Several years ago a person asked me what I would do if the Gov. ever confiscated my modern handguns and rifles.
I told him that we might someday be reduced to fighting off the evil hordes with Cap and Ball revolvers and Musket rifles like in the Civil War, even some old Hawkens would probably come into the fight.
A brace of Ruger Old Army models in a Kirkpatrick Gravedigger rig would work for me:)
What would be your pick of the litter for a Handgun?
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October 6, 2005, 11:32 PM
The new 5 1/2" barrelled Ruger Old Army has possibilities. I keep hoping that they will make an adjustable sighted version.
October 6, 2005, 11:54 PM
"Only a Texan could shoot one" was Samuel Colt's description of the Walker..... he was right :evil:
October 7, 2005, 07:44 AM
I was shooting the Italian bp clones nearly three decades ago. I sure wanted a SS version... especially that pricey Ruger. I did eventually get an Italian SS .44, but had lost interest then - and sold it unfired. My second, and current - and last, bride bought me a Ruger SS OA nearly ten years ago. I still shoot GOEX, etc, fff bp, but clean-up is much easier. Remove the grips and drop it in some hot sudsy water (Ah, Lemon Fresh Joy!), rinse, and clean & oil 'normally'.
I did bring it for those days when you find an obnoxious range-mate - and the wind is low or non-existent. Ah, the boom, the pall, and the smell - clears adjacent lanes easily.
On the left, my Colt Signature series 1851 Navy in .36, in the middle, Dad's EAA Rogers and Spencer .44, on the right a Cabelas 1860 "Outlaw" by Pietta in 44.
The 36 is a sweet shooter but it's nearly impossible to get conical bullets to fit the tight space you have for loading. The 1860 .44 has better balance.
October 7, 2005, 01:24 PM
I had a CVA Colt Navy 1851 Sheriff in .36, a great wheelgun. I also had a Italian 1858 that printed like a shotgun, and a nameless .31 Baby Dragoon copy that looked like potmetal, and shot like a target pistol.
I'd love a 1851 Sheriff 36 again, and a 1860 Army in 44, with a Ruger Old Army .44 SS for a serious BP handgun. :cool:
October 7, 2005, 01:26 PM
I have a Colt 1849 Pocket Pistol in .31 caliber that was carried in the War Between the States by my Great-Great Grandfather who bought it in Camilla, Georgia at the age of 14, walked to Forsythe, Georgia to enlist, and then walked to Atlanta to fight the invaders.
I must admit, though, that we have shot it but once in the last 30 years or so.
October 7, 2005, 02:47 PM
Super! Great - probably the best use of AOL yet. Nice revolvers, of course. Odd how I always weighed my loads carefully with the old Confederate Navy .36 caliber clone... it still printed somewhat wildly. The Ruger OA worked well with my carefully measured loads... but I had mis-set the tube length and was only dropping ~14gr fff - gave me 520-540 fps. Being a Ruger, it is really much easier to load... just nearly fill it - you cannot overload it, as long as the bullet compresses it and still clears the cylinder face. It groups much better now... and, more boom and smoke! I used the loaded felt 'Wonder Wads', but no one locally carries them - or real bp - and I am nearly out of both. I guess it's time to order some from Cabelas or Graf's - if they have them.
Do you sign your own copies of your book?
John (aka 'Stainz')
October 7, 2005, 06:17 PM
I bought a number of those and put them out autographed but have run out of that batch. Problem is, the books are discounted so much by the publisher, I can't compete with Amazon.com or several other wholesalers.
I've used wonderwads a little and from my viewpoint the only real advantage is that you don't feel obligated to put messy grease over the balls. The velocities worked out the same as without. I don't note any change in accuracy. I'm in the habit of wiping out the barrel after every cylinder full and this keeps me from noticing much about fouling accumulation. I do note that black powder tends to foul more than pyrodex and with Pioneer and H777, it doesn't build up enough to worry about it.
October 7, 2005, 08:23 PM
I bought the 1858 Remington Belt Model Double Action revolver at a gun show about ten years ago. I bought it to make a display with the relic gun pictured below it which I found with a metal detector several years ago. The value of the relic is not the gun itself but the location where it was found. Both revolvers are of the same model; the only difference is that the top revolver has a fluted cylinder, while the one below does not. I applied for and received a letter from Remington on the top revolver showing it was made in 1864. Some firearms writers refer to this model as the Remington Ryder Belt Model. I'm not sure if that is correct.
October 7, 2005, 08:29 PM
Jondar , where was the bottom one found? do tell. :)
October 7, 2005, 08:31 PM
The 5 1/2" old army looks real good. I'll take one with fixed sights myself.
October 7, 2005, 08:53 PM
Just a Pietta Rem pattern - not shot much because of brass frame but - still quite purdy! :)
PEZO, I'd rather not pin down the location. I thihk I will let sleeping dogs lie for now. I can tell you this, it was a battle in the Indian Wars. No, not that one. But a famous battle. You would recognize the names of the leaders on both sides. I think you'll understand.
October 7, 2005, 09:06 PM
No question but that the 61 Navy Colt is the most elegant.
Back then it was Jenny Lind, the Swedish Nightingale.
Now it's Rosie O'Donnell and the Glock...
October 7, 2005, 10:43 PM
Here's a painting of my 1851 Navy wall hanger.
Well, let me try this again!
Why do I have to wait for everybody else's pictures to be downloaded to my computer a second time before I can post one?
October 8, 2005, 08:40 AM
don't know howcome that is but it's a nice painting anyway