What's the most regrettable firearm purchase you've ever made?


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Akira13
October 4, 2005, 06:35 PM
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garrett1955
October 4, 2005, 06:38 PM
havent had a bad one yet!!! lets keep on rollin.

mustanger98
October 4, 2005, 07:01 PM
I'm waiting on sombody to say it was their first one because they've been hooked ever since. :neener: :cool:

aerod1
October 4, 2005, 07:45 PM
I bought two FIE revolvers chambered in 38 special. These are junk made of pot metal and old bent beer cans. I gave $75.00 each for these little jewels, new in the box. Do they shoot? Yes. Are they accurate? Silly question...Of course not!
I need my butt kicked. I bought these years ago and have been kicing my own butt ever since.

Jim

Declaration Day
October 4, 2005, 07:52 PM
I bought a Walther G22 on impulse. It's not particularly fun to shoot, and it spits burning powder onto my hand. I never use it, and wish I 'd never bought it.

Ala Dan
October 4, 2005, 08:00 PM
The first one, because it was an inexpensive Rohm "Burgo" model 8-shot
.22LR snub nose revolver that I bought from the old K-Mart store for a
total of $42.50 OTD~! :uhoh: Boy, what a P.O.S. :D

No, I don't have it any more~! :barf: It now resides in South Carolina
with my father in-law (Laughing Loudly :D )

Devonai
October 4, 2005, 08:14 PM
A pre-Kahr Auto-Ordnance 1911A1. Even after a long and sincere effort the thing could not be made to fire reliably.

R.H. Lee
October 4, 2005, 08:29 PM
A Mini 14. I don't know what I was thinking. The miniscule caliber, the thin barrel, lack of reliable mags over 5 rds. It seemed like a good idea at the time, but I was glad to get rid of it.

aerod1
October 4, 2005, 08:30 PM
Devonai,

I have a pre Kahr Auto Ordnance 1911A1 that has functioned flawlessly since day one. I also have a Colt and Springfield loaded and have had no problems with any of my 1911 style pistols.

Jim

Werewolf
October 4, 2005, 08:31 PM
Bushmaster XM15E2S 20" Fluted Barrel. Failed out of the box with bad ejector and over torqued barrel. Sent to BM. They fixed the ejector problem (took a month) but did not address the over torqued barrel problem (rear sight almost all the way to the right). :mad:

Bushmaster SUCKS!

[soup NAZI voice] No more bushmaster for me...

From now on I'll stick with Armalite, RRA and (yeah sneer if ya want) Olympic Arms.

Had a bad experience with a Taurus Raging Bull in .44Mag but Taurus doesn't have the rep BM does (IOW - I half way expected problems when I bought the thing) and the RB only cost $420 as opposed to the $900 for the BM.

I hold a grudge against piss poor quality for a long, long time (maybe it comes from having run a QA group for a medical equipment manufacturer - high quality isn't that hard to achieve and in the long run it reduces manufacturing costs).

bpisler
October 4, 2005, 08:42 PM
Marlin tube fed 22 rifle,jammed
on all kinds of ammo more than
fired.No better after being
sent to marlin.

Remington 597 22 rifle,jammed
more than the marlin and it was
new,tried different ammo and 6
mags.Total piece of crap.

ken w.
October 4, 2005, 08:46 PM
I collect rimfires and a friend called me and said his buddy had an old Mossberg he was selling for $100.00.I bought it without looking and it was the nastiest looking piece of junk ever.All the parts were missing,stocked cracked and rusted to heck.And my friend paid him cash,as is.Oh well. :(

f4t9r
October 4, 2005, 09:02 PM
walther P22 mine was junk
I also made the mini 14 mistake - agree with everything R.H. Lee said

Dionysusigma
October 4, 2005, 09:07 PM
A Winchester 1911SL.

"A real, 12ga shotgun?"

"That's old and 'collectible'?"

"And it's an autoloader?!?"

Heck yeah! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Rexrider
October 4, 2005, 10:32 PM
Jennings .22

Not because it does not work, it does. I have never even cleaned it since I bought way back when and it won't stop working.

It is regrettable because of the sheer embassment from owning the darn thing. :o

Standing Wolf
October 4, 2005, 11:03 PM
Ruger Mark II .22 caliber pistol. I'll never buy anything from that @#$%^&! company again.

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CannonFodder
October 4, 2005, 11:06 PM
The only ones I regret are the ones I haven't made. :cool:

NHBB
October 4, 2005, 11:20 PM
SA stainless 1911... sorry but I feel I don't have to buy a $500+ gun out of the box and "fine tune" it right to make it work. would jam after every 50 rounds or so... I sold it to a good fellow who was interested in making it work, who I also sold a perfect G26 with no wear to it that never malfunctioned, if I am going to sell a firearm I make it quite clear the reason why I desire to get rid of it.

I also got a CZ52 from AIM that has a plethora of problems and spent hours researching an trying to fix it for a 100 dollar gun, didnt even work out of the box... I offered FREE in the sale of the 1911, and he still didn't want it lol... its just sitting in the safe collecting dust. you want it? 50 bucks plus shipping... I am sure the right person can make it a precious gun, but I dont like to tinker... I would rather take my p-32 for CCW than that block of crap. pm me if you want this junker, lol

mustanger98
October 5, 2005, 12:15 AM
Ruger Mark II .22 caliber pistol. I'll never buy anything from that @#$%^&! company again.

Did you send it back with an explanation of the problem and give them the opportunity to make it right? They're supposed to fix 'em. FWIW, I have a 22/45 that's never missed a beat, runs clean or dirty. That's the Mkll action too.

Old Fud
October 5, 2005, 12:50 AM
Bought it because it looked so cute. Thought it would be fun.
Damned thing is a FTF Saga!!!!
I've had roughly 1000 rounds through it so far and am still looking for something it will be reliable with.
Sorriest $280 I ever spent.

