Help with descision on buying a glock 19


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specialagent13
October 6, 2005, 12:47 AM
Hey guys:
Here is the deal. Im going to buy my first handgun. I have fired some before like the colt 45 goldcup and some revolvers. I will use my gun for recreation, self defense at home and I will carry when i need it. I was thinking on the glock 19 but I have never used one. Is this a good choice? im also a little worried about maintanence. I have nobody to teach me. Will I be able to disassemble and assemble correctlyit just by reading instructions? Please help.

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mustanger98
October 6, 2005, 01:05 AM
Get a 1911A1 or a revolver. In fact, there's this one guy I sometimes shoot with at the range- I'll run into him at a gunshop when I'm looking at a semi and he'll say "put that away and get a revolver". Kinda funny to hear him say that. But seriously, I've found the 1911A1 easy to strip and reassemble. I learned how by sitting down with the gun and manual and dissassembling and reassembling by the book two or three times. It worked for me. However, I'll also tell you there's a reason why they call autos a "thinking man's gun". If you're a newbie, get a revolver. Who cares what caliber as long as it's .357magnum (also shoots .38special) or bigger. .44magnums stoked with .44specials are fun too. Revolvers are a lot easier to get along with when you're alone against an as yet unseen enemy in the dark when you're half asleep and scared to death. While you're getting good at shooting that revolver, you can be contemplating your 1911A1.

Glock who?

Lennyjoe
October 6, 2005, 01:21 AM
The G19 is an utterly reliable semi auto handgun. It will serve you well. But, you need to be properly trained on any handgun before you venture out to the range.

When you decide to purchase the pistol be sure to have the gunshop you purchase it from show you how to properly clear the pistol, disassemble, reassemble and then load the firearm. Pay attention to everything they say.

Then take the gun and ammo to a range where there are range officials available. The Glock is a very common handgun. Ask for assistance and you will most likely get some good directions on proper loading and shooting safety information.

BTW, welcome aboard.

Shoot safe.

Remander
October 6, 2005, 01:42 AM
The G19 was my first centerfire pistol, and it was a great choice. I still shoot it a lot at the range, and it is my primary self defense weapon.

The salesman showed me how to break it down, and then he had me do it in front of him to make sure I caught on. It is VERY EASY. No tools required, and it takes only a few seconds. Really. You could quickly learn how by reading the manual, but the two minute tutorial at the gun shop made it especially simple.

The pistol is relatively cheap to buy and shoot, mags are plentiful, and it is easy to clean. Inexpensive 9mm ammo (MUCH cheaper than .45) will let you shoot a lot and learn technique w/o going broke. Then, you can do like me and spend mo' money on all sorts of other guns.

I have added an AGrip and a 3.5 connector, but neither is necessary to enjoy the pistol.

I highly recommed the G19.

I also recommend a good .22 pistol (like a Ruger Mark II or III) if you are new to shooting. Even cheaper to shoot and tons of fun (especially with a red dot).

My Mark II and G19 get many times more rounds through them than my other handguns and rifles combined.

Standing Wolf
October 6, 2005, 01:50 AM
I'd suggest going to a range with firearms for rent, and trying anything and everything that looks interesting.

I rented a Glock model 19 once. It had such a horrible trigger, I've never even thought about buying a Glock since then.

mustanger98
October 6, 2005, 02:03 AM
It's been a long time since I've bothered to look at a Glock. Some folks like 'em. Some folks hate 'em. I happen to be in the latter group. Lousy hand/grip fit. Lousy trigger. I got a sales rep to show me how to disassemble and I still couldn't get it to work. :banghead: :barf: :cuss:

:cool: I don't have to worry about it. I got a 1911A1 and never looked back. :cool:

chris in va
October 6, 2005, 02:04 AM
I looked at the Glocks as well, just couldn't get into them. Weird/blocky grip, odd trigger, not much 'safety' to them.

I think you can do better.

Hook686
October 6, 2005, 02:29 AM
The Glock 19 was my first Glock ... I already had (2) S & W 686's, 1 in 6" 1 in 4", and a Walther P-38 autoload (9mm). I find the Glock 19 a joy to shoot, and a breeze to disassemble for cleaning ... I learned from the user manual that came in the box .... any 9 year old child can do it. I find the first shot of the G-19 not a whole lot different than a double action revolver, and followup shots not a whole lot unlike firing that revolver in single action mode. Personally I find the G-19 a very sweet handgun to shoot and a good choice for a first gun.

Hook686

motoman
October 6, 2005, 03:11 AM
I do have a Glock 17, which is very similar to a Glock 19. I also have a Glock 23, which is the same as a Glock 19, but in .40S&W. The Glock 23 is my primary carry piece. It is completely reliable, accurate, and reasonably priced.

