THR members, Arm my new creek house


October 9, 2005, 01:14 AM
I am in the process of purchasing a house on a creek for a weekend getaway destination. This property is very remote, and will offer some interesting firearm needs. I am planning on purchasing some firearms to stay at the house, and I though some of you guys would have some good input. The requirements are as follows:

1 Inexpensive since I'm leaving them were they could be stolen.
2 No hunting in this area.
3 Remote location, no 911 help for at least 30-60 min assuming they even find you.
4 No high powered target shooting.
5 Youth friendly.
6 Flexibility, light weight

The main uses would cover home defense, hiking, canoeing, self defense, hunting during dire circumstances, and anything else I havent though of. Sound is a real concern as the neighbors are old and sensitive to such things. Silencers are legal here and are on the table for consideration.

I will always have my personal side arm on my person so thats not part of the discussion.

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October 9, 2005, 01:22 AM
Remington 870, any will do. Throw on an extended magazine and call it a day. Maybe a nice .357 revolver just for backup, say a Ruger GP100.

If you can't get by with these two firearms you are in a world of hurt that will most likely require armed friends, not different or more guns.


October 9, 2005, 01:28 AM
A Winchester Model 94 would be my choice. 30-30 so it has enough power to get most job's done but isn't so strong it break's the hi power requirement.

Hold's multiple round's so if you are on your own for awhile it is a lot easier to hold down the fort then wit a single shot or somethign that only holds a few round's. Plus at least for me a lever action keep's me more on target between round's then a bolt action.

I find that it is easy to operate and load so it is indeed youth friendly and doesn't have the extream kick of a really high powerd rifle. And as it is fairly short can go in the canno, camping, and all that which you mentioned without much dificulty.

Price or what not if that is not easy for oyu to get I would say another similer weapon that you can get your hand's on would be next on the list.

October 9, 2005, 02:01 AM
Get a used SKS, a old 12ga pump, and a used 357. You will have all your bases covered for about $500.

October 9, 2005, 02:40 AM
I would start with a good fireplan sketch from your topmost level, that should dictate your needs acurately enough. For any dead space (or blind space, such as in a valley, creek bed, any depressions etc.) an M203 grenade launcher loaded with HEDP (high explosive, dual purpose) rounds usually does a very good job. For any high-speed avenues of approach (such as roads or driveways accessable by vehicles, a nice 240 Golf medium machine gun (7.62) or if you have to, an M249 light machine gun (5.56) should suffice. A good 'ole Ma-Duce M2 .50 cal sniper rifle never hurts either for those long range target aquisitions, and of course don't forget a couple M-16's to cover your flanks. At the entrances to your home, I would recommend claymore mines, they are very effective. For the go to hell plan, just keep a couple frag grenades handy to drop down the stairs when they get too close, and if it comes down to it, just fix bayonettes. Don't forget to string a double-high strand of concertino wire all the way around your perimeter, as well as some barbed wire about ankle or calf height to channel avenues of approach inside your lines. Trip flares help to alert you to intruders at night as well. Speaking about at night, I would recommend a PVS-13 thermal scope for the machine gun, and PVS-7B night vision along with AN/PEQ-2 infared

October 9, 2005, 02:42 AM
laser aiming devices all around. If you really get in the thick of it, just use your com and call in mortars or artillery, or if you're really feelin' froggy, just go right to rotary-wing or fixed-wing air support, they always put on a good show. And sandbags, sandbag your fighting positions well as most rifle rounds will tear right through most any type of wall on a home (brick included)However, I suppose my plan would violate all 6 of your posted requirements, so it may not suit you perfectly. (OK in all honesty, I'm at work and bored out of my mind. I apologize profusely for my entire post, but if I left anything out, let me know!) :neener:

October 9, 2005, 02:47 AM

or at least some of those fun little signs saying their are landmine's

Kinda like people that put up them ADT signs with no alarm system lol

October 9, 2005, 02:57 AM

October 9, 2005, 03:06 AM
That's it MP, the Denis the Menice techniuqe it never fails

October 9, 2005, 08:22 AM
If it were me, I would start with a short-barreled Mossberg or Rem SG with rifle or ghost ring sights. Three types of ammo can cover every need you may have.

Slugs and 00Buck for two and four-legged predators, and a box of #9 or smaller shot to dust ol' Jake Noshoulders when comes a slitherin' on your property.

You can taylor the rest of your firearms needs after you've spent some time there and determined what your needs are.

Byron Quick
October 9, 2005, 08:46 AM
I wouldn't buy a weekend place where I was so limited in indulging in bang time.

