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Godfather
October 10, 2005, 09:13 PM
(yes, this is ripped off of the "where the French came from" joke)

So, when God created America, He gave California the best waves, the nicest vineyards, the balmiest weather, the hottest chicks, the best tans, and the movie industry. But this made the other states jealous. "God, why do they get everything? It seems kind of unfair," whined the rest of the country. "I guess it is pretty unfair," replied God. "Here, I don't like destroying My creation, so I'll just create a new abomination that will mar the beauty of California enough to make it equal with you other states." So God created Californian politicians. :rolleyes:

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bigun15
October 10, 2005, 09:30 PM
I like it.

No_Brakes23
October 10, 2005, 09:32 PM
Ain't it the truth.

artherd
October 10, 2005, 10:10 PM
Ain't no joke! ;)

Standing Wolf
October 10, 2005, 10:26 PM
I thought they were spawned in hell.

Crosshair
October 10, 2005, 10:35 PM
Too bad we didn't make a North-Cal and a South-Cal. Then we could at least contain the damage better.

M-Rex
October 10, 2005, 11:12 PM
I wish we could break off of Southern California and form our own state.

wallysparx
October 11, 2005, 12:01 AM
i just sit and think "at least i'm not in new jersey!"

Flyboy
October 11, 2005, 12:17 AM
Something like a San Andreas Secession?

Alternatively, how about a new reality show called Survivor: Statehood? Every week, the States get together and vote one state out of the union.

goose
October 11, 2005, 12:30 AM
And I'm glad I'm not on the Left coast or the Least coast....I live in the "Fly over section" of the U S......thank God.

No_Brakes23
October 11, 2005, 12:37 AM
I wish we could break off of Southern California and form our own state. I agree, but I bet we'd have the better gun laws. We got the Orange Curtain and San Diego which are both pretty red. L.A. is our biggest stain.

Y'all got all kinds of blue up thar.

But once we get this gerrymandering fixed so the good folks inland aren't getting cheated, maybe we'll all have better laws.

BamBam-31
October 11, 2005, 02:10 AM
Come on, people!! Enough, already!! Left coast, right coast, no coast, No Cal, So Cal.... :barf: :fire:

DIVIDED WE FALL.

Any questions? Maybe you need Oleg to make you a poster before you get it?

:banghead:

Crosshair
October 11, 2005, 02:40 AM
I have a good one to add.

Q: What is the difference between California in 1849 vs Today?

A: In 1849 people where trying to get into California any way they could. Today, people are trying to get out of California any way they can. :evil:

Black Majik
October 11, 2005, 03:17 AM
Eh....we've still got the best waves, the nicest vineyards, the balmiest weather, and the hottest chicks.

Guns ain't the only things to rule our lives.

No_Brakes23
October 11, 2005, 03:24 AM
DIVIDED WE FALL. Hey now, it was just a joke. The "You guys elected 'em, so quit whining" and "You should leave your family and job to live somewhere you don't like just so you can CCW and have pistol grip detmag autoloaders" comments are what bothers me.

You tell me all day long how messed up are politicians are, cuz its true.

Dragun
October 11, 2005, 03:30 AM
bam was just saying we gotta stick together....

M-Rex
October 11, 2005, 03:50 AM
You know? You Southies can have San Fransicko. Really. We won't miss it. ;)

No_Brakes23
October 11, 2005, 04:36 AM
You know? You Southies can have San Fransicko. Really. We won't miss it. Trade ya straight up fer L.A., (Minus mullholland, but that ain't REALLY L.A.)

Can't tell who'd get the worse deal on that one.

Throw in one o' them CCW friendly inland counties and we'll call it a deal. ;)

Nematocyst
October 11, 2005, 05:07 AM
I wish we could break off of Southern California and form our own state. OK, I'll play, says the nomad currently living in OR.

Is N. CA really N. CA or S. OR?

We got better gun laws, more temperate rainforests, more desert (LOTS of BLM land), just as many microbrews, & less traffic, 'specially east of the Cascades.