Tree57
October 5, 2005, 12:59 AM
Bought a Star firestar in 40S&W a few years back, very accurate, feels great in my hand. Now,if I could get at least one magazine to cycle through the weapon I would be a very happy man.I bought a new mag.,still no go.I may have to break down and send it to a gunsmith.

Sylvilagus Aquaticus
October 5, 2005, 01:13 AM
I regret buying a really decent Walther P38 (byf marked) back in the 80's a couple of months before several container-loads of really nice ones hit the docks...that retailed for about $125 less than I had in mine.

Can you say 'sponge bath'? I knew that you could. The market on P38's hasn't really come back until recently, except for those that came over here with capture papers. Mine didn't have any, of course.

At least I ain't my brother. He bought an RG.

Regards,
Rabbit.

Travis McGee
October 5, 2005, 01:44 AM
Unlike the Mark II's, I have an old Ruger SM Mark I (blued, 6" tapered, fixed sights) that shoots like a demon. Better than a target pistol. I'll never give up that gun! Don't know what happened to the Mark II's.

My Ruger Mini-14 is okay for what it is: a fun lead slinger that beats any pistol hands down out to 150 yards. Is it a tack driver? No.

Worst gun: AMT .380 Backup. Couldn't ever get that thing right. Nice compact design, just couldn't get it to fire 50 times in a row without a problem. Tried everything.

Moparmike
October 5, 2005, 01:46 AM
My first. EAA Witness 10mm. I can rarely get through a whole mag without a glitch of some sort. Its better with the original recoil spring though.


Did I mention how it makes my wrist hurt for 2 days after 50rds, and how the thing barely holds a 8x11 peice of paper at 7yds when I can put a mag full in the area of a playing card with a 1911 all day long? :mad:

cracked butt
October 5, 2005, 02:04 AM
Remington 597lawyertriggerjammomatic :barf:

c_yeager
October 5, 2005, 02:39 AM
Remington 597lawyertriggerjammomatic

Hey me too!

Dont forget the wonderfull all-plastic construction complete with a nice seem running along the center of the whole damn rifle and the "free-floated" stock that contacts the barrel along its entire length. Im not sure if the self-ejecting magazine is a feature or not, typically i like to fire all the rounds in the mag before i eject it so i guess its not all that handy. Dont forget the occasional short strokes that result in a chambered round but NOT a cocked hammer (thats my favorite kind of malfunction; line up the sites, squeeze.........squeeze more.......what the hell?).

I will say that if i can stomach the horrible construction of the weapon and put out of mind the 80% likelyhood that it wont actually function at any given point that it puts the holes pretty close together.

All in all, the final judgement is that its $30 less than the 10/22 and half the gun, which is really saying something since the factory-stock 10/22 isnt exactly a work of art.

cracked butt
October 5, 2005, 03:09 AM
Jeez, C_Yeager, did you buy yours new or did you buy it off a 'lightly used' rack? If it was the latter it might have been the rifle I owned. Was the plastic stock an ugly gray color too? Did the metal finish look almost like Krylon spray paint except that it did nothing to inhibit rust?

All in all, the final judgement is that its $30 less than the 10/22 and half the gun, which is really saying something since the factory-stock 10/22 isnt exactly a work of art.

Lol. So true.

FallenAngel
October 5, 2005, 09:33 AM
I think my worst purchase was my S&W Model 29 .44 mag revolver. Not because it is bad, because it is not. The problem is, every time I go to the range, I love shooting it so much I tend to spend $40-$60 in ammo for it alone!

I need to start reloading....

BryanP
October 5, 2005, 09:43 AM
Enfield No.4 Mk2 from a table at a gun show. Turned out to be unsafe to fire. The seller at the gun show told me I'd have to talk to the importer. The importer said I'd have to talk to the seller. So I was out $150.

I bought a No.4 Mk1* from a fellow THR member that's not as pretty as the Mk2 but it works. The Mk2 sits in the closet. Maybe I'll make it a thief-bait gun. :)

I bought a used FEG PJK-9HP that turned out to have a truly awful trigger. It was cheap and a quick trip to the gunsmith fixed it. It's a good little shooter now.

The only gun I've ever sold is a Rexxio single-shot .45LC/.410 pistol. After firing a few boxes of ammo it developed the odd trait that I could only cock the hammer with the barrel pointed up in the air. Straight on or pointed down it wouldn't move back. The only reason I bought it in the first place is a friend of mine REALLY needed the cash and he wouldn't just take a gift so I bought that POS from him.

MarineTech
October 5, 2005, 10:05 AM
I know that many people have had great luck with them, but for me, the two times I bought a firearm with Taurus on the side were very regrettable experiences. They became even more regrettable when I tried dealing with the Taurus "Customer Service" department.

There will never be a third opportunity for me.

armoredman
October 5, 2005, 10:20 AM
Astra A-100 45 ACP. Could not hit the broadside of a barn with that ugly jammamatic. Many years ago, thankfully.

imechura
October 5, 2005, 10:21 AM
My most regrettable purchase to date was the H&K USPc .40 for which I gave a hefty sum of 600.00 + shipping + FFL for.

To make a long story short after about 1500 rounds I traded it to someone for a used G19. Even at a 200.00 loss I believe I came out ahead.

Do you wonder why H&K charges so much for their pistols? Because they know that after you purchase one and witness their poor quality, unavailable parts, and complete lack of customer service it will be the last one you ever buy.

Just my opinion though, your experiences may differ.

