Thread Busters?....What's the deal?


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sonny
January 1, 2003, 08:58 PM
I hope everyone can appreciate what I am trying to do by posting this question ...I am almost possitive that I will be leaving myself open for critical and negative replies bit I kinda want to get something off my chest.

I have been a long time firearm enthusiast and a some what long time lurker and member of many firearm forums.Let's face it ,we don't really know each other for the most part,but I sure am glad that these forums exist and I can't begin to tell you how much I have learned.

Here's my problem .....a small problem....a problem that will ultimately not effect me in any way other than the fact that I need to satisfy my curiosity on the subject.

What are some of the reasons that people post and respond to threads?......in my case generally to get or give info or to share or ask others about their experiences with a company or product.Do you agree?
Then come the other reasons .....I guess?...to be part of a club or family type thing....Great!...But like in all families there are different personalities and age groups.......I can't begin to list the different types.

What I can't understand is why certain forumites (CHOOSE) to ignore the basic premise of a post,I often read responses that are a clear attempt to undermine a persons attempt at asking a simple question.Often their way of asking is a little off the wall (I have been guilty of that myself)...but all the same it is usually pretty clear what the person is asking....I can't imagine why some feel that is nessasary to complicate this.

The classic example is......I WANT A NEW .45 AND AFTER MONTHS OF HANDLING,SHOOTING AND PRICING I HAVE DECIDED ON THE HK OR SIG .......And the response ......GET A GLOCK.

All right.....sometimes it's humorous but sometimes it almost seems to get personal......it seems to me that it is important for some forumites to "show off" and try to make an ass out of somebody ......Well it's a free country and I am 100% against moderators that baby sit and over officiate a fair fight, but I wonder .....Why is it so important to some to behave this way?.....do you need approval from complete strangers that much?........if you ask me it's kinda sad.

I suspect this sort of behavior will always exist and I am fortunate enough to be the type that doesn't really give a @#$% what others think of me.

But I remain facinated by people that need to increase their # of posts by any means neccesary.

I would like to hear from others who find this sort of behavior annoying and like I said before I am 100% against censoring these people but I hope THE HIGH ROAD will be in the forefront when it comes to discouraging (not censoring) this stuff.

Does anyone agree?

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Mike Irwin
January 1, 2003, 09:04 PM
I think the best phrase to describe all of this is...

Opinions are excretory orifices (wow! I like that vulgarity filter!)

Everyone has one. Whether you want to hear it or not.

Redlg155
January 1, 2003, 09:10 PM
Some folks seem to have two. :D

My personal pet peeve is when someone attempts to undermine a sale on the "for sale" forums. If you don't want to purchase the weapon because you think the price is too high... fine, then don't. If you think something is illegal about the potential purchase, take it to PM or notify a moderator.

It just irks me to see a long winded discussion on whether or not someone can or should sell an item. Either it's legal and can be sold or illegal and should be retracted.

GET A GLOCK.

Kinda reminds me of a certain Sig guy. :D

Good Shooting
RED

faustulus
January 1, 2003, 09:10 PM
I fail to see how "get a glock" is a personal attack or how it undermines the intent of the post. Maybe I am misunderstanding the question. I don't really think it is a good idea to try to discern the intent of the poster, he could be serious or he could be funny, that is decided by the reader.
I usally figure they are being funny, in which case humor is always appreciated or presenting an alternative I haven't considered, again always appreciated.
Just ignore them if you find them annoying that is usually the best solution.

pax
January 1, 2003, 09:15 PM
I suspect this sort of behavior will always exist and I am fortunate enough to be the type that doesn't really give a @#$% what others think of me.
Sonny,

If that's true, why'd you need the rant?

pax

Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted. -- Ralph Waldo Emerson

Schuey2002
January 1, 2003, 09:16 PM
Mike is right. :)

El Tejon
January 1, 2003, 09:17 PM
Maybe I'm just not as sensitive. It's just the Errornet, but since when did an opinion become a personal attack?

O.K., "get a Glock." Guy's had his say. Fine. Move on.

sonny
January 1, 2003, 09:23 PM
...................................GET A GLOCK...........................................

