[Drjones]

...don't worry guys....you'll be next! :Evil:

Seriously, last night I was watching Fox news (who here doesn't!) and they were showing footage of various peace protests around the world.

In India, people were shouting support for Saddam.

One man they interviewed actually said, "What has Saddam done wrong? He has done nothing!"

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Stupid idiots.

Perhaps they should be next, eh?

[El Tejon]

No, doc, they are just ignorant. They only know what their media tells them, Urdu television tells them that Demon America wants to destroy the world.

The trials after Baghdad falls will educate them. However, it is another matter entirely if they wish to learn.

[Malone LaVeigh]

This is priceless.
Seriously, last night I was watching Fox news (who here doesn't!)
No, doc, they are just ignorant. They only know what their media tells them'Nuff said.

[El Tejon]

Malone, I have access to CNN, BBC, FNC, NPR, et al. I know what a threat and a thug Saddam is.

Do any of those broadcast in Urdu?:scrutiny: However, I agree that PR should definitely be part of our war on the New Barbary pirates. The trials should be in many languages so everyone knows the truth.

[Drjones]

Oh, I'm sorry Malone.

Where do YOU and everyone else who oppose this war get your information?

Remember, TV, radio, internet, and newspapers don't count.

[Russ]

That surprised me somewhat. With what the majority Hindu population has been through with Muslim Pakistan, I would have thought they would not have much sympathy for Saddam. But there are people that were born and live here in the U.S. who hate us. It really doesn't matter. In this case, like it or not, might makes right. Let these pip squeak countries whine all they want to. They will be the first ones in looking for rebuilding contracts and money from the U.S. once this is over.

I heard Syria is importing weapons into Iraq. Syria is probably a larger exporter of terrorism than Iraq is. I think Syria and Iran better watch out. The U.S. is in the neighborhood in a big way now and alot more troops are on the way. While we are there. we should stomp out terrorism from Arabs and Persians for the next 100 years. It won't get any easier.

[JoshM]

Anti war protests in India are not a good indicator of public opinion or government policy. The anti war protestors in India seem to be from a very small and very vocal section of India's minority Muslim community.

I seriously doubt that the Hindi nationalist government of India is supportive of the Hussein regime or any Middle East government. The Indian government is likely taking an "Israeli approach". That being, quietly hoping for Allied success, but taking no active role, as not to inflame any wider religious tensions.

[Malone LaVeigh]

Oh, I'm sorry Malone.

Where do YOU and everyone else who oppose this war get your information?

Remember, TV, radio, internet, and newspapers don't count. I get my information from a variety of sources, but that has nothing to do with my post. My point wasn't even aimed at you, except that you illustrated why our sources of information are in no way better than the Indian's.

Well, they get their news in some wog language! what do you expect?

[Thumper]

Ah yes...the ALMOSTQUOTE tag...another favorite weapon of the left.

YOU...WILL...ACCEPT...(huff, huff) THESE WORDS I (whew) SHOVE...IN YOUR...MOUTH!

Excuse Malone while he continues to quietly build straw men in the corner...

:D

[DeltaElite]

Wow, Malone is as well informed as someone in India.
Isn't that special. :neener:

[Don Gwinn]

That's an awwwwful looooonnnnggggg streeeeetch, Malone. Don't think that's what he said--or implied.

I too am surprised. I would have thought that if there would be a bias in India it would be against Muslims in any form, not that such would make any more sense than a bias against the Great Satan. You never know.

Of course, we don't know what part of India this was.

[Greg L]

Anti war protests in India are not a good indicator of public opinion or government policy. The anti war protestors in India seem to be from a very small and very vocal section

Substitute the words "the US" for "India" and you see that it seems to be a worldwide affliction.

Greg

[El Tejon]

Malone, the Hindu (and Sikhs) speak Hindi. The Muslims in India speak Urdu. It is not a "wog" language as you call it. How could you use such a term of hate? It is a beautiful language of reason and poetry. Why do you hate the Muslims of India so?:confused:

Our sources are no better than anyone elses? Is this akin to the moral equivalence argument of the Europeans?