Yanus
October 5, 2005, 10:38 AM
Pre Kahr Auto-Ordnance M1911A1 in 10mm. It absolutely, positively would NOT feed...... What a piece of trash! :fire:

Yanus

Colt
October 5, 2005, 10:38 AM
Most regretted is S&W 1911SC. Bought it when it first hit the market, $750. Shot great, never jammed, and I was impressed by all the built-in features, but the workmanship was subpar, IMO. Grips kept lossening up, and it wasn't the screws, it was the "nuts" in the frame that the screws go into. After about 600 rounds, the inside of the end of the barrel started to "flake" outwards. There would be sharp little flakes of metal around the inside of the muzzle, protruding past the end of the barrel. I've seen other used SC1911's in shops, and they also exhibited this.

Sold it for $500 6 months after I bought it. (and was glad to be rid of it)

Have since become a Kimber fan, with no regrets at all.

PaladinX13
October 5, 2005, 11:24 AM
Right now, it's my new Ruger 10/22. I bought it on the principle that everyone oughta have one, but I just don't find it all that fun to shoot. Slow to load, not particularly accurate, a little finicky about ammo, jams more than any of my other guns, etc. Don't really see the point in sinking more money into it just to make it do what my other rimfires already can. Maybe I'll learn the joy of tinkering with it later or it'll get better after a longer break-in period....

iamkris
October 5, 2005, 11:38 AM
Here's the list of firearms I've purchased and sold...crappy ones first

· Witness P, .45 ACP - innaccurate, jam-o-matic
· FEG P9M 9x19mm - inaccurate, crappy trigger, loose slide
· S&W 1917 .45 ACP - sold during a stupid, low money period of my life...wish I had it back
· Browning Hi-Power P35 9mm - sold during a stupid, low money period of my life...wish I had it back
· AMT Longslide .45 ACP - nothing wrong with it, just didn't need it after I got out of pin shooting
· Ruger 10/22 .22 LR - sold during a stupid, low money period of my life...wish I had it back
· Ruger 44 Deerslayer .44 Mag - sold during a stupid, low money period of my life...wish I had it back
· Remington 700ADL .22-250 - nothing wrong with it, just didn't need it after I got out of varmit shooting
· Winchester 94 .30-30 - sold during a stupid, low money period of my life...wish I had it back
· Remington 870 20 ga - will eventually regret selling this
· HK G3 (Century C91), 7.62x51mm - nothing wrong with it, just didn't like the rifle itself
· Mauser 98k, 7.92x57mm - nothing wrong with it, just found a better specimen

And the only one I own that is not living up to my expectations is my CZ V-22 .22 LR upper for my M4-gery. The barrel is incredibly accurate but the magazines (I have 3) won't feed for crap.

gulogulo1970
October 5, 2005, 11:45 AM
I've generally been pretty happy with most of my guns, except for a Davis 22LR Derringer, bad, bad, bad.

You don't know the courage it took just to admit to buying that piece of crap.

GunGoBoom
October 5, 2005, 12:22 PM
Only really crappy gun I've had was a Mitchell Arms bolt rifle in .22 mag - would misfire (light strikes I guess) 1 or 2 rounds out of a 5-rd magfull, and shot patterns, not groups. Beyond that, nothing terrible, but a few iffy propositions:

1. Llama 1911 in 9x19mm - gun worked great. Only reason it's a 'regret' is because I paid WAY too much for it (young and dumb). Sold it when I needed $ in college - shoulda kept it.

2. NAA mini-revolver - neat gun but terribly inaccurate - couldn't reliably hit a 10" pie plate at THREE yards. Sold.

3. multiple Glock pistols - overall pretty good but the problem I had with (some of) them was a too-sensitive mag release button/spring. Sold all but 1.

4. Taurus Mil Pro - same problem as the Glocks (mag release too weak). Otherwise fantastic pistol. Sold.

5. Ruger P85 (I think - not totally sure on the model) - would not always go fully into battery, even when clean. Sold.

jefnvk
October 5, 2005, 01:20 PM
Haven't dones anything too stupid yet. Biggest screwup I've done, IMHO, is getting the stainless 1911 over the parked one.

Old Dog
October 5, 2005, 01:27 PM
Kel-Tecs. Not once, but twice ... After getting suckered into buying a P-40, I just couldn't believe any manufacturer could actually produce such a piece of dung ... so I tried the P-11 ... and it was worse, both in terms of reliability and accuracy. Never before or since have I had pistols that experienced one part after another breaking ... or that wouldn't shoot unless cleaned after shooting only one mag ...

Darth Ruger
October 5, 2005, 01:38 PM
Iver Johnson Cadet 55 S, a .22LR eight-shot revolver. The serial number indicates it was made in the late 1940's. I bought it on a whim for $40, so it didn't really hurt financially. I saw it in the cabinet and thought it would be fun to clean it up and use it for plinking. WRONG!

It works, but there is too much rust inside to make it smooth. If I reduce the trigger pull weight (via the adjusting screw in the bottom of the grip) to make it shootable, the hammer won't fall with enough force to fire the cartridge. Increase it to make it fire and you have to deal with an 85 lb. trigger pull. And it would be more accurate if I threw it.

On the flip side, research showed it's the exact same model that an 18 year old Bosnian Serb named Gavrilo Princip used to assasinate Austrian Archduke Franz Ferdinand in Sarajevo on June 28, 1914, which resulted in Word War I. So I guess it has some historical significance, but other than that, it's worthless.

Who says a .22 pistol can't change the world? :D

Hutch
October 5, 2005, 01:38 PM
Charter Explorer II pistol. It's the handgun version of the AR-7 survival rifle. About the size a small briefcase, but without the ergnomics. No holster was ever made for it. Cap guns had better triggers. What was I thinking???? I guess the vaguely Broomhandle-like look took me down.

ccw007
October 5, 2005, 04:20 PM
I bought a Remington 597 5 years ago with the nice laminated stock and the bull barrel. It was NIB and was a jamomatic that went back to Remington a few times and still fails one shot every magazine at least. It is so bad I will not sell to anyone nor give it to them in fear of it malfunctioning and causing injury to them. I found some fixes that matches my problems on another forum, which included replacing the extractor. I just did that this week and if it does not work, I see visions of a Ruger.

