Don't bring a sword to a gunfight...


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Preacherman
October 6, 2005, 11:39 AM
From the Denver Channel (http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/5051208/detail.html):

Man With Sword Confronts Burglars, Gets Shot

Three Men Enter Home Wearing Ski Masks, Dark Clothing

POSTED: 12:19 pm MDT October 3, 2005
UPDATED: 6:50 pm MDT October 3, 2005

LONE TREE, Colo. -- A 20-year-old man in Lone Tree is recovering from his injuries after he confronted three burglars in his home with a samurai sword and was shot in the leg.

The man is in stable condition at a local hospital. Police have not released his identity, 7NEWS reported.

The Douglas County Sheriff's Department said a woman called 911 just after 12:30 a.m. Monday, saying that her boyfriend was jolted awake by a noise inside the home. The woman said when her boyfriend went to investigate the noise, he saw three masked men rifling through the house, grabbing money and other valuables.

When the masked men fled the house through a side door in the garage, the victim then grabbed a sword and went out the front door to confront them, 7NEWS reported. That is when one of the burglars turned around and fired a single shot at the victim, authorities said.

Neighbors said they heard a loud noise that sounded like fireworks and then they saw the burglars flee in a dark sedan.

"I saw two guys getting into a dark vehicle, I believe it was black, and they were heading north on Mercury Drive with no lights on," said a neighbor, who wanted to be identified only as Robin.

Police are looking for three men, described as a black man, a Hispanic man, and a white man.

The Hispanic suspect is said to be a husky or overweight man about 5 feet 6 inches tall, 150 pounds, with brown hair and dark black eyebrows. The black suspect was described as thin man with a light complexion who was about 5 feet 11 inches tall and between 130 to 140 pounds. The white suspect was said to be muscular, about 6 feet tall, and 150 to 160 pounds.

They were wearing ski masks and dark clothing from head to toe, including black gloves and black windbreaker pullovers, deputies said.

Investigators would not say how much money was taken or what valuables are missing. The home intrusion occurred in the 13000 block of Mercury Drive, near Park Meadows Mall.

Others who were in the home at the time were not hurt. The victim rents the home with three other men.

Investigators believe that the victim did not know the burglars and the crime was random.

Neighbors are a bit alarmed that burglars could be so brazen.

"It's scary. Maybe they were trying to get into my house and my dogs scared them off. I don't know," said Robin.

Deputies believe that the intruders entered the home through a side door connected to the garage.

Anyone with information regarding this incident is asked to call the Douglas County Sheriff's Office tip line at (303) 660-7579.

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El Tejon
October 6, 2005, 11:50 AM
Apparently the burglars do not read THR or they would seen the sword thread in S & T and realize what a highly lethal weapon the sword is. :D

geekWithA.45
October 6, 2005, 11:55 AM
Having a 3 foot long sharp stick to wave around is more comforting than having an 8 inch $1k club.

And that's about it.

Camp David
October 6, 2005, 11:55 AM
THIS SEEMS LIKE A GOOD POST TO ASK=>

Do any of you know a vendor that makes good swords custom made?

I have purchased three swords in the last few years and each of them broke; my experience is that most of those selling swords today make them for ornamental purposes rather than traditional defense...Although these swords look great, a few light hits generally breaks them at grip/pommel...

I need a good quality steel sword that is one solid piece, from hilt to tip...and tang (steel inside of pommel grip) is not reduced to tube, which will invariably break...

Anyone?

AirForceShooter
October 6, 2005, 12:01 PM
he chased them with a sword.
Calling Mr. Darwin.

AFS

Telperion
October 6, 2005, 12:22 PM
Can't help wondering if this is one those guys who says, "Guns are for pussies, anyone who comes after me, I've got a sword!" :D

kage genin
October 6, 2005, 12:30 PM
Police are looking for three men, described as a black man, a Hispanic man, and a white man.
"Ebony and Ivory... together in perfect harmony...." :neener:
What a true 'melting pot' America is :p

Mr.None
October 6, 2005, 12:45 PM
Man i think that who brings a sword to a gun fight is an prity big ass.
What does he think taht hes an jedy or what?

