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Drizzt
October 8, 2005, 03:00 AM
Student in trouble after finding bullet
Henry Hernandez found a bullet on his school bus, and then ended up in trouble

Posted: 10/07/2005 04:29 pm
Last Updated: 10/07/2005 08:47 pm

Story filed by NewsCenter16 Reporter
Robert Borrelli

Michigan City, IN - After a Michigan City middle school student found a bullet on-board his bus, he thought he might get a thank you. Instead, Henry Hernandezís family says he was nearly kicked out of school.

Unexpected discovery
Tuesday morning while riding to school, 14-year-old Hernandez found a bullet on the floor of his bus.

He thought he did the right thing by turning it in.

Hernandez is a Barker Middle School 8th grader, whose parents are happy with what he did.

His mother, Constance Rightsell, says, "I'm very proud of him for picking up the bullet and taking it to an adult."

Hernandez says he tried to give the bullet to the bus driver and a substitute teacher, and he finally gave it to an administrator.

Hernandezís parents say that Michigan City schools originally wanted to expel their son, but instead settled on a three-day suspension. A court hearing Thursday added another five days in an after-school detention program. But, his parents say he shouldn't be punished at all.

Hernandez explains, "I tried to do something right but then it came out as a suspension."

Rightsell says, "How can he be punished when he did a good thing?"

Hernandez's mom says school officials didn't investigate where the bullet came from, but instead focused on punishing Hernandez.

Rightsell says, "They didn't search the lockers, they didn't search the students immediately, which should have been done.Ē

Hernandez has attention-deficit-hyperactivity disorder, or ADHD and he was suspended from school for a time last year.

Hernandezís father, Gary Rightsell, says, "And now he has something on his record that I will fight all the way to the top to have taken off."

Constance Rightsell adds, "Everyone needs to fight for their children and that's what we're doing."

No comment
Michigan City school officials say they can't comment on the situation because it involves student privacy.

Hernandezís parents say they've contacted an attorney and intend on doing what they can to clear his name.

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mr.trooper
October 8, 2005, 03:08 AM
A BULLET! OMG!!!!!!! ITS A FREEK'N BULLET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111 OMG!!!

How can people be so stupid? :banghead:

c_yeager
October 8, 2005, 03:39 AM
Sounds pretty unfair on its face. On the other hand i have head some parents make up some pretty wacky stories to explain away outrageous behavior by their own children. And the fact is that the school *cannot* (and should not) comment on the case, so there is no counterpoint here at all.

When you look at the big picture consider this; The school appears to have *not* flipped out and put the place under lock-down upon the discovery of a "bullet". the kids 'reasonable' parents, on the other hand, had this to say: "They didn't search the lockers, they didn't search the students immediately, which should have been done.Ē

When you look at this aspect of the story the school officials come out looking like the one's with their head's on straight in contrast to this child's parents.

El Tejon
October 8, 2005, 10:06 AM
Ummm, it's squirrel hunting season here in Indiana. There are loose .22s in the pants and jacket pockets of many 14 year old boys.

Not unusal for me to find loose ammo in my clothing at school. Of course, we carried pocket knives and no one cared then. :uhoh:

Search lockers and students because someone finds a loose round? Geez, among the East Coast Eloi or the West Coast sure I could see it, but let's not have such hysteria here, thank you. :)

BTW, I have represented all kinds of people that "find" things--store merchandise, drugs, stolen booze, etc. :D :D

Old Fuff
October 8, 2005, 10:17 AM
>> Michigan City school officials say they can't comment on the situation because it involves student privacy. <<

Sure ... Even when its come out in the media ...

This is the more likely reason ...

>> Hernandezís parents say they've contacted an attorney --- <<

I wonder if any of these Zero Tolerance codes ever carry instructions saying what a student should do if the come across any firearms or ammunition?? I highly doubt it because then some responsibility might shift back where it should be - on the school's staff.

MikeIsaj
October 8, 2005, 10:24 AM
It's scarey when you realize these people have custodial responsibility of our children for five hours each day. If this is the hysteria they exhibit over a bullet, how will they react if a real threat presents itself?

What's being missed in this whole thing is the opportunity to teach a lesson. They should commend the boy for doing something about a danger. They then should instruct the whole school to not touch a danger but report it to an adult.

