(CO) Man suing police to get his guns returned


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Drizzt
October 8, 2005, 02:43 AM
Man suing police

By Pamela Dickman
The Daily Reporter-Herald
A Loveland man is suing the Loveland Police Department, asking a judge to make the police return guns and ammunition he claims they are illegally holding.

Richard Petersen filed suit Sept. 16 in Larimer County Court. He has asked Judge Christine Carney to order the return of four guns, ammunition and accessories worth $4,865.

The city has not yet responded to the claim. Its attorneys have until Oct. 13 to do so.

City Attorney John Duval said his staff is working on that response.

“I can’t comment on it any more,” Duval said Thursday.

In the suit, Petersen claims a Loveland detective entered his home May 4, 2004, at the request of his landlord as a witness to ensure the landlord did nothing inappropriate.

He claims the officer illegally searched his house then returned, without a warrant or cause, and seized the weapons, which police will not return.

Duval admits the city does have some of Petersen’s guns.

“The guns were turned over to us by his landlord,” Duval said.

However, he did not say why the city would not return them.

“That will be in our answer” filed in court, Duval explained.

The city did offer Petersen $1,550 for his property, Duval said. Petersen did not accept.

In April, Petersen told the Reporter-Herald in an e-mail that he declined the offer because the list used to estimate the value was not a complete list of his property held by police.

http://www.lovelandfyi.com/Top-Story.asp?ID=2388

Something is really weird with all this...

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Alex45ACP
October 8, 2005, 03:44 AM
If this happened to me, I'd simply have to go take them back personally :fire:

Buck Snort
October 8, 2005, 03:52 AM
Some cops are great guys and some cops have an ax to grind.

motoman
October 8, 2005, 05:03 AM
Sounds like a clear cut burglary to me. Why aren't charges being filed. This guy should contact the BATFE and file stolen gun reports.

Matthew748
October 8, 2005, 07:28 AM
“The guns were turned over to us by his landlord,” Duval said.

When did the landlord ever have title to Richard’s guns and other personal property? It sounds to me like this theft was a joint effort. If possessing the guns violated Richard Petersen’s lease agreement the landlord should have taken that up with Richard, not the police.

Crosshair
October 8, 2005, 07:39 AM
This guy is going to get a large chunk of change, and diserve it too. Cops need to know they can't pull this crap. :fire:

AGD1776
October 8, 2005, 10:50 AM
Whwnever the gov't. gets it's hands on your guns it is a pain to ever get it back. I had a gun stolen from me and it took me a year to get it back after the police recovered it.

Pilgrim
October 8, 2005, 11:46 AM
In the suit, Petersen claims a Loveland detective entered his home May 4, 2004, at the request of his landlord as a witness to ensure the landlord did nothing inappropriate.

He claims the officer illegally searched his house then returned, without a warrant or cause, and seized the weapons, which police will not return.

Duval admits the city does have some of Petersen’s guns.

“The guns were turned over to us by his landlord,” Duval said.
I hope Petersen doesn't ignore the landlord in pursuing legal redress. A landlord's authority to enter the premises of a tenant is limited to scheduled inspections and/or repair after giving prior notice to the tenant. Unscheduled entries are to deal with emergency situations such as smoke, water leaking, etc.

The city attorney seems to be looking for a way out. "The guns were turned over to us by his landlord." Does this mean the Loveland detective was a principal in the burglary of Petersen's home?

I sincerely hope Petersen has a really good attorney here. He might even end up with a nice house out of it.

Pilgrim

spocahp anar
October 8, 2005, 07:13 PM
Sounds like the guy may be in breech of payment of rent. If you fail to pay rent then you must go to court file for eviction and then once the eviction is served by the LEO then you have a certain time in which to vacate. If you fail to vacate then the Sherriff goes to the house with you and escorts the tenants out. If the tenants are gone then you have the right to vacate their belongings. I can't remember the laws on possession of left property. I think you can dispose of the property as you see fit. If the tenant was in default and had guns then the Sherrif would have the authority to remove them, but I believe they would have to be returned.

spocahp anar
October 8, 2005, 07:15 PM
Fact that they are offering payment shows they know they are in the wrong; I bet some of htose weapons have already fopund their way to some detective's locker. :cuss:

Pilgrim
October 8, 2005, 08:29 PM
I can't remember the laws on possession of left property. I think you can dispose of the property as you see fit. If the tenant was in default and had guns then the Sherrif would have the authority to remove them, but I believe they would have to be returned.
It depends on the state. In the PDRK, the landlord had to store any personal belongings left behind after an eviction for fifteen days. If after fifteen days the tenant had not claimed the personal belongings and paid fair storage fees, the landlord had to follow the law in disposing the property. If the value of the abandoned property was less than $300, the landlord could keep it or throw it away. If the value was $300 or more, the landlord had to conduct a public auction. After the auction, the landlord could deduct storage fees and the cost of the auction. If the landlord also had a money judgment against the tenant, the landlord could also apply money gained from the auction towards satisfaction of the judgment.

After storage fees, auction costs, and money judgment were satisfied, if there was any left the landlord had to pay the remainer to the tenant. If the tenant could not be found, the landlord had to deposit the excess with the county treasurer in the name of the tenant.

Pilgrim

Standing Wolf
October 8, 2005, 08:59 PM
The "article" merely scratches the surface of the full story.

Molon Labe
October 8, 2005, 10:22 PM
Was he home when they burglarized his home? If so, he should have shot the thieves...

hoppinglark
October 10, 2005, 02:22 PM
"The "article" merely scratches the surface of the full story."

Care to fill us in on the whole story?

I'd really like to know what's going on here.

tulsamal
October 10, 2005, 02:40 PM
Not a difficult prediction. This thread is on THR. It mentions the police. It says things about them that might be considered critical of them. Therefore, this thread will soon be locked. Can we start some kind of pool on how long it will be?

Gregg

Beren
October 10, 2005, 02:49 PM
This might be really difficult to follow along, but please try: criticism of anyone is fine and dandy. When you jump over the edge into moonbat rantings of how all police everywhere and everywhen are corrupt thugs and how you're going to go at them with your nine - yes, I will lock the thread.

Standing Wolf
October 10, 2005, 08:34 PM
Care to fill us in on the whole story?

If I knew the full story, I'd certainly share it. There's not enough in the "article" to base a judgement upon.

yorec
October 10, 2005, 09:18 PM
Agreed Standing Wolf - not too hard to tell that there is more to this without knowing exactly what it all is...

TheEgg
October 11, 2005, 12:45 PM
“The guns were turned over to us by his landlord,” Duval said.

This is just plain goofy -- makes me think that the whole thing is a massive FUBAR by the authorities.

The offer of money to the gun-owner furthers this theory.

spocahp anar
October 11, 2005, 09:50 PM
This leads me to believe the guy was in breech of rent.

hoppinglark
October 11, 2005, 10:34 PM
The whole thing sounds weird and I want to know what REALLY happend.

GunGoBoom
October 11, 2005, 10:51 PM
Absolutely outrageous (if true). He deserves punitive damages for this conversion (civil counterpart to theft/larceny). The cop should be punished and jailed for this theft, in addition to his supervisor if the supervisor approved it. He'd better get a huge settlement or something is *seriously* wrong with our system. :fire:

rpetersen
December 18, 2007, 03:10 PM
I am Richard Petersen and if you are interested in learning the full story please contact me at rpetersen405@hotmail.com.

Not only did the police remove 8 firearms, 3 rifles and 5 pistols, from my residence 4 of those firearms and approximately 60 boxes of ammunition disappeared.

My ex-landlord Rick Brent, with the aid of his attorney Jack Weatherill, filed at least three blatantly false written statments with the Loveland Police about the gun thefts and how Brent's sister and brother in law, Cleo and Roger Hansen, come into possession of property I had reported as stolen.

The Loveland Police, City Manager and City Attorney are all aware that Brent lied to the police. The detective, Thomas Vermilye, who was present during the seizure of the guns has also been caught falsifing several reports.

Instead of investigating the crime the City Manager, Loveland Police, Reporter-Herald News Paper and Weatherill have all threatened to have me arrested if I attempt to contact them about the theft of more than $20,000.00 of my property. The Manager, Weatherill and the Reporter-Hearld served me with "no trespass notices". I would be arrested if I attempted to contact them.

