Another Anti CCW Event


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Werewolf
October 5, 2005, 10:49 AM
I hate those stupid no guns allowed signs for reasons enumerated on this forum by many and with which I agree. Luckily, living in Oklahoma, means that I very rarely see those stupid no guns allowed signs; Though there are a few around. ToysRus is posted, where I work is posted and one hospital that I'm aware of is posted. Some folks say 7-11 has the sign but not the one I go to over where I live.

Anway...

Had to make a trip to the doctor yesterday - a specialist actually because I'm currently having to deal with an inflamed achilles tendon and gout. Now being an old curmudgeon makes me fairly cranky even on a good day. Yesterday because of my medical problems I was showing especially good form in the cranky department.

When I got to the clinic I locked up my carry piece in the lock box in my car because I anticipated having to take off my pants to get X-rays and didn't want to deal with not having control of my weapon while getting zapped. So - after locking it up I hobbled to the entrance of the clinic and lo and behold there was one of those stupid no guns signs. Grrrrrr... But I resolved not to make an issue of it - wouldn't do any good anyway.

I went up to the receptionist and did the check in thing. Since this was my first visit to this clinic they needed my insurance card and Drivers License. My resolve to not make an issue of that darned sign crumbled - what with me being a bit on the really cranky side and all. Knowing I wasn't going to accomplish squat - I gave the receptionist my CCW permit instead of my DL.

NOW - understand that the OK CCW permit doesn't look anything like the OK DL (but I've got an old DL not one of the new fancy Hi-Tech ones - I suspect the CCW permit looks similar to the new DL's) but she took it anyway. During her walk to the copy machine (about 20' away) she stopped at least 3 times to examine it (dumb look on her face - what the hell is this I could see her thinking). She got to the copy machine, took one last look, shrugged and copied it along with my insurance card.

On the way back she did the triple take - again - and when she got back to the counter she handed back to me my CCW permit and insurance card. She then asked:

Receptionist: Do you have a weapon on you sir?
Me: No - I don't - because of that stupid sign on the door. You do know that sign isn't going to keep anyone with a weapon from walking thru that door if they want to.
Receptionist: I've seen people just turn around and walk away.
Me: That's because they're law abiding citizens. Do you honestly think that silly little picture is going to keep someone with criminal intent from coming in here just because you've got a sign up?

This is the good part. I fully expected some typically anti retort. Didn't get one. Absent that I expected to receive a look of derision or contempt or one of what an a'hole you are.

What I got was a look similar to that of a deer that freezes at night when zapped by the headlights of a car. I could see it on her face, and that look made my day. There she stood - the look on her face and in her eyes, he's right she was thinking and then the look changed to one of real worry and she just turned and quietly walked away.

That made my whole day...

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El Tejon
October 5, 2005, 11:00 AM
Someone answered the clue phone!

Each one, teach one; good job, Were.

Technosavant
October 5, 2005, 11:26 AM
Ah... and being clobbered with the cluebat results in wisdom.

The problem is, that was just the receptionist; the people who actually make those decisions won't be the ones face to face with a violent criminal, so they don't really care anyway.

Around here it is a safe assumption that any medical office is posted. My physician's office is not, but most other medical buildings are.

hkOrion
October 5, 2005, 11:32 AM
yeah, she may be "just the receptionist", but it's her butt on the line when someone walks through that door. IF someone were to go into that place you think they'd just walk by the receptionist to let her call the cops? She should be insisting that her employer alllow her to CCW at the desk.

K-Romulus
October 5, 2005, 11:36 AM
You don't have to give them your SSN, so why are they copying your DL?

I hate then I hear these stories . . . :banghead: My SO works in the ID theft law enforcement realm. We don't have a Blockbuster account because they wanted our DL's three years ago when we went to get a membership. . .

No big deal, you may say? Read this:

http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/0405/223445.html

Blockbuster Clerk Charged in Identity Theft Case

Washington (AP) - A Blockbuster video clerk is under indictment on charges of stealing some customers' identities.

Miles Holloman worked at the store at 17th and 'P' streets, Northwest for a few months in 2003. During that time, prosecutors say he stole the names, credit cards, Social Security numbers and other information of customers applying for Blockbuster membership cards.