Also they need to think about unintended consequences. I imagine the word is running all over the school about the boy who got hammered for trying to do the right thing. Will the administration be aghast the next time something "dangerous" is seen and ignored for fear of getting in trouble?

Remington788
October 8, 2005, 11:08 AM
It's things like this that remind me of why me father always said to avoid trouble, "keep your mouth shut and your eyes and ears open" ;)

Car Knocker
October 8, 2005, 03:04 PM
We're only getting one side of the story here. Federal privacy laws severely limit what schools can disclose about students.

Did anyone note that there was a court hearing that added after-school detention? I think that there may be a lot about this incident that is not in the news article.

I'll reserve judgement until more facts are available and both sides of the story are heard.

Pilgrim
October 8, 2005, 04:26 PM
Hernandezís parents say that Michigan City schools originally wanted to expel their son, but instead settled on a three-day suspension. A court hearing Thursday added another five days in an after-school detention program.
Yes, given a couple of unsupervised hours in the school's metal shop he could have built a gun for it.

Rightsell says, "They didn't search the lockers, they didn't search the students immediately, which should have been done.Ē
Interesting suggestion from a mother whose son is being hammered by an overbearing zero tolerance policy.

He thought he did the right thing by turning it in.
No good deed goes unpunished.

Pilgrim

Standing Wolf
October 8, 2005, 10:07 PM
How can people be so stupid?

They go to school for it.

thorn726
October 8, 2005, 10:40 PM
these parents should call the local police dept, and get a REp. of the police to straighten out this school.

any LEO on here think that might have any impact? ??

Telperion
October 8, 2005, 10:47 PM
Looks like the kid got a valuable lesson on dealing with authority. Probably a good thing he got it now while the stakes are low, only a few days suspension from school.

Firethorn
October 8, 2005, 11:31 PM
I think that the mother's suggestion to search lockers and bags was an attempt, however ill-thought, to deflect suspicion from her son.

My thought on this:

What a great idea to instill mistrust of government, of authority in these kids!

They're all going to know the details through the news and grapevine. Don't report to the authorities! You're the easiest one to blame. I bet you'd be able to register the drop in likelyhood to report criminal activity, terrorist activity, for the whole school in complete percentage points.

Joejojoba111
October 8, 2005, 11:34 PM
That mother supports a police state as much as any other fascist, so I don't really know what to do but laugh. Lol. Her love for authority and subservience, and whilst trying to suck up her son was punished by the grinding gears of authority she helped empower.

And she learned nothing. Lol. It's perfect. Poetic.

If you don't see the humour, then it's just frightening and tyrannical and scary and sad.

Old Fuff
October 9, 2005, 10:00 AM
Firethorn has a good point. While on one hand these schools are trying to get the students to report any knowledge they may have about other students planing some kind of shooting, they are also telling the same students that turning in firearms' related objects or even reporting something about them may get one into trouble.

So on one hand they want the students to be open and trust them, but on the other they build a wall between themselves and the student body.

I am sure that the students in this school will be VERY careful about getting involved, and that might turn out to be very serious.

If I was a parent I would be thinking, "is this policy protecting or endangering my child?"

Lupinus
October 9, 2005, 11:14 AM
If it were my kid I would be asking for the forms I need to sign to remove him from the public school system and if I could afford it send him to a decent private school that wasn't so idiotic or if I didn't have the money figure out a schedual so I could homeschool him.

Don Gwinn
October 9, 2005, 11:28 AM
What most people don't know about these zero-tolerance policies that require expulsion of any child found with anything even resembling a weapon is that they're not even required anymore. The feds worked that requirement into some bill years ago; it would have denied funding to schools that didn't comply. School boards across the nation rushed to put these policies into place because, hey, that "free" federal money is too important to jeopardize over whether we're willing to be stupid or not.
Then the feds quietly killed that provision, knowing it would never stand up to serious legal challenge, but the work was done, and it was all on the much-coveted "local level." Yay!