The threats arose out of my delivering to the City Manager documents which revealed Brent's and Vermilye's lies. After delivering the documents I visited Pamela Dickman and suggested that she contact the City Manager to ask him about the documents he had just recieved. Dickman agreed to do so. I have audio recordings of my conversations with all of the parties involved.

Vermilye reported that there were only 4 guns in the residence on May 4, 2004. On May 5, 2004 Vermilye made a statement to Victoriez Jerome that he had removed a large number of guns and more ammunition from the residence than the police department keeps in stock.

When I went public with information Detective Vermilye and Officer Joe Berdin attempted to file a "Criminal Libel" complaint against me. That complaint is a felony in Colorado.

My guns and other propety were stolen. The police have never done any investigation. The only people in the residence have all been caught lying and the police threaten to have me arrested for speaking the truth.

I have just scratched the surface. If you want to learn more feel free to contact me.

Thanks.

W.E.G.
December 18, 2007, 03:15 PM
Sounds like a fun series of depositions.

TexasRifleman
December 18, 2007, 03:17 PM
This leads me to believe the guy was in breach of rent.

Sounds like it to me.

Well Mr Petersen? If that's you would you care to explain? You posted more but still there is really no information in any of this.

Did you owe back rent? Were you evicted? Did your rental agreement allow the landlord to come in and take property to try to get his back rent paid?

Lots of questions here before calling for any lynchings.....

And most importantly I think you need an attorney. His first order to you would probably be to shut up about the whole thing in public.

But if you want to talk about it, there are some questions to start with.

romma
December 18, 2007, 03:21 PM
Let your lawyers do the talking Mr Petersen... Be careful what you post here if you are being threatened with arrest by Gezstapo...

Geno
December 18, 2007, 03:32 PM
Sir:

You can never go wrong by seeking an attorney's advice. Most will provide at minimum a free session to get a basic feel for the case's implications. I assure you, that if someone took my firearms, I would have an attorney all over the matter. I would not be dealing with it alone. God speed and good luck!

Doc2005

mekender
December 18, 2007, 03:46 PM
something smells here... this is something that is reported to have happened in may of '04 and it is just now being a news story... $20,000 worth of property seized would have had my lawyer out of bed at 3am the night it happened, not even waiting till the next day... as for this being posted 3 years later on a public forum... i smell something stinky, and its not on the bottom of my shoe

AntiqueCollector
December 18, 2007, 04:53 PM
How did court/your lawsuit go?

Bailey Boat
December 18, 2007, 05:25 PM
Richard, please tell us if they were there pursuant to a lawful eviction in process.......

IF (and I stress if) that were the case the officer in charge of the eviction CANNOT place any item on the public right of way that may cause harm to the general public (of which guns would be in that category) Some states (don't know about CO) still place the belongings on the public right of way of the nearest street.

IF the possessions (including the guns) of Richard were taken into "storage" by the landlord then the landlord and the bonded storage facility are to be held responsible for the safekeeping of said possessions.

IF the officer in charge of the eviction took possession of the guns for "the safe being of the general public" then he is bound by law to return said property upon request from the lawful owner, assuming the lawful owner can prove ownership and competency to own firearms within that jurisdiction.

Richard, please enlighten us as to the "rest of the story" .....

TexasRifleman
December 18, 2007, 05:53 PM
Richard, please enlighten us as to the "rest of the story" please...

My gut feeling is that you just told the rest of the story yourself......all those things line up nicely with what we know so far.

brighamr
December 18, 2007, 05:56 PM
Interesting how many OLD threads have been revived lately....

in spite of that, why on earth would anyone wait three years to only address this on a public forum? Wouldn't it make more sense to have sought advice\sympathy\empathy 3 years ago? why drag it up now?

siglite
December 18, 2007, 06:24 PM
Wow, if Mr. Peterson's claims are true, sounds like with the right plaintiff's attorney, he'll own city hall in about four years. And when will the FBI / State police investigations into police / city corruption begin? Note that's a heavy caveat, Mr. Peterson, but then this IS the internet.

Is anything a matter of public record and available to us as to how the landlord and police wound up in the possession of your firearms in the first place?

gym
December 18, 2007, 06:32 PM
Look at the post I put up about a week ago, it took me 18 months to have the charges dismissed and get back my guns, it's a well known fact in NY, that cops loved to get the weapons of licensed carry holders. Not so much in the Boroughs, but at PP, they had all kinds of stupid posters, Pistol busters", on the walls. Don't know if it's still the same, but t was in the 80's and 90's

rdhood
December 19, 2007, 08:16 AM
in spite of that, why on earth would anyone wait three years to only address this on a public forum? Wouldn't it make more sense to have sought advice\sympathy\empathy 3 years ago? why drag it up now?

It took over 6 months for my friend to clear up a clerical mistake with NICS. In case you hadn't realized it, anything to do with government, guns and the law moves at glacial speed.

Double Naught Spy
December 19, 2007, 09:24 AM
If this happened to me, I'd simply have to go take them back personally

Those sound like big scary words, and also like committing one or more felonies along the way.

brighamr
December 19, 2007, 02:03 PM
It took over 6 months for my friend to clear up a clerical mistake with NICS. In case you hadn't realized it, anything to do with government, guns and the law moves at glacial speed.


I lived in CA and got a CCW, trust me I know exactly how slow .gov works. My point being, if someone is dealing with a huge problem (aka stolen guns) why would they wait three years, then come out publicly without having solved the problem? I mean if he came out and said "I got my guns back" i could understand the 3 years of silence and I could understand him wanting to tell other people. BUT saying "I have this problem. E-mail me if you want more info".... doesn't serve a purpose, and that could have been done three years ago....

rpetersen
December 22, 2007, 02:38 PM
I will attempt to resond to as many of your requests now and in the future.

I did go public immediately after the incident. I do not have a computer or easy access to the internet and I found this site by accident. When I noticed the posting of Dickman's story I felt this would be a good place to go public on the web.

There are a number of police reports and court filings which document the "removal" of the guns and property from the residence. Those documents do not lend credibility to the parties involved.

The reports prepared by Detective Vermilye stated that my landlord Rick Brent approached him and asked Vermilye to be his witness when he entered the residence. Vermilye claimed that Brent's request qualified his involvement as an "official police capacity" and therefore allowed him to remove the guns. I have been informed by LPD Captain Bob Klinger that the police do not provide "witness services" and such a request would be denied. Brent has changed his story several times and is now claiming that the
police "influenced" him and that he and I had a good relationship until the police got involved.

In his statements to Loveland Police Officer Steve Friedle, Brent claimed that he was in the residence the entire time others were inside and nobody took anything belonging to me. When it was revealed that Brent's sister and brother-in-law were in possession of property I had reported as stolen Brent was asked to explain. After two months of assistance by his attorney Brent delivered a written statement to Officer Friedle in which he explained that I used to live in the residence now occupied by his sister. Brent claimed that I had been evicted from the residence and abandoned the property. His sister moved in and found it. I had never lived there. Brent and his attorney knew his statement was false. Brent contacted Detective Vermilye and told him that his statement to Friedle was false.

In court papers filed by Brent's attorney, Jack Weatherill, Brent stated that he did not see any guns in the residence when he was there with Vermilye.

The Loveland Police refused to allow me to file any reports related to the theft of gums and other property and instituted a policy of only allowing the Police Chief Luke Hecker to speak with me. If Hecker was not present I would be allowed to speak with the highest ranking officer. The responses from Hecker and the others was always to refuse to talk and tell me, under threat of arrest for trespassing to leave the station.

I contacted the FBI to report the LPD's refusal to allow me to file criminal complaints. A short time later LPD Captain Bob Klinger agreed to allow me to file a gun theft report, under the condition that I did not implicated the police. I did not agree with the conditions and gave Klinger the information about the circumstances of the case. Klinger was outraged that I had involved the police and denied that I had owned the guns or that they ever existed. With the aid of the ATF I was able to provide Klinger with serial numbers and proof of ownership.