Not a personal "attack"....but a subtle form of assuming that the buyer "has not done his or her research".....on their .45 choice even when the poster makes it clear as day that they are not for whatever reason interested in another weapon.

Often I think it is fine to suggest another weapon...when the poster seems to be open for suggestion....but why complicate a simle question.

I want black or white......green?.....I just don't think that kind of response is nessesary.....but.....whatever :confused:

Betty
January 1, 2003, 09:23 PM
Well it's a free country and I am 100% against moderators that baby sit and over officiate a fair fight

"Fair fight" - should be "fair and civil discussion or debate". Moderators step in when civil discussions have turned into online fights.

I suspect this sort of behavior will always exist and I am fortunate enough to be the type that doesn't really give a @#$% what others think of me.

Precisely, that kind of behavior will always be around, from people who can't answer a poster's questions, to people who can't control their language. :scrutiny:

I would like to hear from others who find this sort of behavior annoying and like I said before I am 100% against censoring these people but I hope THE HIGH ROAD will be in the forefront when it comes to discouraging (not censoring) this stuff.

The staff at the High Road step in when threads do not meet forum rules. All members agree to abide by the forum rules when registering, and breaching forum rules qualifies as Breach of Contract, and those members are either warned or banned. Not answering a person's question can be annoying, but not bannable or really even warnable, unless it breaches forum rules.

Gewehr98
January 1, 2003, 09:24 PM
The guy says "Get a Glock", in response to a message thread that asks "What all-steel, non-polymer, non-Austrian designed, non-safe action trigger semiauto pistol should I buy?" :D

Blackhawk
January 1, 2003, 09:24 PM
What are some of the reasons that people post and respond to threads?......in my case generally to get or give info or to share or ask others about their experiences with a company or product.Do you agree? Agree.What I can't understand is why certain forumites (CHOOSE) to ignore the basic premise of a post,I often read responses that are a clear attempt to undermine a persons attempt at asking a simple question. Surely you've been in informal discussions among several people who don't know one another all that intimately. The discussions seldom stay either serioius or on topic. Suddenly somebody will ask, "How'd we get to talking about this when we started talking about that?" That's just the way people are.

Even FORMAL business meetings need somebody to keep everybody on topic. I don't think there's any malevolent intent to hijack threads, but it happens very predictably.I would like to hear from others who find this sort of behavior annoying and like I said before I am 100% against censoring these people but I hope THE HIGH ROAD will be in the forefront when it comes to discouraging (not censoring) this stuff.

Does anyone agree? It's annoying when you're not going OT and when you're truly interested in the original point. However, as a business leader I greatly admired mentored me "If something can't be said on one piece of paper, you're not ready to say it." He hated rambling memos. The point? There's rarely a thread topic that doesn't get adequately addressed within relatively few responses. Then it's time for playing, or so it seems.

THR, and TFL before it, benefit greatly from really good moderators who play the role of keeping the threads relevant to the purpose of the forum, and that's not always the purpose of individual threads.

I appreciate the opportunity to simply cease reading threads that no longer interest me. It helps keep me from getting uptight about the irrelevant crud that inevitibly shows up if they drag on long enough. I'm often sad for the moderators who don't really have that unfettered opportunity. Can you imagine having the obligation to read everything that gets posted? :what:

Bottom line: Lighten up and enjoy what you can while you can. :D

MLH
January 1, 2003, 09:25 PM
That some people just never grow up. They have a little knowledge and want to make it look like they are God's gift to the common man. Best not to take the bait or just treat it as humor and look for a more intelligent answer to come along, which it will probably do on the next post if your lucky. Many smart folks on this board that will help you if you give them the chance. It does'nt take long for you to figure out which ones are smart and which are smart-@#$%&. I believe that you will find that this forum is going to be the most civilized on the net and the mods will let good conversation go on as long as we stay civil.;)

Redlg155
January 1, 2003, 09:27 PM
all-steel, non-polymer, non-Austrian designed, non-safe action trigger semiauto pistol should I buy?"

