Tell me about CZ


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TeachMe
October 3, 2005, 12:26 PM
I searched in both this and the Autoloader forum but could not find any thread relating to the pros and cons of the CZ handguns. I am looking to get a 9mm and have always heard that Glocks are indestructible. After further research, I have also read that CZ 75's are also robust and considered one of the better combat handgun designs. For those of you with experience of either the CZ and/or the Glock, how do the two compare? The two I am looking at the most are the G19 and the CZ 85 Combat. Any useful input is greatly appreciated.

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Gary G23
October 3, 2005, 01:21 PM
The G19 and the CZ-85 are two totally different guns. The Glock has a plastic frame and four inch barrel, while the CZ has a steel frame and 4.7" barrel. The CZ is definitely heavier and bigger. As far as quality is concerned they are both good guns. I own four CZ's and prefer the grip angle of the CZ over the Glock. Another good 9mm to consider is the XD-9 Service.

mole
October 3, 2005, 01:24 PM
Yes, please give us your opinions. I am also interested in trying out a CZ handgun. I am interested in the 9mm and .40. Something tells me that armoredman is going to be all over this one.... :)

Thanks,
mole

Pietro Beretta
October 3, 2005, 01:26 PM
Glock = Plastic Frame (Polymer) =Lighter = More Felt Recoil
CZ85 = Steel Frame =Heaver = Less felt recoil

Glock = 4 inch barrel
CZ85 = 4.7inch barrel

Glock ="DAO"
CZ85 = SA/DA

Glock Made In= Austria
CZ Made In= Czech (hence the name CZ)

Go to your local gun shop if possible and hold both, choose wich ever feels better. Both are going to be a good firearm. Hard to compare these two guns because they are very different from each other.

TheEgg
October 3, 2005, 04:58 PM
Gee, that is strange, I did a search with just "CZ" in it and came up with 1,909 threads.

gwalchmai
October 4, 2005, 07:13 AM
My CZ75B broke its slide stop pin after only about 6,000 rounds of 9mm. I called the gunsmith and that sorry rascal had the nerve to ask me where I wanted the new pin sent. Wouldn't let me pay for it or even take the broken pin back. Now I'll probably have to put another 6,000 rounds through it.

I'd avoid CZ like the plague unless you want a reliable, accurate, and economical pistol that you can trust your life with.

(BTW, I don't currently own a Glock, but if I were to get one it would definitely be a 19.)

HD
October 4, 2005, 08:09 AM
everything else gets second shift ...
it works , only reason its there , my experiance with CZ has been nothing but positive ...
it gets shot more than all my other pistols combined ...

ruger270man
October 4, 2005, 08:47 AM
CZ makes great guns, way underrated, many people never even heard of the company.

donkee
October 4, 2005, 10:05 AM
CZ is usually ignored for the fact that they are a lower priced gun. Low priced = junk. You have to spend at least a grand on a pistol or you're an unwashed infidel with no taste. That said, I love my CZ75BD and wear the label of unwashed infidel with great pride. Mine has over 6000 rounds through it and not one hiccup. Get some 16rd MecGar mags (if the 85 uses the same as the 75) from http://arizonagunrunners.net/Products/mecgar/mecgar.html.

armoredman
October 4, 2005, 10:17 AM
:p Gee, Mole, at least I am consistant.... :p

I'll keep it simple, with a picture....
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b13/armoredman/G101avatarpic.jpg

PCRCCW
October 4, 2005, 10:25 AM
Well CZ's compare with Sigs, HK's, Glocks and every other top end gun made.
Ive owned them all and CZs are just great guns.........period.
Look at them seriously, rent one and shoot it if you can.......you wont be dissapointed.
Shoot well....

DirksterG30
October 4, 2005, 11:40 AM
I read this somewhere else, and I think it sums up my thoughts about CZs.

With CZ's, you're paying for the gun; with HK/Sig... you're paying for the name.

Here's my P-01:
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/dirksterg30/CZs/P-01fromsidewM-3SMALL.jpg

Riphalman
October 4, 2005, 04:37 PM
I held off getting a CZ 75 for many years. I was aware of their great reputation for strength and reliabilty and they aways felt good to my hand.

