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Mastrogiacomo
October 8, 2005, 12:10 PM
I'm thinking of sending my SP along to Teddy for work but I'm curious how much of a reduction it'd be on the trigger pull. I've no idea what it is now but does he reduce the DA to a 9 or less? His complete action job doesn't indicate any numbers.

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Gordon
October 8, 2005, 12:40 PM
Whatever CAN be done to enhance the trigger action safely WILL be done by 'T' in my long experience with his work. :)

BigBoar
October 8, 2005, 01:04 PM
Had one done by "T". He will put new lower tension Wolff springs in (I think this costs extra) and polish all the contact surfaces where effective. The "where effective" is inserted because I have had OTHER gunsmiths tune other guns for me that were polished just about everywhere but still required a relatively high trigger pull for reliable ignition (e.g. 8.5 pounds on a tuned S&W 686).

He will give you on the gun's return the values before and after of the trigger pulls. Mine was 14 lbs. double action and about 4.5 lbs. single. I had the gun made DAO so there is no single action after value but the double action was right at 9 lbs. If single action is retained I believe he may reduce the hammer notch to eliminate creep and polish the sear with a stone to reduce the trigger pull to about 3 pounds. Anyhow, if you email him about the SP he will give you average before and after figures. I have been happy with his work.
The 9 pound pull has been totally reliable with all primers. Indeed, with a lighter mainspring it works at 8.3 pounds double action but that is getting light. A gun writer tested an SP-101 tuned by All Custom Firearms in Arizona for Combat Handguns that had about 7.75 pound double action but found it not reliable with all ammo.
Thus, 9 pounds is probably about right.

Mastrogiacomo
October 8, 2005, 02:19 PM
I've got the DAO SP which I'd like to have work done to so it's not a single/double action concern with me. I want to be able to have an easy trigger pull to pratice with because as it is, it's harder than I'd like and I don't want to lighten it via snaps alone. Any idea what his turn around time is?

Pepper
October 8, 2005, 05:22 PM
Here is the link to Teddy's web page: http://www.actionsbyt.com/

It says that he is semi-retired but will still do some work. I have several S&W revolvers that he has worked on and his quality is very good.

LHB1
October 8, 2005, 05:23 PM
When Teddy did the action job on my Kimber 1911 he adamantly refused to lower the (single action) trigger pull below 4#. In fact, the delivered pistol measured 5.5# on my trigger scale. The action part of his work is OK but do NOT expect a light trigger. You will have to do that yourself or find someone else. Next time I will find a gunsmith with less irascible behavior. Contrary to his opinion, he is not the only gunsmith who knows how to properly fix 1911's.

Good shooting and be safe.
LB

Mastrogiacomo
October 8, 2005, 05:25 PM
I've heard that about it which is why I'm also considering Clement Custom Guns as well.

kevin387
October 9, 2005, 12:46 AM
What is the difference between an action job and a trigger job?

LHB1
October 9, 2005, 01:10 AM
A trigger job is just that, improving the trigger pull. An action job goes through the action from front to back and top to bottom making sure everything fits/feeds/locks up/extracts/ejects/etc. properly. In short, an action job makes the gun perform as it should have when you bought it.

Good shooting and be safe.
LB

Gordon
October 9, 2005, 01:38 AM
Allthough he prolly is NOT the worlds best 1911 man, he WAS the ONLY guy to put a great trigger on an H&K VP-70!!! He does other problematic guns like Berettas ect. as good as it gets. :)

Dale Taylor
October 9, 2005, 01:02 PM
Read actionsbyt.blogspot.com Very interesting .

mattz357
October 9, 2005, 04:51 PM
Teddy is a very nice guy, but he will tell you what he thinks (no holding back) and some people don't like that. He will stand behind a gun he has worked on, and last time I talked to him he said he was only taking work from people he has done work for before (that's what he means by semi-retired). He does TOP notch work and has forgotten more than I'll ever know about firearms.