Sounds like the FBI HRT weapon specs when they went looking for a new handgun.:D

Good Shooting
Red

tomkatz
January 1, 2003, 09:27 PM
If I see that a post has been answered sufficiently, I stay out, if opinions are asked for and I have one, I sometimes wade on in, If nobody has answered a particular post and I have an answer I do so, I think sometimes when someone says "get a glock" they are trying to be a little humorous, nothing wrong with that, anyway I see what you mean, but as long as everyone keeps it civil what is the harm?....tom

sonny
January 1, 2003, 09:31 PM
Pax,
To see if this is an issue with others obviously,when I say I don't give a @#$% what others think of ME it does not nessesarely mean that I am not interested in how common my opinion is.

Betty
January 1, 2003, 09:45 PM
Can you imagine having the obligation to read everything that gets posted?

Well, gosh Blackhawk! At 427 posts, aren't YOU already doing that? :D

pax
January 1, 2003, 09:51 PM
Runt, Blackhawk's not just reading it all -- he's writing most of it!

:neener:

pax

If you can't laugh at yourself, make fun of other people. -- Bobby Slayton

2dogs
January 1, 2003, 09:52 PM
Who wants a Glock? I don't want any Glock.






What?






:neener:

Betty
January 1, 2003, 09:53 PM
Hey, how does everybody like Oleg's new word filter? :p

Gewehr98
January 1, 2003, 09:55 PM
that don't have a Blackhawk posting in them. Precious few. :D

sonny
January 1, 2003, 10:00 PM
I've been moderated!

Pax,
To see if this is an issue with others obviously,when I say I don't give a @#$% what others think of ME it does not nessesarely mean that I am not interested in how common my opinion is.

:D

Edited by Preacherman to add: Now you've been un-moderated! :D

Betty
January 1, 2003, 10:03 PM
sonny,
Couldn't you just settle for "poo" or "excrement" or leave it out entirely?

sonny
January 1, 2003, 10:04 PM
Poo will do in the future.

Redlg155
January 1, 2003, 10:05 PM
Since I see the demise of this thread somewhere in the near future I have but one last thing to say..


Sonny...GET A GLOCK!:D

Good Shooting
RED

trapshooter
January 1, 2003, 10:06 PM
What's a glock?;) :evil:

sonny
January 1, 2003, 10:06 PM
Got one!

sm
January 1, 2003, 10:09 PM
Well I see the word filter...works:D

[see I found a portion of thread in which reference to a firearm did not have to occur, I used good language, didn't offend anyone...and gave an honest appraisel...didn't break any rules]

AZTOY
January 1, 2003, 10:10 PM
Sonny

I think your thread just got highjacked.:neener:

MountainPeak
January 1, 2003, 10:18 PM
Sonny, if you would please give a little more detail on what annoys you by the rest of us gun site posters, I will be sure and not clutter up your IMPORTANT pontifications!:rolleyes:

sonny
January 1, 2003, 10:25 PM
STOP MAKING FUN OF ME!......:fire: ....you're not funny, I can't take it anymore....I must have complete control!

Is that what you want to hear MOUNTAIN PEAK?

Gimme a break....Post all you like and have a good time pal.

Diesle
January 1, 2003, 10:26 PM
There are plenty of mouths on any forum that have made tinkle on their computer in a sorry attempt to lay claim on an obviously public area.

Humans like to socialize and socialy engeneer thier environments.

Ill take the best and leave the rest.

Diesle

Mike Irwin
January 1, 2003, 10:30 PM
"but a subtle form of assuming that the buyer "has not done his or her research"....."

I'm not certain I agree with that, Sonny.

I think a lot of it is based on someone's personal experiences with an individual piece of kit.

If they like it, they're necessarily going to be a homer for it.

They're postulating on what you should get based on THEIR experience, not saying you haven't done your homework.

sonny
January 1, 2003, 10:36 PM
Mike,
That's true sometimes.I guess I'm talking about when it's obvious and the poster sounds as if they know what they are talking about.

TallPine
January 1, 2003, 10:52 PM
Hey, I think the forum is like a bar where you bring your own drinks, talk or listen, and you don't have to worry about driving home afterwards. A place to learn, a place to BS, and a place to joke around a little or a lot.

Sometimes you can't find a place like that in the "real world"

I mostly "listen" and learn, posit an opinion once in a while, and throw in some humor here and there. The British would call me a "wag". God knows the world is a tough enough place - might as well lighten it up a little now and then.