Edit to Add: Needless to say I will never buy another Remington product again.

1911user
October 5, 2005, 07:09 PM
Over a decade ago, I bought a used Charter Arms made AR-7 for $35. That POS wouldn't feed for anything and I happily sold it a few weeks later for $20.

The other mistake was a Jennings J-22 bought new about the same time. I fired 100-150 rounds through it and it became a jam-o-matic. I actually returned it to the store for a refund (as defective) and got the money back.

I learned a lesson on low quality firearms and avoid them now.

jefmad
October 5, 2005, 07:19 PM
Most regretted is S&W 1911SC. Bought it when it first hit the market, $750. Shot great, never jammed, and I was impressed by all the built-in features, but the workmanship was subpar, IMO. Grips kept lossening up, and it wasn't the screws, it was the "nuts" in the frame that the screws go into. After about 600 rounds, the inside of the end of the barrel started to "flake" outwards. There would be sharp little flakes of metal around the inside of the muzzle, protruding past the end of the barrel. I've seen other used SC1911's in shops, and they also exhibited this.

Sold it for $500 6 months after I bought it. (and was glad to be rid of it)

Have since become a Kimber fan, with no regrets at all.

Thats funny. You get one guess who makes Kimber frames and slides.

P.S. It isn't Kimber

EmGeeGeorge
October 5, 2005, 07:27 PM
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Gavrilo Princip in prison cell in Theresienstadt
This picture was at one time believed to show Princip's arrest. It was later confirmed that it actually depicted the arrest of a passerby who tried to save Princip from being lynched. It is also interesting, that the passerby here shown, was a German by nationality.Gavrilo Princip (Гаврило Принцип) (July 25, 1894 – April 28, 1918) was a Bosnian Serb nationalist who killed Franz Ferdinand, Archduke of Austria, and his wife Countess Sophie in Sarajevo on June 28, 1914, prompting the Austrian action against Serbia that led to World War I. Born in Obljaj, Bosansko Grahovo, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Princip was a member of the group Young Bosnia (Mlada Bosna), and it is thought by some that he was a member of the Black Hand though this latter is not true.

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Assassination
On June 28, 1914 Gavrilo Princip participated in the assassination in Sarajevo. General Oskar Potiorek, Governor of the Austrian provinces of Bosnia-Herzegovina had invited Archduke Franz Ferdinand and Sophia to watch his troops on maneuvers. Franz Ferdinand knew that the visit would be dangerous. Just before 10 o'clock on Sunday, the royal couple arrived in Sarajevo by train. In the front car was Fehim Curcic, the Mayor of Sarajevo and Dr. Gerde, the city's Commissioner of Police. Franz Ferdinand and Sophia were in the second car with Oskar Potiorek and Count von Harrach. The car's top was rolled back in order to allow the crowds a good view of its occupants, Franz Ferdinand and his wife.

At 10:10 A.M., when the six car procession passed the central police station, a nineteen year old Black Hand terrorist named Nedeljko Cabrinovic hurled a hand grenade at the archduke's car. After Cabrinovic's bomb missed the Archduke's car, five other conspirators, including Gavrilo Princip, failed to get an opportunity to attack because of the heavy crowds. To avoid capture, Nedjelko swallowed a cyanide pill and jumped into the nearby river, but was hauled out and detained by police. It was beginning to look like the assassination would fail. However, Franz Ferdinand decided to go to the hospital and visit the victims of Cabrinovic's bomb. In order to avoid the city centre, General Oskar Potiorek decided that the royal car should travel straight along the Appel Quay to the Sarajevo Hospital. However, Potiorek forgot to inform the driver, Franz Urban, about this decision. On the way to the hospital, Urban took a right turn into Franz Joseph Street.

Gavrilo Princip had gone into Moritz Schiller's cafe for a sandwich, having apparently given up, when he spotted Ferdinand's car as it drove past, having taken the wrong turn. After realizing the mistake, the driver put his foot on the brake, and began to back up. In doing so he moved slowly past the waiting Gavrilo Princip. Gavrilo Princip stepped forward, drew his gun, and at a distance of about five feet, fired several times into the car. Franz Ferdinand was hit in the neck and Sophia in the abdomen. Sophia, who was later found to be with child at the time of her death, died instantly. Ferdinand, who in disbelief of her death insisted that she wake up, fainted within five minutes and died soon after.

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Capture and imprisonment
Princip tried to kill himself first by ingesting cyanide, and then with his gun, but he vomited the poison (which Cabrinovic had also done, leading the police to believe the group had been deceived and bought a much weaker poison), and the gun was wrestled from his hand before he had a chance to fire another shot. Having been too young at the time of the assassination (19) to face the death penalty, Princip received the maximum sentence of twenty years in prison, where he was held in harsh conditions worsened by the war. He died of tuberculosis of the bone on April 28, 1918 at Theresienstadt.

The gun used by Princip was a Browning M 1910 semi-automatic pistol in 7.65×17mm (.32 ACP) caliber. It was recently found and recovered in the home of an Austrian Jesuit family, and is now in display at the Vienna Museum of Military History. The second bullet fired by Princip, killing Ferdinand, is stored as a museum exhibit in the Konopište Castle near the town of Benešov, Czech Republic.

Darth Ruger
October 5, 2005, 08:21 PM
Well, this was a few years ago when I got this information. I don't know what I did with it, I'll have to dig around and see if I can find it again. If my information turns out to be wrong, don't worry, I already said the gun is worthless anyway. It's not like I'm trying to pass it off as a rare piece of history and sell it to a collector for a million dollars, so it's not necessary to throw it in my face like that.

By the way, welcome to the forum.