I would definitely recommend a Glock 19 for a first pistol.

Spreadfire Arms
October 6, 2005, 03:28 AM
i cant believe someone here thinks the 1911 is easier to disassemble than a Glock?

im not talking about reliability, shootability, or anything else. the original post is asking about recreation, home defense, personal carry and maintenance.

1. recreation - is that the same pretty much for any handgun?

2. home defense - any gun can be used for home defense, but in darkness, a novice shooter may not be able to, or forget, to disengage the manual safety on a 1911.

3. personal carry - some argue that cocked-and-locked is either uncomfortable (cocked hammer digging into side of body) or possibly unsafe, if the manual safety gets swept down while carrying, you are down to 2 or possibly only 1 safety if you don't have a Series 80 firing pin safety.

4. maintenance - id argue that a Glock, with less # of parts, is much easier to maintain than a 1911 by a novice shooter/owner.

granted this is just my opinion, but i'd think a Glock, at least for this buyer, is a better bet for his uses/concerns he has outlined. i like the 1911, but i recommend it for someone who is not a novice shooter.

psyopspec
October 6, 2005, 03:32 AM
. . . and I will carry when i need it.

Unless you've got Miss Cleo on speed dial, I'd recommend carrying as often as legally possible since you might not find out you "need" it until it's too late. Of course, get trained first, and keep practicing!

I was thinking on the glock 19 but I have never used one. Is this a good choice?

One of my first pistols. I ultimately sold it, but not because it was bad mechanically. There were just better things out there for me. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend one if they feel good in your hand.

Will I be able to disassemble and assemble correctlyit just by reading instructions?

Shouldn't be a problem. Just remember to quadruple-check that the pistol is cleared before you pull the trigger (part of the takedown process on a Glock).

Alex45ACP
October 6, 2005, 03:35 AM
GLOCK 17 was my first handgun and I highly recommend it. It's the same as the G19 just a little bigger. I've also fired a G19 and liked it but it was a little too small for my hands. Like someone else said, a revolver is also a good choice. I have a S&W 642 myself.

jashobeam
October 6, 2005, 03:42 AM
Just last night I took two of my friends to an indoor gun range. Neither of these friends had much shooting experience; it was the second time at a range for one friend, and the first time for the other friend. I brought my Glock 17 (full-size 9mm); I rented two other guns: a Sig P239 (a less-than-full-size 9mm); and a Kahr P9 (a compact polymer-frame 9mm).

Both of my friends shot the Glock best and preferred its trigger. I had them fire the other two guns first before shooting the Glock. The first-timer shot the Glock much, much better than he did the other two guns, hitting roughly center target 9 out of 10 times at 7 yards. He loved the Glock and would not shut-up about it the entire drive home.

Some people complain about Glock triggers and just can't stand them. I have no problem with the Glock trigger: the initial slack is easily taken up, then simply squeeze until the trigger crisply breaks like a saltine cracker.

As for me, I shot the Glock best also (but I've been shooting it for over 10 years). I have to say that I was disappointed with the Sig P239; I really wanted to shoot that thing well. It felt so good in my hand and has great pointability--and it fires in single action. I thought that out of the three guns it would be the easiest to shoot accurately, but it wasn't for me--or for my two friends. Other people love Sigs, swear by them, and, I assume, shoot them very accurately.

Just because some people hate a particular gun, it doesn't mean it's a bad gun and that you won't love it; just because some people love a particular gun, it doesn't mean that you will or that it's the right/best gun for you. Go and shoot some guns. Get what feels good, shoots well, and looks appealing to you. I love my Glock. I hope you love whatever you buy. Happy shopping!

BTW, in caring for my Glock I have in the past been irresponsible and neglectful, forcing it to endure numerous shooting sessions without being cleaned or oiled. Not recommended, but it appears no worse for the wear. I cleaned it late last night immediately after shooting session.

ckyllo
October 6, 2005, 08:40 AM
another option might be the springfield xd series. it is just a little bigger than an g19 but the grip angle is more natural. it also has the same trigger safety but also has a grip safety too. along with a chamber loaded indicator and a cocked striker indicator. mag cap is equal with 15 9mm rounds and have seen big stick mags ~30 rounders for both but in that department glocks are easier to come by.

take a firearms safety and handling class right from the start. many classes will have choices of firearms to choose from. after the class find a range that has rentals and try out as many differnt guns as possible. is better to spend $50 on renting to find the right gun than it is to spend $600 on the wrong gun.