Nothing anyone says bothers me unless they are making a personal attack on someone just because their opinions differ.

grampster
January 1, 2003, 10:56 PM
I do agree that when someone is merely asking a simple question, he may be looking for a simple answer. So, I'm with the earlier comment about stopping reading when one gets bored with a bunch of propundiating ( I know what propundiating is because I do it, all the time, I think now actually). Usually if I am seeking info and ask a question I am hoping for a solution and scan the answers and take what I need.
On the other hand, I have seen some simple questions take off into some of the more interesting discussion that I have had the pleasure of reading and thinking about, and even joining in from time to time. Sometimes humor edges in and that's even better.
On the other, other hand this is a forum that reaches thousands and gives one the opportunity of communication with people that one would never have met or talked with or be confronted with like or opposing ideas in a civilized fashion. What a stunning value that is. It's like reading the paper, but you get to talk back. With THR, most folks are actually intelligent and reasonable.
I for one am pleased to be a part of this forum, with all my warts and with all of yours as well.
Heck, just the other day I posted some blather on a thread about who's going to have the most posts, the fastest, and offered what I thought at the time was immensely humorous and tongue in cheek comments about Oleg not recognizing that I had posted 1400 threads by Christmas. Of course I had sipped about 10 fingers of really good scotch before I shared my wit and wisdom. I awoke the next day and remembered my nit wittery and with slowly increasing dread, checked to see the reaction to my baloney. It was not there......halleluliah......a moderator did not have a sense of humor ( or did and recognized my lack of it) and deleted it. Or....maybe I didn't hit enter......? Oh well...saved again.
Grampster

sonny
January 1, 2003, 11:00 PM
TallPine,I like your analogy

Lone_Gunman
January 1, 2003, 11:02 PM
Instead of starting this thread, you should have gotten a Glock.

pax
January 1, 2003, 11:18 PM
LG,

LOL! :D

pax

They laughed at Einstein. They laughed at the Wright Brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown. -- Carl Sagan

PATH
January 2, 2003, 12:04 AM
HAving read through this whole thread cna someone explain to me what it is all about.

By the by I don't have a Glock. Should I get one!:D

Jeff OTMG
January 2, 2003, 12:17 AM
I agree sonny and with this response I am not trying to advance my thread count. If I have something to add to a thread I will.

Tamara
January 2, 2003, 01:36 AM
Tamara's Laws of Internet Gun Forums: (http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=96311&perpage=25&highlight=tamaras%20laws&pagenumber=1)


Law Number Twelve:

If: Someone asks for a recommendation on a gun, any gun (long gun, revolver, shotgun, whatever),

Then: within five posts, someone will recommend a Glock.

;)

PATH
January 2, 2003, 01:42 AM
Truer words have ne'er been spoken.

sonny
January 2, 2003, 01:53 AM
I'd like to see the other 11........where can I find em

Tamara
January 2, 2003, 02:19 AM
Actually, there's only two others (I haven't made up the other nine yet! :D ) They're in the TFL thread at the link in my post, but I'll reprint 'em here:

Law Number Seven:

If: someone asks for a gun recommendation, and specifically excludes Gun X in their request, due to it being too heavy/big/small/expensive/cheap/ugly/powerful/wimpy,

Then: within 5 posts, someone will recommend Gun X.

Law Number Four:

If: Someone asks for a recommendation on a gun, and lays out certain requirements,

Then: within five posts someone will recommend a gun that does not fit the required characteristics, but is good "because I own one"/"it's my favorite".

:)

sm
January 2, 2003, 02:26 AM
Yes those Rules need to be here. When things get caught up they should be in the links-at top of page. We just can't wait for the other 9 :D

Pendragon
January 2, 2003, 02:32 AM
Sometimes people ask "To get to the highway, do I go North or South?"

Sometime the answer is "West".


And sometimes we just feel like saying "West".

sonny
January 2, 2003, 02:33 AM
I saw them in the link you added ......I thought I missed the others......I'll be on the lookout

JohnBT
January 2, 2003, 01:04 PM
To answer the original question about thread busters...
I figured they did it because they couldn't read the question.

As long as I'm here:

"Then: within five posts, someone will recommend a Glock."
Won't be me.

