So I decied that my first first pistol will be a .22 pistol


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dxkj21
October 4, 2005, 12:43 AM
Then after I have introduced my wife to that pistol and shot a few hundred rounds at least, I would try to make a decision on a 9mm... and hopefully find a few more different 9's to shoot

Anyway, I need some help narrowing down the 22 pistols because Ive asked around and all I can find to fire is the Ruger MKII or III locally. Even if I narrowed it down to a MKIII there are so many models, and barrels (I even saw a 10" MKII for sale the other day!)


From what I've seen the MKIII is a very accurate pistol (I hit the X multiple times at 25yds and could tear the x out at closer ranges)


The Beretta Neos deluxe also caught my eye.... The Walther P22 looks ok as well. But I have no idea of their ability as a target pistol.

This 22 would be, for me, purely a target pistol, and for my wife home defense if I was ever not home... Im hoping after firing this a bit she will be able to fire a 9mm and not have it FTL/jam on her. Plus I wanted to start with something cheaper to shoot 2000 rounds of as I practice my stance, form, breathing, etc...


If anyone has any input it will be 200% appreciated :) thanks

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kahr404life
October 4, 2005, 01:08 AM
The CZ 75B 9mm has a .22Lr conversion slide. I bought my 9mm CZ for under $300.00 new at a gun show several years ago. I'm unsure how much the .22Lr CZ conversion cost but it can't be that much ($150.00?). She can practice with the .22Lr and when she's ready have the same platform in 9mm. The CZ 75B is a kick butt gun to boot :D .

Mulliga
October 4, 2005, 01:19 AM
I bought my 9mm CZ for under $300.00 new at a gun show several years ago.

That's a great deal. Most NIB CZ 75s will be more like $400. I got mine slightly used for $270 and I thought I was doing well.

($150.00?)

$200 to $250, more likely. I should be getting mine in the next couple weeks.

Ala Dan
October 4, 2005, 01:35 AM
Try to find a Browning Buckmark Plus to shoot~! :D

I think you will be pleasantly surprised. :)

kahr404life
October 4, 2005, 01:57 AM
Did you order the .22Lr conversion slide direct from CZ.

dxkj21
October 4, 2005, 02:04 AM
I was considering a 9mm 22lr conversion , but I want 2 pistols so my wife and I can be shooting at the same time... is the conversion something you can do at the range, shoot 50 9mm, convert to 22, shoot 50, and then back?

TimboKhan
October 4, 2005, 02:31 AM
as far as I know, you could switch back and forth like that, although it wouldn't necessarily be the fastest alternative. Anyhoo, I was gonna say, like anything, there are Ruger lovers/haters, Browning lovers/haters and so on, but there are a TON of Walther haters. The main complaint with those guns is that they are jam-o-matics unless you use high velocity ammo. You can search the high road and find the reviews on them, and I don't think you will be impressed. I happen to be a big, big Ruger fan, so of course I recommend the MkII (or III), but I have also shot Buckmarks happily. I don't know much about the NEOS, but I do think the cast that you can buy a carbine kit for them is very, very cool....

dxkj21
October 4, 2005, 10:11 AM
Yeah I fired the MKII or III (forgot to check how many I there were) and it was a beauty, great accuracy easy to fire, no jams in 50 rounds (and this is a range gun)

pauli
October 4, 2005, 10:24 AM
if you can, i recommend that you also check out a sig trailside. best semi auto 22 i've tried yet.

foghornl
October 4, 2005, 10:26 AM
Never owned a "conversion kit" for any of my autos, so I have no comment.

However, for "Fun Gun" and easy to shoot training purposes, I have both a MK II Ruger and a {gasp!} Single-Six revolver. Plus, the Single-Six has the .22 Mag cylinder when I want a bit more oomph! without going to a center-fire round.


:D :D :D :D is the order of the day with either gun.

nero45acp
October 4, 2005, 11:14 AM
The Ruger MKII is a very nice .22LR pistol. (I have no experience with the newer MKIII) HOWEVER, some people have considerable difficulty re-assembling the MKII after field-stripping and cleaning. Carefully following the instruction manual.

Ruger Manuals (http://www.ruger-firearms.com/Firearms/SE-InstructManualsP.html)

Ruger MKII Forum (http://www.markii.org/index.php)

Ruger MKII Dis/Re-assembly Instructions (http://www.1bad69.com/ruger/field_strip_quick.htm)

nero

dxkj21
October 4, 2005, 11:34 AM
The trailside looks nice but a bit pricey...

One other thing I was wondering, beyond the 200-400 22 pistols, what are the cheap $100 22 pistols like?

nero45acp
October 4, 2005, 11:41 AM
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"....what are the cheap $100 22 pistols like?"






nero

dxkj21
October 4, 2005, 11:51 AM
Yeah I figured as much....


So at this point I feel like Im about 80% settled on one of the ruger MKII or MKIII.... but there are a ton to choose from. I plan on using this for target practice so Im guessing I NEED a model with adjustable sights.... I will go with a BL over an SS just to save some $$, but the part Im stuck on is deciding which barrel length to go with... Im assuming the longer barrel models are supposed to be more accurate? Size isnt an issue in this case because It wont be a CCW.