Sleeping Dog
October 6, 2005, 09:09 AM
Very reliable, easy to clean (dishwasher-safe :)).

The only thing I don't like about my model 26 is the lack of a "real" safety. No lever like the 1911, no long trigger pull like the average DA revolver. You gotta be "more safe" than with the average gun.

Just kidding about the dishwasher. The other half would kill me if she found a glock in there.

Regards.

middy
October 6, 2005, 09:24 AM
The Glock design is one of the easiest to field strip, and the easiest to detail strip. The design is so simple that once you've detail stripped and reassembled it the first time, you probably won't need instructions again.

38snapcaps
October 6, 2005, 10:59 AM
Out of the four 9mm pistols I've owned I have found the G19 to be the most comfortable to shoot and easiest to clean. I was able to shoot it the most accurately. The other three are gone. Its also a "clean" shooting gun, i.e. it doesn't get very dirty. And lastly, 9mm ammo is very afforadable enabling one to be able to practice alot. A box of .45 is at least ten bucks, while you can find 9mm for half that just about anywhere.

I've had three 1911's, note the "had". Talk about a pain to field strip! Its especially fun trying to get the recoil spring plug either in or out and not wonder when its going to get away from you and fly across the room, or worse, hit you in the face. The slide stop was easy to push out with one and one you almost couldn't get it out at all. What a pile of parts: slide, recoil spring, plug, barrel, slide stop, and bushing. With a Glock you have a barrel, slide, and recoil spring.

Let's not get into how wonderful cocked and locked is. If I am under deadly attack I don't want to have to remember anything but point and pull the trigger. And how many times do you hear some 1911 guy say, "oh yeah I come home now and then and find the safety somehow has clicked off". Are you nuts!? No thank you.

BowStreetRunner
October 6, 2005, 11:14 AM
I really like my G19. It is easy to clean and care for. Nice to shoot as well.
BSR

Darth Ruger
October 6, 2005, 02:03 PM
A G26 (sub-compact 9mm) is my daily carry. I carry all the time, except in cases where I'm prohibited by law, like when I take my kids to school and can't carry there (which pisses me off, because that eliminates the possibility of someone who is prepared from stopping one of those 'school-shooting' nutcases before a bunch of kids are killed). Fun and easy to shoot, even better out-of-the-box accuracy than I expected, the factory trigger is fine, easy to conceal.

Operation of a 1911 is more complex than a Glock. I don't think a 1911 would be a good "first gun" for a beginner (especially if he intends to carry it), unless he plans to get professional training and spend lots and lots of time becoming very proficient at operating it under stressful conditions before he starts carrying it (of course, you should do that anyway, but especially with a gun with more complex operation like a 1911).

The only thing I don't like about my model 26 is the lack of a "real" safety. No lever like the 1911...
Just curious... The elimination of an external safety is one of the Glock's strong points (for those that prefer this type of gun). If you prefer an external safety, why did you buy a Glock instead of a 1911?

HankB
October 6, 2005, 02:34 PM
If you're buying a new Glock 19, be sure it's a late 3rd generation version (they have an extra crosspin in the frame above the trigger pivot pin) and that it comes with current 15 round magazines . . . some unscrupulous dealers are still trying to get full price for Glocks with the emasculated Klinton-era 10 rounders.

Glock 9mms are among the most reliable, dependable, pistols on the market today. No, they're not perfect, but if you could take 100 Glock 19s, and 100 1911's costing up to 50% more, and then you shot 1000 rounds through each pistol, I'll wager there will be far more problems in the 1911 group than there are in the G19 group. (BTW, a good 1911 is a VERY fine pistol indeed. Sadly, all too many don't meet the definition of "good" these days, especially at the lower end of the price range.)

Since this is your first handgun, DO learn and abide by the Four Rules.

SomeKid
October 6, 2005, 02:42 PM
I carry a G23 with me more often than I do just about anything else.

Glocks are great for a couple of reasons, one of which is that it is so easy to get things like holsters for them. EVERYONE makes holsters for Glocks.

One special note, do not let any fool dissuade you because the gun itself doesn't have some manual safety. The only safety that ever matters is the one between your ears. If it breaks, no MECHANICAL OBJECT is going to pick up the slack. Machines break, and have no thought process, they simply do. I personally wish my Glock had fewer safeties on it, as mechincal objects can break, and are therefore less trustworthy than my own judgement, which I literally trust my life with.

Though I love Glocks, not everyone does. Test it out, check other possibilities. Buy/carry what you can carry/shoot comfortably and properly. If Glocks ain't for you (and some people are this way) find what is, and get-train-and carry it.

