Rainier leadsafe bullets?


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Shear_stress
October 6, 2005, 09:03 AM
Just curious if anyone has tried these. They appear to be lightly copper plated, not really jacketed. The price is pretty good, and I wouldn't object to lower levels of airborne lead.

Any real difference in accuracy between these and regular cast semi-wadcutters?

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Master Blaster
October 6, 2005, 10:02 AM
I tried them in .45 acp 200 gr. swc, and 9mm 125gr hollow point. They are excellent quality, and do not smoke like cast bullets or lead the barrel. You can drive them to about 1200 fps with no stripping of the plating according to the manufacturer, IMHO you could probably drive them a little faster. I load them subsonic for target shooting, and to about 950 FPS in .45acp and to about 1100 fps in 9mm My glocks and my highpower love them. They are very consitent. Better quality then Berrys plated which had a poor finnish to the plating the last time I ordered them (white spots / pits). I recommend them highly. Today at lunch I will be shooting some in .45acp from my new taurus tracker, It seems to like them based on my firing 100 rounds on Sunday. The load I am using is 5.5 grains of titegroup under the 200 gr SWC. The only drawback is that the folks who sell them Natchez, Midway, all charge an arm and a leg for shipping them UPS, I am expecting a box of 1000 200swc today and the shipping from Natchez was $16.49 for 37 pounds. The manufacturer requires an order of 35,000 to buy direct :eek:

If Natchez or Midway used USPS they could ship about 75 lbs of them (2000) for about $9.

BigSlick
October 6, 2005, 10:44 AM
I like Rainiers for a plinking load. Plated bullets are more common than a lot of folks think, most of the low priced pistol bullets made by Speer are plated.

Hey MB, you can pickup the 200 SWC from Cabelas with a price of 32.99/500 with a delivery charge of $6.75 anywhere in the US. Details of Cabelas shipping rates (https://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/content/secure/checkout/faqs/faqcontent/costs.jsp)

HTH

BigSlick

BigDog(RE)
October 6, 2005, 10:44 AM
Master Blaster:

You might try ordering them from Cabela's, they do use flat rate shipping, so it does not cost an arm and leg. However, their packing leaves a lot to be desired...

**EDIT** It looks like Big Slick and I had the same idea at the same time!

Souris
October 6, 2005, 10:48 AM
I have heard good things about them. I have not used them yet.
I tried to get out cheaper by going with a copper wash bullet from National Bullet Co. I was disappointed in what I recieved from them and will not order from them again. The copper wash bullets looked like someone had spray painted them, they had mold/swage lines on them and they were over lubricated. I had to clean each round after loading and the dies after ~100 rnds.
Once I get done using up the NB bullets I plan on ordering ~2000 of the Rainer plated bullets.

There is a THR member trying to get a group buy together. Here is the Link (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=154348)
He says tht he can go pick up the bullets and mail them using the Priority mail bulk prices and he estimates that to be $9/ 2000.

BigSlick
October 6, 2005, 10:50 AM
Irrefutable evidence that great minds think alike :cool:

Welcome to TFL BigDog, keep thinking like me and your rep will go south fast ;)

BigSlick

caz223
October 6, 2005, 10:56 AM
I loaded the 125 grain 9mm rainier hollow point bullets in 357SIG case, and drove them to well over 1500 FPS by accident. Loaded 'em with over 10 grains of blue dot, and a magnum primer. Through a converted G20 with a 6" barrel. Oops.
Not recommended.
The groups went south on me, but there wasn't any funny stuff on the paper like keyholes, plating flak, etc.

Master Blaster
October 6, 2005, 11:29 AM
Thanks for the info on cabellas shipping, I dont normally think of them for reloading supplies.

armoredman
October 6, 2005, 11:39 AM
I loaded 500 115gr Raniers for my PO1, and they worked just fine. I'd like to try the leadfree, someday.
I have some Berry's to try out, whenever I get out to the range again!

Shear_stress
October 6, 2005, 01:04 PM
Thanks for the great information. I actually found these bullets for sale on the Cabelas website. Looks like I'm going to need to pop down there this afternoon and grab some reloading supplies.

Unisaw
October 6, 2005, 01:05 PM
I have used the 230 gr .45ACP round nose for several years and really like them. I have never had a problem with them.

shooting time
October 6, 2005, 01:20 PM
I have been using them in my MP-5 for a couple of years now with no problems and also in .45 cal guns can't beat em for the price I get them from Black Hills SS

Slip Shooter
October 6, 2005, 02:32 PM
I basically no longer use lead bullets. I have been using Ranier plated bullets for about 7 years now with outstanding results in several revolvers. I also use the 230 gr. HP in my M1911. After shooting several thousand of them, I am very pleased and reluctant go back to casting or purchasing commercial lead bullets. The plated bullets do not lead the barrel and are a delight to load. I have had only one issue when I first started loading plated. I applied too heavy a roll crimp on my .45 Colt loads and had erratic grouping. I determined very quickly that the crimp was cutting through the plating and probably causing the plating to tear away or separate from the lead core. I now use a taper crimp very successfully. If you prefer to not cast your own then plated bullets may be the economical way to go. There are velocity restraints as mentioned above. For high velocity hard hitting loads I use jacketed bullets and restrain myself to plated bullets for lighter and mid-level loads which comprises 95% of my shooting. Loading data is rather scarce for them, but you can substitute lead bullet loads for plated bullets. Just use the usual precautions starting 10% lower than maximum, etc. They are really worth trying. I think you will like them.

Rico567
October 6, 2005, 11:24 PM
+1 on everything Slip Shooter said. I, too, would be reluctant to be loading up some max honkers with plated, but I've used Rainiers for some time and really like them in light-to-medium loads. Diameter & weight are very consistent, and I currently have loaded ammo in .45 ACP, the 200 gr. FP and 230 gr. RN, in .40 S&W, the 165 gr. FP, and in .357 the 158 gr. RNFP, and they all perform exceptionally well.

tc300mag1
October 6, 2005, 11:28 PM
There good as long as your not driving them to fast i keep mine loaded pretty much liek a factory load..

As stated above Get them from cabelas im ordering most my reloading bullets from there becuse there shipping is the best compared to everyone else

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