Once i was wathing the TV and a hawe seen an black "ninja" in the front of the mall and he was the one who think that the police will be afraid from a black assholl whit a sword.

But ... il tell ya that they shoot at him whit those lil sacks whit leed or what and he was stil standing.
Later he was shot whit a lil peper spray but still nothing.

but he gived up when they aparid him whit a firehose and throud a leter in him.


So i think KIDS dont play that your a ninja becose theyl sooner or later will shoot your ass. :scrutiny:

Third_Rail
October 6, 2005, 12:59 PM
Camp David, check your PMs.

50 Freak
October 6, 2005, 01:48 PM
One word: DUMAS

Chasing three armed robbers with a basically a long "kitchen knife". What was this guy thinking? Probably thought he'd deflect their bullets with his sword and then as they threw their empty guns at him, he'd finish them off. :banghead: :banghead:

boofus
October 6, 2005, 01:58 PM
Shoulda used the Jedi mind trick on them.

"These aren't the valuables you're looking for."

SalukiFan
October 6, 2005, 02:05 PM
Ah. This reminds me of an experience that I had a couple of years ago.

I walked into a geek store called "The Dragon's Claw" (you know, one of those places that sells Klingon accessories, chainmail, ninja gear, etc.) and saw a sickly looking guy with a black trench coat and a scraggly ponytail holding a katana.

He was waving the thankfully unsharpened sword around and mouthing off to his friends. He said, and I quote:

"Yeah, if anyone ever broke into my house, I would pull out my katana and say, 'You can leave now...or you can leave later...'

'IN PIECES!'

I ran out of the store, LMAO. :D
Unbelievable - someone actually tried this lunacy!

Mongo the Mutterer
October 6, 2005, 02:09 PM
Police are looking for three men, described as a black man, a Hispanic man, and a white man.Okay, we got a description of these racially diverse theives.

The Hispanic suspect is said to be a husky or overweight man about 5 feet 6 inches tall, 150 pounds, with brown hair and dark black eyebrows. The black suspect was described as thin man with a light complexion who was about 5 feet 11 inches tall and between 130 to 140 pounds. The white suspect was said to be muscular, about 6 feet tall, and 150 to 160 pounds.Wow. Good Descriptions.

They were wearing ski masks and dark clothing from head to toe, including black gloves and black windbreaker pullovers, deputies said.Okay, maybe I'm dense, but this crime happened at 12:30 AM (night). Who got these descriptions and how did they get them? The homeowner? If he could see these guys so good with their ski masks and dark clothing, why didn't he see the guns they shot him with? Doesn't make any sense.

More accurate newpaper reporting, as usual.

LaEscopeta
October 6, 2005, 03:01 PM
I doubt this is a true story, but supposedly President Reagan met some WWII Medal of Honor winners at a Veteran’s Day event, and asked one of them how he single handedly held off a platoon of Japanese. “Well Mr. President, first they tried a Banzai change, and I took careful aim and first shot the guy waving the sword around.”
“Ahh,” said Reagan “You took out the officer first.”
“NO!” he said “I shot the guy waving the damn sword. Have you ever had someone come at you with a sword? You’d shoot him first too. Either that or run away.”

Mr.None, I’m hoping English is not your first language.

Luchtaine
October 6, 2005, 03:09 PM
I think it was joke post but what do I know. yeah the Japanese seemed to think the Bonzai charge was viable I mean they put bayonets on their machineguns even. High rate of fire no sir heavy base for my bayonet.

RaggedClaws
October 6, 2005, 03:11 PM
LaEscopeta, that scene was in the book Cryptonomicon by Neal Stephenson :)

Omni04
October 6, 2005, 03:28 PM
Ah. This reminds me of an experience that I had a couple of years ago.

I walked into a geek store called "The Dragon's Claw" (you know, one of those places that sells Klingon accessories, chainmail, ninja gear, etc.) and saw a sickly looking guy with a black trench coat and a scraggly ponytail holding a katana.