SK.

Master Blaster
October 6, 2005, 02:49 PM
I am a 1911 enthusiast at the range, and I think they make an excellent service weapon, but I cant carry them concealed comfortably, I have tried it just doesnt work for me. My G-26 glock is a perfect carry weapon. Of all of the 9mm handguns I have owned, which includes Beretta, Smith and Wesson, and a Belgian browning hipower made in the 1960's. My G26, and my G34 (lonslide model) are the two most accurate and easy to shoot 9mms I have ever owned. They are 100% reliable with standard Glock magazines, and they are easy to maintain, very easy.

The triggers on all of the others, in single action ,are better, but for some reason that never translated to better scores on the target at the range. I no longer own the Smiths or the Beretta. The Glocks are keepers.

Try the g19, g17, and g26 see which one fits your hand and your usage best they are all excellent pistols.

JMHO YMMV

one45auto
October 6, 2005, 03:04 PM
I own both a Colt Series 80 (M1991A1 Stainless) .45ACP and a pre-ban, second generation Glock 19. I love them both, BUT....

I've had the Colt jam up on me three times in a single box of Remington 230FMJ, seems it doesn't like that brand. Also, a former co-worker of mine - who incidentally purchased the exact same model, had the slide stick open once because of powder residue in the rails. You had to see it to believe it.

On the other hand...

I can't get the Glock 19 to jam and I've fed it almost every brand known to mankind, including cheap range reloads. Moreover, the rental model which first sold me on Glocks was dirty as heck - I mean that puppy was filthier than the floor of a New York taxi, and yet it functioned flawlessly. I'd venture to say that it hadn't been cleaned in months (and that's with repeated use, mind you) and yet had some crazed lunatic broken into the range and attacked me that afternoon I wouldn't have hesitated to trust it with my life. It breaks down quicker and easier than the Colt, isn't ammunition sensitive, and doesn't require any fine tuning to make it reliable.


Bottom line, I'd go with the Glock if I were you.

Mongo the Mutterer
October 6, 2005, 03:06 PM
G19 all the way. Also, spend some bucks for a Brooks A-Grip, and a SafTBlok.

With the 5.5 lb trigger pull, I like the SafTBlok (fits behind the trigger, and knocks out in an instant) at night.

The A-Grip is just a nicety.. My fiance loves it.

I have 1911s and other guns, but my G19 is my nighttime friend.

About 2000 to 2500 rds through it. Never failed to do anything I asked. I stake my life on it.

dasmi
October 6, 2005, 03:11 PM
My standard suggestion to someone buying their first home defense handgun, is a four inch .357 magnum revolver, from Smith, Ruger, or Taurus. .357 magnum for unpleasant situations, .38 special for cheap range time. (.357's can fire .38 specials.) I keep a 4 inch Ruger Police Service Six, made in 1977, loaded with .357 magnum hollow points next to my bed at night, and I sleep well.
But, if you really want a semiauto as your first gun, the Glock 19 is a great choice, I think. Reliable, easy to maintain, cheap, potent ammo.

gulogulo1970
October 6, 2005, 03:21 PM
Glocks are easy to shoot, clean, and learn how to use in a very proficient way in a short amount of time. I really like the three I own.

One thing, go to a range and rent one first, the grip angle is really funky for alot of people. It fits me like a glove, but that is me.

I currently own two 1911-type pistols and have owned two others and have yet to find one that I would trust my life with. If you want a gun that will work right out of the box a Glock is hard to beat, so is a revolver for that matter.

WT
October 6, 2005, 03:57 PM
The Glock 19 is a good choice. It is reliable and easy to strip and clean.

I would suggest that you handle one. If the grip feels good to you, then go for it. The trigger experience is different than other pistols but blondes are also different than redheads. Practice regularly and you will become 'one with the gun.'

Good luck.

sp40cal
October 6, 2005, 04:06 PM
Glocks are excellent firearms, and it has the best safety in the world.

KEEP YOUR FINGER OF THE TRIGER (THAT MY SAFETY)!!!!!!! :evil:

and it will work with all firearms.

Mongo the Mutterer
October 6, 2005, 05:01 PM
sp40cal don't you mean "keep your bugger hook off the bang switch?" :p

duncan
October 6, 2005, 05:12 PM
specialagent13:

As several have stated:

Before you buy any gun, I'd shoot several rental guns to make sure it fits you. None of that archair commando stuff around here. Guns are too expenisve to buy one without shooting it or at least that style of gun.

the Glock only has about 34 parts. Easiest gun to clean and strip.

Durable and accurate.

Lots of good compant 9mm's out there BUT really hard to beat a Glock.