How 'bout them Redskins?
(I think you have to live with a 100 miles of D.C. to appreciate the tired humor in that phrase.)

John

MLH
January 2, 2003, 01:05 PM
which rule says within 5 posts someone will bash a Glock?;)

coati
January 2, 2003, 04:19 PM
No one's asked if the Glock is 9mm or 45.

2nd Amendment
January 2, 2003, 04:40 PM
May I recommend Gun X?

six 4 sure
January 2, 2003, 04:46 PM
My I offer another Law

Be suspicious of any post where the author claims that he is a Sergeant of a three-man Rapid Tactical Force at one of America's largest indoor retail shopping areas especially if they also claim to be a master of three martial arts including ninjitsu.;)

ball3006
January 2, 2003, 04:59 PM
I don't have a Model 23......I am also a wise acre and will not pass up an opportunity to make fun at something to create humor. I realize there are some folks out there that have no humor and the world is a very serious place, like my Dad, who are offended if someone makes joke with them. For them I feel sorry as life is too short. They are the ones that will get upset when I laugh at their poor target, only ones I know except for the Dallas cops, shot 70 times at a guy and only hit him three times and he lived. I have learned tons of information on these forums and hope I learn more and have fun doing it....chris3

sonny
January 2, 2003, 05:13 PM
ball3006,

I am also a wise acre and will not pass up an opportunity to make fun at something to create humor.

I have no problem with that,as a matter of fact I enjoy and encourage it .
I just don't like it when it complicates someones decision on a serious subject.
I think some people rely on these forums for serious advice as oposed to serious opinions.
I may be wrong but it would be a shame if ever someone steered another (naive or uninformed) gunowner in the wrong direction for the sake of being humorous.
Not VERY probable but a possibility.

ruger357
January 2, 2003, 05:22 PM
Get a 1911.:evil:

Triad
January 2, 2003, 07:33 PM
Another law: Whenever someone asks for opinions on which gun to buy in X calber, within five posts someone will spout off with some nonsense about X caliber being utterly worthless. They will also question the sanity, intelligence, species and legitimacy of the person asking the question, and anyone who would dare use X caliber. This will conclude with the recommendation (or command) to buy a gun that shoots Y caliber.

Beren
January 2, 2003, 08:08 PM
"Get a Glock"

That's not a thread buster, it's the best advice one man can ever give another!!

:evil:

Orion
January 2, 2003, 09:55 PM
I asked this same question a few months back on TFL after I inquired about the slipping quality of a production custom gun maker and was promptly called a fool becuase it bothered me that I had 5 or 6 "get a Glock" answers and only 1, yes, 1 answer about the percieved slip in quality at that gun maker.

One thing is certain, If you mock the Glocksters you will be called on the carpet about it.

All I can say is "get a Glock" if you want what some schmuck thinks is the best gun for you.

I personally would ask about quality, I would ask about resale value but I would never ask this or any other forum what they think I should spend my money on. YMMV.:)

Tamara
January 3, 2003, 01:29 AM
One thing is certain, If you mock the Glocksters you will be called on the carpet about it.

If you mock the Glocksters, you will be called on the carpet for it. Also, the 1911sters, the SIGsters, the HKsters and all the other sters out there. :eek:

Mock other guns all you want, but we'd like to remind everyone that this is not the place to mock other members. ;)

Orion
January 3, 2003, 01:34 PM
Tamara perhaps you could re read my post and understand that I was not the initiator of the attack but I was on the recieving end of the sh#&storm for daring to get out of Glockstep with the forum glockophites.

You in fact tried to inform me that some Glock owners had to save up money to buy those guns and that I should expect a reaction for not understanding. I never got a response from you about my saving up three times as long to get that production custom gun.

I guess people that save longer for a gun should be more patient with thread hijackers too.:rolleyes:

redneck2
January 3, 2003, 05:25 PM
another rule, #....(OK, whichever one hasn't been taken)

within 5 posts, somebody who doesn't likes Glocks complains because they don't have a safety.....

then within 5 posts, there's five replies "You moron, they have not 1, not 2, but THREE"

to the original poster (can't remember who now...)

is this one of your examples of threads that get off topic??

:p

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