He was waving the thankfully unsharpened sword around and mouthing off to his friends. He said, and I quote:

"Yeah, if anyone ever broke into my house, I would pull out my katana and say, 'You can leave now...or you can leave later...'

'IN PIECES!'

I ran out of the store, LMAO.
Unbelievable - someone actually tried this lunacy!


hahahahahaha! This wasn't in Kentucky was it? If so i think i know the guy!

Gewehr98
October 6, 2005, 03:37 PM
Was a previously convicted felon, and not legally able to own a firearm? :confused:

waterhouse
October 6, 2005, 03:39 PM
Camp David

I know nothing about swords, but my brother has one from Bugei and is very happy with it.

You might want to check them out.

SalukiFan
October 6, 2005, 03:48 PM
hahahahahaha! This wasn't in Kentucky was it? If so i think i know the guy!
Nope, it was in Indiana but you never know, maybe he drove up here from Kentucky to buy his ninja tactical gear...

mustanger98
October 6, 2005, 04:25 PM
This thread reminds me of a dumbass that used to live next door to me. He thought he was a blacksmith and made crude swords from inferior (for that) steels. He said "I'm not into guns because I'm not into killing people". :confused: The irony was he was always coming in my house with his sword and wouldn't shut up about ninja movies and killing people and kept on and on talking stuff that nauseated me and thought that was funny. And dumbass kept chasing my sister who wasn't interested in him in the least. One evening I sat down and cleaned my old single action Ruger .45Colt in front of him and loaded it up with Silvertips. He never did get the point, but thankfully he finally quit coming around and later moved out of this county.

Red Tornado
October 6, 2005, 04:25 PM
C'mon, I thought everyone knew, swords are not for chasing gunmen, they're for hiding behind doors and decapitating gunmen so you can pick up their gun.

Camp David, I found Angel Sword (http://www.angelsword.com/) that looks likely, but I don't really know anythink more than what's on their website. I've got a carbon steel katana that I've had for years (very functional) but I can't remember the guy I got it from. He's from Kansas, maybe Olethe, but sells at the Bonner Springs renfest every year. If I can find the receipt I'll let you know, but it's been 10 years.

If there's a renaissance festival near where you are, check it out. There is usually at least one armourer and you can actually check the feel of the weapons and decide what really works for you.
Good luck,
RT

MechAg94
October 6, 2005, 04:33 PM
I believe you can own a replica cap and ball revolver as a felon. Not that it would do you much good, legally speaking, when chasing burglars who are fleeing the scene.

Texfire
October 6, 2005, 05:05 PM
Camp David, I found Angel Sword that looks likely, but I don't really know anythink more than what's on their website. I've got a carbon steel katana that I've had for years (very functional) but I can't remember the guy I got it from. He's from Kansas, maybe Olethe, but sells at the Bonner Springs renfest every year. If I can find the receipt I'll let you know, but it's been 10 years.

If there's a renaissance festival near where you are, check it out. There is usually at least one armourer and you can actually check the feel of the weapons and decide what really works for you.

+1 for checking for Renaissance Festival sword vendors. Some of them are dress-up schlock, and the other end of the spectrum is the expensive vendors like Angel Sword, but you can find some nice steel. It's a lot like firearms in a way, you tend to get what you pay for, but a smart shopper can find good value specimens.

Standing Wolf
October 6, 2005, 05:19 PM
If he could see these guys so good with their ski masks and dark clothing, why didn't he see the guns they shot him with? Doesn't make any sense.

I think the individual may well have shot himself, and made up a highly creative story about it. It just has that certain not quite real feel.

Hawkmoon
October 6, 2005, 09:11 PM
He was waving the thankfully unsharpened sword around and mouthing off to his friends. He said, and I quote:

"Yeah, if anyone ever broke into my house, I would pull out my katana and say, 'You can leave now...or you can leave later...'

'IN PIECES!'

I ran out of the store, LMAO.
Unbelievable - someone actually tried this lunacy!
No, even worse. They left ... and the moron FOLLOWED THEM OUT OF THE HOUSE.