Can you spell 'Cascadia'?

No truth implied; just thinking out loud. :D

Shear_stress
October 11, 2005, 09:25 AM
Didn't Northern California and Southern Oregon try to form their own state some time back? It was to be called "Jefferson". The idea has never completely died. Even now, a sign on I-5 south of Yreka welcomes you to "Jefferson". Better yet, the public broadcasting station out of Ashland calls itself "Jefferson Public Radio".

Byron Quick
October 11, 2005, 10:27 AM
Guns ain't the only things to rule our lives.

You're right. However, liberty should be the rule of our lives. From the vantge of Georgia, it appears to be endangered in California.

If I lived under the laws of California, I'd move if moving was still an option,i.e, if there were still places where liberty survived.

Industrial grade idiots are in control in California. Not to say that Georgia and other states are not run by idiots. But as I have stated before: Our idiots are in awe of your idiots.

And I don't really think it's the fault of native Californians. For at least a couple of generations, I believe that California has managed to attract idiots from the rest of the nation. Thus depriving the rest of the nation of many of their idiots while tragically giving idiots the majority vote in California.

But California is a prime example of the road to hell being paved with good intentions.

New Jersey? The folks from New Jersey that refer to it as Nazi Jersey aren't indulging in much hyperbole, if any. And those folks can't even claim to be staying for the good jobs, the incredible weather, the vineyards, and the hot chicks. New Jerseyans must REALLY love their families to stay in New Jersey.

Henry Bowman
October 11, 2005, 10:30 AM
Alternatively, how about a new reality show called Survivor: Statehood? How about one more like Wife Swap? Call it Legislature Swap.

Montana and New Jersey swap legislatures for 2 weeks. For the first week, the legislators have to live by to host state's rules. Then for the second week, the state has to live by their rules. It would give NJ a taste of freedom and make MT appreciate it even more.

middy
October 11, 2005, 12:00 PM
I live in the "Fly over section" of the U S......thank God.
Amen. :cool:

No_Brakes23
October 11, 2005, 12:08 PM
For at least a couple of generations, I believe that California has managed to attract idiots from the rest of the nation. bingo

SalukiFan
October 11, 2005, 12:26 PM
My mom always said that the country was slanted and all of the loose nuts and bolts rolled to California.

I told that to a California native (she had come to Indiana for graduate school) who was complaining about how dumb and without culture Hoosiers were. I don't think she appreciated the joke... :rolleyes:

I never would have said a word to her if she hadn't insisted on ripping on Hoosiers and the Midwest constantly...

Ravenslair
October 11, 2005, 02:58 PM
You know? You Southies can have San Fransicko. Really. We won't miss it.

I was thinking the same thing. You make sure SF is part of So-Cal, then we only have Sacramento as a liberal stronghold. There are enough in the rest of No-Cal to outvote them any day of the week.

thorn726
October 11, 2005, 03:12 PM
really, once you get off the coast, the state is full of redneck racist losers, so yeah, y'all can seperate for all i care........

but what are you gonna do about all those hippies up north??

i still can't believe ANYONE enjoys SoCal anyway. but i guess some folks like the taste of smog.

it's funny how the five California republicans all come to this site and think they will take over Cali as a whole. good luck buds.

you'd do better to come up with some logic and talk to these idiots.

of course, you can't hold you temper and have a real discussion, you whip out a gun, and prove these anti losers point

Soap
October 11, 2005, 03:14 PM
I LOVE California. It really is a bummer about the political scene. It really could be a crown jewel of a state in the US if they didn't ruin it :(

thorn726
October 11, 2005, 03:21 PM
Eh....we've still got the best waves, the nicest vineyards, the balmiest weather, and the hottest chicks.

SERIOUSLY!!!