I secured a copy of Klinger's report. That report stated that the guns were stolen from the residence the day before Vermilye and Brent entered. Brent denied having a key to the residence. There was no evidence of forced entry and the police had no suspects therefore they were unable to investigate.

I thought that police did an investigation to identify suspects.

Did I mention that Rick Brent is a member of the Loveland Parks Commission?

Funny thing about the police reports. When they were originally created they listed a name that was not mine, a physical discription of another person and that person's driver's license and social security numbers. It appears the police did not know who's property they had taked or who they were talking to. Three years later many ot the errors go unchanged.

An internal review done by Lt. Rob McDaniel stated the the other person and I were one and the same. If he had picked up the phone and made a couple of calls or actually visited the addresses listed he would have know that we are two real and different people.

I contacted Chief Hecker and informed him that I wanted to file criminal complaints against Brent, Weatherill, Vermilye and others involved for theft, conspiracy, false reporting, etc. Hecker refused, so I went directly to Da Larry Abrahamson. I provided a list of individuals and offenses which were reviewed by Mitchell Murry. Murry informed me that all of my allegations were without merit and would not be investigated. He stated that there had not been any false reporting.

So let me see. The guns were in the residence and seen by Brent and Vermilye. Nobody took anything belong to me. Brent did not see any guns. Brent's sister moved into a residence I had never occupied and found my property there. Did I mention that Rick Brent owns the property and his sister moved in 4 years before the guns went missing? The guns were stolen the day before Brent and Vermilye entered the residence. Brent did not have a key.

I filed a Freedom of Information Request with the District Attorney's office in February 2006. After several months without a response I phoned the DA and learned they had received the request. The return receipt for the certified maiing also confirmed the receipt by the DA. One of the files requested had been accidentally purged and they were attempting to recreate it. Another file had been given to an investigator.

A month or so later I phoned the Da again and was informed that they knew nothing of my request. I visited the office in person and met with DA Inveatigator Doug Rice. Rice denied any knowledge of my request and informed me that I would have to bring him a copy of the request which he would compare to documents his office had recieved and attempt to match the two.

I phoned Abrahamson and told him that I would be in his office the next day and I expected to speak with a competent individual. (I may have used a term like "has his head up his ass") The next day I met DA Investigator Elliot Phelps. Phelps informed me that my filing Freedom of Information Request amounted to "Obstruction of Government Operations" and that he would personally arrest me for wasting the DA's time.

As of this date the DA has failed to fufill my request.

Did I mention that I had been recording all of these conversations?

brerrabbit
December 22, 2007, 03:08 PM
+1 on the recording.

Get the most twisted shyster that you can afford and start dragging officials into court. I hope you also have copies of all your correspondance.

I phoned Abrahamson and told him that I would be in his office the next day and I expected to speak with a competent individual. (I may have used a term like "has his head up his ass") I met DA Investigator Elliot Phelps. Phelps informed me that my filing Freedom of Information Request amounted to "Obstruction of Government Operations" and that he would personally arrest me for wasting the DA's time.


If he arrested you for it this would be a good one for him to explain in civil court.

bl4ckd0g
December 22, 2007, 07:57 PM
This isn't going to have a happy ending unless you seriously acquire legal counsel.

jaholder1971
December 23, 2007, 12:37 PM
Something smells here.

All this time you've tried to go head to head with City Hall and I've yet to see where an attorney was ever hired or even a request to the Colorado Bureau of Investigation for assistance?

CrawdaddyJim
December 23, 2007, 01:03 PM
I did go public immediately after the incident. I do not have a computer or easy access to the internet and I found this site by accident. When I noticed the posting of Dickman's story I felt this would be a good place to go public on the web.

The mark of a Troll.

vim
December 23, 2007, 01:26 PM
If this is not a troll . . .

A real attorney. Now.

You've tried it your way for several years, and it's gotten you NOWHERE.

Stop doing Internet and library research, and go get a lawyer.

Sage of Seattle
December 23, 2007, 02:58 PM
The mark of a Troll.

Thanks for the info, crawdaddyjim. Are there any other signs I need to look out for? I always had a different definition of troll, so I'm just seeking clarification.

Ditto_95
December 23, 2007, 04:05 PM
I had some pistols taken when I tried to trade in several on a more expensive piece. A P38 I purchased at a flea market had been stolen in Boston in 1971.
I was born in NY in 61. I guess I rode my bicicle up there and stole them. The Sheriff came up with all sorts of excuses not to give me back my other guns. Forgot the key to the storage area, storage area guy called in sick etc.
I finally called the Shefiff and said I was coming to pick them up at 12:00 and if I didn't get them by12:30 I was calling the AG. This was in Ladson SC.
I got my guns back but grudgingly.
One of the deputies tried to offer me $200 for my S&W 629. I figured that was the reason I had so much trouble getting them back. They wanted them for themselves.

Orthonym
December 24, 2007, 01:58 AM
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rpetersen
December 24, 2007, 12:18 PM
I have contacted the FBI and the Colorado Attorney General and I will post more about that in the near future.

Since 1991 I have been documenting law enforcement and judicial "misconduct" in Larimer County. Over that time period I have recorded more that 200 hours of conversations with everyone from private investigators to two Colorado Supreme Court Justices. They all said things to me they now wish they had not said.

Before I begin to post details of those contacts I suggest that you call the following individuals to get their side of the story. It is only fair.

(My ex-land lord complained to Pamela Dickman that he and I had a good relationship until the Loveland Police got involved.)

Loveland Police Chief Luke Hecker, 970 962 2212. Ask him why he personally refuses to discuss the contents of police reports and refuses to allow me to file additional reports. Ask him about the three documented schemes to have me arrested for going public about the serious crime of gun theft.

Loveland City Manager Don Williams, 970 962 2303. Ask Mr. Williams why he refused to act upon the information which revealed that Detective Vermilye and Rick Brent had falsified information and why Williams threatened to have me arrested.

Loveland Reporter-Herald eported Pamela Dickman, 970 669 5050 or 800 216 0680. Ask her why she cannot report on the information she and Mr. Williams have and why her editor and general mamager Bob Rummel threatened to have me arrested.

Larimer County District Attorney Larry Abrahamson, 970 498 7200. Ask Mr. Abrahamson about his refusal to investigate the crimes I reported. Ask him about the statements made to me by DA investigator John Davis in which he informed me that evidence was the personal property of the people who collect it and they are therefore free to alter it before reselling it. Ask Terry Gilmore about his letters to me supporting Davis' statements. You will have to call the Colorado 8th District Court to speak to him as he is a Colorado District Court Judge. His number is 970 498 6100.

Jack R. Weatherill, 970 667 3126. Ask Mr. Weatherill why he assisted his client Rick Brent in preparing numerous false statements which he knew would be made part of police and court records.

Thank you for wanting to know the truth.

TallPine
December 24, 2007, 12:23 PM
rpetersen, I believe your story because I have heard the same story before (completely different circumstances but the same basic plot).

Be careful that you don't end up in "Pueblo" over this ... :uhoh:

thexrayboy
December 24, 2007, 07:35 PM
I grew up in Loveland, graduated from HS there ( many many years ago).
Most of my family still lives there. I asked around a bit about this particular incident. My youngest brother replied that while he was not aware of this particular incident he was not at all surprised. He went to HS with a number of people now on the Loveland PD and his estimation of their morals would put them in the same league as Hitlers Brownshirts.

His description of the situation shows a dichotomy between agencies. Many of the local agencies such as the city PD's are closet ( and sometimes not so closet) anti 2A. The sheriffs tend to be pro 2A. He reports a lot of problems with various agencies "interpreting" state law in the fashion that supports the agenda du jour for the agency involved.

He likened many LEO in the area to the movie "Judge Dredd". They act like judge jury and executioner and the law means what they want it to mean.

My brothers estimation of the underlying cause is the increasing number of
socialist blissninny's that migrate to Colorado from other socialist strongholds and collect in certain cities ( does Boulder ring any bells?). Once they acquire political clout at small town levels they embark upon campaigns to remake Colorado into the image of Mecca, ( Berkeley and the gaybay).