Wags
October 5, 2005, 08:35 PM
CETME .308 battle rifle. It was an earlier one that was supposed to be the better of the batches. Either it needs broken in (bought 4 yrs ago) or it's a boat anchor. Bought different mags last year but still haven't tried them yet. First semi-auto rifle I ever purchased that FTF or FTE. Never buy another one.

FXR
October 5, 2005, 09:06 PM
Davis derringer in .22 Magnum. It functioned flawlessly. Just an utterly useless tool for anything. I cut it up in pieces and threw it out.

K

thadoger
October 5, 2005, 09:33 PM
A M-1 Garand with a C.A.I. receiver. It cost me about $450 total. I suppose I could use it as a parts gun for the Springfield one i plan on buying in the future.

xd9fan
October 5, 2005, 09:46 PM
Remington 870 Express.....what a piece of &^&$#...even after cleaning and filing....jam jam jam. took me 3 three years to come back to Remington......bought a 870 Marine magnum and its been love ever since.

EmGeeGeorge
October 6, 2005, 11:09 AM
Sorry 'bout that... I wasn't trying to throw it in your face. Just realized after I pasted the article how long it was, and when I did the highlight and color selection, went too big on the font; My computer didn't show how it looked, it just had the Java/html speak until I posted it... (I have a 55a cadet in 32 s&w long by the way) I have alot of what one would call junk guns... I also have rugers, glocks, smiths... (I'm particular to foreign autos... eastern pact stuff mostly) One of these junk guns is a h&r 922 with a 6 inch barrel... tack driver.... ugly, brown plastic grip'd monster, but the rabbits who would otherwise reap havoc on my fruit trees have paid a dear price to .22 cb shorts, and my cats have feasted accordingly... it was $80 dollars at a gun show...
I got two zavasta 70's in 32 auto for $99 each... accurate, function good, and neat looking...

regrets? an argentine hi-power... an intertec tec 22 which I though would be fun, but couldn't shoot 3 rounds without jamming or blowing the top-cover off...(I shouldn't even put that one down, but the first step in healing is admitting your mistakes...)

Darth Ruger
October 6, 2005, 12:31 PM
No problem, no harm done.

Is your Cadet as worthless as mine? :D

ebd10
October 6, 2005, 01:43 PM
1. Remington 522 Viper. A good idea, poorly executed. It pointed well and handled well, but I couldn't get past the 25 pound trigger pull
2. Charter Arms Bulldog Pug. A 19 oz. .44SPL It recoiled so hard that it would unseat the bullets, causing them to protrude from the front of the cylinder, making it impossible to operate
3. Taurus 85. A miserable POS that turned me against Taurus for all time. It fired approximately %50 of the time, and the cylinder was actually cut crooked. Sending it back to Brazil would have cost almost as much in time and hassle as the gun itself. I traded it along with some other stuff for a Winchester 94.

CentralTexas
October 6, 2005, 01:53 PM
it was a"gateway" firearm that led to a long and expensive addiction.
CT :p

Magnum Mike
October 6, 2005, 02:07 PM
I can't say that I regeretted it, but in 1993, I bought a brand new Ruger Mini-14. I never had any problems with it, other than the fact that I couldn't keep 5 shots within a 2-inch group from the reloaded .223 Rem ammo. I sold it then got a new Colt AR-15 in 1994 and I never had any problems with it.

Another gun that I sort of regretted buying was an 1893 Spanish Mauser in the 7x57 caliber. The barrel was pitted and completely worn out, and I couldn't trust the receiver to replace the old barrel with a modern 7x57. I figured it's not worth the cost and effort to refurbish it, so I disposed of it. This was 20 years ago before I knew enough about guns, but what do you expect, I only paid $80 bucks for it and it was a good "training" center fire rifle, because I was getting away from .22LR and .22 mag rimfires.

MechAg94
October 6, 2005, 03:27 PM
I bought a Springfield Ultracompact 1911 .45 a few years ago (not the lightweight version) with night sights. I thought it would be a good compact gun, but it is really too heavy to carry for me at least. It shoots fine, just heavy. About the same weight as a regular 1911. Summers around Houston are just not good for toting heavy guns (and Spring and Fall). Anyway, It is not accurate enough to make target shooting fun, but it is too heavy to carry. Thinking about selling it, but we'll see.

Nail Shooter
October 7, 2005, 07:54 AM
A beautiful late 70's Colt Combat Commander in 9mm. Bought it new. Loved the feel of it in the hand, but recoil was wicked. Gun twisted both hands--counter clockwise as I recall--and made recovery for the next shot so slow. High rate of mis feeds/jams too. Couldn't understand back then why it just didn't work everytime like my revolvers did. Probably could get it running w/ what I know now. ONLY gun I've ever sold, but did make a little money on it!
Got a G19 to replace it--a little boring in so much as it ALWAYS works. No surprises w/ the Glocks or Sigs that I now own, and no regrets about the "gone" Colt.

jondar
October 7, 2005, 08:28 AM
A guy I worked with said he had a .32 revolver at home he would sell. Described it as single action/double action and in almost new shape. Only wanted $50. However "just couldn't remember the name on it." So I gave him fifty and told him to bring it in. He brought it in and it was a Clerke. I finally put it with a couple other guns and traded it. Talk about pot metal, this one really was.

Stevie-Ray
October 7, 2005, 11:32 PM
AMT Govt. .45. Nuff said.

1911 guy
October 8, 2005, 01:08 AM
The gun I got rid of almost as soon as I got it was a Remington 522. .22 caliber autoloader. The trigger was the longest and mushiest I've ever seen.

V-fib
October 8, 2005, 01:19 AM
taurus PT-22 POJ!

Crom
October 8, 2005, 01:43 AM
Oh jeeze, lets see.................

