Madonna Says No Hunting


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sm
January 1, 2003, 08:49 PM
Well, we don't have the "'fickle finger of fate" smilie here at THR, can I instead just submit this and apply a case # ? Being as I'm not PC, and I watch my language on THR...I'll just post this...go have a smoke...scratch my head.


http://www.teenmusic.com/d.asp?r=26388&cat=1020



Madonna Says No Hunting
December 30, 2002
Madonna has banned hunting from her country estate because she's worried the souls of dead birds will return to haunt her.

The pop queen has had a dramatic change of heart about animal rights, having previously worn fur coats and enjoyed country pursuits such as shooting game birds.



The Material Girl's decision is said to have been influenced by her belief in the teachings of the Jewish mystical tradition Kabbalah.

Some Kabbalah followers believe in the evolutionary progress of the soul through reincarnation - and Madonna is now reported to have decided that every bird she shoots will lead to retribution for her in the next life.

According to British newspaper The Mail On Sunday, the True Blue singer has told husband Guy Ritchie that there will no longer be any hunting on their Ashcombe estate in Wiltshire, England.

The move is said to have caused friction between Madonna and Guy, a devoted huntsman since an early age.

A friend of the Snatch director says, "Guy thinks it's ridiculous. He loves Ashcombe and is very proud of the shoot there. He thinks it's mad to own such a beautiful estate and not be allowed to shoot there".

"But it's Madonna's place - it was her money that bought it - so what she says goes."

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4v50 Gary
January 1, 2003, 08:51 PM
Not much for music, not much for thinking. Unfortunately, the younger generation may be influenced by her. :(

Betty
January 1, 2003, 08:56 PM
Unfortunately, the younger generation may be influenced by her.

I doubt it - she's "old news". Even her last couple movies failed miserably at the box office.

Rangerover
January 1, 2003, 08:57 PM
May the ghosts of a thousand birds infest her empty head.

:scrutiny:

AnklePocket
January 1, 2003, 08:59 PM
That's weird because I was just saying "no Madonna".:eek:

Redlg155
January 1, 2003, 09:01 PM
Some Kabbalah followers believe in the evolutionary progress of the soul through reincarnation - and Madonna is now reported to have decided that every bird she shoots will lead to retribution for her in the next life.

Ok..that's nice. So pass the damn peas lady.

Or at least that's what I would have said if I were married to the wench.:p

She bans hunting from her private estate where only the affluent will ever have the chance to shoot a pheasant, much less own a gun.

No great loss.

Good Shooting
RED

Nathaniel Firethorn
January 1, 2003, 09:01 PM
Yawwwwwwn....

- pdmoderator

Baba Louie
January 1, 2003, 09:06 PM
Honey, wake up! I had a nightmare about millions of pheasants coming after me. Screeching and Caaawwkking something awful.
Oh god, the poor miserable little souls.

Some peoples kids. Worrying about the soul of deceased gamefowl after the rest of her exemplary lifestyle.

Sheesh. How touching.

Adios

Ed Brunner
January 1, 2003, 09:21 PM
May the birds of Kabbalah fly up her...
I can't pull it off. I'm just no Jonnnie Carson.:evil:

hansolo
January 1, 2003, 09:21 PM
Dear Madonna,

You are not a Jew. I am. You are not welcome to my religion.

:neener:

With all your $$$$s, though, I could be bribed; just "lose" the screaming bird BS:evil:

Preacherman
January 1, 2003, 09:27 PM
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Some Kabbalah followers believe in the evolutionary progress of the soul through reincarnation - and Madonna is now reported to have decided that every bird she shoots will lead to retribution for her in the next life.
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Ok..that's nice. So pass the damn peas lady.
BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! http://www.gamers-forums.com/smilies/otn/realhappy/jump.gif

Redlg155, that is a CLASSIC "snappy response to stupid utterance" line!

sixgun_symphony
January 1, 2003, 09:30 PM
Madonna is over 40yo now, definately "old news" to the youth market. It has been almost 20yrs ago that she came out with her first big hit "Like a Virgin".