My 9-year-old son Donovan took some empty cases and a couple of bullets (not cartridges, bullets) to show his babysitter the other day. Just stuff he picked up on the range a long time ago. He claims he forgot he had them and got on the bus with them still in his pocket; his brother says he was offering to sell them to the other kids. :rolleyes:
One way or another, he managed to bring the "contraband" to the school and get caught with it. The principal is new this year and she called the Superintendent, a gold-plated fool if ever there was one. That genius' idea was to call the police and have an officer come to school to read my son the riot act. :eek:

That would have been interesting. First, Donovan would have had a meltdown thinking he was going to jail. Then, we'd have had a LONG meeting where they explained exactly who thought it was a good idea to call the cops because a minor school rule was violated.

The new principal is a lot more sensible than that, though. She took the offending items and threw them away, then called my wife at work while Donovan was with her and made sure he knew we would handle it. In other words, she handled it as if he'd brought gum, a cell phone, or some other item he isn't allowed to possess at school, not as if he had pointed a gun at somebody. I explained to Donovan that he simply has to follow that rule if he wants to attend that school; it's run by the school board and they have the right to make the rules.

I'm on her side for good now.

dpesec
October 9, 2005, 11:38 AM
I did some teaching with emotionally disturbed children. I remember one child brought in a 10x rifle scope to school one day. Everybody was concerned, not about the scope itself, but that this child must have taken it off a rifle. This meant the chjild had access to the rifles in the house. Ths is what concerned me. The child was violent at times and that could spell problems. I strongly suggested that the administrators should contact the partents and let them know what happened.

Lupinus
October 9, 2005, 11:39 AM
Good call by the principle and that is how such thing's should be handled.

Lupinus
October 9, 2005, 11:42 AM
DP

Perhap's spare scope's are not locked up. Perhap's all the rifle's have trigger lock's. If the rifle's arn't locked perhaps the ammo is or it is at least hidden away someplace the kid can't get it. Maybe he asked his parent's if he could bring it to school.

Any number of explination's beside's the kid just has unlimited access to gun's and is at time's violent.

Now if it had been an actual gun or a bullet or something like that absoloutly. But just a rifle scope wouldn't cause nay of my alarms to go off.

hoppinglark
October 9, 2005, 01:13 PM
If a "kid" finds a bullet and decides to turn it in.
He must 1. NOT want to keep it
2. Think it's important that the school know
3. Think that someone had the gun for it, and that person rides the
bus, (see 2.)

I think his actions are exactly what would make Sarah Brady, and Wayne LaPierre proud, he did the right thing, wouldn't you say?

He could have kept it
he could have thrown it in the trash or out the bus window
but he didn't
the school is a bunch of morons

Kurush
October 9, 2005, 01:46 PM
The parents' story sounds suspiciously like defense attorney boilerplate :rolleyes:

Hernandez's mom says school officials didn't investigate where the bullet came from, but instead focused on punishing Hernandez.

Rightsell says, "They didn't search the lockers, they didn't search the students immediately, which should have been done.ĒI think this is called the "rush to judgement" defense.

Hernandezís parents say they've contacted an attorney and intend on doing what they can to clear his name.In other words the parents' attorney contacted the media to make sure their version of events got out first.

I think the real question is whether this was a just a bullet or a complete cartridge. Unless the father is a reloader it's fairly unlikely that there are plain bullets sitting around, so it may well be that it was a live cartridge and the journo doesn't know the difference. I'd say surreptitiously taking a live cartridge to school is pretty serious business myself.

hoppinglark
October 10, 2005, 03:26 PM
BUT WHAT IF he really did just find it on the bus?
Don't you think you'd be a little bit upset if your son was suspended for doing the "right" thing?

Carl N. Brown
October 10, 2005, 03:38 PM
By the only account he found it and turned it in.

It is not like it was found on him and he tried to
explain it away by saying he found it, as some
are implying.

It appears that the school found out about
because he turned it in. And he was punished.

From the time I was ten (1958) I carried a
boyscout knife and even sharpened pencils
in school with it. My god have we turned into
a nation of complete ninnies?

bamawrx
October 10, 2005, 04:46 PM
This story reminds me of last xmas when visiting family I bent over to pick up something off the floor and bullets started falling all over the place. I though nothing of it and bent over to pick up the bullets and you guessed it more bullets fell out. A guy from calif was sitting there and his eyes where wide open in suprise. Are those... BULLETS! uh uh real bullets! :what: I camly said they were and kept trying to pick up the bullets. Dang they just kept falling out of everywhere. I must have filled every pocket I had with .22's. Its amazing how "some people" just flip out over stupid inanimate objects. Its not like a gun fell out of my pocket....it was secure in my holster :D

Old Fuff
October 10, 2005, 08:38 PM
Carl N. Brown:

>> My god have we turned into a nation of complete ninnies? <<

Yes sir, I think we have. In many places the blissnannies are in charge, and determined to make boys into good little girls ... :eek: :cuss:

All they need is time and compliant parents ...

otasan
October 10, 2005, 09:34 PM
or a cartridge?