Universal M1 Carbine - loose rear sight

Llama Super Commanche 44 Mag Revolver - Cylinder binding, innacurate, shot 6 inches to the right. A real POS

Raven .25 ACP - paid 35 bucks for it, ended up using it as a paper weight.

Wags
October 8, 2005, 06:03 AM
CZ 75 DA w/decocker. Something about that de-cocker lever just turned me off. Sold it shortly afterwards. Should of went with my original thoughts of purchasing a standard CZ 75 DA.

PressCheck
October 8, 2005, 01:48 PM
S&W model 342. Hurt like hell to shoot. The only firearm that I've ever sold.

larry starling
October 8, 2005, 01:52 PM
Llama Mini-max.....worst pos I have ever owned, :D

Chrontius
January 23, 2006, 08:28 PM
Davis derringer in .22 Magnum. It functioned flawlessly. Just an utterly useless tool for anything. I cut it up in pieces and threw it out.

K

I should point out I'm looking into something similar due to the three pygmy rattlesnakes I saw in my back yard. If it's not actually dangerous and you don't want it, have a raffle on here. It'll be good for your karma. :(

One man's trash...

Dr.Rob
January 23, 2006, 08:41 PM
Not me but dad bought a .380 Russian Mak that had a seriously overcut chamber... we never burst a casing but the brass came out pregnant looking.

Dad traded it back to the dealer he bought it from for a down payment on a revolver.

MTMilitiaman
January 23, 2006, 08:55 PM
I would say the Remington Model 597 LSS I bought that was accurate as hell but wouldn't feed more than two or three rounds without thinking up a new way to jam--but some poor sap traded me for a 1954 Russian SKS with matching serial numbers. I kinda felt guilty but I gave him fair warning. The SKS was a beaut that I wouldn't have without the Remington and I have since gotten a Ruger 10/22 that is worlds above it as well, so I can't hold a grudge.

My worst would probably be the HK USP Tactical I paid a grand for. Fails to go into battery on a regular basis and one of the included mags fails to lock the slide back after the last round more often than not. I've been wanting to give HK Customer Service a chance to screw me but I haven't had the money--I'd rather buy ammo for the pistol that replaced it, a Glock 20 that actually works and cost me about half of the HK. I was another one of those HK fans that was a fan of HK until they actually owned one.

50caliber123
January 23, 2006, 09:03 PM
Century Arms CETME - A friend and I both bought ourselves each one at the same time, from the same store, in the same trip. His ended up being super accurate and reliable, mine ended up not being able to fire throughan entire 20 round mag without jamming at least 4 times. It also shot about 6" to the left at 25yards, with the sights drifted all the way over. That's the closest to zero that I could get. I traded it for an Enfield #5mk1 from WWII.

Herself
January 23, 2006, 11:04 PM
The very worst was one of those Eastern European Hi Power "clones." ...It did look a lot like a Hi Power, at least!

Bought it and cleaned it one weekend, shot it the next, sold it that evening. Gosh, it was awful. I've shot nice Brownings and okay FMs from Agentina but that thing was nasty: rough, gritty trigger pull, inaccurate even by my low standards.

I was happy to lose a little money selling it. It counts as tuition!


Next worst purchase, a 9mm Norinco take on the Tokarev. It's pretty much a cheap hammer: inelegant, works well enough, a pig to take down and worse to reassemble. That's my beater; that's the one I wouldn't feel bad stashing along with my second-best tinfoil hat in an Undisclosed Location for a rainy day. A very rainy day!


Next worst after that, a poor old, sad Ballester-Molina that had probably been used as an actual hammer! Bought sight-unseen on a "trust me" and paid too much for it. There's no bluing left and I had to file sharp, peened-out edges from the solid beavertail and backstrap before it could be fired without tearing up my hands. The grips looked like they had been chewed on. The grip screws looked like they had tried to chew back.

On the other hand, the old warhorse does still work, probably no worse than it did when it was new. And there's something to be said for owning a "Ballerina Molester." I don't know what that something is, but there must be something? Possibly "Rube!"

--Herself

rangerruck
January 23, 2006, 11:15 PM
before i know s..t about firearms i bought a high point 9mm pistol. very accurate, when it wasn't jamming or stovepiping. and man dont let your hands get sweaty with those slick grips?

Herself
January 23, 2006, 11:40 PM
[Bizarre brain malf. Ignore. You saw nothing!]

1911user
January 24, 2006, 12:26 AM
That is easy. I bought a new TC muzzleloader rifle and all of the stuff that goes with one. I shot it at the range on 2 occassions and was very happy to see it go to a new owner. Now I understand why people only take them shooting for muzzle-loader deer season; what a pain to use and clean. At least I didn't make the mistake of buying one of the blackpowder revolvers to go with it.

aguyindallas
January 24, 2006, 12:55 AM
The only one I really regret is that Iraqi RPG I picked up.

Its a pretty nice "piece" but I cant find a range anywhere local to take her out. Somebody wanna take it off my hands?











Just kidding of course.... :neener:

joebogey
January 24, 2006, 12:59 AM
A Jennings 22 and a Davis derringer in 22 Mag.
Those two I could understand cause you get what you pay for.
I still have the Davis.

My biggest disappointment...a Colt, I think it was called the "American"
Biggest POS I've ever owned. It would only fire like every other time. Traded it to a dealer who even tried to talk the buyer out of buying it the last time. But it was a Colt and he just had to have it.
More power to him.

spooney
January 24, 2006, 01:01 AM
Well, this was a few years ago when I got this information. I don't know what I did with it, I'll have to dig around and see if I can find it again. If my information turns out to be wrong, don't worry, I already said the gun is worthless anyway. It's not like I'm trying to pass it off as a rare piece of history and sell it to a collector for a million dollars, so it's not necessary to throw it in my face like that.

By the way, welcome to the forum.