On a good day at the shop, you should be able to find a used second gen G19 for $399. Second gen has no finger grooves, third gen has finger grooves.

With 9mm, the grooves do little to nothing. With 45 acp, 357 sig or 10mm, grooves preferable.

Sinsaba
October 6, 2005, 05:47 PM
Just to throw my $.02 in ...

As others have said... go to a range and rent a number of types. I'd only rent one type of Glock, they are all pretty much the same. Largest difference is inthe grip size.

If you are new to shooting, any handgun will feel strange in your hands... don't worry about it.

You will (or have) heard that the glock doesn't feel good, or doesn't point right, don't let that bother you because...

With enough practice any gun will work for you.

With all of that being said, if you try 6 guns and 3 of them feel just terrible in your hands and you couldn't even hit the target with them... do get them no matter what any of us here say. If you don't enjoy practicing with your pistol you won't practice enough.

Take the remaining 3 guns and judge them by various criteria; such as...

How easy is it to field strip
How dependable is it
How much does it weigh
What features are easy to get (for example ... night sights? Tach light?)
What is your selection of holsters like

Use criteria that is important to you. For example, I have a G19 and a Steyr M9.

FIELD STRIP
G19 - no tools needed............M9 - no tools needed

DEPENDABLE
G19 - FTF = 0.......................M9 - FTF = 0
G19 - FTE = 0 ......................M9 - FTE = 1/300
G19 - CLEAN = as desired........M9 - CLEAN = at least every 300 rounds

WEIGHT
G19 - Feels lighter than M9

FEATURES
G19..................................................M9
Tac light (Gen 3)................................Tac Light = no
Night sights - many manufactures..........Night sights - custom manufacture

HOLSTERS
G19..................................................M9
Almost all manufacturers make them.......Very limited ... Blade Tech makes a good one


The above is just an example. I purchased the M9 because I got a good deal on it . I already had a G17 so this was something differant. I like the Glock series of pistols. I will mention one thing that doesn't show in a short trip to the range.

When you pull the trigger, it goes BANG. If you don't pull the trigger, it won't go bang. Notice I didn't put any qualifiers in that like, "if you keep it clean".

Just remember... be safe, and practice, practice, practice.

mustanger98
October 6, 2005, 06:38 PM
The 1911A1 is the semi-auto I taught myself to shoot semi-autos with and none of that armchair commando/gangsta stuff. I'd already been shooting revolvers enough to know how recoil feels so there weren't any surprises. I'm reading a whole lot of anti-1911 stuff here and my experience is once I worked the one or two easy-to-fix bugs out, they'll reliably run with the best. And I'd bet my life on mine. I guess that's what I'm doing sleeping with it.

I do agree with trying out several different types and ignoring the hype. We all have a preference and it ain't always everybody else's preference. Like me- most guys my age seem to like wonder9's, but I like .45's.

If you are new to shooting, any handgun will feel strange in your hands... don't worry about it.

I don't know that they all will. IMO, it depends on what you get in your hands first. In my case, if all I want is a 9mm, I'll order a Star Model B wherever I can find one. Since I already know and like 1911's it'll fit what I intend to do with it.

BTW, Browning Hi-Power (P-35) is nice and I've looked at several. John M. Browning set out to do with it what he felt he should have done with the 1911. I just never could get past the price tag.

You will (or have) heard that the glock doesn't feel good, or doesn't point right, don't let that bother you because...

You heard it don't feel good in my post because, to me, it don't feel good. That blocky grip don't fit a lot of hands. However, according to Sheriff Jim Wilson, 80% or so of the shooting population can comfortably shoot a 1911A1 because the grip fits. My brother-in-law says he don't like a 1911A1 grip and he don't like anything heavy, and he's a ex-cop/mall-ninja. Point being, we all have a different idea to somebody.

With enough practice any gun will work for you.

Hmmm. I've heard from instructors I know that a gun really needs to fit your hand.

With all of that being said, if you try 6 guns and 3 of them feel just terrible in your hands and you couldn't even hit the target with them... do get them no matter what any of us here say. If you don't enjoy practicing with your pistol you won't practice enough.

I assume that's supposed to read "don't get them..." I agree with the part about if you don't enjoy practicing with your gun. You have to love your weapon to want to shoot it and shoot it well. If it hurts your hand in any way shape or form, you won't like it as well and you'll think the rest of us are crazy for liking whatever type that was.

It only took me 15minutes to learn to field strip my 1911A1 going by-the-book.

