Film Crew Under Fire From Mexican Army


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wingman
October 7, 2005, 08:42 AM
FILM CREW UNDER FIRE FROM MEXICAN ARMY

by Rick Murray

October 5, 2005—Yesterday afternoon, a crew filming a documentary about 2 miles west of the Coronado National Memorial was fired upon by what was described as members of the Mexican Army.

The crew, from CDW Films in Corona Del Mar, California, was in the area filming footage for a documentary on the Minutemen who are monitoring the U.S./Mexico border as they did in April of this year.

The crew had gone out to explore areas along the border with two guides unrelated to the Minuteman activities. The driver of a 4 X 4 pickup truck requested his name not be associated with any reports because of fears of retaliation from the gunmen. However, he offered a full recount of the situation.

The driver said he and his brother had been contacted to escort the two-man film crew, as they were familiar with the area. They were driving along primitive roads and washes hoping to spot signs of illegal alien activity, and to film a cattle guard through the border fence where illegals have been known to cross into the United States. They had spotted many signs, including footprints leading north along a well-worn path.

The driver had spotted a cloud of dust from a fast moving vehicle on the near horizon to the east, and then sighted what appeared to be a military Humvee with a mounted weapon, possibly a 50 caliber gun. About 20 seconds later, the group saw someone running towards them dressed in desert camouflage clothing, holding a rifle across his chest. Two others then appeared dressed the same way, and also brandishing weapons. The trio entered a V-formation as they dropped to one knee and sighted in their weapons. As the sun was in the soldier’s eyes, they seemed to have problems doing so, causing enough of a delay for the group to flee.

The film crew and brother of the driver jumped into the bed of the pickup truck while the driver dove into the cab and started the engine. As the truck backed out of the area, shots rang out from the soldiers. The driver’s brother screamed out, “They’re shooting at us! They’re trying to kill us!”

The truck backed over a hill, spun around and fled at speeds up to 55 miles per hour on the primitive, rutted roads. They noticed the Humvee was in pursuit. After about a mile or so, the truck stopped to allow the three in the exposed bed of the truck to jump into the cab, but they could hear the distinct, “Pop, pop, pop,” of rifle fire from behind. The driver and his brother opened cover fire for self defense with rifles of their own. The group said the soldiers, identified as Mexican Army, were still coming, and they could see the muzzle flash of the weapons being fired at them.

The group fled along a forest road until they came to an undisclosed area the driver knew of where they could hide safely until after dark, when they set out again looking for assistance from law enforcement.

About halfway down the mountain road, they came upon a National Park Ranger who signaled them to stop. By this time they had cleared their weapons and they presented them to the Park Ranger. The ranger took them to the local headquarters and called the Border Patrol. In a few minutes, six Border Patrol vehicles had pulled up. The Border Patrol took the weapons and had the group follow them to their own headquarters to make statements and to have the weapons checked.

After clearing the group, the Border patrol had thanked the group four different times for their cooperation and released them with their weapons.

Jose Garza from the Border patrol Public Information Office confirmed that such an incident did, in fact, take place, but the situation was still under investigation and would offer no further statement.

A woman identifying herself as Nancy at the Coronado National Memorial said they were only taking names and would return calls tomorrow with an official statement.

Carmen Mercer, Vice President of Minuteman Civil Defense Corps (MCDC), stated that this incident was, in no way, connected with the current operations of MCDC. The brothers were escorting the film crew as guides, not as volunteers for MCDC. The film crew could not be reached for comment.


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grimlock
October 7, 2005, 08:54 AM
I wish I could say that this report surprises me.

Lennyjoe
October 7, 2005, 10:11 AM
Needless to say, when we are out hunting down by the border we have more than 1 weapon and plenty of extra ammo to go with them.

longeyes
October 7, 2005, 10:12 AM
Anyone want to predict when the next Mexican War begins? (I mean formally.)

fourays2
October 7, 2005, 10:15 AM
nothing to see here people, move along. these are just otherwise law-abiding federal mexican troops running interference for drug/human smugglers who are willing to smuggle the drugs/humans that Americans are not willing to smuggle.

armoredman
October 7, 2005, 10:19 AM
BP will tell you this stuff happens all the time, unfortunately. Plus, we have that renegade group, the Zetas, I believe, American trained Mexican commandos, who deserted to work for the drug lords...

dasmi
October 7, 2005, 10:36 AM
If they were trying to kill them, why not use the .50 on top of the Humvee?