I think whoever shot Garfield used an Iver Johnson.

old4x4
January 24, 2006, 01:24 AM
Ruger Mini-14. Crappy trigger and shotgun accuracy. Hated it
58 Cal Spfld-type (repro) muzzleloader. Sh1t accuracy as well.
S&W 59-jam-o-matic, but it WAS my first autoloader.

Koobuh
January 24, 2006, 02:09 AM
Two guns, both from the same face-to-face seller. An M44, and a Ballester Molina pistol.
Mosin M44, the barrel is just terrible. Of course, I dropped a couple hun into it before I was able to get out and shoot it to find out if the crusty barrel belied an accurate rifle, but alas it was all in vain. I did manage to solve the terrible stringing impact problem by dremeling out 30% of the barrel channel in the ATI stock so the barrel isn't pushed to the right by the huge bow in the foreend. Still shoots patterns like a turkey gun at 50 yards though. :(
Now it's either the rifle itself or the ebay purchased Bushnell red-dot sight I'm using...

I only hate the Ballester Molina because I can't shoot for crap with it. A coworker managed to make a string of shots you could cover with your thumb at 25 yards, while I can't stay on paper. :banghead:
That's OK though, I next borrowed his S&W .40 and shot a respectable group. He took it back and proceeded to shoot as poorly as I had with my own pistol. Arm fatigue, we decided, but I got a damn good laugh out of it.

jtward01
January 24, 2006, 10:00 AM
I bought a Colt single action from a well known outdoors writer who had advertised it on GunsAmerica. He described the gun as "mint" and "like new." When the gun arrived the base pin screw and nut were installed backwards. Then I discovered the grip frame and back strap were not Colt parts, and it was clear the gun had been refinished.

Unfortunately, I was not able to contact the seller for five days because a hurricane had knocked out our electricity and phone service. When I was able to reach him he refused to refund my money or make any adjustment since I had "disassembled the gun" and because I hadn't contacted him within three days after receiving the gun. The only disassembly I had done was to reinstall the base pin correctly and remove the stocks to check for corrosion. It cost me an additional $550 to buy Colt parts to return the gun to its original condition, but of course with the replacement parts the gun has no collectors value.

Out of some 25 online purchases this is the only time I've ever been screwed by a seller.

foghornl
January 24, 2006, 10:33 AM
Uhmm... OK, I'll play..

I've had a few...A Rohm/RG double-action .22LR revolver snubby. Could not hit a 9" paper plate at more than 2 yards past muzzle contact distance. Seriously...I started with 150 rounds of mixed maker .22LR ammo from 15 feet. By the time I was down to round 140 or so, I was 6 feet away and had 2 hits.

"Buffalo Scout" .22LR/.22Mag knockoff of a Colt SAA (F.I.E. brand, IIRC Firearms Import/Export from Miami,FL..maybe) Only ammo it liked was the CCI Maxi-Mag hollow-point. Those rounds it managed to keep in the same Area Code. With any other ammo was as bad as the Rohm/RG.

Oh, yeah..one more

I bought one of the first CETME's from Century. In the 18 months I {ahem} 'owned' it, it spent 17-1/2 months in one of 3 places..In transit to Century for repair, at Century "Service", in transit from Century. I have never seen ANY firearm with this many issues..Failure to Feed, Fire, Extract, Eject, Return to Battery. As to accuracy, well if you were more than 20 feet away, you had a much higher chance of getting hit if I threw the CETME at you than if I pointed it at you and mashed the trigger till the mag was empty, or it jammed, whichever came first.

repsychler
January 24, 2006, 10:33 AM
Hi-Point Carbine. Total POS.
:barf:

Texfire
January 24, 2006, 12:45 PM
FrankenFAL built on a CAI reciever.

Never could get it to feed an entire mag without jamming. Fortunately the local dealer I bought it from took it back and gave me a store credit, which I used to buy a much nicer gun. Number one reason why I buy my firearms from him.

Tex

TrekkieFromHell
January 24, 2006, 01:01 PM
My first one, a M44 Mosin Nagant. I love the gun, its pretty accurate, but I got hosed on the price though. I paid around 130ish and the finish was horrible, it would come off if your fingernail scratched it the wrong way. Me and my friend refinished the stock, it looks great now, but I just paid way too much.

scubie02
January 24, 2006, 01:58 PM
A Tikka Master Deluxe in 25-06--man, what a lemon that sucker was! After over a year of messing around trying to get it fixed right by beretta, I finally got it back intact and traded it on something else.

Richard.Howe
January 24, 2006, 02:04 PM
My only regrettable gun purchases were those during which I decided to sell one I already owned. Don't make that mistake unless you hate the one you're selling.

Manedwolf
January 24, 2006, 03:12 PM
Uhmm... OK, I'll play..

I've had a few...A Rohm/RG double-action .22LR revolver snubby. Could not hit a 9" paper plate at more than 2 yards past muzzle contact distance. Seriously...I started with 150 rounds of mixed maker .22LR ammo from 15 feet. By the time I was down to round 140 or so, I was 6 feet away and had 2 hits.

Sounds like something Mark Twain wrote of, regarding a .22 revolver:

"I was armed to the teeth with a pitiful little Smith & Wesson's seven-shooter, which carried a ball like a homopathic pill, and it took the whole seven to make a dose for an adult. But I thought it was grand. It appeared to me to be a dangerous weapon. It had only one fault--you could not hit anything with it. One of our 'conductors' practiced awhile on a cow with it, and as long as she stood still and behaved herself she was safe; but as soon as she went to moving about, and he got to shooting at other things, she came to grief."

dhoomonyou
January 24, 2006, 03:40 PM
much too snappy. traded it for a Glock

Rock45
January 24, 2006, 04:23 PM
Ha! I remember it well, though I know I will eventually cease to be haunted by it...
FEG SMC380

That little thing left permanent scars on the web of my shooting hand...I could not grip it in a way that would keep it from biting me.