2dogs
January 1, 2003, 10:01 PM
Used up as a singer.

No luck as an actress.

Didn't fly as porn queen.

So now she wants to go the Shirley McClaine spiritual route.

Why do these people, much like the Klintons, never go away. Why do we listen to any syllable they utter.

And now Michael Jackson wants to start a new children's charity.

Maybe for babies who fall off of tall buildings.

Bread and circuses, all.:neener:

Gewehr98
January 1, 2003, 10:05 PM
She probably didn't want anybody to eliminate another venue of her experimental sexuality. :uhoh:

Drjones
January 1, 2003, 10:36 PM
She is a great entertainer, and I really do love her music.

That is about where my regard for celebrities end. Most all of them are really pretty nutty...

OTOH, I do not agree with hunting just for the "fun" of it. Is Guy planning on eating those birdies, or just shootin' em for kicks?

Lone_Gunman
January 1, 2003, 11:07 PM
Her money, her land, her opinion.

I have no problem with it, but dont really understand why someone thought this was "news".

Ninj500
January 1, 2003, 11:30 PM
I for one will never hunt again. IMHO if everyone followed the teachings of such enlightened individuals as Madonna, Barbara Steisand (sp?) and the other superior lifeforms from Hollywood, the world would clearly be a better place. :rolleyes:

waterdog
January 1, 2003, 11:42 PM
Maybe she just came to realize, that the male pheasant is called a cock, and we all know how she feels about them.

waterdog

PATH
January 1, 2003, 11:47 PM
What a moron! I guess she has finally lost it. She is washed up as an entertainer so I guess she is trying to find her true self.
:rolleyes: :D :D :D

Fed168
January 2, 2003, 12:00 AM
Put her in the ring with Bullet Tooth Tony or Mickey.

Kevinch
January 2, 2003, 12:38 AM
Hmmmm...well, if she doesn't want hunting on the property she owns, that's her right.

I'd have to respect that.

Dead birds coming back in a future life to seek revenge?

Wow. If Alfred Hitchcock were alive, he'd have just scored the theme of the sequel to The Birds...

J Miller
January 2, 2003, 12:44 AM
This is my response to these self apointed liberal utopianist do gooders:

:neener: Tthhppppppppppppppt!!!

Preacherman
January 2, 2003, 12:46 AM
Kevinch, you beat me to it... :D I was just going to suggest a remake of "The Birds", starring you-know-who - only this time the birds get to finish the job, and she's launched into eternity with the ghosts of seagulls past pursuing her shade from tree to tree! :D

thumbtack
January 2, 2003, 01:04 AM
Madonna is now reported to have decided that every bird she shoots will lead to retribution for her in the next life

That is the least of her worries, she should be worried about the retribution for posing as a singer.

45-auto
January 2, 2003, 01:28 AM
Why do these people, much like the Klintons, never go away. Why do we listen to any syllable they utter.

I sometimes think it's a horrible penalty for some terrible thing I did in a prior life.

But I still can't bring myself to believe in the reincarnation of angry fowl.

sm
January 2, 2003, 01:31 AM
Lone_Gunman, others. I rec'd this "news" in an email from a former co-worker, figured ok its just shows absurdity of people and what not. This celebrity never has meant anything to me.

Then , I rec'd a follow up email. This person knew I was into shooting. This" news " was to persuade me guns and hunting wrong he he he So I took The High Road

I sent a links, providing the Contitution, and BoR. I suggested she obtain a passport and keep these documents together. I suggested she then go to England and live for awhile since she believe so strongly in their way of conducting things. Read documents and live in England--whichever she feels the most good about--stick with it.

Blocked sender from my email (which she also finds tacky) and wished her well. OH suggested she read 1984 en-route.

Where's the Bon-Voyage smilie ?

cratz2
January 2, 2003, 02:15 AM
If no one's listening, I'll admit to liking several Madonna songs. She is a shrewd businesswoman or at least was at her prime.