Recently I gave in and bought myself a new one and I'm not disappointed. I'd say that this CZ is as fine a service pistol as I've ever handled. Plenty accurate and totally reliable.

I wanted a nine, and for me it came down to Ruger P89 or 95, Glock or Springfield XD.....or the CZ.

I wasn't expecting CZ to come out on top. It just feels right to my hand and has a very proven track record to boot.

I highly recommend them.

briang2ad
October 4, 2005, 05:54 PM
and feel so good in the hand!

Marshall
October 4, 2005, 05:58 PM
I sure like them. I couldn't let this 9mm thread go on without a BHP recommendation. The gun the 9mm was made for, like peanut butter and jelly, Starsky and Hutch, bacon and eggs, the 9mm and BHP were made to go together. :D

atblis
October 4, 2005, 08:12 PM
especially when you consider cost (though they are sneaking up in price).

Second to none IMO.

People are caught up with names. I let my friends shoot my CZs and they can hit everything in sight with them, and then they still want to go out and pay more for something that won't shoot any better (Sig, Glock, HK etc.).

VG
October 5, 2005, 03:18 AM
I have an 85 Combat. The trigger is now OK after an expensive trigger job. But it is still not very accurate, despite having the barrel recrowned. The safety extension broke off but CZ has redesigned it and fixed it for free.

The interior finish machining is crude - it wouldn't be acceptable in any US made firearm. The painted finish holds up OK but again, is crude.

There are few holsters made for them although many report using Beretta 92 holsters with acceptable fit. You can find replacement sites with some difficulty. Aftermarket grips are pretty available. You can buy high capacity magazines for them fairly cheaply if that's important to you.

For the money there are many Smith & Wesson semiautos with better accuracy, finish, many many more accessories, and much better resale value. I bought a used S&W 3913 for $50 less than the CZ and now use it a lot more at the range.

Whatever you do, before you buy any handgun borrow or rent one and shoot it at the range and make sure it fits you well. Try and buy a used CZ locally if you are intent on one, you should be able to get a great deal.

wildehond
October 5, 2005, 05:44 AM
I had a CZ75 that I bought very second had. I put another 15000 rounds through it and sold it again. The new owner is very happy. It has the best grip on any handgun (for me). I currently own a 1911. We are allowed only one handgun so I had to choose one to do pins and for carry work. If I could get a license for one I shall buy it in a hardbeat.

I have only put about 1000 rounds through a G19.

The G19 is lighter and smaller for CC where the CZ is quite a bit heavier and a bit more bulky. However the G19 tends to be snappier on recoil. I could put 250 defence rounds through the CZ and not feel like I have shot. I was beginning to notice the G19 after about 150 rounds. (That is shooting fast. If you spread it over a afternoon you would probably not notice.) If I had to go in harms way the CZ would be my first choice. I would also search for a Pre-B model.

The metal used in the CZ's are very high grade and very hard. That is why the CZ's tend to have quite a bit of tooling marks on the inside. To keep the tools in the manufacturing sharp and in shape cost more the neater you want your work. The places where tooling matters on the gun it is done very well. The CZ is made for one thing, COMBAT. Thay are made to opperate in combat conditions first.

wildehond

1911 TERRY
October 5, 2005, 09:29 AM
Every time I let someone fire one of my CZ's, the first question they ask is. "Were can I get one of these"?

robertbank
October 5, 2005, 02:03 PM
I have an early CZ -85 which is accurate and dependable. THe sights on mine are the old style adjustables which are not all the easy to pick up and because of the way they are mounted in the slide cannot be changed to my knowledge. Great guns that Jeff Cooper once described as the best of the nines,

Wildehond - sent you an email over your signature line. Goes something like this:

Read your signature line. Canadians have been every major conflict including virtually all UN engagements over the past 100 years. Vietnam was a US debacle, we were in Iraq 1 and would not support Bush's fling in Irag 2 and we have been in Aftganistan since it's inception. Our Commando Units were part of the first ground troops involved and we still are there.

