Man With Bow & Arrow Takes Over Train


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Rockrivr1
October 11, 2005, 11:34 AM
Sometimes you just have to wonder what in the world people are thinking!! :scrutiny:

MONTCLAIR, Calif. In a confrontation reminiscent of the Wild West, police shot and wounded a man who allegedly took over a freight train with a bow and arrow.

Juventino Vallejo-Camerena (search) boarded the Union Pacific (search) train Sunday night as it was stopped for a signal and threatened the engineer and conductor, the only people on board, police Capt. Keith Jones (search) said.

The crew members escaped and disabled the train by turning off fuel switches, then used a cell phone to call police, Union Pacific spokesman Mark Davis said.

"The employees did an outstanding job," Davis said. "Their instincts took over and they did the proper thing by disabling the train."

Vallejo-Camerena was aboard the train in western San Bernardino County (search) when officers arrived. The man cocked the bow and pointed the arrow at officers, who opened fire, Jones said.

Vallejo-Camerena suffered gunshot wounds to the left wrist and forearm that were not life-threatening, Jones said.

He was treated at a hospital, then booked into jail for investigation of train robbery, assault and resisting arrest. It wasn't known when he would make his first court appearance.

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middy
October 11, 2005, 11:41 AM
Vallejo-Camerena suffered gunshot wounds to the left wrist and forearm
They were aiming at the tip of that arrow. That's what happens in an armed confrontation, your attention instinctually becomes completely focused on the weapon that's threatening you. That's why guns and hands get shot so often in gunfights.

Geno
October 11, 2005, 11:51 AM
Think he was "too high strung"? This story sent a "quiver" down my spine. Or, did he get the "point"?

This man had some form of serious problem. Probably, a felon who couldn't get a firearm. What's next, strict bows and arrows?

The wierdest story I have ever seen was the man who held himself captive with a syringe to his throat. As I recall, unfortunately, the police officer who managed to get it away from him did get "poked". Later tests showed he was fine, but imagine his turmoil for the days/weeks he waited for test results.

I'm glad I'm not a cop!

Doc2005

MikeIsaj
October 11, 2005, 11:56 AM
I don't understand, California has all these gun control laws. I thought crime was eradicated there. Why did they shoot him, it was just a bow and arrow? I thought handguns and assault rifles were the only deadly weapons in the world.

Don't tell me the government can't legislate my safety!

Drizzt
October 11, 2005, 12:00 PM
whew... that's a relief. From the title, I was afraid Ted Nugent finally went over the edge. ;)

yorec
October 11, 2005, 01:10 PM
Sounds like all went as well as it could have... Lucky crazy dude too - he could have been shot a little more center of mass!

Gunpacker
October 11, 2005, 01:13 PM
Hmmmm, wonder when the last previous train robbery happened. Anyone know if any occurred since the 1800s?

Standing Wolf
October 11, 2005, 07:16 PM
...booked into jail for investigation of train robbery, assault and resisting arrest.

I think they should probably add aggravated stupidity to the list; I'd also wonder whether he's here legally.

El Tejon
October 11, 2005, 07:52 PM
So stupid, moronic, idiotic.

How did this not happen in Indiana? :D

Car Knocker
October 11, 2005, 08:14 PM
Gunpacker,

These types of things happen pretty regularly in urban areas. Locks are installed on locomotive doors but the crews often do not use them.

Lonestar.45
October 11, 2005, 08:19 PM
I wonder if ********** will now pass a mandantory waiting period for bows and arrows. Maybe restrict sales to non-felons and those not under protective orders, psychiatric care, etc? Or, like the .50bmg ban, maybe not allow the sale of any bow over a draw weight of 30lbs or something? hehe. :rolleyes:

STW
October 11, 2005, 08:20 PM
"The man cocked the bow and pointed the arrow at officers, who opened fire, Jones said."

How in the world do you cock a bow? I've used one for 35 years and I've yet to cock it.

english kanigit
October 11, 2005, 08:25 PM
The man cocked the bow...
:scrutiny: Ok, sorry. I'll stop giggling now. :rolleyes:

Seriously, they ought to do to him like they did with captured enemy bowmen back in the middle ages. Off with his middle finger!! :evil:

MountainPeak
October 11, 2005, 08:31 PM
Wanta to bet, that Jesse and Frank are shaking their heads?

Kaylee
October 11, 2005, 09:00 PM
From the title, I was afraid Ted Nugent finally went over the edge.

:D


If I recall correctly from a friend of mine once upon a time, railroad Union policy prohibits employees carrying weapons on railroad property. :(

Car Knocker
October 11, 2005, 09:35 PM
If I recall correctly from a friend of mine once upon a time, railroad Union policy prohibits employees carrying weapons on railroad property.

Almost. Not union policy but company policy. Big NO NO! But, going from memory, the rules is very specific in the definition of a weapon (knife, gun, etc). There are a lot of things around a railroad that can be used defensively. And then there were the people that just flat out ignored the rule.

dhoomonyou
October 12, 2005, 09:28 AM
Attention BRADY BUNCH & CHUCK SCHUMER:

We must ban Bows & Arrows!

50 Shooter
October 12, 2005, 11:35 AM
I passed the scene a few hours after it happened, they were just clearing the area. Talked to the crew that had to pick up the Locomotives, said that there were a couple bullet holes/ricochet marks on the front of the Loco.

Everyone has had a good laugh about it, apparently the guy was dressed up like an Indian. He came in through the back door and surprised the crew before they knew what was going on, bet everyone keeps the doors locked now. :rolleyes: This happened at night so I'm sure the crew was checking their eyelids for holes while waiting for the signal to go.

c3006
October 12, 2005, 02:11 PM
So he brought a bow to a gunfight :neener:

thorn726
October 12, 2005, 03:38 PM
what a story!

i still can't believe he pointed the bow at the armed police.

brainless

buzzcut
October 13, 2005, 03:04 AM
I think all crew members on trains, airplanes, and tractor-trailers should be federally mandated to carry concealed firearms.

It would make the USA a little harder to be sucker-punched by a terrorist.



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blume357@bellsouth.net
October 13, 2005, 06:30 AM
Not only was he crazy, he was probably trying to comit suicide. Happens all the time... ready to do away with your self, but don't quite have the nerve? Cause a problem, wait for the cops to show up, point a gun at them.

Seems to have happened in our town a few months ago. Guy gets drunk, threatens his girlfriend with a pistol, she calls cops, he leaves walking down the road. Cops (5 of them )catch up with him and tell him to drop his weapon... he starts shooting at them.. it still hasn't been official reported how many times he was shot... but he was dead.

Car Knocker
October 13, 2005, 01:03 PM
buzzcut,

The problem with your suggestion, while good in theory, is that these people represent a cross section of the population that includes felons, those under restraining orders, alcoholics, those involuntarily commited to mental institutions and released, non-citizens and illegal aliens, etc. Some of these people are federally prohibited from possessing firearms and others are, at best, unstable.

misANTHrope
October 14, 2005, 01:41 AM
"The man cocked the bow and pointed the arrow at officers, who opened fire, Jones said."

How in the world do you cock a bow? I've used one for 35 years and I've yet to cock it.

Could have been a crossbow.

Myself
October 14, 2005, 12:43 PM
I hope this wasn't one of those high cap bows.

Next thing there will be a limit on quiver capacity. :rolleyes:

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