St. Louis CCW - Quick Question...


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techmike
October 3, 2005, 12:14 PM
I have a question for any members in St. Louis. I am going to be in St. Louis soon on business. I know that MO has CCW reciprocity with KY. Are there any local laws in St. Louis that prevent me from CCW?

Thanks,

Mike

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Technosavant
October 3, 2005, 12:18 PM
Nope. Localities are not allowed to pre-empt the state CCW law. Certain locations may, however, post no-CCW signs. Carrying in such a place is not a crime. At most, it is trespassing (they have to tell you to leave, and you may leave your piece in the car, and it is only an issue if you do not leave and the police must be called). In my experience, places that post such signs do not search visitors. Many places post signs in out-of-the-way locations, so you may not notice that CCW is not allowed until after you leave (that has happened to me several times). I have never been "made."

Just be careful if you plan to drive through IL. They are VERY hostile to firearms rights there, and IL police made a point of telling the media they would arrest anybody trying to CCW over there, or even having a loaded weapon in the passenger cabin of the vehicle. Just drive on through, obey the speed limits, and have a nice time in the wonderful state of MO.

techmike
October 3, 2005, 12:21 PM
Thanks for the good info!

Mike

wdlsguy
October 3, 2005, 03:54 PM
http://www.packing.org/state/missouri

bogie
October 3, 2005, 11:30 PM
And remember that the businesses who have the "no guns" signs or even the "gunbusters" signs up do not want you as a customer.

FWIW, you can't carry into stadiums, etc., or government buildings. That's about it.

Don Gwinn
October 3, 2005, 11:33 PM
So, let's say I CCW into the Union Station, which is posted--I am not committing a crime unless they ask me to leave and I don't? Fascinating. I've carried a large knife there, but never a handgun. Now that I've screwed up my PA CCW application, it's going to be even longer before it matters.

Union Station doesn't amount to much anyway, but my wife likes to go there for some reason.

Technosavant
October 4, 2005, 12:09 AM
Don- that is correct. It isn't even a significant crime- just a citation. In order for you to get in trouble, the following must occur:

1) The owner must post a sign at the entrance of proper design (something like 11x17 or so, 1" letters). Some post improper signs (Fazoli's restaurants in St. Charles county post simple gun with a slash sign- not the right size, so I am assuming they just don't like revolvers).

2) You must get spotted. Concealed means exactly that.

3) You must refuse to leave if asked to do so.

4) If you refuse to leave and the police are called, you can be fined $100 the first time. Within 6 months, the second time will cost you $200 and a permit suspension. A third time will cost you $500 and the permit is gone for 3 years.

I carry a 5" 1911 in a Milt Sparks VM2. Even when I have inadvertently carried into a posted place, nobody noticed. Conceal well and don't go places where you are likely to run through metal detectors or get searched. Even better, just take business elsewhere (if possible).

techmike
October 4, 2005, 12:25 AM
Great info all around. Seems to be pretty reasonable as far a ccw laws go (no that there should be any at all). Here in KY I won't patronize a business where I can't carry...I sure won't when traveling. Nothing like a restraunt full of unarmed victims. :banghead:

Technosavant
October 4, 2005, 10:56 AM
Mike...

I have yet to see a restaurant that has posted signs. Maybe some small single-store lunch spots in St. Louis City, but by and large, most places haven't put up signs. You still aren't supposed to carry in restaurants where 50% or more of their receipts are from alcohol sales, so be sure to ask to see the books. :D Actually, I just assume places that are primarily bars fall into that category, and other places (like Applebee's, etc.) do not.

rhkirk1
October 4, 2005, 01:05 PM
Just make sure you don't at the arch. It is a National Park and weapons are not allowed. I climbed all of the stairs up to the arch from the river and when I got to the door, they have a Xray to check you in. I had to run back down and up the stairs to leave my gun before I could go in.

Mongo the Mutterer
October 4, 2005, 01:19 PM
I have yet to see a restaurant that has posted signs. Bartolino's South on Lindbergh ... about 3 months ago.

Fortunately I saw the sign as I was leaving... :evil:

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