Authorities say Holloman and an accomplice would order merchandise and replacement credit cards to be sent to a victim's address. But one of them would be waiting at the home to intercept the mail.

Holloman allegedly used the new credit cards to buy everything from a cell phone to a car. The suspects are accused of running up 117,000 dollars worth of bills.

If convicted he could get almost five years in prison.

cracked butt
October 5, 2005, 11:53 AM
That made my whole day...

Your story made my day too. :)

svtruth
October 5, 2005, 11:57 AM
So you take her to the range, she loves shooting, gets her CCW, demands that the MD let her carry at work, he won't, she sues, she wins.
We all live happily ever after.

GunGoBoom
October 5, 2005, 12:31 PM
What I got was a look similar to that of a deer that freezes at night when zapped by the headlights of a car. I could see it on her face, and that look made my day. There she stood - the look on her face and in her eyes, he's right she was thinking and then the look changed to one of real worry and she just turned and quietly walked away

Lol, yap logic can be quite a neat thing, when exercised. Glad she saw the light. :)

Technosavant
October 5, 2005, 01:43 PM
Orion...

That was my point. Being the person out front, she would be the one to suffer most rapidly in such an event. The people who set the policy would be in back with good escape routes, if they would be on the premises at all (I would bet they are in a comfy office building with controlled access). She can raise a stink about it, but they will fire her and hire another clueless receptionist.

It's easy for people who aren't involved to make easy victims out of those who are.

dasmi
October 5, 2005, 01:54 PM
There she stood - the look on her face and in her eyes, he's right she was thinking and then the look changed to one of real worry and she just turned and quietly walked away.
Ahhhh, I love it when they realize all the gun laws in the world won't protect them from criminals.

KnightHawk67
October 5, 2005, 03:37 PM
LoL,

That was perfect Were!

I was expecting her answer to be "Yes it will, the sign will stop the crooks!"

Glad to see she had a brain in there, and it was working.

:evil:

Standing Wolf
October 5, 2005, 06:08 PM
What I got was a look similar to that of a deer that freezes at night when zapped by the headlights of a car.

The light bulb just went on. Even a 25-Watt bulb can be blindingly bright in complete darkness.

Bob F.
October 5, 2005, 09:29 PM
Not to hijack the thread, but a few months ago a Dr locally maced (OK, pepper-sprayed) a pt who suddenly grabbed a nurse by the throat until she nearly passed-out. Not a .45 but at least the Dr jumped in.

Years ago a patient wouldn't take off his shirt after repeated requests. " I can't; I have a gun." "Like this?" pulling my shirt tail up. "Put it on the table and put your shirt over it." End of story.

Stay safe.
Bob

PS: BTW, the pt above carried a .45 and usually 8 mags; "Almost got overrun in the Nam, was down to 2 rounds. Ain't never gonna run out of ammo again."

Dionysusigma
October 5, 2005, 10:23 PM
I wonder if there's a place that one can get a sign much like the "No Firearms" ones with a pistol and a red circle/slash through it...


... minus the diagonal red slash. I know of a local neighborhood health care clinic that might not object. :) :D

mbs357
October 5, 2005, 10:57 PM
I don't reckon one would be too hard to make.
Some of the more Photoshop inclined members could probably slap one together fairly easily.

Technosavant
October 5, 2005, 11:23 PM
Bob F- was that patient with the .45 and 8 mags in the office for back problems? :D

Henry Bowman
October 6, 2005, 01:04 PM
I wonder if there's a place that one can get a sign much like the "No Firearms" ones with a pistol and a red circle/slash through it...

... minus the diagonal red slash. I know of a local neighborhood health care clinic that might not object. To follow the international convention for "prohibited" and "allowed" signage, it should be a green circle.

I have also seen signs made that show either a pistol or revolver (your choice) and say : Your legally carried firearm welcome here."

Spreadfire Arms
October 6, 2005, 02:06 PM
So you take her to the range, she loves shooting, gets her CCW, demands that the MD let her carry at work, he won't, she sues, she wins.

im not sure on what legal grounds you can file suit upon your employer for them not allowing you to carry a pistol while you are on the job, especially when your job does not require it (armed security, law enforcement, etc)

care to enlighten us? :confused:

Mongo the Mutterer
October 6, 2005, 02:21 PM
Werewolf -- Wonderful

The signs are stupid, and at times placed in stupid places. There is a carwash near my home which is a bit expensive, but does a good job. I pay for my gas at the pump, so I pulled in, bought gas, and got in line for the wash.