Some people don't know when to quit. Instead of looking like a hero for chasing them away, he comes off looking like the idiot he is for getting himself shot. He's just lucky the bad guys weren't better shots.

50 Freak
October 6, 2005, 09:39 PM
I think the individual may well have shot himself, and made up a highly creative story about it. It just has that certain not quite real feel.

You know, I was thinking the same thing. I pictured in my mind's eye he was cleaning his Lorcin and shot himself in the ass somehow and rather admit he's an idiot, came up with this story of how he "fought" off 50 home invaders with nothing but a butter knife.

ezypikns
October 6, 2005, 10:09 PM
from "Raiders of the Lost Ark" where this giant Arab is threatening Harrison Ford with a huge scimitar (sword), flashing it around and doing tricks with it. Harrison Ford just gives him a tired look, pulls out a .38 revolver (I think), and shoots him dead. Then he hardly watches the guy fall before reholstering and getting on with his business. Great scene.

mustanger98
October 6, 2005, 10:35 PM
"Raiders of the Lost Ark" where this giant Arab is threatening Harrison Ford with a huge scimitar (sword), flashing it around and doing tricks with it. Harrison Ford just gives him a tired look, pulls out a .38 revolver (I think), and shoots him dead. Then he hardly watches the guy fall before reholstering and getting on with his business. Great scene.

Actually, the gun was a S&W Triple Lock (1st Model Hand Ejector) in .44Special.

The reason they did the scene that way was because Harrison Ford was sick as a dog (disentary) during that part of filming on location in, IIRC, Tunisia. He didn't feel anywhere near good enough to go through the routine they had planned. IMO, the movie turned out better, the scene being a lot more memorable the way it was done.

This scene has given rise to the term "Graduate of Indiana Jones School of Swordsmanship".

solive
October 7, 2005, 12:39 AM
Bugei is a makes great swords but you have to wait to get your sword sometimes up to 18 months. They make swords in the old ways here is ther site http://www.bugei.com/

If you cant afford those swords, yo can get one of these they are forged and hardend just not folded the are made for cuting practice they could easily cut someone in half you just can not perry another sword with one http://www.mantisswords.com/practical_katanas.htm

Taurus 66
October 7, 2005, 12:54 AM
Police are looking for three men, described as a black man, a Hispanic man, and a white man.

Not them again!! That's the second time this month. :rolleyes:

Lupinus
October 7, 2005, 01:04 AM
Ok...moron.

I could see a throwing knife...but a katana? I mean it's better then nothing but sheesh. I got into an argument with a "I can kick your gun weilding ass" scotsmen a few day's ago durring a debate on gun law's. These are the same type of people that say the same of the martial art's and then get thier ass handed to them and a trip to the hospital.

But see there was his problem. he had a katana. Now if he was smart he would have had a gladius :D

MachIVshooter
October 7, 2005, 01:14 AM
I believe you can own a replica cap and ball revolver as a felon.

Technically, nothing that is considered a deadly weapon. This includes muzzle loaders, bows, etc. Not that there is anything in place to enforce this prohibition.

mnrivrat
October 7, 2005, 01:19 AM
It just has that certain not quite real feel.

They were wearing ski masks and dark clothing from head to toe, including black gloves and black windbreaker pullovers, deputies said.

Police are looking for three men, described as a black man, a Hispanic man, and a white man.

I'm also thinking this doesn't pass the smell test - maybe more info needed than what was written . Like - how do they know what race men they are looking for when they were covered from head to toe in black garb ?

Interesting read though - I'll be sure to be watching out for the trio , but I don't own a sword . Guess what I will have to make do with ?

Trebor
October 7, 2005, 01:24 AM
Mike Z Williamson is a smith who makes custom blades and swords. He posts here under "Mad Mike." There's a link to his website on his profile. He should be able to make you a REAL sword, as opposed to a wall hanger.

If you have an unlimited budget, Jim Hsilaries (sp?) is a well known blade maker who makes truly amazing functional swords. We're talking several thousands of dollars though. He's the author of "The Complete Bladesmith," Do a search for that book on Amazon and you'll get the correct spelling of his last name. From that you'll find his website. He's probably among the best in the world, seriously.

