CCW is fairly new here in Ohio. I often get into arguments with merchants about my rights as it pertains to entering an establishment with my concealed firearm. But today I was detained by the local law enforcment. A store that I buy a lot of stuff called the Sheriff's Office on me, because the cashier saw the handle of my 9mm when I was getting my wallet. I admit, I should have concealed it better, (however, the law states I dont have to if I wish not to...as long as I have a permit.) To start my story: The Ohio Revised Code states that "...carrying a concealed weapon can be prohibited by businesses that display a standardized sign at the entrance." But, these ignorant Anti Gunners did not display ANY notification of their intent to prohibit firearms at the entrance. They did have a sign at the cash register, also the on an entrance matt inside the store as you walk in. It has the standardized symbol embroidered on it with the verbage "NO GUNS". Who the H. E. double hockey sticks looks at the damn entrace mat in a store? After I had been in the store for over an hour, I come to the check-out and he sign was literly posted at every cash register, stuck to the mini-table that you would use to write a check or sign a receipt. The sign was the size of a business card and the words on it not legable. Of course, the police came as I was leaving. The merchant didnt even say anything to me. They ran my licence, and checked my credentials and gave me a whole lot of hell. They would not listen to my side of the story. I was in the right, they sign was not displayed at the entrace. After an hour of my time wasted that I could have been playing with my son, I went on my way...minus 20rounds if amunition and they made me disasemple my gun. This also comes from a damn anti-CCW Sheriff. They even know my I work for the Department of Youth Services as a Juvenile Corrections Officer (but I am not comissioned so I am basicly a glorified babysitter.), they still give me a hard time. AlsIf it would have been the township Police Department, they would have told the merchant to put up the correct sign and left it at that. I am just wondering if I have any sort of lawsuit against the Sheriff Office considering the political views of the Sheriff being anti-ccw and the fact they gave me such a hard time? Any views anyone?
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October 3, 2005, 09:50 PM
this might get better responses in the general forum, or something else outside of the technical area.
(normally i wouldn't say anything, however, i really like the non political nature of the technical fora)
October 3, 2005, 09:54 PM
I didnt realize that. Thanks.
October 3, 2005, 10:12 PM
I'm sure there must be prohibited businesses in Colorado, but must admit I've never seen one.
October 3, 2005, 10:13 PM
It may not be ideal (most of them are blatant compromises) but it beats the heck out of NO carry law at all. :p
For laws and practices in states other than my beloved Texas, my go-to starting place is Packing.Org. Their web site is cleverly situated at - -
Look on right-hand side of the page, at "Related Links," and find
"Buckeye Firearms Association." If anyone is pro-carry in your state, it'll be them. I'm not familiar with Ohio laws, but if they're the outfit that was a driving force in obtaining the law change, I'll bet they can provide some good information.
Best of luck
October 4, 2005, 02:12 AM
My friend, I must say to you "What???" Cinemark theatres are prohibited, for one. The problem with this law is that the signs are often very difficult to see, as the ones that I have seen are small. By the way, technically speaking, even the Firing Line is prohibited, if you read the sign on the door when you walk in there, although in talking to the guys that work there, they aren't terribly worried about it.
October 4, 2005, 02:47 AM
Roger that Timbo
Not to be a jerk or a scofflaw, but to my way of thinking small and or illegible signs consititute entrapment. Now they have a "right" to forbid you from carrying however they wouldn't know if the firearm in question was properly concealed. Please don't take this as a cheap shot, there have been a couple of times for me where I felt like there was a "close call" and the handle was printing really bad. I would take this as a learning opportunity. You now know that your current holster/ rig / carry method needs some evaluation. You should now also know that if you truly want to have the law on your side you'll need to call these establishments to find out their policy. BE AWARE THAT RETAIL EMPLOYEE'S RARELY KNOW THE LAW!!! Frankly, public ignorance on this issue is worse than many others. A portion of hunter's safety classes here in Colorado deals with how hunters should conduct themselves in public. The message that the public hears is often from the belligerant braggart who thinks that the only way to handle a political/social issue is by being confrontational, ignorant and rude. For this CCW holder, my permit is an extension of my duty as protector of my family. I'm sorry that the cops hassled you. Hopefully this whole thing won't happen again.