TheEgg
October 11, 2005, 01:52 PM
Kid should learn a cheap life lesson from this. Don't ever trust the "authorities" to do the sensible thing. They might, but don't count on it.

Old Fuff
October 11, 2005, 02:29 PM
>> Kid should learn a cheap life lesson from this. Don't ever trust the "authorities" to do the sensible thing. They might, but don't count on it. <<


Yes, he might have learned that lesson, and many of his fellow students might have too.

Hopefully this with be pointed out the Principal, and the School Board as well. :cuss: :banghead:

foghornl
October 11, 2005, 03:10 PM
Kid should learn a cheap life lesson from this. Don't ever trust the "authorities" to do the sensible thing. They might, but don't count on it.
+100 on the above

Lesson 2...In a "Zero Tolerance" setting, that usually means "Less Than Zero Sense."

Lesson 3...No good deed goes unpunished by 'The Authorities', particularly under Zero Tolerance rules.

thorn726
October 11, 2005, 03:41 PM
im gonna say it again, the parents should call their local police chief and have him call the school, i bet anything the top LE will think the kid did the right thing

Car Knocker
October 11, 2005, 04:04 PM
Thorn726,

What the chief thinks doesn't matter. It has progressed above his level:

A court hearing Thursday added another five days in an after-school detention program.

Obviously a judge felt the circumstances (which we don't know) merited additional punishment.

jefnvk
October 11, 2005, 04:44 PM
I'm with the 'if the court added more to the suspension, there is probably more to the story' group.

Having been a recent high school student, it is not hard for me to believe the story the parents got and what really happened were completely different.

Chrontius
October 11, 2005, 06:25 PM
Having recently been a high school student, it is not hard for me to believe that the student is getting royally shafted.

hoppinglark
October 11, 2005, 11:39 PM
yeah IF he's telling the truth they may be punishing him for simply
picking it up. :banghead:

thorn726
October 12, 2005, 03:11 PM
i would be bringing a rep of the police dept to that hearing.

judges have enough power to end this nonsense, and a LE's word on it would help i bet.
hopefully the judge will be smart enough on hids own to throw it out the window.

and at any rate, talking to the school could NOT hurt = it could help the kid's record and future

CAS700850
October 12, 2005, 04:43 PM
For the life of me, I simply cannot fathom that school officials, law enforcement/prosecutors, and court officials did all of this simply because the kid found and turned in a round of ammunition to the school authorities. I cannot believe, if the kid's version (through his parents) is true, that among all of these people in the system, no one stopped this process to say "Hey, he did the right thing."

I think there's more going on here than we know...





Or at least I hope there is. :scrutiny:

Old Fuff
October 12, 2005, 04:51 PM
Maybe, but I think if something more was going on the media would have found something out and started to sensationalize the story. If all of this happened in a liberal la-la land school district or city the reaction is what I'd expect.

Janitor
October 12, 2005, 04:52 PM
these parents should call the local police dept, and get a REp. of the police to straighten out this school.

any LEO on here think that might have any impact? ??
Yea - yea. I can hear them now:

"I am the only one in this room professional enough to ..."

:D

thorn726
October 12, 2005, 04:55 PM
well, yeah, that's how you or I would see it, but come on think about the sheeple we're dealing with here

WayneConrad
October 12, 2005, 05:04 PM
It doesn't matter if there is more to the story. Mere possession of a round of ammunition is, in itself, harmless, and should be treated as such.

Kurush
October 12, 2005, 05:45 PM
It doesn't matter if there is more to the story. Mere possession of a round of ammunition is, in itself, harmless, and should be treated as such.You sure about that?

The situation could very well be that he brought a live rimfire to school and was trying to get people to dare him to hit it with a hammer in shop class. The teacher comes over and stops him and calls for security. A security guard takes him to the principal who demands he hand it over, so he "turns it in".