Darth Ruger
October 6, 2005, 07:56 PM
My standard suggestion to someone buying their first home defense handgun, is a four inch .357 magnum revolver, from Smith, Ruger, or Taurus.
I'll second that. The first gun I bought for home defense was a .357 Ruger GP100 with a 6" heavy barrel. Excellent quality and a very tough gun. But keep in mind I bought it specifically for home defense, not carry, so the size and weight wasn't an issue. My wife prefers it over semi-auto's and I still keep it loaded in my quick-access lock box. I'm glad there's something she can use if something happens when I'm not home.

Regarding the G19, before you plunk down your cash you should go to the range and rent a G19 and a G26. You might prefer the 26 instead. I also intended to buy a 19, until I rented them both one day for a comparison shoot. The 19 was great, but for some reason the 26 felt more natural to shoot and I was more accurate with it. The size of my hands had nothing to do with it. I'm average size, 5' 10", 190 lbs. It's just one of those things, everyone is different. The 'perfect' gun for one guy might not feel right for another guy the same size. That's why you have to try them for yourself and not just take someone's word for it.

Even though it has less capacity than the 19, I know better than to ignore what my instincts tell me I can shoot better, so I bought a 26. If you want more capacity, you can use G19 mags in a G26.

Darth Ruger
October 6, 2005, 08:09 PM
Practice regularly and you will become 'one with the gun.'To paraphrase a famous archer... "Become the bullet." :D


It only took me 15 minutes to learn to field strip my 1911A1 going by-the-book.It only took me 60 seconds to learn to field strip my Glock. :D

45R
October 6, 2005, 09:06 PM
Buy the Glock. It is hands down one of the easiest pistols to maintain and tear down. Magazines and parts are cheap and they are very easy to shoot.

After you buy your Glock, take a handgun class and buy alot of ammo.

mustanger98
October 6, 2005, 09:51 PM
It only took me 60 seconds to learn to field strip my Glock.

You must be about 8 years old then, because Glocks are about like a childproof aspirin bottle.

Editted to add: The above comment was made in jest.

Darth Ruger
October 6, 2005, 10:54 PM
Deleted by Darth Ruger.

Braden
October 6, 2005, 10:56 PM
Hey guys:
Here is the deal. Im going to buy my first handgun. I have fired some before like the colt 45 goldcup and some revolvers. I will use my gun for recreation, self defense at home and I will carry when i need it. I was thinking on the glock 19 but I have never used one. Is this a good choice? im also a little worried about maintanence. I have nobody to teach me. Will I be able to disassemble and assemble correctlyit just by reading instructions? Please help.

The G19 is an excellent choice, but you need to shoot one before you buy one. That goes for any handgun.

As far as maintenance goes, it doesn't really get any easier than a Glock. Your Glock owner's manual will tell you everything you need to know. It literally takes all of 10 seconds to field strip a Glock...and that's if you're slow like me.

mustanger98
October 6, 2005, 11:06 PM
Hey DR, I was kinda joking too. I just forgot to put the humor signs in. Sheesh...

But seriously, after the first few times fieldstripping anything it gets fast. I just don't see, from my own expereince, what the problem is with stripping a .45. I never could get a Glock to go right and that was with a sales rep talking me through it. ***shrug***

Darth Ruger
October 6, 2005, 11:10 PM
Okay then, innocent mistakes on both parts. To show goodwill, I just deleted my post. :D

mustanger98
October 6, 2005, 11:14 PM
My post is ammended for the same reason. :D

10-Ring
October 7, 2005, 01:30 AM
Really, any modern firearm will serve you well if you dedicate the time & effort in learning to shoot it properly...and there's the rub, to commit & learn to shoot your firearms well!

PS...the Glock would make a nice choice ;)

Texfire
October 7, 2005, 08:53 AM
I wonder why these threads always seem to devolve into Wondernine vs. 1911? Can't we stick to less incendiary topics like, oh say, religion or politics? ;)

Poking fun aside, I'm a big fan of picking up police trade-ins. You can get alot of bang for the buck. If you shop wisely then you can find a pistol that might have some holster wear, but hasn't been shot much. This happened when departments dumped their old .38 revolvers and went to the Glocks, and I fully expect it to happen again with the Glocks when the next new wonder comes along.

Kramer Krazy
October 7, 2005, 11:18 AM
HankB says:If you're buying a new Glock 19, be sure it's a late 3rd generation version (they have an extra crosspin in the frame above the trigger pivot pin)
I was comparing my 1994 G19 (1st generation?) with my newly acquired G26. My G19 does not have the extra pin that you mention, but my G26 does. When I took the slides off of each gun, I couldn't tell what this extra pin was for, so.......What is this second pin's function?