This is a good wash, high school kids cleaning inside and out.

Well, I got to the staging area, got out of my car, left the motor running, and the young people got busy.

As I am walking in the door inside the wash to the main office, there is the "No Firearms" sign. What idiots! If I was interested in complying with their request, would I leave my firearm in my vehicle with a bunch of teenagers?

There is probably no way you can see the sign until after you have given up custody of your vehicle. The door is at an angle to the wash.

Dumb. The same place has a "no" sign on one main door and twenty feet down the storefront, doesn't have a sign on the second.

I was too busy to confront the manager with the issue that day, but I plan to.

Technosavant
October 6, 2005, 04:31 PM
Mongo, which car wash was that?

Quite often, I notice places that post signs, but do so in locations that are 1) unlikely to be seen at all, or 2) impossible to see until you are already inside.

One gas station has a sign next to the door, but down at the floor level underneath alcohol and cigarette ads. If you didn't look closely at all of them, you would just walk right past it. Another grocery store (Schnucks on Zumbehl in St. Charles) has signs posted inside the entry way in a location where you would never look when walking on in (you would have to turn your head 90 degrees while walking straight ahead).

That's just dishonest.

petrel800
October 6, 2005, 04:51 PM
I do my banking at one of the smaller regional chains rather than the monster sized banks. The branch in Lawrenceville is at a location that sits back from the main road and is not a good location for a bank. The enterence cannot be seen well from the road. Of course this bank has been robbed two or three times in the last 2 or 3 years. (Mind you this is not the branch I do my regular banking with, I live closer to Atlanta, but I do occasionally make a deposit at the Lawrenceville location)

Recently, they have put in a new enterence, equiped with bullet proof glass, a metal detector, double doors, and a one person at a time rule. Oh and a big goofy no weapons sign. Believe me by the time I went back to the car to secure my carry piece, I was not a happy camper. I finally get in the bank and I let the teller have it.

What's with the enterence?

Teller - Oh we've been robbed a couple times and this will prevent these folks from getting in.

How?

Teller - Well the sign shows those folks that weapons aren't allowed here.

And thats going to stop a motivated person how.

Teller - Well they can't get in anyway until we unlock the door, and they can't shoot the glass cause its bullet proof.

Ma'am, are all the windows here bullet proof.

Teller - No

Well what's going to stop him from going outside and start shooting at you through the glass?

Teller - :confused:

Why don't you all get licensed to carry a gun?

Teller - Its against company policy.

At that point, I just had to leave. So I took my deposit slip, and I'm a few days away from taking my business elsewhere.

XLMiguel
October 6, 2005, 04:58 PM
K-Romulus- They want photo ID to prevent insurance fraud, i.e. to prove that you are who you say you are and that it matches your insurance ID :eek: .

k_dawg
October 6, 2005, 09:34 PM
I make it a point to use my CWP license in any place that refuses to allow one to carry.

Lupinus
October 6, 2005, 10:57 PM
I love it :evil:

Mongo the Mutterer
October 7, 2005, 06:21 AM
Technosavant -- Carwash = Country Club at K and N in O'Fallon. Check it out. Left door as you enter has a "no" sign, right has nothing.

I pay at the pump and go on my way. I like Mobil gas and that silly key ring thing they have.

Technosavant
October 7, 2005, 11:15 AM
Mongo- they have the same sign at the other full service Country Club at Zumbehl & 94 in St. Charles. The CC Express wash at 94 & Mid Rivers Mall Drive is owned by the same people, but unmarked. Mobil company-owned stores (like the one catty-corner to the one you referenced) are also not posted.

Everybody, I have noticed that some branded stores are privately-owned, while others are company owned. One may be posted, the other not. Keep an eye out- just because, say, one place is marked, that doesn't mean that a different place with the same name will be posted.

pete f
October 8, 2005, 01:37 AM
In minnesota they have to ask you to leave and post the sign, so the sign really means hide it well and leave if they see it. I just ignore the sign

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