Trebor
October 7, 2005, 01:30 AM
Actually, the gun was a S&W Triple Lock (1st Model Hand Ejector) in .44Special.


There actually were two S&W pistols used by Indy in, "Raiders of Lost Ark."

The pistol used for filming in Tunisia and England was supplied by the Bapsy prop company from the U.K. (They also supplied the weapons for "Star Wars")
That pistol was a S&W Hand Ejector 2nd Model (HE2) in .455 Eley. It had the barrel cut down to four inches.

The pistol used in the scenes filmed in the U.S. was supplied by Stembridge Gun Rentals. It was used in the scene where Indy tosses his pistol in his luggage and also in the opening scene of the movie that was filmed in Hawaii. (The scene with the Idol and the giant boulder, etc) That pistol was also a HE2 cut down to 4 inches. I'm not 100% sure on the caliber though.

Go to www.indygear.com for more info on the firearms, props, costumes, and general "gear" used in the movies. Those guys are to Indiana Jones prop trivia what we are to guns.

LaEscopeta
October 7, 2005, 08:44 AM
RaggedClaws wrote:LaEscopeta, that scene was in the book Cryptonomicon by Neal StephensonThanks for this source. I assume this book is fiction?
Anyone remember the scene....
from "Raiders of the Lost Ark" where this giant Arab is threatening Harrison Ford with a huge scimitar (sword), flashing it around and doing tricks with it. Harrison Ford just gives him a tired look, pulls out a .38 revolver (I think), and shoots him dead. Then he hardly watches the guy fall before reholstering and getting on with his business. Great scene.I’m pretty sure Benny Hill did this gag first. Don’t know if he stole..err, I mean borrowed it from some one earlier.

Camp David
October 7, 2005, 09:30 AM
THANKS to everyone that shot me a PM on good sword vendors! I was swamped with very good recommendations... now to pair these with my checkbook and see what can be done!

Thanks guys!

middy
October 7, 2005, 11:01 AM
From Cryptonomicon by Neal Stephenson (censored for Art's gramma):
It is that guy from the movies. What’s-his-name. Oh, yeah!

Ronald Reagan has a stack of three-by-five cards in his lap. He skids up a new one: "What advice do you, as the youngest American fighting man ever to win both the Navy Cross and the Silver Star, have for any young Marines on their way to Guadalcanal?"

Shaftoe doesn’t have to think very long. The memories are still as fresh as last night’s eleventh nightmare: ten plucky Nips in Suicide Charge!

"Just kill the one with the sword first."

"Ah," Reagan says, raising his waxed and penciled eyebrows, and cocking his pompadour in Shaftoe’s direction. "Smarrrt —you target them because they’re the officers, right?"

"No, ****head!" Shaftoe yells. "You kill ’em because they’ve got ****ing swords! You ever had anyone running at you waving a ****ing sword?"

The whole book is online here (http://fictionbook.ru/author/stephenson_neal/cryptonomicon/stephenson_cryptonomicon.html)

armoredman
October 7, 2005, 11:35 AM
"Mr None" has a very familiar air about him....

A good short sword is a great backup if you can afford the space and weight to carry one.

A cap and ball revolver is considered a firearm by state laws - AZ would prosecute a felon in possession of a blackpowder firearm. Check your local laws carefully.

mbs357
October 7, 2005, 11:56 AM
Camp David: http://swordstore.com/cgi-bin/htmlos.cgi/02nav/1jpsword.html
Not sure if you were looking for Japanese swords or not, but this site will custom make you a sword designed for actual use.
By the way, Japanese swords aren't really made for smacking against other hard objects. ;D

Byron Quick
October 7, 2005, 11:57 AM
Go running out after burglars waving a sword and get shot...who woulda thunk it? Tell you what though, if he had gone running out after them waving a pistol, guess what would have happened?

The problem isn't his choice of weapons. The problem is that he was not seeking the tactical advantage.