Sleeping Dog
October 7, 2005, 11:44 AM
If you prefer an external safety, why did you buy a Glock instead of a 1911?
It was a good deal. And it's a good gun. And you should keep your finger off the trigger of any gun til you want to shoot. But this one, you really, really, need to keep your finger off the trigger. It's just an extra training/practice effort.

And the 26 is smaller than the average 1911. That's an advantage.

middy
October 7, 2005, 12:23 PM
What is this second pin's function?
It's the locking block pin. It holds the locking block firmly in place to reduce potential wear. Probably not needed for a 9mm, there are tons of old 9mm Glocks that have 10s of 1000s of hot rounds through them with no problems. Glock probably added it to the 9mm just for uniformity.

Kramer Krazy
October 7, 2005, 01:35 PM
Middy says:It's the locking block pin. It holds the locking block firmly in place to reduce potential wear. Probably not needed for a 9mm, there are tons of old 9mm Glocks that have 10s of 1000s of hot rounds through them with no problems. Glock probably added it to the 9mm just for uniformity.
Thanks for the info. That was just about all I could figure it was....just a retaining pin.

Darth Ruger
October 7, 2005, 02:07 PM
IIRC, the new .40 cartridge is why Glock added the pin when they started making them in that caliber. Like you said, it was later added to the other models so they would all have the same design, simplifying manufacture. So even the 9mm models have it now even though they don't need it.

Or maybe it was 10mm... I forget now. Anyway, that was basically the situation.

heypete
October 7, 2005, 02:57 PM
The Glock 19 was my first firearm I've owned. Since then, I've bought another Glock (and am looking at yet a third), a whole bunch of rifles, a shotgun, and a Bersa .380 pistol.

I greatly enjoy the Glock 19, and feel that's very difficult indeed to go wrong with it. If you're comfortable shooting it, I strongly recommend it. It's exceedingly well made, durable, reliable, and will serve you well.

HankB
October 7, 2005, 02:59 PM
What is this second pin's function?IMHO Darth Ruger's answer is most complete.

It's one of those things that isn't really necessary, but it strenthens the pistol without adding weight or bulk . . . sort of like having your cake and eating it too.

Island Beretta
October 7, 2005, 06:35 PM
I keep hearing all this talk about Glocks being uber reliable.. I see more Glocks jam than any other guns and everytime they jam users excuses it away..

I too fell for the hype and bought a G19. Now the G19 is at the gun shop for sale because it is a jammatic...I am a bit stubborn however and will be purchasing a G34, yup you guess it won't be ccwing it..my Beretta has that honour.. though I am sure I will occassionally give it (g34) a carry....

heypete
October 7, 2005, 07:46 PM
I keep hearing all this talk about Glocks being uber reliable.. I see more Glocks jam than any other guns and everytime they jam users excuses it away..

I too fell for the hype and bought a G19. Now the G19 is at the gun shop for sale because it is a jammatic...I am a bit stubborn however and will be purchasing a G34, yup you guess it won't be ccwing it..my Beretta has that honour.. though I am sure I will occassionally give it (g34) a carry....

Really? I think I've had...*counts*...three jams in my Glock 19 out of about 7,000 rounds fired.

Two of them were "limp-wristing" when I took some rather petite women to the range and they didn't hold the gun properly, and the other one was due to an ammo problem (a underloaded reload).

Otherwise, the thing has happily digested thousands of rounds of ammo ranging from high-quality Speer Gold Dots to CCI Blazer aluminum cased, to Wolf steel cased, to Miwall commercial reloads, to range reloads, to PMC, to...well, you get the point.

Same goes for my Glock 26, though that has fewer rounds through it. In short: I've had essentially no problems whatsoever with my Glock pistols, and have been emminently satisfied with them.

That said, what type of jams were you having with your Glock? What kind of ammunition? Did you try different ammunition or magazines? Was it properly cleaned and lubricated?

Mongo the Mutterer
October 7, 2005, 09:03 PM
Pete +2

I bought a brand new Kimber and out of the box I had FTE's. 900 rds later, same issue. I'm changing the recoil spring.

Never ever had a problem with my G19. 3500 to 4000.


BTW have you ever changed your Glock springs, and if so, at what interval?

heypete
October 7, 2005, 09:11 PM
BTW have you ever changed your Glock springs, and if so, at what interval?

Nope, haven't changed springs yet. The only spring/part that needed to be replaced was the small leaf spring and plastic bit that allows one to remove the slide. For reasons unknown, both seem to have fallen out and disappeared. Replacement was a matter of $7 of parts from Lone Wolf Distributors, and about 10 seconds of installation.