I don't think as a country we have anyting to apologise for when it comes to defending the free world - certainly does not compare with South Africa's moral high ground of the last 100 years but we try.

As a matter of interest we were also in South Africa somewhat earlier...
Stay Safe

eerw
October 5, 2005, 02:28 PM
Used to have G19 long time ago..felt it was a solid gun..was reliable and accurate enough for carry..

I now have a couple of CZs and am really pleased with them..I have had a couple of 75b and found them to be accurate and easy to shoot..I now have a CZ SP01 and really really love this gun..
a little extra heft..which doesn't bother me for carry, shoots easy, has been reliable with the couple of thousand rounds I got through it so far..

both are good guns..you will really need to get hold of both and handle and shoot them if possible..they point different than each other, they have a different feel and heft, etc.

NavajoNPaleFace
October 5, 2005, 02:40 PM
I think the G19 vs the CZ question is an unfair question.

Those die hards that think the Glock is the epitome of a hand gun will still believe it reardless of the comments for those who know the great attributes of the CZ line.

What I value is the opinion of those who have, or do, own both. They, in my opinion, are more qualified to judge both than those who just have one or the other.

I had both.

I'll stick with the CZ.

hartzpad
October 5, 2005, 03:14 PM
I love my CZ pistols, I even prefer them over 1911's in terms of ergonomics (and that is saying a lot, I love the 1911 design). I have 3 CZ's and hope to get more. My CZ-75 SP-01 is the softest recoiling, most accurate 9mm pistol I have tried.

http://images.snapfish.com/344%3B76%3A%3B23232%7Ffp64%3Dot%3E2334%3D%3A25%3D%3A49%3DXROQDF%3E2323%3B37465%3B6%3Aot1lsi

Kacerdias
October 5, 2005, 05:31 PM
+1 for CZ

I own 3 of them currently. I have a CZ-52, CZ-75B in .40 S&W, and a CZ-100 also in .40 S&W. The 52 is built like a tank. Though not very refined (it is a commie military gun after all...), it goes BANG when you pull the trigger.

The latter 2 pistols are quite nice and the CZ-75's are probably some of the best handguns period. Mine is accurate, well-made, stellar ergonomics, very tame recoil, eats any kind of ammo, and is rock solid reliable. Given the choice of any pistol to defend my life with the CZ-75B in .40 S&W would be it.

Does that answer your question? :)

wheelgunslinger
October 5, 2005, 06:21 PM
CZ. All the way. I trust them with my life.
I recently got shed of one of the new fangled ruger p345s. For just a hair more, I could've bought a CZ to begin with.

It's not that I don't like Glock, it's just that I like CZ more.

briang2ad
October 5, 2005, 06:28 PM
What was wrong with the P345?

TeachMe
October 5, 2005, 09:58 PM
Thanks for all the input! I will make sure to handle one and shoot one if possible. Maybe eventually I can have both and compare for myself :) If y'all want to continue the discussion feel free, but at least I know they are worth a serious look.

Woody_in_MN
October 5, 2005, 10:08 PM
TeachMe,

If you like the CZ, I have one for sale listed on the THR trade board. It is a CZ 75B 9mm Compact, nice nickel plating job, 2 14 round clips. I was asking $330.

- w

Pietro Beretta
October 5, 2005, 11:22 PM
I can shoot it better than my XD40 :scrutiny:

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=29602&stc=1

peteinct
October 6, 2005, 10:45 AM
Hi, Teach, I started with one cz ( a 75b) and now I have five! I'm not a fan of the way the glock trigger feels. The cz trigger is more traditional. On the 75b the frame is steel so it is heavier and soaks up the recoil more but it is harder to carry. However a buddy of mine couldn't hit anything with my cz but did fine with a glock, go figure.
I think comparing the two is almost an apples to oranges sort of thing. Try them first and you will find what's right for you.
pete

Dollar An Hour
October 6, 2005, 11:32 AM
What was wrong with the P345?