GIRLS GIRLS GIRLS. WEather, mountains, COPS= who know we will not take crap from them, there is a REAL advantage to having cops who know that their people know the law (LA and oakland excepted)

i love how guns are all that matter to so many people, and how they fail to realize- just how big this state is and how many places to hide there are.
some laws are so widely ignored its comedy.

how about FULL AUTO at the <edit for protection> range!!!!!!!!

it happens!

funny the threadis started by people in some of the lamest, most biring , un happening, least likely to have an impact on the whole nation states.

if any of you had any sense, or real foresight, you would ALL be moving here and trying to change the law.

HA! the southerners are the biggest joke=

would you all have just given up to the north in the civil war???

is that how you ended up in NH ???

or Colorado ? when the Union army came thru, you all left for CO?

nothing like Americans ready to run for the hills rather than fight for what they believe.
Iraw can be won, but Cali is lost.
what a bunch of WIMPS

M-Rex
October 11, 2005, 03:31 PM
Ok...

Marijuanna and Espresso don't mix. ;)

R.H. Lee
October 11, 2005, 03:41 PM
Yeah, we've got some real jugheads in the California Legislature. Most are hardcore socialist/statists along with some La Mecha viva La Raza types and some other assorted pervs. They're all there because their individual constituencies keep voting for them. The inner cities are full of wackjobs and nutballs who have come here from everywhere else. It's like the whole country tilts west and all the weirdos roll out here.

In the meantime, it's a struggle. We pass initiatives (known as 'propositions') only to have them shopped to leftists judges who overrule them. So much for the will of the people. All the while, these elected goofballs keep introducing anti-freedom, anti-business legislation over and over again.

I believe Schwarzenegger is honestly doing everything he can to cut the size and power of state government and get rid of the corrupting influence of big labor unions. Unless this state can return to a business friendly environment, it will continue to go downhill. It's about a lot more than guns.

Correia
October 11, 2005, 05:35 PM
Thorn, I was born, raised, and spent the majority of my life in California.

And I can't understand a bit of your last post. It must be because of my California public education.

modifiedbrowning
October 11, 2005, 05:49 PM
Henry,
Legislature Swap is an interesting idea, but I don't think any of those NJ politicians would make it home alive if they came to Montana and tried their statist crap. :evil:

Standing Wolf
October 11, 2005, 07:07 PM
...I don't think any of those NJ politicians would make it home alive if they came to Montana and tried their statist crap.

Well, yeah, but they might make okay bear bait.

M-Rex
October 11, 2005, 07:11 PM
Henry,
Legislature Swap is an interesting idea, but I don't think any of those NJ politicians would make it home alive if they came to Montana and tried their statist crap.

NO! Don't even kid around about that. Bozeman, Montana is where I want to move to.

Interesting side note: There are more people in Sacramento County than there are in the state of Montana.

BTW, modifiedbrowning, you ever heard of 'Frodo' Dowdin? He's somewhat well known in the Bozeman area.

odysseus
October 11, 2005, 07:17 PM
really, once you get off the coast, the state is full of redneck racist losers, so yeah, y'all can seperate for all i care........

Thorn, what is going on? Are you alright? This thread started as humor. Being so defensive is really not making any of your points readable... not to mention settle in a little and calm your typing a bit. It gets unreadable in some places.

Ohhh and to what I quoted, you are patently wrong. You must have been swallowed in by the borg of the Left there...

Stauble
October 11, 2005, 07:48 PM
the state is full of redneck racist losers,
wat do u call us in the south?

HA! the southerners are the biggest joke=
would you all have just given up to the north in the civil war???
General Lee surrendered i didnt, nor did alot of other people

nothing like Americans ready to run for the hills rather than fight for what they believe.
that is the biggest insult to every American that ever gave their life for this country

Marijuanna and Espresso don't mix.
+1 for that

1911_sfca
October 11, 2005, 08:01 PM
Ok...

Marijuanna and Espresso don't mix

Hahaha

No_Brakes23
October 11, 2005, 08:36 PM
i still can't believe ANYONE enjoys SoCal anyway. but i guess some folks like the taste of smog. San Diego has cleaner air than Berkeley, you. SF/Bay Area has plenty of racists, and watch who you call a Republican. I have been a registered "other" since '92.