Of course our information is far better than anyone else's. The media is free and not controlled by the government and subject to the pressure of competition. Why do you think the world watches Western media?

[Malone LaVeigh]

OK Gang,

No, doc, they are just ignorant. They only know what their media tells them, Urdu television tells them that Demon America wants to destroy the world.

I stand by my characterization.

Wow, Malone is as well informed as someone in India.
Isn't that special. You just can't make this stuff up. I couldn't ask for more perfect illustrations.

Hey, believe it or not, people in India and a lot of other places actually have ways of getting the news. They know how to read and everything!

[DeltaElite]

Just trying to help ya out Malone.
I set, you spike. :D

Of course what one does with the information, is an entirely different issue.
Some see a forest, some can't see the forest because of all the damn trees.

[El Tejon]

Malone, and the news they get is incorrect.

[Gordon]

Every Indian I've bnecome friendly with has told me of Muslim conquest and rape of India for 500 years until the Sihk's 10th Guru threw them out. I think the COMMIE element in India has marching orders from on high as in US because Saddam is a Stalinist socialist before he is a Muslim. Don't discount what I say follow the money trail of sponsors in West for demonstrations. Of course Radical Muslims have a different axe to grind, Very interesting times . Also the Phrench , Germans , Ruskies, Chinese and North Koreans just want to make a buck off their 'products' too!:uhoh:

[Quartus]

Oh, I'm sorry Malone.
Where do YOU and everyone else who oppose this war get your information?
Remember, TV, radio, internet, and newspapers don't count.


:D


Oh, the kid is larnin'! I love it! Go get 'em, Jones!


<sniff> He makes me proud! http://www.thehighroad.org/images/icons/icon14.gif

[Soap]

Then Purdue must be with Saddam too since there are a bunch of idiot sheeple camping out and fasting on the Memorial Mall. I just wish they were not drinking instead of not eating :(

[Drjones]

Oh, the kid is larnin'! I love it! Go get 'em, Jones!


<sniff> He makes me proud!


Thank you, kind sir!!!

:D

[WilderBill]

Also keep in mind that India has such a large population, that even a mob of several thousand protesters is a tiny percentage of the country.

They have lots of Hindus, a fair number of Moslems, enough Sihks to count and even some Christians living there. Add in all the possable political persuasions, and it's unlikely that you could ever get them all to agree on anything.

A lot like us.

[trooper]

Here's an article about it:

http://www.time.com/time/asia/covers/501030324/story.html?cnn=yes

I just saw this quote from the "Hindustan Times" on CNN:

The single greatest achievement of George W Bush — from an Indian perspective — is to have made us overcome our love of, and respect for, all things American and to have transformed us into a nation that is solidly opposed to US policy towards the world.

Just who was the guy around here that suggested to replace France with India in the UN SC a couple days ago???


Regards,

Trooper

[cuchulainn]

The Urdu comment was not racist; it merely distinguished between two media in India. It may or may not have mischaracterized the Urdu media's bias (I have no idea).

Thus, Malone, a better response would have been to demand El Tejon give evidence that the Urdu media is doing what he asserted.

[Diesle]

Simmer down. There are SOME Indians who support him.

Moslem and India Hindues in India have their own problems. About a thousand years worth...

And more recently... Can you say Kashmir....

"By the 20th century the Muslims after 800 years of domination (in the north) could convert only 25% of the population of India to Islam. "

Diesle

[El Tejon]

cuch, I don't know. Malone called people who speak Urdu "wogs." Sounds racist to me.:confused:

[cuchulainn]

Well, El Tejon, you are right. Taking both comments out of context, his "wog" is easier to paint as racist than your "urdu" :D

"Wog"? Has anyone actually used that word since the Boer War? What next, "Fuzzie Wuzzies"? ;)

[JoeSF]

Trooper,

good article thanks.