However, much like some religions, I don't understand the idea behind doing a 180 on something you used to believe in. I mean, you're wearing fur coats one day, then the next, your husband can't hunt? I don't think so...

45R
January 2, 2003, 02:58 AM
Next she is going to oppose eating meat and drinking milk because the souls of dead cows and swine will come haunt her.:banghead:

Drjones
January 2, 2003, 05:54 AM
I don't understand the idea behind doing a 180 on something you used to believe in. I mean, you're wearing fur coats one day, then the next, your husband can't hunt? I don't think so...

I was going to chime in with you, but remember: Some TFL/THR people [i]used to be antis!!![i] *shudder*

Can you blame someone for "seeing the light?" :p

(Though not in this case, but you know what I mean...)

Viking6
January 2, 2003, 09:08 AM
I don't care much for Madonna's views but she was a terrific entertainer early on (small smile as I recall the "Like a Virgin" video). Celebrities never cease to amaze me or our fascination with them.

Kahr carrier
January 2, 2003, 09:58 AM
:rolleyes:

coati
January 2, 2003, 10:33 AM
A thread from the Firing Line more than a year ago about this:
http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=90209&highlight=madonna

with a really funny rant from DC, if you scroll down a few posts.

Kevinch
January 2, 2003, 11:24 AM
I'll admit to enjoying some of her music also. I like her ballads, some of her softer songs are very peaceful.

Besides - AFAIC, talent is something God gives us - we don't "create" it.

But all I had to do was listen to one of her concerts that was aired on HBO to decide I wanted no part of her. I didn't appreciate the utterly foul language & "shock value" of her performance.

Many of us mellow as we get older; maybe she will too & will feel differently about her antics of the past. But I won't hold my breath!

armabill
January 2, 2003, 11:32 AM
In the end, who cares about her?

aspen1964
September 20, 2006, 12:09 AM
I neither care what madonna thinks nor if she happens to croak tomorrow...I'm disinterested in her existence..hows that for honesty:what:

Jorg Nysgerrig
September 20, 2006, 12:16 AM
Well, you do seem interested enough to resurrect a thread that is over 2 and half years old. ;)

XLMiguel
September 20, 2006, 12:22 AM
Hell, she was the Paris Hilton of her time:neener: :barf: May they all rot in obscurity:rolleyes:

WiLLtallica
September 20, 2006, 12:26 AM
Is this really true?

Manedwolf
September 20, 2006, 12:29 AM
I've also heard from actual followers of Kaballah that what she's into has about as much relation to it as the moonbats who wear healing crystals have to Druids.

In other words, she's just one more Hollywood moonbat.

Kayak TN
September 20, 2006, 12:36 AM
I've also heard from actual followers of Kaballah that what she's into has about as much relation to it as the moonbats who wear healing crystals have to Druids.

In other words, she's just one more Hollywood moonbat.LOL. Healing white light and magic rocks... :rolleyes:

At her age, I hope she doesn't trip and fall off that silly cross she plans on doing her show from. She might need her Geritol.

hso
September 20, 2006, 01:34 AM
Please see sig line.

Troutman
September 20, 2006, 01:40 AM
<<Madonna has banned hunting from her country estate because she's worried the souls of dead birds will return to haunt her. >>


We should really all support her on this. I don't go small game hunting, but anyone who does, should support her on this, by donating to her cause and worries.
After hunting birds. Mail one bird of your choice to her contact address (whatever that might be).
And on the return address put,


From:
Birdman of Alcatraz
1313 Mockingbird lane

Technosavant
September 20, 2006, 01:44 AM
OK, it's an ancient thread, but I'll make one contribution:

If you are worried about the spirits of the dead come to haunt you, you have one course of action:

Take a shotgun and torch it into a bunch of small pieces and then melt it down. Use the soul of the now-departed shotgun on the souls of the haunting critters. Problem solved. :evil:

I'm a theologian, so I know this will work...