I'd like to know as well. :)

senior
December 2, 2005, 07:50 PM
i have a cz75 compact thats a real pleasure to shoot, very accurate, hardly any recoil (9mm) steel construction makes it a great shooter, also then bought the rami in 9mm and again hit the jackpot in sofar as reliability and fit, true ur pinky will curl under the mag, but u can use the full size 75 mag in it, plus buy a hicap with sleeve and gives the perfect addition to the grip! got them both new, all the paper work and such with 2 tens in the rami and a ten and 15 rd in the compact, all for under $400.00 each!!

Scarface
December 2, 2005, 08:14 PM
Hi Teachme,

I have the P01 and agree with all the positives sated here. Additionally, it has a rail, if you want to mount a light or laser. My gunsmith asked to shoot it,as he had never fired one before. He put 10 rounds into a1" group at 7 yards the first time he picked it up. What a pistol!

Armoredman, are those Hakan Pek grips? They are beautiful. My sons surprised me with grips something like those last Christmas. Nice boys.

Be Well,

Scarface

Redhat
December 3, 2005, 12:18 AM
Don't listen to the nay sayers about unfinished internals, lousy triggers, cheap exterior finish and so on. I have a 75B and for the $350 it cost brand new, I love it!

It won't replace my '70 series Colt's, but for a working gun I doubt it can be beat.

Accuracy - better than ANY semi-auto I've ever fired

Reliability - excellent (2000 rounds/no problems)

Ergonomics - superior to all but maybe the Browning (tied)

Finish - durable polycoat in flat black (theyoffer several other types too)

Trigger - DA as good or better than the vaunted SiG, SA excellent for a combat handgun

As for the poster who sang the praises of the S&W autos over the CZ...yeah right!

coylh
December 3, 2005, 02:57 AM
I carried a CZ75 for a while, but the firing pin broke after a year or so. I switched to SIG.

cz75bdneos22
December 3, 2005, 03:09 AM
i have a CZ 75bd in 9mm and a CZ40b in .40..they have been great handguns for the money i paid for them new..reliably boring, nice fit for me and easy on the wallet. what more can i ask for..i have them stock for now, but would consider a nice set of custom grips.

Nematocyst
December 3, 2005, 03:19 AM
I am looking to get a 9mm .... Any useful input is greatly appreciated. The criteria are: 1) 9mm; 2) Any input.

Given that, I'll suggest that you broaden your range of options.

With all due respect to the CZ et al, I humbly suggest that you look at a Kahr K9 (http://www.kahr.com/pistols_9mm.html).

IMO, one of the finest 9 mm made on Earth, at least as good as CZ
(says a guy who just bought one of the finest .22LR rifles, the CZ 452).

Ignore the P9. Go straight to the K9. Do not pass 'go'. Do not collect $200.

Nem

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=32153&stc=1&d=1133597910

cz75bdneos22
December 3, 2005, 03:50 AM
kinda looks like a Sig...what's it cost?

marklbucla
December 3, 2005, 04:12 AM
+1 for CZ

I have three CZs - The 75B, the PCR, and the RAMI + the Kadet Conversion kit. I have been 100% happy with all of them and have acquired them all at better prices than Glocks.

No matter what anyone here says, you need to go to a range and try out a Glock and a CZ or at least a similar type of DA/SA handgun. Glocks and CZs feel nothing alike and are totally different platforms.

For me, if I were to ever buy a Glock, it would have to be an amazing price. I will regret it later though, like I've regretted pretty much all my non CZ handgun purchases.

Average Joe
December 3, 2005, 01:43 PM
Best bang for the buck.

Nematocyst
December 3, 2005, 01:45 PM
kinda looks like a Sig...what's it cost? I'm not sure which one you're asking about, but since you posted immediately after me, I'll make an assumption. Just ignore this if the question wasn't to me.

The K9 was $520 a few months ago. That's an "elite", so they cost a couple cents more than a standard model. But they've now jumped in price. (I bought it because it was the only K9 in the store, and by then, ordering a new one, even a standard, was going to be more expensive.)