Tell you what, guys. I'll take a Japanese white oak bokken (wooden practice sword that is a deadly weapon in its own right), safety glasses and helmet. You take the Airsoft weapon of your choice, safety glasses, mouthpiece, and helmet. Follow me into the woods at night.

I'm not saying that I'll meet someone at twenty paces at high noon and take them with a sword when they have a gun.

But let me choose the terrain and the time and the dynamics of the matter will shift dramatically.

Had eight guys follow me into the woods at night once. They were counting on their numbers. After all, what can one guy with an old sawn off shovel handle do against eight guys? You couldn't pay one of them to follow me into the woods at night again.

Different weapons shift the dynamics of a fight into different shapes. But tactical advantage rules. If you've got a rocket launcher firing thermonuclear missiles and I've got a brickbat in my hand standing directly behind you...who's got the advantage over whom? And what, exactly, does the fact that you have a supposedly 'superior weapon' matter as your brains splatter out of your head. Then I pick up your super dooper weapon and go looking for the the tactical advantage on the rest of you. While keeping my brick.

Ain't no such thing as a dangerous weapon. There are only dangerous human beings. And a dangerous human being is dangerous as long as he has one working arm and hand. You get in range of that arm at your peril.

mbs357
October 7, 2005, 12:18 PM
Stuff
+1

Tokugawa
October 7, 2005, 12:55 PM
Camp David, look on "Sword forum" for info. For an unbelievablely wide and deep look at swords , go to Richard Stiens "japanese sword index"- not just japanese, but links to about 8 jillion info sites, connercial sites, museums, etc. both eastern and western. There are folks out there making real working swords that cut. And it would be a shame to ruin that 14 century Hizen katana on a burglar.......

Dr.Rob
October 7, 2005, 01:15 PM
also this week a Boulder CO couple was cleared of any wrongdoing in a home invasion/break in. The couple engaged the would be robber with a base ball bat and then stabbed him to death with a kitchen knife... the suspect has yet to bve indentified.

I'd agree chasing the bad guys OUT of the house... not a good idea.

Bart Noir
October 7, 2005, 03:24 PM
The Cold Steel knife company also makes swords, and they are first rate! Well, not that I know that personally, but their ads say that is so.

Here is a site that sells some of those swords, but not all at this time. The prices are a tenth what some of those custom makers want. I think they may be made in China but don't know that.

http://www.1sks.com/store/cold-steel-swords.html

Bart Noir

mustanger98
October 7, 2005, 04:46 PM
If I were choosing a sword, it'd be either an M1860 US Cavalry saber, or its Confederate counterpart.

From Byron Quick's remarks:

The problem isn't his choice of weapons. The problem is that he was not seeking the tactical advantage.

He probably didn't have a clue about tactics. It's kinda like Col. Cooper said, "owning a gun makes you armed like owning a guitar makes you a musician". Except in this case, owning a sword don't make you a ninja or samurai.

I'm not saying that I'll meet someone at twenty paces at high noon and take them with a sword when they have a gun.

Which goes back to the point of this thread- don't bring a sword to a gunfight, but, in light of...

But let me choose the terrain and the time and the dynamics of the matter will shift dramatically.

...I recall what Louis L'Amour wrote in "Ride the Dark Trail". He wrote Logan Sackett as saying "don't sidestep a fight, but be the one to choose the time and place" (or words to that effect, it's been a while since I read it). When you do that, if you choose wisely, you have all the advantage.

Had eight guys follow me into the woods at night once. They were counting on their numbers. After all, what can one guy with an old sawn off shovel handle do against eight guys? You couldn't pay one of them to follow me into the woods at night again.

This, I think, is a good illustration of what Col. Troutman was telling the sheriff in "Rambo: First Blood". "You can send a company of Rangers in there and he'll kill every one of them."

Ain't no such thing as a dangerous weapon. There are only dangerous human beings. And a dangerous human being is dangerous as long as he has one working arm and hand. You get in range of that arm at your peril.

This reminds me of some salt water fishing shows I've seen where they pulled up sharks. If you don't shoot the shark before you bring it on board, it's liable to take your leg off. People and animals accustomed to fighting to survive...