As far as where the line would be drawn, down here we think anything north of SLO as NorCal, but a buddy of mine from Redding/Shasta says SF is SoCal :rolleyes:

Honestly if Monterey and upward were to merge with Oregon and get their liberal gun laws, I would move their in a heartbeat. Specially since my wife owns some land in Yreka.

But what would the new State be called? Orefornia? Calgon?

M-Rex
October 11, 2005, 08:45 PM
Tir Tairngire?

STAGE 2
October 11, 2005, 10:57 PM
I swear... everytime I see something with the letters C A L and I in ANY thread here, the result is the same. Half of the posts are of people making fun of the state, and the other half are of people are either planning to leave or already have and are singing about how great it is.

If I sound a bit irate, its because I am. I'm sick of people pissing on my state and using it as the butt of jokes. Does California have really crappy gun laws, sure. Are there a bunch of liberals here, yes. We have our fair share of problems as with any other state.

However, what most don't consider is that no matter where you live, you need California much more than you think. With the WORLD's 5th largest economy I can guarantee you that what is good for our market is good for you. With the nation's largest port, I'd be willing to bet that there is something in your house that came through here.

But all of this is really irrelevant since we're on a gun board. What I will say though is that those people that have left CA are just as responsible for the crappy gun laws as the people that have instituted them. Running from the problem just makes it bigger.

Lots of people here like to put cute tag lines and quotes referencing the policies of nazi germany or their "cold dead hands". All that amounts to a large piece of cow pie if you have decided that the proper solution to this problem is simply to leave. What they say about when the going gets tough is certianly true.

Amadeus
October 11, 2005, 11:00 PM
Too bad we didn't make a North-Cal and a South-Cal. Then we could at least contain the damage better.

As soon as we do that the big battle begins over which half of the state has to take FRESNO!

odysseus
October 12, 2005, 12:46 AM
As soon as we do that the big battle begins over which half of the state has to take FRESNO!

Now that... is funny! :D

Phyphor
October 12, 2005, 12:55 AM
Tulare ain't getting schnookered in with Fresno!

Byron Quick
October 12, 2005, 02:24 AM
It's not just the gun laws. California legislators appear to believe that they can legislate economic principles. That their votes will change reality. Sadly, they can't legislate away basic economics. Yes, the world's 5th largest economy. For now. Taken a look lately at the companies leaving California because they can't comply with the state regulations and make a profit?

You know the saying about how republic last until the citizens figure out they can raid the public treasury? That's what California is twenty years ahead of the rest of the nation on. California is showing us the future of the nation.

Sure wish there was somewhere to emigrate to. Moving to another state is really just delaying the problem. Throwing it onto your children or maybe your grandchildren.

50 Shooter
October 12, 2005, 11:45 AM
The said part is, most of the lawyers, politicians and whiners all came from somewhere else. How many are actually home grown Cali people?

STAGE 2 and other Kali people, why aren't you on www.calguns.net ?

Ravenslair
October 12, 2005, 02:07 PM
STAGE 2 and other Kali people, why aren't you on www.calguns.net ?

I am. :D

thorn726
October 12, 2005, 03:44 PM
And I can't understand a bit of your last post. It must be because of my California public education.

must be- i wouldnt expect too many of the dolts that come out of this system to be able to understand me.

NY educated.

you seriously can't understand my other post?

wow. i guess slow folks can only process one idea at a time, you got overloaded.

it really wasnt that complicated.

odysseus
October 12, 2005, 03:53 PM
must be- i wouldnt expect too many of the dolts that come out of this system to be able to understand me

I understand you just fine; went to college in Cali myself. You like to call people names, and make huge wide generalizations and describe people who disagree with you in negative stereotypes. I picture you smiling at the screen in some little joyful giggle while you write as you think you imagine how "thorny" you are. However the net effect is felt differently on the other side. I have read your stuff in other threads and for the most part it is fine, but you are having one of those bad moments - aka the 5% of times we are not at our best.

