last colt i ever bought after that little fiasco...

now granted , the PX9109L i have is as good as anything commercial i've ever owned (except for the "B" extractor that was in it ) but my trust is gone for the ability to allow me to carry it ...
naw , enough is too much ... :banghead: :cuss:

Old Fuff
October 4, 2005, 09:34 AM
Need to point out that getting a piece of brass stuck in the disconector hole is most unusual. In fact it's the first and only time I've heard of something like that happening.

But the really important thing is that when it did, you were able to take the gun apart without tools to fix it. I know of no other pistol (or revolver for that matter) that is commonly used today that can be detail stripped without tools.

I never have gotten into a situation like you described, but one time I had the bad luck of dropping a Government Model out of a shoulder holster into a pile of dirt and gravel. When I found it, it was entirely covered except for a small part of the mainspring housing (which is the only reason I was able to find it). Anyway, I detail stripped it and threw the parts in a pot of water. When they were clean I went to boiling water (so they would heat-dry) and then oil. Put everything back together and was good to go.

All handguns have strong and/or weak points, but this is an important one with me. On an individual basis all companies occasionally turn out a lemon - but some much more then others. During the pre-1960's days Colt turned out very few.

Companies like SIG, CZ, and Glock have EARNED a reputation for reliability, although threads and posts on this forum and others prove that they aren't perfect (in fact nothing is). Springfield Armory it would seem is also getting a reputation, but of an entirely different kind. :(

ruger270man
October 4, 2005, 09:51 AM
I know of no other pistol (or revolver for that matter) that is commonly used today that can be detail stripped without tools.

the makarov doesnt require much

Old Fuff
October 4, 2005, 10:16 AM
The Makarov is easy to *field strip* but detail disassembly requires tools, such as a set of punches and a hammer at a minimum. Remember, we are talking about removing each and every part that can be removed ...

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