Here in Nevada we call it Kalifornication, but whatever term it goes by it results in loss of freedom and rampant socialism.

rpetersen
December 31, 2007, 12:06 PM
I am requesting that no one post statements suggesting that all police or law enforcement officers are corrupt. This is not the case and it is inappropriate to make broad allegations against an entire group of people based upon their occupation.

If you have specific and supportable allegations of any type of unlawful activities by anyone you are justified in speaking out.

Almost everyone has worked for a boss who has pressured them to do things in the line of their work which they were uncomfortable doing and would not otherwise have done. The pressure faced by individuals in certain occupations is often quite high. Law enforcement is one such occupation and you often have to look beyond the acts of one individual officer in order to identify who actually benefits from that officer's actions.

Thexrayboy made the point that his son was familiar with a number of Loveland Police Officers and it was his estimation that they behaved like "Hitler's Brownshirts". After World War II an effort was made to understand how large numbers of ordinary Germans could have participated in Hitler's bloody regime. Two landmark studies were done by researchers Stanley Milgram and Solomon Asch to learn what may have caused these people to act as they did. Milgram's study was on obedience to authority and Asch's study was on group conformity. Reviews of these studies are avalable on the internet and I suggest that you read them before labeling individuals based upon their "corporate behavior". People often act differently when they are in a group than they do as individuals.

I have several documents to post and I would like to place true copies of them on this site, however I have not been successful in transfering them. I have scanned the documeents and stored them as tif files but I am unable to copy or paste them to this reply section. I would greatly appreciate any assistance by way of instructions on how to accomplish this. Please be detailed and specific as I am not fully computer literate.

I will list each document with a brief review of its content.

- November 5, 2004 memo from Lt. Rob McDaniel to LPD Chief Tom Wagoner about McDaniel's review of the LPD records system and the accuracy of their records and the use of several names on reports given to me.

- May 5, 2005 memo from Tom Vermilye to "Police Department" and the Assistant City Attorney Karen Stevens about his efforts to have me arrested on Criminal Libel charges for handing out fliers which alleged that Vermilye and Brent were involved in the theft of my guns.

- May 12, 2005 LPD Report which stated that Captain Luke Hecker handled my attempt to file reports about Vermilye's and Brent's false statements.

- May 18, 2005 memo from LPD Officer Frank Ryan to "Police Department" and City Manager Don Williams and City Attorney John Duval about serving me with three trespass notices.

- May 18, 2005 memo from LPD Officer Ray Miller to Luke Hecker, Bob Klinger and other LPD Officers in which Miller asks John Duval to add the Police Department to his list of trespass notices.

- July 12, 2005 LPD Report which stated that the police are not talking to me about their reports and I would be arrested for trespassing if I did not leave. I had gone there to file complaints about Vermilye's and Brent's false statemets.

- July 26, 2005 supplemental LPD Report by Officer Steve Friedle in which he reported that he had been notified by Rick Brent that his December 23, 2004 written statement to Friedle was false. I had never lived ay the residence now occupied by his sister.

Four guns and sixty boxes of ammunition are unaccounted for. This is a serious crime and it is never to late to solve it.

Who benefits from this?

jaholder1971
December 31, 2007, 12:21 PM
Respectfully, rpetersen sounds like either a Moonbat or a Troll.

He's been "going after" Loveland PD corruption for nearly 17 years and when "The Empire strikes back" it takes him several years to file a suit. I'm still waiting to hear when an attorney's even been involved at all.

rpetersen: You may be the real deal here, but I'm afraid you should have employed an attorney and gotten the courts involved a long time ago.

Finch
January 1, 2008, 01:29 AM
I would think that the NRA would eat stuff this kind of stuff up. How about here- http://www.nradefensefund.org/

veloce851
January 1, 2008, 03:07 PM
Mr. Peterson,

There is allot of missing information here, and the herald's website has no information about this case.

It would be vital to those interested in determining if this is a legitimate situation facing a fellow gun owner.

If you could answer the following questions it would help.:

What was the reason for entering your residence in the first place?
Your assumption of why, as well as their statement as to why.

Have you ever sought legal counsel?

What does your statement about pursuing corruption since 1991 have to do with this case? Where you stirring up trouble and you feel the confiscation of your property was in retaliation for said investigations?

Without divulging any private information that you would feel uncomfortable with, do you have any prior charges or convictions that would influence this case?

As to your question of "What is a troll?"
Simply put it is a person who engages in antagonizing for the pure sport of it. One who says controversial things on an internet forum in order to get a rise out of others, for a more detailed explanation here is the wiki entry on it.
Troll (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forum_troll)

In other words the person who accused you of being one, or suspected you to be one, thinks your story is BS and your posts are simply an elaborate way to get a rise out of the members of this community.
Don't take it personal if you are not one, and are simply a person with a complicated situation and obviously somewhat internet illiterate.

However with all due respect, until you can answer some of the aforementioned questions, I think most here will take your story with a grain of salt.

rpetersen
January 3, 2008, 11:54 AM
At this point nobody is able to say why the police were in the residence.

The simplest explanation through the evidence is almost always the truth. If the Loveland Police were in the residence for a legitimate reason and had a lawful reason to take my guns then Lovleand City Attorney John Duval would have stated that in Dickman's article. If Rick Brent had a legitimate reason to take possession of my property he would not have lied to LPD Officer Steve Friedle.

I have contacted a number of attorneys and I am simply not able to pay the high retainer or hourly fees they demand. I find it interesting that nobody, after seeing my evidence, has denied that a serious crime has been committed, yet they are unwilling to represent me without money up front.

It could be that as attorneys who are familiar with the legal system in Larimer County they best understand the hurdles they face.

To answer your question about stirring things up. It is every citizen's obligation to speak truth to authority. By doing so does not give that authority license to deprive that citizen of his lawful rights and of his property.

The evidence I have accumulated over the years was reviewed by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation and determined to be a record of criminal activity. If the police, district attorneys and judges feel I have "stirred things up" by documenting their unlawful activities they are the ones with the moral deficit.

I have never been convicted of a crime or traffic offense.

billwiese
January 3, 2008, 01:54 PM
I have contacted a number of attorneys and I am simply not able to pay the high retainer or hourly fees they demand.

So what have you done wrong in your life to not be able to afford a lawyer?

I find it interesting that nobody, after seeing my evidence, has denied that a serious crime has been committed, yet they are unwilling to represent me without money up front.

Um, competent lawyers have enough business from clients (individuals or organizations) that pay up front that they don't have to take contingency business. They're professionals, not social welfare agencies. (In fact, I'd be worried about a lawyer that *would* take your case on contingency!)

[Typical midnight TV ad car accident/injury lawyers are a different breed and their contingency biz is predicated on early expeditious 'blowoff' payouts by insurance cos without going thru court, along with receiving a few large payouts periodically.]

Going after gov't bureucracy takes time/staff/money - and they can work on the taxpayer dollar; the resources are unbalanced.

Also, they may not have felt you were a very appealing client for any of a variety of reasons, not just guns - there appears to remain much unwritten about your story which might well be adding 'color' to the case.

You may have better results suing your apt manager since he's (forgot the details) apparently the one letting the cops in without a warrant or exigent circumstances.



Bill Wiese
San Jose CA

cyclist
January 3, 2008, 02:56 PM
So what have you done wrong in your life to not be able to afford a lawyer?

Not to take sides here, buy why does someone have to have done something wrong if they can't afford an attorney? I've done nothing wrong except not saving enough during my lifetime due to a wide variety of factors that life has thrown at me and I couldn't really afford an attorney, at least not easily nor without a loan.

Some people have just led lives that haven't put a lot of cash into their reserves. Others have had things happen to exhaust their reserves which were functionally beyond their control to prevent happening. The assumption of wrong-doing doesn't feel right, or to put it in site specific terms it doesn't sound too high road in assumptions.

No flame, just an observation. Not everyone can afford an attorney. As to the party this thread is about, I have no knowledge of his background or situation beyond what I've read here, but I agree that there appears to possibly be more to the story.

I'll side-step out of this horse pasture now before I put my foot into something.

rpetersen
January 4, 2008, 12:14 PM
I have true copies of documents to post and I have tried all of the suggested methods to post them. However each time I paste or copy to the reply section of this site it goes "off line" and I have to log back in without the documents being posted.