Red Dragon
October 8, 2005, 03:03 AM
There are several factors that we don't know about. If this guy did actually get shot by someone else, it is entirely possible that when he was running after these guys that he didn't know that one of them was armed, the sword may have been a weapon of convienience. many other people keep baseball bats in reach for intruders. Also those who haven't had training in potential combat situations don't always think tactically. He was probably running after them because the adrenaline was flowing so fast through his system that "fight or flight" kicked in and he felt the need to fight.

As far as those of you who are knocking swords as weapons, I personally have been collecting swords since I was 14 years old and now have 24 swords in my collection, some of which are fully functional and I would use as a weapon of self defense if the situation needed it. Although I do own 7 firearms I live in a condo complex so I keep most of them in a gunsafe at my father's place. If I was in a situation where my options were a sword or nothing, I take the sword.

Of course, use of swords as weapons requires the same effort as using firearms as weapons. If you are gonna use it, get some training and learn how to use it safely and correctly.

to sum up, as the saying goes, "hindsight is 20/20" If the guy knew that the baddies were armed with firearms, he most likely would have thought twice before chasing them out on to the lawn.

ok. rant over :D

Byron Quick
October 9, 2005, 10:09 AM
The guy probably did just let his outrage and adrenaline run his butt into trouble.

I realized one night that I had come home and cornered a burglar. In the days before I carried. He and I each had a big problem. Mine was that he was between me and the firearms. His was that I was between him and the exits. I didn't like my tactical situation. So I initiated a tactical advance to the rear that resembled teleportation. I snatched my intruder baseball bat as I flew out the door. Then I was in the darkness by the shrubbery at the corner of the house where I could see the front door and the side door. I liked that tactical situation much better. As my eyes adjusted to the darkness, I would be able to see him better than he could see me immediately after exiting a door. So I waited in anticipation of braining the burglar. Alas, he was a pretty good tactician himself. He decided that it would likely be unhealthy to exit via the doors. The house had jalousey windows that he couldn't use for exit. So he picked up a recliner and threw it through a window in the back of the house. Thus creating an exit that was fast and as far away as possible from where I was likely to be waiting. I refrained from following him through backyard. Too big a chance that he would turn the tables and be waiting to ambush me.

I was just 21 when this happened. No tactical training. I had had Army Basic but I was a truck driver. The kids in my neighborhood had some pretty rough running rock and BB gun fights though. For years. I was well acquainted with the concept of ambush. And staying off of trails. Our boobytraps were non-lethal but could cause injury. Pitfall traps mainly.

Roadkill Coyote
October 9, 2005, 04:43 PM
There is something worse than bringing a sword to a gunfight, and that would be bringing a fake gun, as it might turn out to be a baseball game! (http://www.denverpost.com/search/ci_3087524)

No two violent confrontations are completely alike, and I would say that the true measure of success is the outcome, no matter what was used.

JohnKSa
October 9, 2005, 10:21 PM
muscular, about 6 feet tall, and 150 to 160 pounds.? :confused: ? muscular=thin as a rail?

demusn1979
October 9, 2005, 10:40 PM
Mr.None, I’m hoping English is not your first language.

i didnt say it!

HEE HEE!

The_Antibubba
October 10, 2005, 12:16 AM
Camp David,

http://www.museumreplicas.com

Mongo the Mutterer
October 10, 2005, 07:18 AM
The Boulder Story:

"Oh, my goodness gracious," said Norman Haun, a neighbor. "I never thought that anybody would take it upon themselves to come up here."

Hursh said people live outside the city to feel safe. A year ago, several homes were burglarized in the area after residents left their doors unlocked.

Since then, people have learned to lock their doors, he said. Yep, if you think you are safe you are a fool. I live in an area where you can leave your garage open for three days (duh?) :what: and nothing will be gone, or touched. (lucky that time, never again). :o

However, anyone who attempts to force an entry will be perforated by two people, not one. Prepared, not paranoid.

natedog
October 10, 2005, 10:36 AM
Perhaps not the smartest of moves, but you've gotta have serious juevos to chase down three burglars with a sword.

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