Nominee Harriet Miers and her 45


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chestnut ridge
October 10, 2005, 10:34 PM
According to AP; Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers once owned a
45 caliber Smith & Wesson revolver. It was given to her by her brother
because he was concerned about her living alone in Dallas.

I was concerned that she might have liberal views. This information
makes me have hope that she may be good for America.

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Old Fuff
October 10, 2005, 10:35 PM
Well don't let this get out ... The Democrats are going to have a cow as it is ... :neener: :D

Kaylee
October 10, 2005, 10:44 PM
Somehow "she once owned a revolver that somebody gave her" doesn't exactly fill me with confidence. :scrutiny:

I've cut ol' George a lot of slack over the last five years, but at this point, I was expecting to hear a heck of a lot better than "trust me." :mad:

Amusetec
October 10, 2005, 10:47 PM
ccording to AP; Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers once owned a
45 caliber Smith & Wesson revolver. It was given to her by her brother
because he was concerned about her living alone in Dallas.
Ok so does she still own it and does she carry it?
This says nothing about her 2nd
Lots of anti gun libs have guns and CCW lic.
So what does this say :confused: :what:

longeyes
October 10, 2005, 10:49 PM
Has she ever shot it?

Where is it now?

Lone_Gunman
October 10, 2005, 10:52 PM
Dianne Feinstein and John Kerry are both gun owners as well. Are they pro-gun now?

Dianne Feinstein even had a California carry permit.

longeyes
October 10, 2005, 10:54 PM
The thing is we know "the right people" get to pack and are staunch believers in their own safety. The question is always what rights they believe We the People have.

El Rojo
October 11, 2005, 01:45 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,171832,00.html

Records Show Miers Owned Gun

Monday, October 10, 2005



AUSTIN, Texas Supreme Court nominee Harriet Miers, who once owned a .45-caliber revolver (search), is not licensed to carry a concealed handgun in Texas. State officials refused Monday to reveal whether she has ever been licensed.

Miers' brother gave her the Smith & Wesson (search) handgun when he was worried about her living alone in Dallas. Judge Nathan Hecht of the Texas Supreme Court, a longtime friend of Miers', has said she kept the gun for a long time.

State law requires the release of information about license holders but not former license holders, said Pamela Smith, assistant general counsel for the agency.

A person in Texas can own a gun without a concealed handgun license. Texas is one of 43 states that allow concealed weapons, and more than 230,000 residents are registered under the law.

The Texas state archives on Monday released thousands of pages of documents related to Miers' days as chairwoman of the Texas Lottery Commission (search), from 1995 to 2000, and her correspondence with then-Gov. George W. Bush.

A transcript of her confirmation hearing before the state Senate in 1995 indicated that senators asked Miers only a few questions and that her nomination by Bush was generally unopposed.

On the issue of licensing charitable bingo groups, Miers was asked if the Ku Klux Klan (search) could qualify to run a bingo operation. "Well, I would certainly hope not," she replied.

The records indicated that the Anti-Defamation League presented her its jurisprudence award in 1996 for her devotion to the "principles enshrined in the Constitution."

Miers and Bush exchanged several birthday notes and general well-wishes during her lottery tenure. Bush told Miers in a birthday note in 2000, "Have a great life!"

In 1997, Miers sent to Bush a late birthday card featuring a sad-looking dog and the note: "Dear Governor GWB, You are the best Governor ever deserving of great respect!" She added, "At least for thirty days you are not younger than me."

Bush wrote back to wish Miers a happy 52nd birthday, telling her that he appreciated her friendship and that she should "never hold back your sage advice." He ended the note with a postscript: "No more public scatology."

Later that year, in October, Miers wrote a note to Bush saying that she hopes the Bush twins, Jenna and Barbara, recognize that their parents are "cool."
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What I want to know is what "docs" show she owns a gun? I thought there was no registration in this country so how exactly does everyone now know she had a .45 revolver? Was it her judge friend who ratted her out? Someone needs to find out what documents showed she had a gun.

TonkinTwentyMil
October 11, 2005, 04:44 AM
... in another thread, right after she was nominated:

The REAL litmus test (of her views re the 2A) is whether she ever had a Concealed Carry license in Texas.

In fact, since she (a) lived in a pro-gun state like Texas (not exactly New Jersey) and (b) owned a handgun, and (c) apparently never had -- or won't admit to having had -- a CHL, then THAT is even worse.

Why? Because it may well mean she was "scared" of the gun, and/or saw no "need" to fully prepare herself for self-defense and the associated nasty realities of, umm, "taking the law into your own hands." (*cough*)

2A = "Sportsmens' Rights," anyone?

Lovely.

The Judiciary Committee hearing could get real interesting... if any senator there actually has a pair.

Lone_Gunman
October 11, 2005, 08:14 AM
The REAL litmus test (of her views re the 2A) is whether she ever had a Concealed Carry license in Texas.

I don't think that is any kind of litmus test at all. Dianne Feinstein had a California carry permit at one time.

I know many many people in Georgia who are pro-gun and members of the NRA who do not have a pistol permit because of the hassel involved in getting one.