I appreciate some peoples concern about this story. The truth is contained in the documents and I would appreciate any assistance in getting them posted.

With regard to the reason for the police entering the residence and to once again clarify the events as documented in police reports. Detective Tom Vermilye reported that Rick Brent had approached him and requested that Vermily act as his witness while Brent was in the residence because Brent did not want to be accused of doing anthing wrong while he was inside.

At that time I owned three rifles and five pistols. The police are able to account for only two rifles and two pistols. In addition 60 boxes of ammunition are missing.

Detective Vermilye and Rick Brent have both been caught making false statements in police reports. Brent is now complaining that he and I had a good relationship until the police got involved.

Rather than investigate the crime Vermilye and others have spent their time and resources hatching schemes to have me arrested for pursuing this issue.

If any of you have issues about my character I invite you to post your evidence.

halfgone
January 4, 2008, 04:04 PM
.tif's are (usually) huge files. I bet the system won't allow it. If somone would take the files (with the right software) they may be able to change it into a .pdf or .jpg and that should post just fine.

jeepmor
January 4, 2008, 04:12 PM
Not enough information to make a good conclusion. However, as stated, looks like the landlord and cops have some explaining to do.

veloce851
January 4, 2008, 08:44 PM
To answer your question about stirring things up. It is every citizen's obligation to speak truth to authority. By doing so does not give that authority license to deprive that citizen of his lawful rights and of his property.
I concur wholeheartedly.

The evidence I have accumulated over the years was reviewed by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation and determined to be a record of criminal activity.
Has the CBI begun a case to investigate your findings? Or did they simply agree with you and then ignore the findings?

I have true copies of documents to post and I have tried all of the suggested methods to post them.
P.M. me I'd be happy to convert them to a smaller file size like .jpg for you and post them to the group.

With regard to the reason for the police entering the residence and to once again clarify the events as documented in police reports. Detective Tom Vermilye reported that Rick Brent had approached him and requested that Vermily act as his witness while Brent was in the residence because Brent did not want to be accused of doing anthing wrong while he was inside.
I think the reason the Det. was there is sufficiently established. Has Brent stated any reason as to why he chose to enter the apartment?
I know a landlord has the right to enter his property, typically with prior notification to the renter, but there is usually a specific reason.
Such as a specific 3rd party complaint, maintenance / repairs, or regular scheduled observations of condition.
Or, to the best of your knowledge did he just decide he wanted to enter your residence without giving you notice. Which in many areas is illegal even though he owns the property, such an entrance would require prior notice to you the renter. But I'm not familiar with CO specific laws.

f any of you have issues about my character I invite you to post your evidence.
At this point nothing specific, I think it was important to ask. Since prior actions can come to bear on such a situation regardless of their viability as legal evidence.

littlegator
January 4, 2008, 10:27 PM
Don't answer the questions on here Mr. Petersen. I'm not your lawyer, but I'm darn sure your lawyer would be pissing in his briefs (pun intended) right now if he knew you were givin the goods over on the net.

(Edit) - oh, I see you don't have a lawyer...

CrawdaddyJim
January 4, 2008, 11:58 PM
Mr. Petersen it may have already been suggested to you but I will say. If you can put together enough money to join the NRA. They may be able to suggest a plan of action for you to get relief and justice. Barring that I do not see a positive outcome for you in this matter. Even though you have been harmed financially and emotionally by these events. Not knowing your circumstances as to ability to work for wages etc... I would suggest a second job to earn enough money to pay up front for a lawyer or to replace the firearms lost. This will most likely be your quickest route to a completion of this matter.

Although I think from your OP that at this point you are past the point of reasonable council on this matter.

I sincerely wish for you to regain your property and that justice be served in your favor.

veloce851
January 5, 2008, 05:44 PM
Um, I'd rather drive (unarmed) into a really bad part of South Tucson at night before I'd open any file (attachment) sent in this matter.
(KnowWhatI'mSaying?)
That's what spare systems lying around are for. I have no fear of any viral file, just as I have no fear of carrying in condition 1. It has everything to do with prior preparation and education.

That said just because an individual can buy a scanner hook it up and scan pages doesn't mean they have any idea how to convert a .tiff to .jpg... even though it's pretty simple and yes with a little reading anyone could perform the action.

I seriously doubt rpeterson and his story is one elaborate concoction just to get one person on the board to accept a viral file in the form of an attached .tiff image.


As for the man's problems, I agree he may not have handled it to the best of someone else's high standards of legalese. And there is allot of information that seems to be lacking here.
But I'm kind of surprised as to all the negative reactions to the mans plight and plea for knowledge.

That said, I have to second the recommendation to contact the NRA and see what kind of legal help they can provide.

At some point you are going to have to weigh the financial losses to the legal costs. Regardless of the injustice.

And if anything this should be a major lesson to us all. Spotlighting the importance of securing our possessions in our homes, as renters or bank borrowers.

thexrayboy
January 5, 2008, 08:43 PM
The veracity of the claims made by the OP are of course subject to personal belief. However I find his story, while not provable to be at least plausible.
We have all read and seen media reports in enough volume from enough locales to show that LEO in many instances act as if they have no accountability.

The reason they act this way is in part due to the monetarily driven nature of the American legal system ( which in reality has nothing to do with justice).
LEO, petty beaurocrats and other governmental leeches know that they have essentially infinite resources. They know that anyone they choose to target for "special attention" would have a minimal at best chance at being able to
match their monetary resources in a protracted court battle. They count on this fact, they use it to bully people into giving up their rights and copping pleas to lesser charges all the time.

This scenario will never change and indeed will likely grow worse as time passes. Unless and until civil servants like LEO, councilman, judges etc are held civilly financially liable for their willfull acts that violate citizens rights without benefit of taxpayer dollars to bail them out I see no changes to the current modus operandi.

CNYCacher
January 5, 2008, 11:16 PM
Lot of people seem to be confused on the timeline here:
May 2004: This incident happened.
October 2005: Lawsuit article is posted on THR and this thread is born, thread dies within the month.
December 2007: rpetersen brings the thread back to life, I am guessing after googling his own name and finding THR for the first time.

rpetersen
January 10, 2008, 01:13 PM
First to answer the question about Rick Brent's reason to enter the residence. He wanted to check the condition of the property.

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These documents were converted from image files to text files using OCR software. When I posted them here their format was changed and any handwritten notations did not transfer.

Lt Rob McDaniel's memo to Chief Wagoner concerning the accuracy of information in their reports. The concern was the names and identity information listed on the reports.


Memorandum
To: Chief Tom Wagoner
From: Lieutenant Rob McDaniel
Date: November 5, 2004
Re: Richard Petersen, concern review 04-40
I have addressed Mr. Petersen via the email that was sent today, in which I told him that I do not have any other action to take that could assist him regarding the April 15, 2004 incident. I also reviewed the Info Center listing on Mr. Petersen to look at the two names listed to see if they were the same person. Mr. Petersen had previously stated that he felt that we had given him the offense report of a case that was for a victim named Richard Earl Peterson. The former person, I believe, is Richard Neil Petersen. In Info Center there were two different dates of birth as well.
I met with Dee Ann Beaman from Records to confirm what we have for accurate records. She and I felt that both of these data entries were probably on the same person. That is why that the records had been merged into the same data listing. I checked CCIC for driver's license information. I discovered that both names had dates of birth listed the same, 11/08/53.
Richard Petersen was given copies of offense reports 04-3071 and 04-3415 on October 12,2004 through the regular records release process. Each case had been listed to different names, but both with the same date of birth.

I think that we acted properly in the records release and in meeting Mr. Petersen's requests. I would like you to note this and return this to the original complaint file. Thank you.
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Tom Vermilye's memo to "Police Department" and his effort to have me arrested for "going public" with information about the missing guns and the false reports related to the theft.