One thing: K9's are DAO. I wanted that. I like the consistency every pull is the same.

Teach me may have good reasons for only considering the two that he mentioned originally. Maybe he's looked at all the others and ruled them out.

If not, then I recommend at least considering a K9. They've gotten excellent reviews, including a number of threads on THR.

I liked it for all those reasons, plus it just fit my hand like a glove, better than anything else I picked up. (Then again, I didn't try a CZ; my store had none.)

Nem

Tomcat1066
December 3, 2005, 03:35 PM
Not long ago, I was looking for a quality, yet affordable, handgun. I had checked out Sig, Glock, XD, etc and each had their highs and lows. Then, a buddy at work asked me if I had thought about a CZ. As it turned out, I was looking at CZ's website and told him so.

The next day, my friend came in at told me he had found something I just had to see. It was a CZ 75B 9mm in satin nickel. It had some ugly wood grips, a porter barrel, two high cap magazines, and a stainless steel locking case for $325. I jumped on it, putting it on layaway right then and there, then came back the next payday and took it home. NO firearm had ever felt so great.

First, I like a heavy pistol. I like to keep recoil to a minimum and the weight sure helps with that. That with the porting helps.

Second, the ergonomics felt like the grip was made for just me. I honestly had no idea that a gun could feel that good in my hand.

Third, the only aftermarket parts I wanted was some new grips, and those are plentiful. Now I just have to decide what I want ;)

I can't recommend CZ enough!

Tom

mbs357
December 3, 2005, 04:51 PM
and feel so good in the hand!
I want it.
How hard is it to find a CZ-75 with thed rounded guard and hte spurred hammer?
The newer one is so ugly. =(

Ky Larry
December 3, 2005, 06:00 PM
I own a CZ-75BD 9mm, a CZ-75B in .40S&W and a satin nickel finish,a CZ PCR 9mm, and a CZ-83 .380 ACP with satin nickel finish. All have been 100% with any ammo I've fed them. I had a .40 S&W RAMI that wouldn't feed WWB reliably, but a ramp polish fixed it. The rest have been perfect for 1000's of rounds. My -75BD 9mm is the most accurate 9mm I have ever shot.
Try a Glock. If they work for you, they are good pistols. They just don't work for me. Good luck.

P.S. The trigger on the CZ will get better with use. The trigger on the Glock will still stink no matter how much you shoot it. How could such a smart group of engineers design such a good pistol with such a P.O.S. for a trigger?

huaco
December 3, 2005, 09:11 PM
My PCR is my favorite handgun. Accuracy beats all the others, never missed a lick, and it looks good and feels great in the hand. Not so easy to break down as my XD and Makarov but not really a problem.

chaim
December 3, 2005, 09:14 PM
Don't buy a CZ, steer clear. They are the biggest peices of crap on the planet.


:uhoh:
Come on guys, we really don't want more people buying them or prices will go up to match the quality. At the main store in the area that stocks them I've looked at them the other day for the first time in about a year and prices seem to be a good $30-100 (depending upon the model) over what they were when I last looked. Heck, a blued CZ 75B was only about $20-30 less than an FN HP. People are catching on to what great guns CZs are and we have to stall this

Stasher1
December 3, 2005, 09:57 PM
Is there a reason you're comparing the G19 to the larger CZ 85, and not one of the compact models? I think the G19 vs. CZ P-01 would be a better comparison.

I've got a P-01, 40P, and 40B and they're all fantastic. Well, the P-01 and the 40P are fantastic, I've never fired the 40B. The P-01 is the gun that typically goes everywhere with me while my more expensive (yet less reliable) guns sit in the safe.

I've never owned a Glock, but I've shot the 17, 23, 23C, 27, and 30. They're all great guns, but I just can't deal with that crappy trigger. If I wanted a trigger like that, I'd buy a Lorcin 9mm and save myself about $400. :barf:

marklbucla
December 3, 2005, 09:59 PM
Actually, maybe we'd better keep a wrap on this until we all get a chance at the SP-01! :evil:

CraigJS
December 3, 2005, 11:12 PM
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