The family contacts an attorney and they come up with the baloney story about finding it on the bus and trying to turn it in, then they release their version of events to the newsmedia to put pressure on the school.

We'll never know what he intended to do with the cartridge/bullet because the school isn't allowed to talk about it, but (1) the family's story is setting my BS meter off and (2) it is entirely possible that he was creating a dangerous situation

HighVelocity
October 12, 2005, 05:48 PM
Good thing he didn't find a suppository, probably would've evacuated the city.

c_yeager
October 13, 2005, 02:25 AM
Maybe, but I think if something more was going on the media would have found something out and started to sensationalize the story.

Not necessarily. The school's silence is the correct course of action. The kid has a right to privacy and the school and police have a legal obligation to protect that right.

If all of this happened in a liberal la-la land school district or city the reaction is what I'd expect.

heres the thing though; if this had happened in a liberal la-la land then the school would have gone under "lock-down" and searched all the lockers, etc. they didnt. The whole thing doesnt add up right.

Hawkmoon
October 13, 2005, 12:52 PM
It doesn't matter if there is more to the story. Mere possession of a round of ammunition is, in itself, harmless, and should be treated as such.
In a sane world, perhaps. Unfortunately we do not live in a sane world.

Try driving across the border into Mexico with a loose round or three in your trunk and you'll have lots of time to explain to the Federales how a loose round is harmless and should be treated as such.

DontBurnMyFlag
October 13, 2005, 08:35 PM
i went to the airport and i had an EMPTY .357 shell casing in my bag. EMPTY!!! They wouldnt let me on unless I threw it away!!!!

R.H. Lee
October 13, 2005, 08:40 PM
If a 'bullet' is that dangerous, the parents should sue the school for exposing their child to it in the first place. He could have been killed or seriously injured or exposed to lead poisoning or something. Schools have lots of money. Get a mad dog lawyer and sue, sue, sue.

Carl N. Brown
October 14, 2005, 04:10 PM
Fired .357 casing in airline luggage: could the residue
confuse an explosive sensor? Would you want to be
there if that happened?

Ryder
October 14, 2005, 08:45 PM
I wouldn't have turned it in when I was 14. I'd have stuck it on the railroad tracks and come back the next day to see what happened. :evil:

The parents are worried about his reputation after already having him labeled with a mental deficiency :confused:

hoppinglark
October 16, 2005, 01:26 AM
I'm thinking this through,

Kid finds cartridge
kid tells bus driver
bus driver has to go do the High School route so he tells the kid to tell his teacher
Kid tells teacher,
teacher flips out and sends student to the office to tell the administration
Kid goes to office
Office people think kid was "sent to office" for having bullet, not because he found bullet
administration susspends kid and won't listen to his story
we read article and get mad

not cool

Kim
October 16, 2005, 03:26 AM
This thread made me think of the CD I watched today. Someone in my small town in Arkansas made a local film of the town in 1941 and it has been placed on CD. I watched it with my mom today. It showed the local Churches with all the people coming out of them, it showed local "Industries and Resources ie cattle, chickens in peoples yard pens,saw mill, sand from River,Creamery, it showed the schools and the children. I was amazed that it showed a group of boys in a circle on their knees throwing their pocket knives in a games to see if they would land blade stuck in the ground. My Mom told me this film was made as the community knew we were going to war and they wanted a movie so if the city was bombed or invaded and destroyed there would be a record of the way it was were before. I thought it was very interesting.

silverlance
October 16, 2005, 03:45 AM
they say the kid has adhd. very often this means that the kid has been misbehaving so severely for so long that they had him "tested" (and if you've worked in education you know how these things can work... nearly every kid can "test" for adhd if it's done "properly") and certified adhd so he can get additional "help" and the school can get additional funding. often this is a case worker who goes to school with the kid and follows him around so he doesn't do something totally stupid. or a case worker who follows 5-8 kids around.

what i'm trying to say is that they may be trying to paint the kid as a innocent little boy but he may actually be a little terror and this last incident may have been just the thing the school has been waiting for to get rid of him.

constance3721
January 10, 2007, 02:07 PM
hello all

i found this forum today and found it to be quite interesting....