Godfather
October 12, 2005, 05:54 PM
"If I sound a bit irate, its because I am. I'm sick of people pissing on my state and using it as the butt of jokes."

Didn't you read my first post? All I said (besides my glowing review of the state itself) was that you had lousy leftist politicians. Which you yourself stated in the following sentance.

Correia
October 12, 2005, 06:26 PM
Yes, Thorn, I must be dimwitted. That is a simpler explanation than your posting being nothing but incoherent ramblings, where no two understandable thoughts are strung together in any sort of grammatical method acceptable in the English language.

Wait, please allow me to translate that into something that you may understand with your superior Bezerkly intellect:

Girlz! Girlz! Yo- if you is from teh south you is bring because the weather here is good and are laws are the suck but if you don't be from here you are PWNED! With FULL AUTO cause it is hidden. Colorado fought for teh union and they liek totally surrendered to the canadians! WORD. Cause teh place you are from is like the suck and bringest place.

Okay. I hope that was more understandable to you.

For fun, go back and read the original Thorn post I referenced. Read it out loud, but read it fast, and shout random words like you have Tourettes syndrome. It is pretty funny. :) (I got the idea from Dr. Rob as how you should read Hardin posts, and it works really well.)

R.H. Lee
October 12, 2005, 06:31 PM
I'm impressed, Correia. You DO speak Californianese. :p
{:kewl:} :neener:

Correia
October 12, 2005, 06:59 PM
R.H., like I said, Cali born and raised.

But I'm from an area near... GASP... FRESNO! :D

(El Nido, Merced County)

Phyphor
October 12, 2005, 10:54 PM
Fresno? You poor dude, (not that I can say much, I was born in Tulare, Oct. 2, 1977, )

Nematocyst
October 12, 2005, 11:01 PM
Girlz! Girlz! Yo- if you is from teh south you is bring because the weather here is good and are laws are the suck but if you don't be from here you are PWNED! With FULL AUTO cause it is hidden. Colorado fought for teh union and they liek totally surrendered to the canadians! WORD. Cause teh place you are from is like the suck and bringest place. Correia, I think it's time to consider a career change. May i recommend the SoCal hiphop scene? Let me know if you're interested in breaking into the recording scene. I've got a couple of indirect connections, we could probably hook you up. :D

Nem

QuarterBoreGunner
October 13, 2005, 01:23 AM
STAGE 2... give it up. Cali born and raised and even I'm tired of defending my state and home from people that have never been here and form all their opinions from the mass media and popular politico outlets.

Here I speak from what I laughingly call 'the heart of darkness' - San Francisco, California.

I refuse to define myself in 'red state' or 'blue state' terms, that's simplistic and doesn't begin to include the individual ideas and beliefs of our great state.

Ah...whatever...I'm repeating myself and like I said, I'm tired of defending my home state and town. Let the rest of the country buy into their predjudices. If they want to wallow in their ignorance, then let them.

BamBam-31
October 13, 2005, 01:51 AM
Yeah, but why is it that we as Californian gun owners have to put up with this kind of ignorant drivel? Imagine, if you will, living in California as an avid gun owner and supporter of the 2nd. People around you start eyeing you with suspicion, asking, "Why on Earth would you need a gun, let alone a couple dozen?" You have to be up to no good, right?

So you turn to THR for refuge and fellowship with those of like mind, only to have those "friends" turn on you and paint you with a broad Kali-this Kali-that brush. Maybe it's because they're as frustrated with our politicians as we are. Maybe they live in an ugly sister state and act out their sense of inferiority accordingly. Or maybe they're just plain ignorant and immature.

Whatever it is, it's really sad. In "Free America," there's no stigma attached to gun ownership, at least not like it is around here. So it's harder for us Californians to be "one of us," and yet that's precisely what we are. For others of us to ridicule us simply because we're Californian is bitter irony, not to mention counter-productive to our collective cause as gun owners.