DontBurnMyFlag
October 7, 2005, 11:10 AM
maybe they couldnt afford the .50 cal ammo :D


seriously, I bet if those guys shot and killed the mexicans, there would be some big internation backlash about how those "racist gun loving Americans opened fire on a mexican military patrol on mexican territory." I could see it now. Its only gonna get worse

seeker_two
October 7, 2005, 11:20 AM
seriously, I bet if those guys shot and killed the mexicans, there would be some big internation backlash about how those "racist gun loving Americans opened fire on a mexican military patrol on mexican territory."

It'll happen...and it'll take something like that to get the Bushies in DC to sit up and take notice....

...unfortunately, that notice will probably consist of arresting the Americans who defended themselves and extraditing them to "Mexican Justice"... :rolleyes:

...and then it'll REALLY get interesting on the border. :fire:

Lupinus
October 7, 2005, 12:03 PM
Sure, let's open fire on them, they are only American's and there will be no response.

Maybe we will get lucky. Bush is decent, but he is to buddy buddy with Fox down in Mexico. That boarder need's to be militerized and fast. Maybe we will get lucky and the next president will have a backbone for domestic action rather then just for the foreign varity.

Harve Curry
October 7, 2005, 12:27 PM
I keep hearing more about the Mexican military on the United States side of the border, some a few miles, and shooting their weapons.
That's a detail that should be videotaped. It won't get any mainstream press till it is.

Gunpacker
October 7, 2005, 12:35 PM
Wow, what a great place to try out a few precision guided munitions on American soil.
This is the reason that I hate Bush the most. Maybe the SCOTUS appointment will eclipse it in the future tho.
Now we get Rudy Giuliani proposed as pres. candidate against hitlery. Wow, can the anti gunners have anything better for their dream election?

LAR-15
October 7, 2005, 01:06 PM
Bush won't do anything about illegal immigration because he is trying to win the Mexican American vote from the Democrats.

Anyway yes Mexican army humvees regularly cross into the US.

HighVelocity
October 7, 2005, 01:44 PM
There are no mexican troops on the border and there has been no shooting. It is all lies.
http://dunamai.com/Humor/BagdadBob/images/bagdad_bob_large.gif

dasmi
October 7, 2005, 01:47 PM
Does Mexican military troops and vehicles crossing our border, without permission, if it's true, constitute an act of war?

Lupinus
October 7, 2005, 01:56 PM
to normal people it would

longeyes
October 7, 2005, 02:06 PM
Don't worry, the Mexican army is just making sure goods and services keep flowing from one neighbor to another. :mad:

Lupinus
October 7, 2005, 02:09 PM
I just hope our next president has the will to actually do something about hte boarder and put's troop's on it. We have the best military in the world it's time we actually put it to some good use and stop the invasion we are currently under.

Fighting war's in other country's is nessisary. But at the same tiem oyu have to fight nay war at home. And in that department Bush has failed miserably. Maybe we will get lucky and state goverment's will start to take thing's into thier own hand's since the fed's won't do it, and put their national guard unit's on the boarder.

ScottsGT
October 7, 2005, 02:17 PM
I'll use the same line here that I use on UFO reportings:

10 Million Camcorders sold every year. Where's the footage.

OH! WAIT! It gets better! THEY HAD A STINKING FILM CREW WITH THEM!!
I'm calling BS on this report, because a real camera operator, no matter what the situation, if he's experienced, would have died to get that on tape. Just look how many risked their lives in NYC when the towers were falling on their heads, look how many jump in the line of fire in the middle east. All he had to do was "pull the trigger" and start rolling tape.
Sorry, but it would have been all over Fox, because the Clinton News Network wouldn't run it.

