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mnrivrat
October 7, 2005, 02:09 PM
Listening to a report on TV last night where they were interviewing a mayor from a town hard hit by Katrina.

Apparently the town has just recieved some housing help from Fema in the form of trailers.

The mayor stated that guns would not be allowed , and part of the contract that a person would have to sign ,if they wanted a trailer for housing, included a no guns clause .

In other words - if you own guns , you either have to give them up, or you will not receive help !

I obviously find that repulsive , and possibly illegal ??

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LAR-15
October 7, 2005, 02:13 PM
Well if there is no place to safely store your guns in the trailer, then maybe they have a point

Lupinus
October 7, 2005, 02:18 PM
Saftly store? Go to wal mart spend a few bucks and buy trigger lock's for the gun's and a lock box for the ammo.

A goverment agency has no right telling you you can not have a firearm unless it is in a goverment office. What's next? HUD telling you you wont recieve their help if you own gun's and won't give them up? It is one step from they trying to take away the gun's of anyone they want.

And from those FEMA trailor park cities I wouldn't be caught within five mile's of one without a gun let alone living in one. I've seen report's and talked to a few people who had to spend month's in a few trailor park's, drug's, crime, wanna be gangsta thug's.

I would almost prefer a tent somewhere then a FEMA trailor park. Esspecialy if they told me I can't have a firearm.

armoredman
October 7, 2005, 02:20 PM
I have friends who own tents, and one they said they'll loan me. Next month I hope to buy one big enough for all of us, so nothing like this would occur. We'll see, but FEMAhroid can keep the trailers. I don't need thier help.

CAS700850
October 7, 2005, 02:25 PM
Got a buddy who worked as an LEO in Florida. Said the trailer city put up in Florida after one of the hurricanes was like something out of the Vice City video games. One of the worst collections of dopers, thievs, thugs, and prostitutes he'd ever seen. Anyone non-criminal quickly found other accomodations.

Not the kind of place you want to be unarmed, but then again, not the kind of place you want to be, period.

mnrivrat
October 7, 2005, 02:25 PM
Just to clarify - I'm not sure wether the "no guns allowed" policy came from Fema , or from the local government level ( Mayor - City ) .

Lupinus
October 7, 2005, 02:26 PM
There is a reason I don't live in a middle of a city, I don't want that crap near me. Right now I live north of Tampa and while it isn't city still way to dense for my taste's. When I move to SC in a few month's im going out in the wood's.

FEMA trailor park's are not safe place's to be. At least people that live in the city know how to deal with the lower life form's of life you run into there on a daily basis. You throw someone who was effected and lived in a small town all thier life will have a mighty hard time of it.

Sorry. Your place's are dangerous. And I damn sure don't need your trailor enough to give up my god and constitution given right's. They are stupid if think it will keep illegal gun's out. Im sure one of the condition's is no drug's as well. And that will really prove effective on the drege's of socity :rolleyes:

Gewehr98
October 7, 2005, 02:30 PM
"What guns?" ;)

Zundfolge
October 7, 2005, 02:35 PM
What's next? HUD telling you you wont recieve their help if you own gun's and won't give them up?
I thought they already did that.

"What guns?"
In general, lying on a government form is a felony ... so yeah, get caught and you'll never own guns again.

lee n. field
October 7, 2005, 02:40 PM
The gov't is not allowed to block guns from public housing.

Injunction time.

Gewehr98
October 7, 2005, 02:42 PM
In general, lying on a government form is a felony... so yeah, get caught and you'll never own guns again

This ain't the ATF Form 4473 in my FFL files. It's probably closer to one of those Clinton-era Andrew Cuomo HUD apartment rent forms - a piece of feel-good blissninny tripe not worth the paper it's written on. I'd take my chances, and I'm an FFL holder.

Drizzt
October 8, 2005, 03:19 AM
SAF Demands Answers for Gun Ban at FEMA Relief Center Outside Baton Rouge

10/7/2005 6:03:00 PM

To: National and Metro desks

Contact: Alan Gottlieb of the Second Amendment Foundation, 425-454-7012

BELLEVUE, Wash., Oct. 7 /U.S. Newswire/ -- The Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) today expressed shock and disbelief that authorities are continuing to target firearms held by private citizens who are now seeking refuge at a relief center outside Baker, Louisiana, a bedroom community near Baton Rouge.

According to a report that aired on the Lehrer News Hour on Thursday, displaced New Orleans residents are being allowed to move into a compound called "FEMA City," where trailers and RVs have been assembled to provide temporary housing. Among the conditions for being allowed to move in - and the only one detailed by Baker Mayor Harold Rideau - is that no firearms are allowed. The compound was established by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), hence its nickname.

"This is not acceptable," said SAF Founder Alan Gottlieb, "especially after the lawsuit that we, and the National Rifle Association, filed recently in New Orleans that secured a temporary restraining order against the confiscation of firearms by police in that city and in nearby St. Tammany Parish.

"It doesn't matter whether this refuge community is behind a gate, or whether it is patrolled by police and security guards," Gottlieb continued. "This restriction appears to be illegal under Louisiana law and the state constitution, as well as under a federal court ruling some years ago that protected firearms owned by residents in a federal public housing facility in another state.

"We are making inquiries about this restriction, and who ordered it," Gottlieb said. "When we find out, whether it is an order that came from local authorities, or from FEMA, when we establish who gave that order, we are going to pursue legal action.

"Being the victim of a natural disaster does not require a citizen to surrender his or her civil rights, and that includes firearms rights and property rights," Gottlieb stated. "The anti- gun attitude that seems to be growing out of Louisiana's disaster had better change, or we're going to change it in court."