So go ahead and have your fun. Compare us the the French. Call us fruits and nuts and any other original Kali stereotype you wish. Tell us over and over again we're the state with the worst gun laws when in fact we are not. Maybe if you say it enough, we'll believe it, eh? Or not. You see, we're used to this kind of ignorant stereotyping being forced down our throats--we just don't expect it from our own.

Frankly, aside from Corriea's most excellent post, I find no humor in this thread at all. Quite the opposite, really. The rampant Cali-bashing--and the lack of any attempt to curtail it--is really turning me off to "The High Road." :(

Nematocyst
October 13, 2005, 02:07 AM
Frankly, aside from Corriea's most excellent post, I find no humor in this thread at all. Quite the opposite, really. Bam, reasonable points. I feel your pain.

Consider this: 1) the state I currently live in (subject to change at any second due to my nomadic status) is due north of yours; 2) my state regularly gets tagged for being too 'hippie' (what ever that means these days); 3) only the western 1/4 of my state could qualify for #2, with the eastern 3/4 decidedly 'red' with big, open desert skies {i get SO tired of red state/blue state comparisons :barf: ; people, read my lips: in the bigger scheme of things, red v. blue is irrelevant}.

If these two states, along with MillCreek's 'state' (WA) were to collaborate, we could secede (ok, only a fantasy; so shoot me).

Only thinking out loud. No truth implied.

On the upside, today, i handled both a Ruger GP101 & SW 686, one of which - in .357 with 3" barrel - will be my next handgun.

Nem

Oldtimer
October 13, 2005, 10:38 AM
I just QUIT as a member of some other gun-related forum, due to all of the California bashing! For the longest time, I tried to be reasonable, by posting that I would NEVER bash anyone elses state, but that only got me lamblasted with insults!

I'll continue to adhere to my personal convictions, for it does NO good to bash anyone, or bash the state that they live in. Don't misunderstand me, for I know that SOME of your "kind" words about California are meant for nothing other than humor, but even humor can cut very deep!

Yes, I am TOTALLY disgusted with the way California has eroded through the years, but I'm not going to abandon the ship! Two of my closest friends did, by moving to Arizona....but both have returned to California!

I've visited all of the states, except Alaska. They ALL have their fair share of undesirables!
They also have their fair share of wonderful people, too! This is a wonderful country, and there is NO doubt in my mind that this country will continue to be blessed by God!

If you consider the fact that there are VERY few Americans that are LEAVING this country to set up residency in other countries....and that there are literally MILLIONS of foreigners flooding INTO the USA, that should spell out how great this nation is.....STILL!

As for a "split", making California two separate states, that will NEVER happen! And, I certainly hope that our nation won't be divided AGAIN, as it was in the Civil War! I am, firstly, an AMERICAN, and secondly, a Californian. Having been to YOUR state at one time or another, I liked it! It was a part of the USA, and YOUR state had some very wonderful people in it! Well, believe it or not, California ALSO has some WONDERFUL people!

About the only thing that I can add is that the pendulum swings in two different directions, and I have seen it in the "right" direction in California. While it is currently stuck in the "wrong" direction of swing, I've also seen some very interesting indicators that tell me that the pendulum is about to swing back toward the "right" direction! Sorry for the rant, but that's how I feel! Bash away, if you want!

Byron Quick
October 13, 2005, 11:19 AM
Bash away, if you want!

I don't want to bash you or any Californians.

Except your legislators, Congressmen, and Senators. Most of them.

eclipse1
October 13, 2005, 01:35 PM
amen brother!!! :(

M-Rex
October 13, 2005, 01:39 PM
My idea of happiness is Bill Lockyear's photo on the side of a milk carton.

BamBam-31
October 13, 2005, 02:00 PM
I don't want to bash you or any Californians.