Lupinus
September 20, 2006, 01:47 AM
Oh my broken heart what shall I do

I think I will go find a bird like beanie baby and shoot it for a few hours

cbsbyte
September 20, 2006, 01:52 AM
Another useless thread summoned from the THR after life.

tellner
September 20, 2006, 02:16 AM
Guys, if you don't know anything about Kabbalah in particular or Jewish mysticism in general please have the good grace to keep quiet about it. So far none of the comments has shown any familiarity at all with the subject. Many of you are religious and would be profoundly offended if derisive comments demonstrating similar ignorance were directed at your own beliefs.

Her religious beliefs hold that killing for food is acceptable, but killing for pleasure is barbaric. One may not agree with that, but it's a consistent and defensible position. Millions of Buddhists and hundreds of millions of Hindus, not to mention a fair number of Jews, Christians and Muslims believe exactly the same thing. I must confess to finding trophy hunting to be a disturbing pass-time. Killing something just to watch it die and take home its head to look at forever is one of the many pleasures I must not be wired for. Hunting for food? Yeah. It's a useful skill and an honest, sometimes pleasant, way of putting free-range grass-fed meat in the freezer. Keeps the deer from starving.

Now, as to Madonna, like or dislike her there's no doubt she's adaptable, durable, and built a career through an intelligent campaign to give people what they want to hear. Anyone who can still do a stage show like hers in her mid 40s shows a dedication to physical fitness and hard work that is truly staggering. As a singer? Her technical skills aren't bad, certainly as good as most female vocalists. Her private life? None of my business really. From what I understand she's a devoted mother. What she does in her bedroom is something about which a gentleman would not inquire.

Nematocyst
September 20, 2006, 02:29 AM
I'm on the same page as both Drjones & our friend Todd (Tellner).

Tellner posted just before this one.

Here's what Drjones wrote:

She is a great entertainer, and I really do love her music.As an electronic musician, I thought her CD Ray of Light set new standards in pop music. It was truly spectacular.

And like Todd, I also have reservations about "sport" hunting.

Food? Sure. But hunting for sport? Sorry, no.

So where does that leave us?

This is THR, your moderated but {mostly} uncensored gun forum.
__________

P'man, good to see you back around. I've been worried about you. Where the h' you been, dude?

aspen1964
September 20, 2006, 02:35 AM
..taking someone like madonna or any pop-tart star seriously is pretty funny...and watching others trying to make them look like deep, beautiful people is a riot...but then I never have called this time an era of good taste..
some people it seems needs some other people to worship...I do know a few fine, truly exceptional people..but none are pop stars...not one...

one last point...regulated hunting does more than offer the sport to sportsmen...it also is the means to keep the species of animal in balance with it's habitat...you see..with all the humans around...things are unbalanced...if a deer herd goes unchecked..sooner or later it will outstrip it's habitat and must have a die-off...so a yearly hunt is set by the game dept. to effectively control the numbers..and despite the mistakes made today and yesterday, it works quite well overall...very similar to an overgrown forest that will pay heavily with fire if left unchecked too long...better to thin it continuely than too watch it burn terribly later...

tellner
September 20, 2006, 03:22 AM
I've known a fair number of musicians of many sorts. They have their peculiarities, but I've never noticed that the ones who did popular music were any less worthy than anyone else. There's no shame in doing something that large numbers of people enjoy and making money at it.

You're absolutely right about hunting being necessary to keep some herbivore populations down. It's the sort of thing that the government would have to pay rangers to do if hunters didn't voluntarily line up to pay money for the privilege. The decrease in hunting in some states is a cause for concern.

m1aman
September 20, 2006, 08:50 AM
"Jewish mysticism" is all i need to know about it to form an opinion. :barf:

Dave P
September 20, 2006, 09:13 AM
So why does Madonna need a " Snatch director" anyway?!? Can't she handle that job on her own?? ;)

Brian Williams
September 20, 2006, 09:30 AM
Dead birds are dead, eat em.
Madonna ol news,
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