I am the mother of the boy who found the bullet.....

I would love to discuss this topic with all who posted,,,

My sons name was cleared, and was issued an apology...
there is now a guideline in place for this situation for other students.


I look forward to the discussion

Constance Rightsell

Bubbles
January 10, 2007, 02:24 PM
Welcome ma'am. Glad to hear your son was cleared and your son was given an apology.

Incidents like the one your family had to endure are the reason my hubby and I will be homeschooling. Neither he nor I have any tolerance for "zero tolerance" policies.

constance3721
January 10, 2007, 02:27 PM
thank you so much...

I am not sure how i found this forum but when I started reading it I was quite interested on the opinions and felt what better way to discuss this issue and figued I should be involved.

Constance

Blackfork
January 10, 2007, 02:33 PM
If your boy in interested in shooting I am sure there are junior programs looking for someone just like him. Having him learn in a program would certainly help insulate him from gun safety problems in the future.

The safest kids are the ones who have been trained to shoot!

Sorry about your rough transit of the school system. Hope things are settling down.

ArmedBear
January 10, 2007, 02:39 PM
Everybody was concerned, not about the scope itself, but that this child must have taken it off a rifle. This meant the chjild had access to the rifles in the house.

Won't be much good without the scope, though.:p

BTW I often have a scope sitting on a shelf, since I have a nice set of Warne QD rings and I take the scope off to do a thorough cleaning of my deer rifle. The rifle, however, is locked up tighter than a nun's you-know-what.

I know a few teachers. The ones under 40 universally have their heads lodged so far up their butts they ain't never gonna see the light of day. Some of the older generation, I might actually trust to hold my dog's leash while I go take a piss, but not the younger ones.

Not sure what to do with our forthcoming little human, but it's not gonna be an easy choice.

c_yeager
January 10, 2007, 04:01 PM
My sons name was cleared, and was issued an apology...
there is now a guideline in place for this situation for other students.


What is the new guideline?

constance3721
January 10, 2007, 04:07 PM
if a student is to come across any weapon, ammunition or drugs, then they are to report it not pick it up and turn it in just to get authorities asap......
I don`t agree with this because in the meantime another student can come across it and pick it up maybe to turn it in or keep it for themself.... but that is the new policy.....


Remember zero tolerance........

Now after my sons ordeal many kids will probably just ignore it so they don`t get in trouble... as i am sure my children will probably do.......'


constance

El Tejon
January 10, 2007, 04:11 PM
Glad to know your boy came out O.K.

carebear
January 10, 2007, 04:25 PM
My god have we turned into a nation of complete ninnies?

Yes sir, I think we have. In many places the blissnannies are in charge, and determined to make boys into good little girls ...

All they need is time and compliant parents ...

I know you were using parallel structure to make a point but that's kind of insulting to little girls.

The idiot elites are trying to make unquestioning, PC automatons. They want to remove gender characteristics, not impose any, they no more want strong-minded, independant yet maternal and feminine women than they want strong-minded, independant yet paternal and masculine men.

My nieces and goddaughter are as "pink-loving and girly" as they come, but they aren't wussy, "modern" idiot eloi. They love hanging out with Uncle Matt and his guns and they are scrappy. Like real women.

There's nothing inherently weak about women or girls. We need to remember there's a lot of pro-2nd, hyper-competant female shooters on this and other boards.

Call a spade a spade, the PC socialist elites don't want to make "girls", they want to make slaves.

constance3721
January 10, 2007, 04:58 PM
MayI ask what in the world are you referring to....

My son is all boy, I have just raised him to have a morals and scrupples as well as male intuition...

constance

PILMAN
January 10, 2007, 05:23 PM
Reminds me of the time a kid brought a squirt gun to school in kindergarden for his holloween costume as a cop and was suspended for 2 weeks.

carebear
January 10, 2007, 05:47 PM
Constance,

If you read a little earlier in the thread you'll note several folks commented on what "they" (zero-tolerance school staff) want to turn our kids into.

In the inset boxes on my post I quoted the exchange I was addressing, in this case Old Fuff's comment that "they" want to turn little boys into little girls. What he meant was they want to make all children weak and wimpy, I was reminding him "weak and wimpy" are not synonymous with "little girl".