Geno
October 11, 2005, 08:40 AM
It's simple. The elite have guns and permits (or their body guards do). But, as pointed out so effectively in this thread, that in no way, shape or form assures protecting OUR rights. I quite simply am NOT impressed by Mier. I prefer someone with an adjudicating record.

publius
October 11, 2005, 09:19 AM
Has she ever shot it?

Where is it now?
Search this forum and TFL, and you'll find another article which said that someone took her out on a dirt road, and they shot some cans. She was a terrible shot, not surprisingly, given that a .45 hand cannon is not a great choice for a beginner.

The article said it was unknown whether she ever fired the gun again. Don't know where it is now.

Hacker15E
October 11, 2005, 02:04 PM
What's surprising to me is that 'she owned a gun once' is even worthy of news.

Why aren't the news agencies reporting what kind of car she owned?

greyhound
October 11, 2005, 04:58 PM
A person in Texas can own a gun without a concealed handgun license. Texas is one of 43 states that allow concealed weapons, and more than 230,000 residents are registered under the law

Is is just me or do these articles usually sound like there is some sort of "secret mystery" about gun ownership in general and CCW in particular?

I wonder how many people actually know that "43 states allow concealed weapons"?

Bartholomew Roberts
October 11, 2005, 08:25 PM
Well, I would agree that owning a gun is no source of confidence as to their stance on RKBA; but Harriet Miers did write an article for a law review supporting the right to keep and bear arms and specifically acknowledging the self-defense utility of firearms (not just the duck-hunting utility).

This, of course, has already been reported on THR and can be found by a quick search.

Of course a law review article doesn't equate to unflinching support of the Second Amendment; but personally I find it a good omen that somebody who is known for primarily having no opinion at all on many controversial judicial issues of the day has taken the time to speak out in support of RKBA.

BTR
October 11, 2005, 09:26 PM
Saw a quote by her mentioning "the right to bear arms." A search should find the whole thing...

Stevie-Ray
October 12, 2005, 12:01 AM
Dianne Feinstein even had a California carry permit. Sure. She just thinks nobody else should have one. I can honestly say I've never detested a woman as much as she.

GunGoBoom
October 12, 2005, 12:04 AM
Well don't let this get out ... The Democrats are going to have a cow as it is ...

We can only hope...if the Dems make a huge objection to her (fingers crossed), then the Repubs won't go to bat for her - they will abandon since they're so lukewarm about her - with any luck, she'll be shot down. We need to promote her as an ultra-'conservative' so the Dems will get riled up and filibuster. In fact, I just edited my sig to reflect my thoughts.

CAPTAIN MIKE
October 12, 2005, 12:13 AM
Well, either way you slice it, you have to respect the fact it's a .45 instead of some foo-foo caliber. Good for her !!

publius
October 13, 2005, 10:08 AM
but Harriet Miers did write an article for a law review supporting the right to keep and bear arms and specifically acknowledging the self-defense utility of firearms (not just the duck-hunting utility).

That's nice. Self defense is good. Duck hunting is good. But...

NEITHER ONE OF THEM IS WHAT THE 2ND IS ABOUT!

The 2nd isn't about shooting thugs or ducks. IT IS ABOUT SHOOTING SOLDIERS! Invading foreign soldiers, or soldiers from our own federal government, should that become necessary.

Don't believe me? You have not read Federalist 29 (http://thomas.loc.gov/home/histdox/fed_29.html).

were I to deliver my sentiments to a member of the federal legislature from this State on the subject of a militia establishment, I should hold to him, in substance, the following discourse:

``The project of disciplining all the militia of the United States is as futile as it would be injurious, if it were capable of being carried into execution. A tolerable expertness in military movements is a business that requires time and practice. It is not a day, or even a week, that will suffice for the attainment of it. To oblige the great body of the yeomanry, and of the other classes of the citizens, to be under arms for the purpose of going through military exercises and evolutions, as often as might be necessary to acquire the degree of perfection which would entitle them to the character of a well-regulated militia, would be a real grievance to the people, and a serious public inconvenience and loss. It would form an annual deduction from the productive labor of the country, to an amount which, calculating upon the present numbers of the people, would not fall far short of the whole expense of the civil establishments of all the States. To attempt a thing which would abridge the mass of labor and industry to so considerable an extent, would be unwise: and the experiment, if made, could not succeed, because it would not long be endured. Little more can reasonably be aimed at, with respect to the people at large, than to have them properly armed and equipped; and in order to see that this be not neglected, it will be necessary to assemble them once or twice in the course of a year.

``But though the scheme of disciplining the whole nation must be abandoned as mischievous or impracticable; yet it is a matter of the utmost importance that a well-digested plan should, as soon as possible, be adopted for the proper establishment of the militia. The attention of the government ought particularly to be directed to the formation of a select corps of moderate extent, upon such principles as will really fit them for service in case of need. By thus circumscribing the plan, it will be possible to have an excellent body of well-trained militia, ready to take the field whenever the defense of the State shall require it. This will not only lessen the call for military establishments, but if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens.This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist.''

Hamilton wanted to march us all out onto the town square twice a year to check and make sure we had some kind of weapon available, capable of killing SOLDIERS. Not ducks OR thugs. Armed and trained agents of an oppressive government.

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