Well, Byron, as a Moderator, what have you done about those that have? Seeing floats warning against "HATE" threads because they inevitably end in flame wars, and seeing how most Cali-bashing threads degenerate into something similarly uncivil, what have you done about it? My guess is nothing.

Correia
October 13, 2005, 02:29 PM
Bam Bam, in all honesty, I'm a native Californian, and I'm a little touchy about people bashing Californians in general, (try being a Californian that moved to Utah sometime!)

However the vast vast vast majority of the time when people on this board insult California, they aren't talking about you, or the guys like you, they are talking about your idiot politicians, and the horrible state of your laws, and the majority of morons that manage to elect those politicians.

If you have a particular post that you think is over the line, use the report this post function and it will get a Mods attention.

No_Brakes23
October 13, 2005, 04:38 PM
I am not on Calguns, cause they post mean teasing pictures like this:

http://www.calguns.net/images/homepic.jpg

Just kidding. I actually hadn't heard of it yet.

Brian Dale
October 14, 2005, 12:20 AM
BamBam,Yeah, but why is it that we as Californian gun owners have to put up with this kind of ignorant drivel?+1

Of course, the same joke would work if it were about "the world" and "politicians." As I read it, the original post was taking a shot at politicians, not at you.

Byron Quick
October 14, 2005, 01:21 AM
We moderate the way in which members express themselves. We moderate attacks on members.

To date ridiculing states is not considered to be a violation of forum rules, as long as it remains civil derision.

Have I done anything to stop members from criticizing California? No. Have I done anything about members attacking other members as individuals? Yes. Have I done anything about members expressing ideas in language that is not civil? Yes.

I really don't think you're going to get what you appear to want from the moderators. Members can express their opinions about governments and locales as long as they do so in a civil manner.

Criticism is not bashing.

Beetle Bailey
October 14, 2005, 05:04 AM
Members can express their opinions about governments and locales as long as they do so in a civil manner.


Fair enough.

I've seen members call for boycotts on the entire state of California, as well as any gun companies that do business here. I've seen members post comments that have no apparent value other than possibly to vent rage. Makes me wonder what kind of miserable person needs to log on to a gun forum simply to rant. :scrutiny: I've seen members post comments I would consider to be a "stab in the back" to all gun owners in California. I mean, it doesn't hurt, since these people usually show themselves to be childish and immature, but it tells you where you stand with your fellow gunowners. I've seen members taut California gun owners with guns/magazines that are no longer legal to purchase in California. :scrutiny: Now, I'm not asking the moderators or anyone else to get these members to stop. All I'm saying is, it gives you insight into some of the members' thought processes.

I joined the NRA last year mainly to help make sure the so called AWB was not renewed. The sunset does very little for me, but I wanted the rest of the country to be free. I don't mean to try to pad my resume by saying I was responsible for the sunset, I'm just saying that I thought something was wrong and I tried to do my part (however small) to make it better. It's a little disappointing when THR members who should be the cream of the gun owning crop can contribute nothing better than ":cuss: California :cuss: Just leave :barf: When's that state gonna fall into the ocean :banghead: I have CCW you don't :neener: It's your fault you're outnumbered :cuss: I like to do :neener: to other gun owners; it makes me happy to taut people" etc.

I suppose that isn't uncivil derision but I think it is rather immature, and more to the point, useless.

Byron Quick
October 14, 2005, 07:14 AM
And, I agree with you. It is childish and immature. I won't move to California or even visit. For I'm not going to change my habits and I'm a felon as far as your legislature is concerned. But, if I was born and raised there, I'd probably stay and try to change things.

R.H. Lee
October 14, 2005, 12:01 PM
As a native Californian, I'm not about to go anywhere else. Nor will I cry about 'victimization'. So you all in the so-called 'free states' can bash away to your hearts content. Just remember those so-called 'free states' are part of the Union, and subject to restrictive federal firearms regulation, which is inevitable.

You'll be crying soon enough.

BamBam-31
October 14, 2005, 05:51 PM
But, if I was born and raised there, I'd probably stay and try to change things.