Kim Pals
From: Tom Vermilye
Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 3:16 PM
To: Police Department
Cc: Karen Stevens
Subject: Richard Petersen "Notices"
Recently several people have contacted me regarding the "Notice" that Richard Petersen has been distributing throughout our fair city. The Notice makes references to the Chief retiring and Rick Brent and I being involved in alleged illegal activity.
Joe Berdin is in the process of compiling information about the situation and once complete, he plans to present a Criminal Libel case to the DA's office.
I have included information from Gary Patzer in my written statement; however, I know there are more of you who have heard of or actually received these notices. Would you please forward your information to Joe Berdin as to where you found the notices or what area of the city they were being distributed. Word has it that Petersen made 1000 copies.
Thanks and if you have any questions, you know where to find me.
Tom Vermilye
Ext. 2253

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Police Incident Report handled by LPD Captain Hecker. His response was to tell me he would not talk with me about their reports or allow me to file additional reports.

01 Police Agency Incident Report
Date_Time Performed By Comment Type Comment
05/12/2005 0848:53 JG Response HANDLED BY CAPT HECKER
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*TimeStamp Description Time Performed By

Audit...
Date_Time Reason Request Comment Disposition Requested By Performed By
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Handled by Officer 05/12/2005 084925 Gordon, Jodi
V31
Date: 1/26/2007 Time: 10:24:03 Operator: J MG Program: Edittvlzr.exe Incident Number: 2005-00023170

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Memo from LPD Officer Frank Ryan to "Police Department" about serving me with Trespass Notices.


Kim Pals
From: Frank Ryan
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 20052:27 PM
To: Police Department
Cc: Don Williams; John Duval
SUbject: Richard Petersen Trespass Notices--Case 05-4648
Today Richard Petersen, 110853, was served three trespass notices under this case number. The locations covered are:
1. Reporter Herald, 201 E. 5th St.
2. Law Offices of Jack Weatherill, 1351 N. Lincoln
3. City of Loveland buildings (both bulldinqs), 500 E. 3rd
In conjunction with the City of Loveland trespass notice, a letter from Don Williams was given to Petersen in which he was notified he was not allowed at 500 E 3rd without prior written approval from the City Attorney. Petersen was also advised that, if he violated this notification, he would be charged with Unlawful Conduct On Public Property, CRS 18-9-117.
At this time the Police & Courts Building is not included as "off limits". Copies of all notices and Den's letter are in Dispatch.
Mr. Petersen refused to sign any of the Notices but was, in fact, served and the consequences of violation were explained to him. Needless to say, he disagrees with the actions taken by the PD and City.
If Mr. Petersen violates any of these notices, please take enforcement action.
01/26/2007

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Memo from LPD Officer Ray Miller to Luke Hecker and others suggesting that the City Attorney consider adding the Police Department to his list of no trespass locations.


Kim Pals
From: Ray Miller
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 7:40 AM
To: Luke Hecker; Bob Klinger; Tim Brown; Leslie Young; John Manago; Rob McDaniel
Subject: RE: Petersen
Luke,
I would maybe just ask John if he could add the Police Dept. address to his letter also.
Ray Miller
Information Services Division Loveland Police Department 81 O~. 10th St.
Loveland, CO 80537 (970)962-2213 miller2@ci.loveland.co.us
From: Luke Hecker
sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 13:52
To: Ray Miller; Bob Klinger; Tim Brown; Leslie Young; John Manago; Rob McDaniel Subject: FW: Petersen
FYI.

From: John Duval
sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 10:58 To: 'riedelce@co.larimer.co.us'
Cc: Don Williams; Karen Stevens; Luke Hecker Subject: FW: Petersen
Cliff,
This morning I left you a voicemail about the problems we are having with a citizen named Richard Petersen coming to the City's offices. Attached is the letter I explained in my voicemail that I would like to provide to Mr. Petersen giving him notice that he cannot enter the City's two buildings at 500 East Third Street without making prior arrangements through the City Attorney's Office. I would like to send him this letter on the assumption that it would form the basis to charge and arrest Mr. Petersen for "unlawful conduct on public property" under CRS Section 18-9-117 if he enters one of the City's buildings without getting the prior permission required in the letter. But, before I sent Mr. Petersen this letter, I wanted to run this by you to see if you think this would even be a prosecutable offense through you office? Thanks for your help on this.
John Duval
962-2541
01/26/2007

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LPD Report detailing the handling of my attempt to file complaints about the numerous false statements made by Vermilye and Brent.

01 Police Agency Incident Report
Comments ...
Date_Time Performed By Comment Type Comment
07/12/2005 14:46:37 Automatic by System Response (Premise] pd - guard station number is 679-4480
07/12/2005 14:47: 19 MS Response COMPL IS IN THE LOBBY WITH NUMEROUS REPORTS IN HAND CLAIMING INCONSISTENCIES
07/12/2005 14:50:07 KL Response a41 has some paper work to serve on him
07/12/2005 14:50 11 KL Response v16 paged
07/12/2005 14:52:35 KL Response will serve it when the capt has been contacted
07/12/2005 14:52:35 KL Response per v16 send a sgt out
07/12/2005 14:54:18 KL Response need to tell him we are not talking with him about our reports and if he wants to sue us go a head. and if he doesn't leave we will
arrest him for trespassing
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Date Time Alarm Number Performed By
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Handled by Officer 07/12/2005 15:26:06 Lindschrnidt, Kalie
A41
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Date: 1/26/2007 Time: 10:24:47 Operator: JMG Program: EditMgr.exe Incident Number: 2005-00036386 Page: 3

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LPD Officer Steve Friedle's report about Brent's confirmation that his written statement to Friedle was false. In that statement, which Brent claimed was prepared with the assistance of his attorney, explained how his sister and brother-in-law gained possession of property I had reported as stolen.

Activity Number: Loveland Police Department
OR 2004-008880/2
On Tuesday, 072605, an e-mail was sent to me by RICHARD PETERSEN stating that information in my report I had completed at an earlier time was not correct. PETERSEN stated he has never lived at 222 Acacia Drive as recorded in my supplemental report dated 011705. PETERSEN also stated that the location that I mention in my report of Nickel and Boise is incorrect and the actual location of where the storage unit was 11 th Street and Boise.
PETERSEN also stated the list of items in my original report is incomplete and does not list all of the stolen property or its total value. In my original report dated 110804, PETERSEN gave me a list of items that he believed were missing. PETERSEN told me there were still several boxes left in the storage shed that he had not gone through.
I told PETERSEN I would be listing the items he had placed an asterisk by as being confirmed as stolen. He told me that would be fine and he would get back with me regarding the other items. Therefore, the items that are listed in my original report would not match that of the list that PETERSEN gave to me. As such, there is no need in including those items in the report since his list is attached with the case file as being an all inclusive list. Furthermore, this case was reviewed with the Larimer County District Attorney's Office Deputy District Attorney Renee Doak and she declined to file this case as a criminal case. She said it was civil in nature.
In regards to the supplemental report that stated PETERSEN lived at 222 Acacia Drive, this information came from a written statement that was given to me by RICK BRENT. In RICK BRENT'S statement on the second line it stated "MR PETERSEN lived in our rental property located at 222 Acacia Drive, Loveland, Colorado."
On Monday, 072505, I left a voice mail message on BRENT'S cell phone and home phone asking him to call me regarding the e-mail that PETERSEN had sent to me. When I returned to work on Saturday, 073005, I had a voice mail from BRENT, who stated PETERSEN did not ever live at 222 Acacia Drive. This is in conflict with the written statement that BRENT had given to me on 122304. Furthermore, any discrepancies that PETERSEN or BRENT may have with my reports would be solely based on the information that they gave to me, which I used as a basis to complete my reports.
On Saturday, 073005, I sent an e-mail to PETERSEN explaining to him that I did an additional supplemental report to address the issues he had with my report.
END OF NARRATIVE/jj
5/16/20072:47 PM

jaholder1971
January 10, 2008, 08:45 PM
You need a lawyer, not a cheering section.

It appears you've successfully gotten yourself labeled as a nutjob by the cops and the city and now they're now in shutdown mode with you. Your going it alone has in all likelihood damaged your claim beyond all hope.

Drop the accusations, gather your paperwork and see an attorney.

veloce851
January 11, 2008, 01:13 PM
You need a lawyer, not a cheering section.