The Second Amendment Foundation ( http://www.saf.org ) is the nation's oldest and largest tax-exempt education, research, publishing and legal action group focusing on the Constitutional right and heritage to privately own and possess firearms. Founded in 1974, The Foundation has grown to more than 600,000 members and supporters and conducts many programs designed to better inform the public about the consequences of gun control. SAF has previously funded successful firearms-related suits against the cities of Los Angeles; New Haven, CT; and San Francisco on behalf of American gun owners, a lawsuit against the cities suing gun makers & an amicus brief & fund for the Emerson case holding the Second Amendment as an individual right.

http://www.usnewswire.com/

rick_reno
October 8, 2005, 03:40 AM
Look, itís a fact that trailers attract tornadoes. And when a tornado hits one of those FEMA trailer cities, all those guns could end up in the hands of felons and children.
The authorities know this and are simply trying to protect the public, they deserve our support.

Harve Curry
October 8, 2005, 10:38 AM
Quote: "The mayor stated that guns would not be allowed , and part of the contract that a person would have to sign ,if they wanted a trailer for housing, included a no guns clause .
In other words - if you own guns , you either have to give them up, or you will not receive help !
I obviously find that repulsive , and possibly illegal ??"

Below is the text of the original contract.
What part don't they understand?

Old Fuff
October 8, 2005, 11:13 AM
rick_reno:

>> Look, itís a fact that trailers attract tornadoes. And when a tornado hits one of those FEMA trailer cities, all those guns could end up in the hands of felons and children. <<

Following your line of reasoning, firearms should be prohibited in ALL trailer parks ...

For the sake of the children, right ?

Harve Curry
October 8, 2005, 03:17 PM
Yep, we should reject and ignore any litmus test-comparison to the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights in case of tornadoes, water spouts, hurricanes, earth quake, typhoons, ................

mnrivrat
October 8, 2005, 03:49 PM
What part don't you or they understand?

I'm not sure exactly what you meant by putting the "you" into that sentance ?

Exactly what was it that you didn't think I understood ?

To me , it's obvious what part of the second amendment they (authorities)choose to ignore when making such a rule.

It's less obvious to me where you stand and I'm not sure wether your being factitious , or ? .

At any rate , thanks Drizzt for publishing the text of the story.

There is no place to safely store guns in a $1 million house either - unless you creat one.

Look, itís a fact that trailers attract tornadoes.

LOL - I must of been out of science class that day ! Is that something like magnetic energy ?

mainmech48
October 8, 2005, 03:52 PM
IMO, it's more likely to be one of the Federal "strings" attached to aid in housing than a tacked-on local option.

My late father-in-law, a veteran of Korea and survivor of the long walk back from Chosin, was compelled to give up his firearms (including an air rifle!?) when he was forced to sell his home in a remote rural town and move into a Senior's apartment complex which operates with Federal subsidies due to deteriorating health and being an hour away from EMS where he was.

Legal or not, the restriction is still operative and it's dictated by the regulation requirements attached to the funding. Not all of those apartments are subsidized, nor are all of the residents receiving aid, but NO ONE who lives there may own firearms due to the fact that allowing them to would disqualify the entire operation from receiving Federal money.

Yeah, it stinks. And yeah, it's not Constitutional. But until somebody with the means to weather a protracted legal battle against an entrenched bureaucracy with the power to legislate by fiat comes along, there it is and there it will stay.

Brad Johnson
October 8, 2005, 04:43 PM
ATTENTION ALL CRIMINALS!!

You are now advised that all FEMA provided housing will be free of any risk to you. You can loot and pillage at will.

That is all.

deanf
October 9, 2005, 01:15 AM
Well if there is no place to safely store your guns in the trailer, then maybe they have a point

Uh, why is it unsafe to store guns in a locked trailer?

Or are you implying that guns should be stored inside a locked container, that container being inside another locked container?

Harve Curry
October 9, 2005, 02:05 AM
mnrivrat ,
Your right that sentence was not to clear. It's easy to tell you understand and I did not mean you or any other poster when I hit the submit. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. :o

Bman
October 9, 2005, 04:27 AM
The mayor stated that guns would not be allowed , and part of the contract that a person would have to sign ,if they wanted a trailer for housing, included a no guns clause .
Reminds me of all those cowboy movies I used to watch where you had to check your guns in at the sheriffs office first thing when you come into town.

I think you would have to be wacko in the first place to move into a FEMA mobile ghetto park. :barf:

denfoote
October 9, 2005, 03:10 PM
Where's the NRA on this one??

MikeIsaj
October 9, 2005, 03:38 PM
This is what happens when you abdicate personal responsibility to the state. If you are going to live in their shelter, eat their food and sleep on their cot, you will follow their rules.

This is one reason I put my vacation money into a travel trailer instead of someone elses beach house. It's mine, and I can put whatever I want in it. I don't need to sit at the foot of mother government and perform for my supper.

Lupinus
October 9, 2005, 03:39 PM
They got the confiscation's stopped.

Court's take time.

I just got done with an argument with a friend over the confiscation's in NOLA. She is convinced it is indivdual incident's and people forced from their home's is for their own safty.

The goverment has the right to break into my home? Confiscate my weapon's? Tackle me and drag me from my home? Do whatever they damn well please because they are the goverment and there has been a disaster?

BS. Plain old BS. I truly hope her sentiment is not the general one of people in LA. Cause if it is....well if you want to be sheep I guess that is your business. But you come into my home for my gun's you better be sure you are only getting them from me when I am dead.

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