Male gun folks (me included) often use shorthand that is kinda sexist, yet freedom and gun rights in particular are not sex-specific. There are a lot of gun-toting, freedom-minded moms (and not mom's) on this board and out in the general populace. To keep from appearing to be "good ol boys" and insulting off-handedly we, as male gun owners, should bear that in mind and be a little more precise in our language.

That was all.

SuperNaut
January 10, 2007, 05:57 PM
Good thing the kid didn't find any aspirin or a nail file.

Just think, pretty soon nobody will even think it out of the ordinary to be denied the ability to take pocketknives, scissors, lighters, or liquids on a plane...

*cough*

Hemicuda
January 10, 2007, 05:58 PM
I second the "teach 'em how to shoot" sentiment... As a kid, me and my friends were all shooters... and we NEVER had any trouble with guns... (besides wanting to own more of them!)

Constance... you might take up the offer of letting someone "in the know" teach your ADHD son how to handle guns safely... I was ADHD as a schoolkid... and learning and practicing the art of extreme accuracy with a .22 taught me ALOT about being calm and thinking before acting... (and it was darned fun to boot!)

there may LIKELY be some THR members near you who might help out...

I cannot COUNT the children in my life who have shot my guns, learned from me, AND that I have given ammunition to... I keep a brick or 2 of .22's in my pickup, and CONSTANTLY give it out to my friends kids when they are deserving... (and let their parents bring them to my private range to shoot...)

insidious_calm
January 10, 2007, 06:08 PM
I'm simply amazed at those in this thread who have expressed doubt that this could have happened the way it was originally presented. That while we have a thread on this very forum where a guy was arrested, jailed, and extradited to another state and NOBODY even bothered to verify his real identity even after he insisted he was not who they wanted! Naive may be a bit strong of a term for it, maybe not. Never underestimate the ability of people with less than amoeba intelligence to make their way into positions of authority, power, and influence such as schools, courts, politics, and law enforcement.


Constance,

Congratulations on the result. I hope you can get some sort of judgement out of the deal even if it is taxpayer money. Stupidity should be painful. Financially painful should suffice.


I.C.

crunker
January 10, 2007, 09:19 PM
The messege these authorities are sending is disturbing.
They want you to ignore a potential weapon (or device intended to be used in a weapon)?

Well, I know what I'm gonna do if I find a bullet, knife, or gun at school. I'm not touching. Nor will I tell anyone.
If I tell someone, they may think I ditched it in order to "wash my hands" of the crime.

If someone gets shot or stabbed with the weapon and people ask me why I didn't say anything, then I'll bring this BS up.

:barf:

Carl N. Brown
January 12, 2007, 03:25 PM
I carried a pocket knife--boy scout knife with large and small
blades, can opener and bottle cap remover--to school from
about the age of nine or ten. I even sharpened pebcils in
class with it and never thought of it as a weapon(!!!)

My dad attended school on Browns Mountain and it was not
uncommon for boys (and sometimes girls) to hunt wild game
after school for the family pantry.

In my high school, some guys in wood working class made stocks
for old family guns.

Today, we would all be banished to some politically correct
gulag. This brave new world order wants genderless plastic
robots obediant to the state and fearful of everything.

Turning in a lost cartridge rather than leaving it was just a
common sense thing to do. (imagine some other kid finding it
and hitting it with a rock to see what would happen.)

Strings
January 12, 2007, 04:45 PM
>and determined to make boys into good little girls<

I'm gonna reinforce what carebear said here: I realy don't think TPTB want to create more lil' Tamaras, and sincerly doubt TPTB had much of a hand in how Madmike's young girl is turning out... ;)

Constance, I'm willing to put money on the thought that there are members of THR in your area that would be more than willing to take your family out on a range day. If you're in NE Wisconsin, I'd do it...

carebear
January 12, 2007, 11:20 PM
Tune in for another exciting episode of Cartoon Network's newest, non-PC show "lil' Tamara and Friends". Next week's show - "Irwin's Bane, Quest for an Ice Pack"

:evil:

Car Knocker
January 13, 2007, 04:55 PM
I'm simply amazed at those in this thread who have expressed doubt that this could have happened the way it was originally presented. Is it your contention that news stories, especially initial articles about an incident, are factual, correct and complete and we should accept them as presented, without question, skepticism or doubt?

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