It appears you've successfully gotten yourself labeled as a nutjob by the cops and the city and now they're now in shutdown mode with you. Your going it alone has in all likelihood damaged your claim beyond all hope.

Drop the accusations, gather your paperwork and see an attorney.

I concur.
Either seek legal counsel, or chalk up the loss as a hard lesson learned.
And make sure your experience goes to further the knowledge and understanding of such probable circumstances to other owners.

Sad as this advice may sound, I'd consider moving out of that city and county as well.
Start a website documenting your claims as a warning to others.

I empathize with your loss.

rpetersen
January 14, 2008, 12:52 PM
I am going to refer to the Milgram and Asch studies and the materials previously posted here.

What lesson should I chalk up to experience and why should I move to another city in another county? Who would benefit from this?

If you have any concerns about my character please post your evidence here.

What is a nutjob? Where and when did the Loveland Police give me that label? What was their justification for doing so?

I am not interested in cheerleaders or sympathy. I came across the posting of the October 2005 Reporter-Herald story and offered addition information to explain my refusal of the city’s money offer and my decision to file a lawsuit. Simply put the Loveland Police could not account for all of my guns and ammunition and could not give me an itemized list of the property they had in their possession. The police could not provide an adequate explanation for being in the residence and taking the property. The police and Rick Brent were caught making numerous false statements in police reports.

The evidence shows that it was the police who approached Brent. Brent was apparently coached to make his false statements and assured there would be no consequences for doing so. Loveland City Manager Don Williams and City Attorney John Duval knew Brent was lying and instead of holding him accountable they threatened to have me arrested for exposing Brent’s unlawful acts.

The Reporter-Herald Newspaper knew Brent and the police were lying and that Williams and Duval had evidence of that unlawful activity. Instead of investigating and publishing the facts the newspaper’s Editor and General Manager, Bob Rummel, threatened to have me arrested.

When I first went to the Reporter-Herald in late February 2005 I met Christine Kapperman the newspaper’s Managing Editor and Pamela Dickman’s boss. At the end of our meeting Kapperman asked me if the police knew were I lived and I told her I was sure they did. She advised me to be careful because the Loveland Police liked to retaliate. I met with Pamela Dickman for the first time on March 3, 2005. I made audio recordings of both of those meetings.

I have posted copies of a March 2, 2005 email from LPD Captain Bob Klinger and an April 27, 2005 Reporter-Herald column by former Loveland Police Chief tom Wagoner.

Tom Wagoner abruptly announced his resignation on April 12, 2005. He did so because he could not afford another police scandal on his watch. Captain Davison committed suicide as a result of the LPD’s involvement in a prostitution sting in which the police actually ended up as clients of the prostitutes.

There is no better medicine for corruption than exposure to bright light.

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Captain Kilinger's March 2, 2005 email.

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rpetersen405@hotmail.com
Printed: Wednesday, March 2, 2005 9:08 AM
From: Bob Klinger <KlingB@cLloveland.co.us>
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2005 8:42 AM
To: < rpetersen405@hotmail.com>

Mr. Petersen, I am not sure why you insist on this line of thought. But let me try and clear this up for the last time. YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY WEAPONS THAT ARE MISSING FROM OUR EVIDENCE AND PROPERTY ROOM. WE DO NOT HAVE AND NEVER HAD AND NEVER LOCATED ANY WEAPONS ABOVE AND BEYOND THOSE PRESENTLY IN OUR EVIDENCE AND PROPERTY ROOM. ANY WEAPONS BEYOND THOSE LISTED AS REMOVED FROM YOUR RESIDENCE IN MAY OF 2005.

I took a stolen report from you with the understanding that you understood that we do not now and never had these weapons. If are going to continue with the thought process that somehow the Loveland Police Department is responsible for weapons missing from your residence then I cannot see any reason to continue working with you on the alleged theft.

Please ask the gun shops to send receipts or some other proof of purchase so I can know that you actually purchased the weapons in question. Then and only then willi have them entered as stolen. Without such a record, I have no proof that you ever actually owned them.

Again, you need to quit insisting that we have the weapons or that we had them and they are missing from our evidence and property room. WE NEVER HAD THEM IN OUR POSSESSION. PLEASE PROVIDE PROOF THAT YOU EVER OWNED THEM AND I WILL HAVE THEM ENTERED IN CCIC/NCIC AS STOLEN.

Bob Klinger
Captain, Services Division Loveland Police Department

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April 27, 2005 Reporter-Herald Column by Tom Wagoner

It's been a privilege and honor to serve you.

Tom Wagoner Behind the Badge.

"Always leave while they'll still miss you," he said.

The words of my mentor have come to me many times throughout my career as I have contemplated a career change on any number of bad days.

It's probably too late to meet the deadline he told me about, but it is true I'm leaving.

That decision didn't come without a lot of mind wrestling, deep discussion with my wife and prayer. I know that I've been very blessed here, and my life is part of a long ago arranged plan. I don't want to get out of that plan, and so my decision didn't come quickly.

It has been both a privilege and honor to serve as your police chief for the last 16 1/2 years. When I look back, I realize how fast it went. When I was going through some of it, it seemed to crawl. But so it is with time.

I came here a still somewhat naive, 36-year-old when the city had 37,000 residents. My hair is still mostly brown, but the mustache has turned white. I'll turn 53 five days after my last day here, and the city has almost doubled in size, to almost 62,000 people.

There are kids graduating from high school next month who never remember having another police chief.

It's long enough.

I'm filled with thanks, relief and anxiety. This move is a step of faith for us. We're leaving almost 30 years of steady, regular paychecks and good benefits. We're going to a private business that has never supported itself. It has irregular, nonguaranteed income and selfpaid, overpriced health insurance.

Oh, I won't have the late night phone calls to fatal accidents or have to sit across from an officer and terminate them because they didn't honor our values. I won't sit in a stuffy City Council chamber until midnight listening to the presentation on the next new housing development, or have to get up early to speak at a service club at a 6: 30 a.m. breakfast and try to make it interesting. I won't miss the phone calls at home from people wanting legal advice or the calls from reporters wanting a quote for a story.

But in those rote activities, there comes a comfortableness that embraces you and makes you feel both secure and appreciated.

They say that men, in particular, identify themselves by their job. I admit it's kind of nice to walk into a restaurant and be able to greet half a dozen different friends who call you "Tom" or "Chief." It's nice to be introduced at a fundraising dinner, or to tell some jokes as you emcee the next community dinner.

But these things also tire you, and as I described for some fellow chiefs who already knew what I was talking about, for the first several years these activities are exciting. Then they become comfortable. After that they are tiring, and finally they start to be draining.

I'm somewhat past "draining" on a lot of the annual events.

In 1996, after my good friend, Capt. Dave Davison, died, I took a hard look at my life. I was a member of more than 30 organizations, and I was working about 70 hours a week.

One of my other captains and best friends, Ray Miller, told me, "Chief, the difference between us is that you live to work, and I work to live."

Faithful are the wounds of a friend.

So I cut back. I dropped back to about 10 organizations, started saying "no" to some requests and still work from 50-60 hours per week.

Of course, by the time I made the life change, I was already tired, and I never got my energy
level back, despite working just as hard. I'm not complaining. That's expected from this type of job, and I had no business applying for it if I wasn't willing to pay the price.

You have been a blessing to me. Seldom does a day go by that some citizen doesn't drop me acard, call me on the phone or tell me in person that they are praying for me, or that they enjoyed the last column I wrote. That encouragement kept me going.

I was not a good student in high school, though I did well in speech class because of a teacher who believed in me. English was one of my least favorite subjects. I hated diagramming sentences, split infinitives and dangling par¬ticiples. Now stringing words together is therapy for me. And some people honor me by reading them.

I thank Bob Rummel, general manager at the Reporter-Herald, for allowing me to write this col¬umn. Bob was on a citizen committee who helped select me, and from the first month, he has allowed me to offer some meager words each month to try and keep you informed about what we do at the police department. I've written more than 200 columns here.

It has helped us.

Yesterday I went to another funeral of a friend. The familiar verses from Ecclesiastes were read by the pastor, "To everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven."

It's time. It is time to wrap things up here and move on.