Bryan

trueblue1776
January 24, 2006, 04:27 PM
Bought it because it looked so cute. Thought it would be fun.
Damned thing is a FTF Saga!!!!
I've had roughly 1000 rounds through it so far and am still looking for something it will be reliable with.
Sorriest $280 I ever spent.

get a tougher spring and shoot CCI stingers

shane justice
January 24, 2006, 05:04 PM
Smith and Wesson Model 21-4 TRS Special.

cidirkona
January 24, 2006, 05:14 PM
Davis 22LR Derringer.

Bought it to 'round out' my collection (just didn't have a derringer before that).... can't hit an 8.5x11 paper at 10 feet... seriously.

-Colin

pharmer
January 24, 2006, 05:20 PM
Oh my. Lets see: Maadi AK battlefield pick up. Black spray paint over rust. Worthless, Paid $200 and sold it for $375 to a dealer during the ban. FEG R-9, HiPower clone-not. Absolute crap with 40 lb trigger pull, traded it for S&W M10-5. Jennings .22, tiny little gun with 40 lb trigger pull, gave that one away. AMT Backup .380 tiny little gun with 40 lb trigger pull that would not feed any ammo. Traded it, a Iver Johnson TP-22 (another turd) and a Beretta .25 for a Sig 228, still have it. Probably have had more junk over the last 30 years but can't recall. Joe

jtward01
January 24, 2006, 06:47 PM
I've had a few...A Rohm/RG double-action .22LR revolver snubby. Could not hit a 9" paper plate at more than 2 yards past muzzle contact distance. Seriously...I started with 150 rounds of mixed maker .22LR ammo from 15 feet. By the time I was down to round 140 or so, I was 6 feet away and had 2 hits.

I had one of those! It was just as accurate as yours. It was given to me by the father of a friend (a cop, no less) when I was 16. I used to carry it in my car so I could go plinking with it after school. I had a little leather holster and sometimes I would carry it openly, if I was going fishing, or to the range or whatever. Boy, things were different then.

I know a lot of people thought the ban on "Saturday Night Specials" was just another gun grabber tactic, but hell, I always looked at it as consumer protection. No one should ever pay money for a gun that bad. Glad I got mine for free. It was worth every penny of what I paid for it.

Ezekiel
January 24, 2006, 07:02 PM
G21 in .45 ACP. Issues? "None, I've had it for years." But how do I CCW a full-size Glock .45? As a Parole Officer, 90% of the time, my only option was a ultralight S&W .38 snubby.

It was NOT the same.

hhmorant
January 24, 2006, 07:54 PM
Auto-Ordnance replica Thompson 1927A1. Unreliable, lousy trigger, rough machine marks visible through the finish, extractor broke after about 200 rounds, etc. - an $800 POS.

jeremywills
January 24, 2006, 08:08 PM
stupid mossberg 590 pawnshop special

some lovely idiot before me put the ejector screw in at an angle and jacked up the threading, I guess I could have had someone take a look at it but I just took it back, I figure theres plenty of other mossbergs floating around, I honestly just didn't want to mess with it

It sure was a lot of fun for while it lasted, Ill get another one. Im looking :)

McCall911
January 24, 2006, 08:23 PM
I was the first kid on the block with a new EAA Witness in .45 ACP, when they first came out in the mid-1990s. It looked and felt solid enough, but the problems began when I tried to shoot it. Jammed every other round!
:cuss:

To make matters worse, the magazine disassembled itself right before my eyes, dumping cartridges, floorplate, spring, and follower at my feet.
:cuss: :cuss:

Later, I got a new magazine and took the pistol back to my "little spot of heaven" in the woods. Though the new mag didn't perform that "neat" self-disassembly trick, the gun jammed and jammed again.
:cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

It took a long time for me to realize that maybe Witnesses aren't total crap, but I, personally, would still think long and hard before buying another!

However, as we say, YMMV.

;)

lee n. field
January 24, 2006, 08:57 PM
Over a decade ago, I bought a used Charter Arms made AR-7 for $35. That POS wouldn't feed for anything and I happily sold it a few weeks later for $20.

The other mistake was a Jennings J-22 bought new about the same time.

How very coincidental.

AR-7, bought new in the early '80s, traded off for a floppy drive around 1990. Unreliable jammo-matic. Better than the Jennings though, and it never got the feeling that it might fall apart in use.

Jennings J-22. Bought 1992, given away as junk 3 or 4 years later. I think one box of .22LR is about all they're really designed to be good for, then they turn to crap.

1whobuys
January 24, 2006, 09:01 PM
Ruger Mark II .22 caliber pistol.


Ditto...Pure junk, jammed every mag no mater what ammo I used.

Byron Quick
January 24, 2006, 09:34 PM
I've never had a problem with a firearm from a major manufacturer. I've bought a couple used that needed to be sent back to the factory for repair or tweaking but then everything was OK>

I learned about thirty years to research my purchases and to stay away from the cheap junk. Now, if I had just learned not to sell some of the stuff that is now priced in orbit.

albanian
January 24, 2006, 09:49 PM
I had a lot of crap but that is because I almost always buy used. I am also cheap I have found a few lemons.

Here are a few of the worst ones I have ever had.

1. Kel-Tec P-32. Totaly unreliable after many trips back to the factory. Parts breakage and total junk.

2. South African RAP-401. Not a good pistol at all. Broke a part and the gun wouldn't fire. No parts anywhere in the US and no customer support from Crazy Cane Sports or whatever the outfit was called that sold it to me.

3. Intratec AB-10. Come on now! Who are they kidding with this POS? Worst made "gun" I have ever seen. Mine was a 9mm but the bore was about .40 caliber. Would not fire more than 1-2 shots no matter what!

4. Intratec Tec-22. How bad can a gun get? Total 100% JUNK.

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