Question regarding how to obtain FA Id card


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BadAsh87
October 7, 2005, 12:12 AM
I originally posted here asking what it would take to purchase a rifle in the state of NJ. I was told by some of you that I needed to just fill out an application for a firearms id card, and I'd get the permit within a few months. My moms bf however is also interested in purchasing a rifle. He went down to the police station to ask what he needed to do. They told him he has to call and make an appointment, and that he has to meet with an officer to fill out all this paperwork, and to have fingerprints taken, and all this other crap. Says the backround check can take from 6 weeks to 6 months. Is this normal procedure? I always thought all you needed to do was fill out an application, and they do the backround check that way. All this extra hassle is beginning to annoy the hell out of me(I hate new jersey!). Was wondering what you guys thought. Thanks

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firefighter4884
October 7, 2005, 05:55 AM
Badash...

yes, you have to go down to your local police station, or if your local PD is covered by NJSP, then you have to go to the closest barracks (aside from ones on either the Turnpike or the Parkway).

Yes, the officer will meet with you, and will probably help you fill out the form. IIRC, he'll also take a copy of your driver's liscense. Finally, they'll take your finger prints. Took me about 45 minutes / 1 hour in the SP barracks when I applied for my stuff...

It took me about 3 months after submitting my paperwork to get my FID and permits to purchase a pistol back.

Not too terrible, but certainly not something that I would prefer to go through.

--Jim

jacobtowne
October 7, 2005, 09:36 AM
Says the backround check can take from 6 weeks to 6 months.

That's puzzling. When you buy a gun from a dealer here in Mass., he makes a telephone call to the FBI for a background check. Takes five minutes.
Different type of check?
JT

Keaner
October 7, 2005, 12:19 PM
Supposedly, it is not supposed to take more than 30 days.
The Site i read this at is not working, but check out the google cache:

http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:SuLCQy-X3ZkJ:www.njguns.com/permit.htm+new+jersey+FID+card+site:njguns.com&hl=en&client=firefox-a

What I got was a "Fill this out, gimmie the money, and go downstairs for your fingerprinting, we will call you in a few months". All in all, took no more than a half hour, including the time required to get a money order from the local post office.

The Actual Law:
Here (http://lis.njleg.state.nj.us/cgi-bin/om_isapi.dll?clientID=13650008&Depth=2&depth=2&expandheadings=on&headingswithhits=on&hitsperheading=on&infobase=statutes.nfo&record={1923}&softpage=Document42)

f.Granting of permit or identification card; fee; term; renewal; revocation. The application for the permit to purchase a handgun together with a fee of $2.00, or the application for the firearms purchaser identification card together with a fee of $5.00, shall be delivered or forwarded to the licensing authority who shall investigate the same and, unless good cause for the denial thereof appears, shall grant the permit or the identification card, or both, if application has been made therefor, within 30 days from the date of receipt of the application for residents of this State and within 45 days for nonresident applicants. A permit to purchase a handgun shall be valid for a period of 90 days from the date of issuance and may be renewed by the issuing authority for good cause for an additional 90 days. A firearms purchaser identification card shall be valid until such time as the holder becomes subject to any of the disabilities set forth in subsection c. of this section, whereupon the card shall be void and shall be returned within five days by the holder to the superintendent, who shall then advise the licensing authority. Failure of the holder to return the firearms purchaser identification card to the superintendent within the said five days shall be an offense under section 2C:39-10a. Any firearms purchaser identification card may be revoked by the Superior Court of the county wherein the card was issued, after hearing upon notice, upon a finding that the holder thereof no longer qualifies for the issuance of such permit. The county prosecutor of any county, the chief police officer of any municipality or any citizen may apply to such court at any time for the revocation of such card.

scout26
October 7, 2005, 02:33 PM
Nope, no Infringement here people, nothing to see, just move along......

And I thought Illinois sucked. At least we don't have to have the local Police help us fill out the FOID card application nor get fingerprinted and a proctate exam. (Do you also have to give a stool/urine/DNA sample ??)

:cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

Keaner
October 7, 2005, 02:35 PM
Yeah, don't rub it in. I am actually looking forward to moving into MA (how bad is that!) because it is wicked easy to get a carry permit.

BadAsh87
October 7, 2005, 04:00 PM
thats extremely odd. You'd think being as liberal as massachusetts their gun laws would be insanely strict, whats with that?

Standing Wolf
October 7, 2005, 10:23 PM
I had to go through less @#$%^&! to get a concealed carry permit in Colorado! It took three weeks start to finish.

BadAsh87
October 8, 2005, 01:21 PM
I hear I also gotta pay the police like 60 bucks for them to do everything. Why do I have to pay for a constitutional right? Something is wrong here.

geekWithA.45
October 8, 2005, 03:21 PM
Yes, BadAsh, something is VERY WRONG in the state of NJ

As for the statute that limits the time it supposedly takes to get a FID, the state supreme court has ruled that it "is in the interest of society" that the police get as much time as they want to perform a thorough background check, which effectively leaves NJ subjects no recourse for police failure to take action on FID applications.

The law specifies a process for rejection, but not failure to take action, and so sitting on FID apps is common practice.

The NJ State Supreme Court plays it entirely fast and loose with the statutes. The same court decided that the Dems could yank a losing candidate for US Senate and swap in the evil mummy Lousenberg right before the election, in direct defiance of the time limits in the statutes, "in the interest of preserving the two party system".

As they say, rope, tree, some assembly required. ;)

Keaner
October 8, 2005, 10:27 PM
Ah, well, that sucks, I knew NJ sucks.

As for MA, it is very hard to get a permit to OWN a firearm (1 8 hr class that costs 100$, plus a 100$ fee, renewed every 6 years).

Then, if you get the best permit, it also doubles as a CCW (assuming all goes well). Some Chief of police will hand em out like candy (see North Attleboro,etc), others will not give you anything. Just something to think about.

BadAsh87
October 9, 2005, 07:24 PM
so basically it takes so long because the police would rather you not own a gun, so they get lazy and just process the paperwork when they feel like it?

mhdishere
October 10, 2005, 09:55 AM
When I got mine I didn't meet with anyone, I picked up the form, brought it home, filled it out, went back with my money and id, got fingerprinted, and waited. I don't recall how long it took, it was a while because some paperwork got lost then I moved during the process and basically had to start over.

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