I'm considering getting a non-captive mainspring when the OEM one wears out, but it's not an issue yet.

akluvr
October 7, 2005, 09:36 PM
I went through the academy with a Glock 17. Couldn't get it to jam. Lots of rounds, keeps going. As bad as it sounds, cleaning is an option if you want to. We had all kinds of guns on the firing line, the Glocks were the only ones that performed consistently. I later went to the 19 and still use it for every day carry. It will feed anything. Glock is like any other manufacturer, you will occasionally get a turkey. If it fits your hand (some folks don't care for it obviously), you could do a lot worse for a handgun. On the lighter side, if you do get one, be ready to start getting more in different sizes and calibers- they can get addictive. I'm starting to shop for a 26.

MaceWindu
October 7, 2005, 09:40 PM
I see more Glocks jam than any other guns and everytime they jam users excuses it away..

...and one time, at Gun Camp.... :rolleyes:

MaceWindu

akluvr
October 7, 2005, 09:42 PM
LOL Mace!

trigger45
October 8, 2005, 11:11 AM
G19 all the way!!!!!

Darth Ruger
October 8, 2005, 12:35 PM
I see more Glocks jam than any other guns and everytime they jam users excuses it away..
No excuses necessary here. My G26 has never jammed.

dxkj21
October 8, 2005, 12:55 PM
My wife shot a Glock at the range. Jammed twice in one mag..

so they CAN jam, just not always :)

gen
October 8, 2005, 02:37 PM
My wife shot a Glock at the range. Jammed twice in one clip..
MAGAZINE MAGAZINE MAGAZINE MAGAZINE

Edited to remove unwarranted message. The message was correct, but the tone was not.

Thank you.

Stephen A. Camp

MaceWindu
October 8, 2005, 03:22 PM
MAGAZINE MAGAZINE MAGAZINE MAGAZINE

#1 Cause of malfs....

MaceWindu

Darth Ruger
October 8, 2005, 04:09 PM
I only speak from my own experience. I never said Glocks can't jam,
just that mine never has.

dxkj21
October 8, 2005, 06:53 PM
Hey Gen, I slipped, I know its magazine :)

ReadyontheRight
October 8, 2005, 07:09 PM
I agree with the 1911 or a revolver crowd.

Best bet: Get a ~$700 1911 and a $300 Ruger or Browning semi-auto .22 and check out shooting NRA Bullseye.

Nothing wrong with a Glock though. A 1911 just has more soul...and a much better trigger.

mustanger98
October 9, 2005, 12:08 AM
ReadyontheRight:
I agree with the 1911 or a revolver crowd.

Best bet: Get a ~$700 1911 and a $300 Ruger or Browning semi-auto .22 and check out shooting NRA Bullseye.

Nothing wrong with a Glock though. A 1911 just has more soul...and a much better trigger.

You can get a good SA Inc. 1911A1 (mil spec) like I have and it's a good piece. I'm not the only one I know who ones one and thinks so. Those can be had for $400-450 and come with 3dot sights. I agree about soul and trigger.

Ruger's 22/45 with 5" bull barrel is a good choice in my opinion. The grip fits real close to a 1911A1 and the fire controls are a whole lot alike in position and direction of operation.

dxkj21
October 9, 2005, 01:03 AM
Yup darth, I was just pointing out that if they do Jam, it may be on the users part.... I fired it many times and had no problems... so if someone new to a gun gets a jam through it, check form etc first maybe

Braden
October 9, 2005, 01:36 AM
I keep hearing all this talk about Glocks being uber reliable.. I see more Glocks jam than any other guns and everytime they jam users excuses it away..

I too fell for the hype and bought a G19. Now the G19 is at the gun shop for sale because it is a jammatic...I am a bit stubborn however and will be purchasing a G34, yup you guess it won't be ccwing it..my Beretta has that honour.. though I am sure I will occassionally give it (g34) a carry....

Of the three Glocks I've owned and the thousands of rounds I've shot from them, I've had exactly ONE jam...a stovepipe. I was taking a beginner's combat handgun class and we were doing close quarters stuff...basically one handed point shooting from the hip. The first time I tried it I limp wristed it and the round stovepiped. It worked to my advantage though because it gave me a chance to practice the malfunction drill I had learned earlier in the day. :)

That is the one and only jam I've ever seen in a Glock and it was my own fault. Of all the classes I've taken and the ranges I've been to (where Glocks are abundant), that's the only one.

Darth Ruger
October 12, 2005, 04:12 AM
So, after asking a week ago and getting three pages of advice, has specialagent13 even read this thread? I also PM'd him and got no reply. :confused:

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