In a year or so, I'll be moving out to the Big Bend area of Texas. Fire a .50 BMG rifle just about anywhere in any direction and not worry about hitting anyone. County has almost 10,000 square miles. Population of 7,500...5,000 of whom live in the county seat. Leaving over 9,000 square miles for 2,500 people.

When my buddy uses dynamite to clear some roads up a mountainside, the neighbors call to complain. They want to know why they weren't alerted so they could come watch:D

chris in va
October 9, 2005, 02:37 PM
Yeah, what's up with the remote and no target shooting thing? :confused:

Vern Humphrey
October 9, 2005, 02:44 PM
Remington 870, any will do. Throw on an extended magazine and call it a day. Maybe a nice .357 revolver just for backup, say a Ruger GP100.

Good advice. I'd add one thing -- get a smaller gun for concealed carry, as well. Even if you can't carry concealed (I don't know what state you're in), you can carry on your own property. With concealed carry, you don't get surprised in one room while your gun is in the other.

kage genin
October 9, 2005, 02:47 PM
Keltec SU-16. Lightweight, shoots .223rem, corrosion-resistant (it's almost entirely polymer), uses AR magazines, and really cost effective.

October 9, 2005, 04:09 PM
Sure sounds like you want an SKS to me.

October 9, 2005, 04:12 PM
an AK (with Wolf HP's), hi-cap mags

a .45 LC revolver (this one may not be too youth friendly depending on the "youthfullness" of the youth).

October 9, 2005, 05:50 PM
A shotgun and a 22 pistol will cover it for min. dollars

October 9, 2005, 08:48 PM
Normally remote properties are great for shooting, however there are two main factors that limit the shooting activities. The geography and the very tight nit group of five families that live there. The kind of shooting that will most likely take place is limits plinking like .22's, and whatever I carry while fishing.

As mentioned previously I will always have my .45 on me so thats not an issue.

I like the suggestions about the sks, 870, and particularly the Keltec SU-16. The keltec will fold up and would be great to have on a small boat. There is a local C2 guy that makes a gun he calls a "pocket rifle". Its a ruger 10-22 with a folding stock and a silencer. The full barrel length with supressor is 16" so its very compact. But thats not a gun I could leave down there but would be great for boating and quiet plinking.

Other issue is you just can't see more than 15-25 yards so a rifle range is not happening.

I guess the needs are a home defense say Rem 870 12 or 20 ga. "Creek gun" like the SU-16, pocket rifle or something else, and then good old plinking guns for youth and adults.

Anyone have experience with the SU-16?

I appreciate everyones replys.

October 9, 2005, 09:06 PM
I post another vote for an SKS. They are cheap, pretty reliable and the ammo is cheap. Its got enough power that if you had to survive with it, you could knock down some game if needed. Of course, it will provide ample protection from zombies too. This is a flexible gun, not too much in the recoil department and

A good concealed carry gun would be ideal.

Never under estimate the usefulness of a good shotty.

My question is this...

If you are buying this place, why not put in a solid safe that is well attached to the structure?

Also, is it so bad/risky of an area that it just does not make sense to take guns up there when you travel there? Is it really important to have something that you are leaving there?

October 9, 2005, 10:05 PM
MK 15 Phalanx Close-In Weapons System (CIWS)

October 9, 2005, 11:34 PM
Why leave the guns there?

Well its really a convenience issue as I will go there spur of the moment. I would want some proper arms there for any visitors to use as well just like a boat and other amenities. I could use a safe, but the square footage is limited so I figure use cheap firearms instead. Also, the more places you can have some arms available I figure the better.

And well its really an excuse to buy some more guns. I will be the first to admit that I really want to figure out some cool applications and buy the right gun for all these new activities.

October 10, 2005, 01:42 AM
I think a used pawn shop special shotgun is a good bet for a stay at the cabin gun. Another good option is a Pawn shop special 30-30 lever gun from Winchester or Marlin. I also like my KelTec Sub 2000 9mm carbine as a potential stay at the cabin gun BUT it is so easy to have handy always I might just bring it back and forth. A Ruger 10-22 would round out the cabin hardware. A Choate folding stock and a barrel adapter would allow for small size and the addition of a suppressor to bring with you. A .22 pistol such as a Ruger Mark I or II purchased used would be a nice bit of extra fun.

All of these should be locked away in a good steel box secured to the house.

If only one then the shotgun but the argument for a SKS has merit as well. Choices choices. :)

October 10, 2005, 01:59 AM
One at each corner.
Hey, if other guys can suggest minefields, I can offer up quad 40mm bofors :)

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