I will miss parts of the job, most of the people and all of the blessings. I'll write a couple more times before I go, Lord willing, but please know I realize how fortunate I am to have served as your police chief.

Tom Wagoner is the Loveland police chief. The opinions he expresses in this column are not necessarily those of the city of Loveland, nor of the members of the Loveland Police Department.

jaholder1971
January 24, 2008, 12:29 AM
A nutjob is an individual with mental health issues.

One of the best examples of insanity is performing the same act over and over and over again in hopes that the outcome will be different each time. This is what you've been doing for 3 years now.

Bottom Line: Seek professional help. Whether it is the services of a lawyer or a psychiatrist is up to you.

rpetersen
January 24, 2008, 01:34 PM
When and where did the Loveland Police and City label me as a "nutjob".

It is my understanding that the primary sign of mental illness is a distorted perception of reality.

I suggest that you go back and review the postings here and re-think your perception of the facts. I documents I have presented here were all created by the hands of the Loveland Police and the City of Loveland.

Loveland Police Chief Tom Wagoner resigned immediately after it became clear that Brent and Vermilye were lying about the stolen guns.

Assistant City Attorney Karen Stevens quit shortly after the October 2005 Reporter-Hearld news story about my suit and her gaining an understanding of the facts of the case.

Detective Tom Vermilye is no longer with the Loveland Police.

Any individual who has confronted the issues of law enforcement and judicial misconduct knows that there is a lot of political inertia to over come in their effort to expose it.

When and where did the police and city label me as a "nutjob" and what was their justification for doing so? Who benefits from label? Who is attempting to distort reality?

Cosmoline
January 24, 2008, 01:38 PM
You really should stop posting on here. If you have a claim, by all means bring it in court. You won't find any resolution here. And there are few things that cause more troubles than clients who make a bunch of out of court admissions.

Side issue, but this is another excellent reason to keep your firearms locked away. A rogue cop can barge in and start grabbing stuff, but it's a lot more difficult if he has to explain a locksmiths' bill with no warrant. Also, there may be some fact issues about whether a cop had permission to enter a house. But if he busts through a lock there's not much question about permission. It's also a good reason to keep a record of your firearms, not just for insurance purposes. A digital photo of the firearm with SN and a description of it kept secure is something everyone should do.

Wheeler44
January 24, 2008, 05:07 PM
Good advice twice Cosmoline.

If may add my own; "Any person that acts as their own attorney has a fool for a client and a fool for an attorney". quote from my step-dad, the attorney.

rpetersen
February 1, 2008, 11:27 AM
Dear Senator Salazar,

I would like to thank you for your prompt response to my request for assistance with this matter and I appreciate your confirmation that I have made very serious allegations. Those allegations were all supported by evidence and documents that you forwarded to Colorado Attorney General John Suthers.

As a former Colorado Attorney General you are certainly aware of the procedures of that office and its jurisdiction over such matters.

In March of 2007 I contacted your office to inquire about Mr. Suthers’ response to your request for an investigation and I was informed by your Regional Manager Betsy Markey that you had not requested that the Attorney General respond back to you.

I have made numerous attempts to contact Mr. Suthers about this matter and he does not respond.

Senator Salazar were you honest in your effort to request an investigation? Has the Attorney General initiated an investigation? If he has what is the status of that investigation? Why haven’t I been contacted over the last 12 months?

Senator Salazar are my federally protected rights worth enforcing? Is it not a violation of those rights when police officers, city managers, city attorneys, judges and their close associates take my property without due process and then knowingly lie, conceal criminal activity and threaten me with arrest for attempting to secure my rights as a citizen of the United States?

Thank you for your prompt response to this letter.

Richard Petersen



________________________________________________________________

Senator Ken Salazar's February 27, 2007 letter to me.

February 27,2007

Dear Mr. Peterson:

Thank you for writing me about alleged violations by the Larimer County District Attorney's office and the Loveland Police Department.

These are very serious allegations. Please bear in mind that the rules of the Senate do not allow me to intervene in or influence the outcome of cases that are under the jurisdiction of any court. Moreover, my office cannot intervene in matters under the jurisdiction of local or state governments.

Given the nature of your case, I have sent all the information you forwarded to me to the Colorado Attorney General's office for further investigation. This matter must be fully pursued first at the state level.

If you have any questions, please feel free to contact my Fort Collins office at (970) 224¬2200.
Sincerely,

Ken Salazar
United States Senator

Manwithaplan
April 3, 2008, 04:36 PM
The reason Mr. Peterson can only provide police reports of his choosing may be because any police reports documenting mental illness are not public information. HMMMM? Danger to self or others? Cops taking a person's guns based on safety of the community as a whole? Sounds like corruption to me. Give me a break!

Someone mentioned Peterson "ending up in Pueblo". Are you sure he's never been there? No, because those records are not public information and he's sure not going to share that kind of info. with us.

Troll? You got it!

rpetersen
January 4, 2009, 06:26 AM
It has taken me some time to collect the information I needed for this posting.

The posting by Manwithaplan was almost certainly written by or influenced by Loveland Assistant City Attorney Moses Garcia. He learned about this site a few days earlier. At the same time of Manwithaplan’s posting I received an email identical to the gibberish posted by TallPine on December 24, 2007.

The police reports referred to by Manwithaplan all list the name Richard E. Peterson his physical description, 215 lbs, blue eyes and his driver’s license and SS numbers, home address and phone numbers. None of that information is mine. My name is Richard N. Petersen, 180 lbs, brown eyes.

I tracked down information related to these reports and attempted to contact two individuals who were said to be responsible for it, Kathy Forest and Kass Schreiber. I was not allowed to speak with Schreiber, however Forest agreed to talk. When I arrived I was greeted by Douglas Hirst, Director of Larimer Center for Mental Health. He would not allow me to speak with Forest. When Hirst learned of my reason for wanting to talk with her and the involvement of the Loveland Police he informed me that a part of his official duties was to develop recruiting, screening and training programs for the law enforcement agencies in Larimer County. He told me it was his professional opinion that most of the people working as law enforcement officers in those agencies were “potentially dangerous border line schizophrenics” and cautioned me regarding my complaints about their illegal activities. I recorded that conversation.

Hirst’s comments mirror those of Reporter Herald Managing Editor Christine Kapperman who warned me that the LPD like to retaliate.

The postings by TallPine and the email I received point to that kind of immature or possibly unstable mind.

Court records show that a person with the name Richard Peterson was a patient at a Colorado hospital and Judge David Cole ordered his release, stating in that order that his research showed that nobody had ever been held in such blatant violation of Colorado Law and that Peterson could never again be held on such allegations as were made in that case.

On December 3, 2008 the Loveland City Attorney filed a motion in Larimer County court which states, “Petersen has not been convicted of a felony, adjudicated a mental defective or committed within the meaning of the Gun Control Act, 18 U.S.C. § 922(g) and its interpretive regulation 27 CFR § 478.11 and is, therefore, outside the scope of the federal law that prohibits the possession of firearms by certain individuals.” I have never been diagnosed or treated for any type of mental illness.

I had asked my US Senator Ken Salazar to intervene on my behalf by requesting an investigation into the theft of my guns. Salazar is a former Colorado Attorney General and is intimately familiar with the procedures for requesting criminal investigations at a state and federal level. He knew that sending my information directly the Attorney General would not result in any action. If Salazar was sincere he would have sent the request to the Governor or the FBI.

The Colorado Attorney General told me they have no jurisdiction over this matter. When I asked them to forward Salazar’s request to an agency that does the AG stopped talking.

In 1999 I had two conversations with a prominent Denver businessman M. Brusse. In those talks he told me that he thought the greatest gift God could give a man was the ability to lie to others and to retain the respect of those he had lied to.

Senator Salazar knew he was being dishonest with me and when asked the simple question about his sincerity he refused to answer. Take a good hard look at what has happened to this country. Some people, like Senator Ken Salazar, see it as “God’s Greatest Gift” being utilized.

The police reports I have posted speak for themselves.

Art Eatman
January 4, 2009, 10:44 AM
None of us like to hear about this sort of misfortune, but this mix of necro-threadia and the usual Internet doubting about veracity makes for a closing of the thread.

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