U.S.-funded Thai troops tortured and killed locals, while the communists responded by beheading Thai soldiers. "America will bully other countries because it is strong,"

They forgot to mention Cambodias' killing fields. But we dont want to talk about that.

[El Tejon]

cuch, my Urdu is a fact, this is the language spoken by Muslims in India. Malone's wog is a racial insult.

[cuchulainn]

El Tejon,

I know your "Urdu" is a fact. That was my original point. I was taking your side. :)

[Malone LaVeigh]

Only a lawyer could twist what I said into a charge of racism. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt of saying you know better, and have to conclude that you're just a liar.

Your point was that the NON-ENGLISH language press in India is not to be believed. They have the temerity to disagree with US foreign policy, after all. I used the word "wog" as a satirical way of calling you on it. I also tried to point out that other people who speak different language than we do are in no way necessarily more decieved by their press than are we.

Or are you among the 45% polled Americans who believe Saddam was behind 9/11?

[cuchulainn]

Only a lawyer could twist what I said into a charge of racism. True, but that lawyer would have a harder time twisting what El Tejon said.

I think that might have been El Tejon's point. He was giving you a taste of your own twisting ... a little satire of his own.

[faustulus]

Why is it we are willing to take what the press tells us on face value about the war but not about gun violence and other second amendment issues?

[El Tejon]

Malone, no twisting was necessary. You used the insult "wog"; I did not.

My point is that the non-Western press is incorrect and lying to its viewers. Allthatjazz is reporting that dozens of American tanks have been destroyed via Iraqi counterattacks. The non-Western press, hindered by a lack of competition and speech restraints, is deceiving its viewers.

Remember the man quoted as Saddam had done nothing. Where would he get that idea? The media he views.

However, the spoiled, rich little children on the streets of San Fransico or Chicago also have this view. Maybe he is just selectively ignoring the evidence as are they?

[Bahadur]

Every Indian I've bnecome friendly with has told me of Muslim conquest and rape of India for 500 years until the Sihk's 10th Guru threw them out.The friends of yours - they wouldn't be Sikhs now, wouldn't they?

For one thing, the Sikhs did not "throw them out" of India. Mughal Empire, though highly corroded by the time of the arrival of the British, still ruled much of India.
I think the COMMIE element in India has marching orders from on high as in US because Saddam is a Stalinist socialist before he is a Muslim.Saddam Hussein is a Ba'athist socialist first before he is a Muslim (I really don't think he believes in the traditional notion of an Islamic God).

But I suspect that "anti-war" demonstration anywhere (including India) is more motivated by anti-Americanism than pro-Saddamism.

[Don Gwinn]

I do believe El Tee's point was that "Wog" is a racist term and it's a bit ironic that you were trying to paint him as having used it when the only person in the thread who had was. . . . well, you.


As for the rest of you, I've been ashamed of you for a long time. Not long ago I heard one of you say that you didn't trust what you read in Pravda. It grieved me to think that you would be such clods as to dismiss a source that is, after all, just as valid as CNN or Fox News, purely because it's foreign and conservative sillies like you are insular. :uhoh:

Whoa . . . . where'd that come from?

[El Tejon]

Pravda nyet Izvestia;
Izvestia nyet Pravda!:D

Don, mne zhal, tovarish. I'll try to be more accepting of foreign lies from now on so I seem more open-minded.:rolleyes:

Oh, yeah, you're right about me pointing out Malone's use of the racial slur "wog." Always ironic when the Left, those sacred guardians of tolerance, are shown not to be.:)

[Malone LaVeigh]

[sigh]

What does it take to get some logic into the conservative brain-pan? I take back what I said about giving the benefit of the doubt.

If you are saying that any use of a racist term, whether for illustration purposes or any other, is unacceptable, then you will be thrilled to know that it puts you in the same camp with the most knee-jerk liberals in the country.