Alex45ACP
October 7, 2005, 03:00 PM
Anyone want to predict when the next Mexican War begins? (I mean formally.)

:confused:

The invasion has been going on for some time now.

They're going to take over the USA without firing a shot.

Biker
October 7, 2005, 03:05 PM
It's already done, Alex. They're here, breeding like rats and living well on our tax dollars and we have people like Jammersix to thank for it. Along with the politicians, of course.
Biker

1 old 0311
October 7, 2005, 03:49 PM
Why would they invade?????? With Welfare and free medical care they ain't about to rock the boat :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:


Kevin

Moonclip
October 7, 2005, 04:17 PM
Lar-15, please do not lump in all Mexican Americans as Democrats and as illegal immigration apologists. There are actually more Mexican American Republicans than blacks, whom I believe vote over 90% Democrat.

Mexicans will vote more often republican for various reasons, especially when they are business owners or because most of them are Catholic and do not support abortion/stem cell recesearch as much as Democrats seem to.

A illegal Mexican has about as much in common sometimes with a Mexican whos family has lived in the USA for generations as a Chinese American has in common with guy who just stepped off the boat from mainland PRC. They might look a little alike(even thats debateable,I can spot an illegal almost immediately, even if he is naked or looks sort of Anglo) and even speak the same language, but the differences can be vast. As an example, my Mexican American grandmother has a lot more to do sometimes with American culture, heck, she listens to Hank Williams!

I am mostly of Mexican descent and some of my family reaches back in the USA in to the 1880's. We have had family members in most of Americas wars too of the 20th century.

I probably dislike illegals more than most people as I have to live next door to them and they have pretty much wrecked the quality of life here. I don't really hate them as I understand why they come, but it does not make it right. My true hatred comes for the people who hire them and cause them to come in the first place. The illegal comes to feed his family, the guy who hires him generally does so out of pure greed.

SB88LX
October 7, 2005, 04:44 PM
I'll second the call for the video tape, or was it confiscated as evidence and then "lost".... j/k kind of. /tinfoil

Shalako
October 7, 2005, 04:51 PM
Would napalm be an effective deterrent to a foreign military's Humvees on our soil?

El Tejon
October 7, 2005, 05:20 PM
Them thar Mexicans is a-comin', the Mexeecans are a-comin'! Shak, can you get an air strike on imgainary targets? :D

Good thing they "chased" and "shot at" a film crew. That's why there is so much footage released with the story.

Wow, just like all the other allegations we have rock solid video evidence! Just look at all this footage from a film crew no less where we see . . . . *crickets chirping*

I call not bearthread, but hysterical bearthread on this.

Shalako
October 7, 2005, 05:25 PM
El T, you always have a way of taking the fun out of my hysteria! :D

El Tejon
October 7, 2005, 05:34 PM
Shak, all in good fun! :D Look out, an illegal alien zombie behind you! :eek:

"Blind Hysteria, this is WrappedinFlag, I have a definite rumor of a target."

"This is Blind Hysteria 6 Actual, set threat level to Nativists Forever, hike up decibels and fire for effect." :D

I am certain that this was actually Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney along with a zombie bear from the UN and Bigfoot out in a hunting trip in a Haliburton vehicle. They saw the film crew and thought they they were there to shoot footage of Cheney's role in destroying the levee in New Orleans. Cheney became enraged and attacked even though they were not women, minorities or Democrats in sandals.

No_Brakes23
October 7, 2005, 06:39 PM
lol at El T :D

odysseus
October 7, 2005, 08:25 PM
what was described as members of the Mexican Army

There's one thing here. I know it was a humvee with "maybe" a .50 cal (doesn't seem they got that close for visual ID), it doesn't seem that there was any solid identification that they were official army. BG's can own humvees.

Of course they could truly have been - and on special "business" guarding a drug trade route, that is though for the cartel. Anyway the story smells a little fishy...

It's all FUBAR.