And you'd probably be as irked by all the Cali-bashing sentiments as the rest of us. Forgive me if I come off as being a bit touchy on the subject--last nerves have a funny way of being overly sensitive.

Yes, the original post was aimed in jest only at Californian politicians, and for the most part this particular thread has stayed true to that. However, threads of this nature inevitably invite Cali-bashers to come in and dogpile on. That's when you get the "CA is a bunch of loonies, nuts, and fruits," or "We'd be better off if the Big One broke off CA and sank it in the Pacific," or "We have AK's, AR's, standard caps, no wait period, etc. Neener, neener, neener." Those comments are directed at me. One of my favorites is "Move back to 'Free America,'" as if life were predicated solely on gun rights. It's not. Think about it: In which state do you have the most freedom to be whomever you want, say whatever you want, worship whatever you want, etc.? Some WASP state, or CA? And I've got more than enough guns to defend my liberties, thank you. Free America, indeed. :rolleyes:

If you think Cali-bashing consists only (or mainly) of criticisms against CA's body politic, you're wrong. Let's look at the whole elephant, shall we? Posts like Beetle and I have described are plentiful--if you bothered to do a search, you'd find quite a few PDQ. Only thing is, as you've pointed out, it's deemed acceptable, so it never shows up on your radar screens.

Well, I'm here to tell you that it's not. I'm tired of being made to feel like I should be sitting at the back of the gun owners' bus. I'm tired of good men doing nothing while Cali-bashers run their juvenile mouths. I'm tired of Cali-bashing threads turning into immature CA vs. all other states pissing contests. And if you think I'm alone in this, think again. I'm just the dummy putting it in writing.

Sad thing is, this is not the first time I've asked for a modicum of civility towards us Californians, from members in general as well as from moderators, only to be told, "Sorry, dude, but that's just the way it is. Don't like it? Find another sandbox." :banghead:

Man, somebody shoot me. Just a little. Maybe in the other hand, for symmetry's sake. :scrutiny:

Anyways, sorry for the threadjack. Jest away.

Byron Quick
October 14, 2005, 11:10 PM
One of my favorites is "Move back to 'Free America,'" as if life were predicated solely on gun rights.

Leaving guns aside, I don't view California in the same fashion as you do. From my viewpoint, there are many other factors that would prevent me from going there.

Your views are different from my views. I've talked with Californian farmers, ranchers, and businessman. Maybe they were all lying to me. If they weren't lying, there is no way that I would put a business in the state or invest in one that operates there. I see much more to be concerned with in the state than guns. It certainly doesn't appear to be the utopia you describe.

The electricity problem is one example of the problems I see when I look at California. Let's make regulations that make it unprofitable to build new generating plants that would meet the state's electric power needs. This will force our utilities to buy power from out of state producers. Then we can set a cap on what our utilities can charge. Then we can watch the utilities go broke buying electricity from out of state that they can only sell to us at a set price. Then we can blame everyone else but us for the mess.


I'm not laughing at California or bashing California. The accepted truth that California leads the trends for the entire nation frankly scares the crap out of me. If it is true then the nation's future is probably bankruptcy. California has built an unstable and unsustainable system and seems to be unwilling or unable to change it. I certainly hope that is not the trend that rest of the nation will inevitably follow.

BamBam-31
October 14, 2005, 11:32 PM
Seems to me like we're speaking the same language, yet we're not speaking the same language. :scrutiny:

I never claimed that California is a utopia, Paradise on Earth, paragon and paradigm for lesser states to follow. Perhaps you're responding to a previous poster's comment about the size of California's economy. I merely stated that we have plenty of freedoms here in California; moreso, I'd wager, than most other states. That's why I think it's silly when other posters say they're in "Free America," and we're not. California definitely is not without its own share of problems, however. On that, we wholeheartedly agree.

My posts addressed the poor manner in which Californians in general (and gun owning Californians in particular) are treated by other members in Cali-bashing type threads.

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