Paladin7
October 9, 2005, 06:09 PM
I've also had work done by Teddy, the results of which were simply amazing. Totally reliable and much easier/smoother/lighter/cleaner pull. I've never encountered a better trigger that was as reliable than what I've experienced with Teddy's work. It has also been my experience that he is honest to a fault and will not do anything to your pistol that might cause reliability issues. He has a long track record and many folks with better pedigrees than me can vouch for him. Just give him a call and talk to him. He will take the time to give you advice and help, anytime.

Yes, Teddy is opinionated and will call it like he sees it and some folks don't like that. He has enemies. That is a secondary issue, as you always have the freedom to disagree with him.

In the field of gunsmithing, the sad fact is that there are no certifications, or gaurantees of quality. Anyone can hang a shingle outside their shop and say they are a gunsmith. With a gun I may someday bet my life on, I don't trust very many people to tinker with it. I trust Teddy. Enough said.

If you need that gun to defend your loved ones or yourself, be sure of who you give it to, whoever you choose.

Peter M. Eick
October 9, 2005, 06:21 PM
I have to agree with the above post. Teddy took my piece of junk used python (in very nice shape but horrible trigger) to a work of art. It was/is better then my 64 python I had to sell to get through college.

The man is a true genius and artists. He is also very high strung like the same. Treat him with the respect he deserves and you will sing his praises also.

Old Fuff
October 10, 2005, 12:12 AM
In my inexpert opinion ... :cool:

The only mistake I can see that Teddy might have made was in selecting certain customers ... :scrutiny: ;)

BluesBear
October 10, 2005, 05:38 AM
Once again Fuff has hit the nail squarely on the head.

Peter M. Eick
October 10, 2005, 01:51 PM
You guys obviously understand the situation very very well!

;)

BigBoar
October 10, 2005, 02:11 PM
Don't know Teddy's current turnaround time but he is quick if you send cash. I sent cash and it was about 2 weeks from the day out to day back. You can contact him to find out the current situation.

As to trigger pull all small revolvers will have a higher trigger pull than larger ones in that the trigger does not have as much leverage. Having had a Colt, a S&W and SP none of them would be reliable at 8 pounds even after tuning with every load. Therefore, for defense purposes I believe 8.5 to 9 pounds is probably what one can realistically expect in a small frame.

LHB1
October 10, 2005, 07:27 PM
Sure, and Teddy's error in selecting certain customers is what got him banned from more than one internet forum also. :rolleyes:

Good shooting and be safe.
LB

Mastrogiacomo
October 11, 2005, 06:10 AM
All things to think about. Thanks for the information, guys. :)

bountyhunter
October 11, 2005, 07:45 PM
In my inexpert opinion ...

The only mistake I can see that Teddy might have made was in selecting certain customers ...

Well, based on the following data point and a few others:

When Teddy did the action job on my Kimber 1911 he adamantly refused to lower the (single action) trigger pull below 4#. In fact, the delivered pistol measured 5.5# on my trigger scale.

I'd say the only mistake he is making is claiming to be a 1911 gunsmith.

bountyhunter
October 11, 2005, 07:47 PM
Sure, and Teddy's error in selecting certain customers is what got him banned from more than one internet forum also. I believe Tuner and I bonked heads with him over at GlockTalk a good while ago. I have no axe to grind against him, but I have to speak up when he shovels it deeper than my boots.... he probaly has forgotten more about guns than I'll ever know, but that doesn't give anybody a license to make it up as he goes along (or treat people like road kill).

Just my opinion.

HighVelocity
October 11, 2005, 08:03 PM
I used to live just a couple miles from Teddy and he worked on several 1911's of mine over several years. However, while he does know his business, his reaction to ANY criticism was, at least in my case, "less than open". Basically, if you don't like what he did, keep it to yourself. We no longer do business, nor have we spoken in about 15 years.

Gordon
October 11, 2005, 09:53 PM
Like I said,politely, a foremost 1911 mechanic he is NOT!
However he is a genius on DA guns both pistols and revolvers! Some certain models NOBODY ELSE can equal him! NOBODY is the ultimate guru on everything! :rolleyes:

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