Any advice on that? Ive seen these ranging from 4" to 10" and I think the 5-7" models might be the best compromise.

pauli
October 4, 2005, 12:20 PM
The trailside looks nice but a bit pricey... it's worth it.

axmurderer
October 4, 2005, 12:39 PM
Ruger

dxkj21
October 4, 2005, 01:47 PM
Just simply saying the trailside is worth it doesnt give me a whole lot of motivation :)

I just spent 2 hours going through all the 22 threads i could find and most people seem to prefer the Rugers and the Buckmarks, with a small loyal populace liking or hating the neos

ghost squire
October 4, 2005, 02:02 PM
Here are some things to ponder, that is not often covered in these frequent conversations.

What grip do you use on a combat handgun? I use high hold, and thumbs almost touching the slide. Unfortunately, on the Buckmark that I bought, this grip is literally impossible. A variety of annoyingly protruding controls are in the way, and in addition I accidentally engage the safety every other shot with this grip, making the trigger pull either very hard or impossible. This will likely have dangerous implications in the future, I'm worried about the safety just wearing away.

The trigger is very good on the gun though, and is accurate.

However my vote must go to the Ruger 22/45 and SIG Trailside, as both have controls very similar to most modern handguns out there, all the better to train with.

If you are going to use a 1911 or handgun with controls where they are on a 1911, get the Ruger, if you are going to get a Beretta, SIG or handgun with controls where they are on the Trailside, get that.

They are both very very good guns for the money. I personally don't wish to support a company started by a sellout traitor like Ruger was so my pick is the trailside.

I have no recommendation for you if all you do is plink, but if you plan on buying a combat-oriented handgun in the future, you would do well to pick one of those two choices.

Working Man
October 4, 2005, 02:27 PM
+1 for Ruger

dxkj21
October 4, 2005, 02:51 PM
Yes, this gun will be purchased .5 - 3 months before I pick up my 9mm I want for home defense.... the 9mm choice was getting closer, but I want to get a gun that I can get some experience with first and pass on to my wife as I upgrade to the 9mm


Thanks for your input.... Any input on the 4 vs 6 vs 10 inch ruger barrels?

TimboKhan
October 4, 2005, 02:59 PM
The MkII CAN be hard to reassemble, if you don't follow the directions, and thats no lie. Follow the directions in the manual though, its not difficult at all.

dxkj21
October 4, 2005, 03:14 PM
How often do i need to disassemble/reassemble the ruger?

I have heard that the browning is easier to put together/take apart.... but unless its going to take up a large portion of my life....


still good to know.

Safety First
October 4, 2005, 08:31 PM
I hope to buy a Ruger new single six soon, handled one in the local gun store couple of weeks ago. It felt solid and I wanted something I could shoot .22 Win mags from the same gun. Should be a great plinker/close range varmint pistol and one I can teach my wife and grand children to shoot.

mole
October 4, 2005, 09:28 PM
I had the same idea you did. I chose a Ruger 22/45 with a 5 1/2 inch stainless steel bull barrel. The 22/45 is the same as the mark II only it has a different grip and, therefore, different magazine. The 22/45 fit my hand better but some don't like it as much as the mark II.

I have shot the Walther, Berretta, Ruger 22/45, and Winchester 42 quite a bit. The Walther performs fairly well, but I have read that this a hit and miss type thing. The Berretta is very picky about ammo and the least accurate and hardest to grip. The Ruger and Winchester have both performed flawlessly and are both quite accurate.

The only time the Ruger or Winchester had a problem is when they were not cleaned after several shooting trips. The Winchester would fail to fire and the Ruger would fail to eject. After a good cleaning they were as good as new. Heck I've only cleaned the Ruger twice and who knows how many rounds have been through it. I would clean it more if it was easier to disassemble and reassemble, but that would probably get easier with practice. I would recommend the Ruger since it is cheaper and it and its parts are more readily available. When my father goes out of town I lend my mother my Ruger 22/45 and she is very content with it.

A friend of mine bought a Ruger 22/45 with a 3 or 3 1/2 inch bull barrel. He sold his before I got mine and I never shot his. He claims that my 5 1/2 inch barrel is more accurate than his was. The longer barrels seemed to me like they would get in the way. The 5 1/2 inch might be the way to go if you are thinking of just shooting for pleasure and not competition.

mole

dxkj21
October 4, 2005, 09:35 PM
yeah I definitely think the 10" would be overkill....

right now Im having a hard time choosing between ruger and browning... I can get both locally for 2-300$ but still cant find anywhere locally to test fire the browning.

Texfire
October 5, 2005, 01:17 AM
I'll make an arguement for the Buckmark. I have one and love it. Also, though this was a total coincidence, my choice in 9mm was a used Browning BDM. So the grip shapes of the two firearms were very close, which I think aided a smooth transition. I find that the grip angle of the Ruger is rather extreme, so you might find that the Buckmark will allow a smoother transition.

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