Hank Zudd
October 7, 2005, 09:40 PM
don't they know .50's are illegal in Kali? and film crews are your friends? Years ago before I retired, the Kali guard had a whole battalion of guys on the border "helping" several agencies. We once dropped some into an LZ off the ortega hwy that was sh*t in the middle of nowhere; one of the pilots later told me it was a very old historic route for smugglers. Later we flew the govenor over an area on the US side that was a staging point before the nights' game of cat & mouse started. It was just after dark & the place looked like a tailgate party -guys selling tacos (could see that close), playing soccer & just kickin back till they came north. Seems like nothing changes. This was at least 10 years ago.

nvrquit
October 8, 2005, 12:54 PM
...Jammesix?

Can't find such using the Search function.

Sindawe
October 8, 2005, 01:55 PM
Its Jammer Six, one of our fellows here. See this thread (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=158361) for examples of Jammer's position on illegal immigration.

LHB1
October 8, 2005, 04:44 PM
VERY SUSPICIOUS!!! A "film crew" shot at by Mexican military and DID NOT TAKE ANY PICTURES?FILM??? VERY SUSPICIOUS!!! :scrutiny:

Good shooting and be safe.
LB

Art Eatman
October 9, 2005, 12:16 AM
'Scuse me, El Tejon, but are you implying that had you been there and been shot at, you'd have bravely taken out your camera and started shooting pictures of the guys shooting bullets? Doing this while also doing a balancing act in the back of a speeding pickup on rutted dirt roads?

All: Given our scornful comments, here, about various newsies, why would we expect camera-armed people to be all that brave?

The article mentioned speeds up to 55 mph on rutted dirt roads. Ever tried that? Hey, you'd need a wide-angled lens just to get the sky! Just staying on board the pickup would be a pretty good trick. I drive pretty fast on dirt roads, around here, sometimes. I really doubt I could reliably shoot a rifle and hit the ground while so driving to escape Bad Guys. And with the driver's brother shooting from the back of the pickup? Not much better...

I recall a number of threads here about similar events, except those being harassed or shot at were BP or NPS folks. I don't recall a lot of doubt as to the events' happening.

Art

ScottsGT
October 10, 2005, 08:57 AM
Hey Art,
I'm in the Television/Broadcast profession. I work with camera crews and I know how they think. These guys are always looking for their 15 min. of fame behind a camera. Don't think for a second that they wouldn't have mashed that red record button even if it was just to record the audio of the event. These guys eat, sleep constantly think what they can get on tape. Basically, they think of using the camera as much as we think of self defense when in an unfamiliar area. Even if they were on a "scouting mission" to see what and where to tape, they still would have some of their basic gear, usually a $30K+ digi beta camera just to check lighting shots/framing.
Remember the shootout in front of the LA courthouse where the attorney was dancing around the tree as he was being shot at? I know I would have been diving for cover from flying lead, but the news pukes kept taping. It's their mindset. If they don't think this way constantly, they're stuck with a life of video taping weddings and barmitzvahs.

El Tejon
October 10, 2005, 10:39 AM
Art, yes, that's exactly what I expect (if it was real and not just bear thread like it is). They have access to recording the alleged "event" and do not take advantage? Pure nonsense.

We have all seen incredible footage from Afghanistan and Iraq where cameras are going and trucks and Humvees (even SF tinkertoy vehicles) are going over 55 over rutted roads. Bullets flying everywhere, vehicles bouncing up and down and side to side, but plenty of footage there, yet here there is none?

What does this lead the jury to believe--that this "incident" is a complete and utter fabrication existing only in the mind of those who believe in Black UN helicopters, Bigfoot and the Mexican Army invading the U.S.

It is a story sold to those that are predisposed to believe something like this. The anger those have toward immigration is transformed into a form of personal vulnerability and guilt (usually these people live in Border States that were taken from Mexico) so that they more readily believe that the USA is being invaded by the Mexican Army.

Of course, if there is video, then let's see it. If this did happen, it is an outrage that must bring severe international consequences.

Nehemiah Scudder
October 10, 2005, 12:50 PM
I concur. Except for the part about Bigfoot not being real.

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