16th century Korean firearms--LOTSA photos!


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Skunkabilly
January 1, 2003, 09:48 PM
As seen at the Korean War Memorial, not necessarily invented by Koreans, but on display at the museum and used during the Choson dynasty.


Korean arrows. Note the message arrow, exploding arrow and fire arrow. Who needs an Estes kit to have a little fun?
http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/arrows.jpg




Cask bombs. Loaded with explosives, one of these launched at you can really ruin your day.
http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/caskbombs.jpg

A pre-ban crossbow with pistol grip, flash suppressor, bayonet lug, fore-grip and detachable box magazine. Because there is no Sarah Brady in Korea.
http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/crossbow.jpg



A primitive tactical SWAT ladder.
http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/ladder.jpg

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Skunkabilly
January 1, 2003, 09:50 PM
Some more.


Primitive art(illery). Note the resemblance of the mortar with modern guided missiles.
http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/mortar1.jpg



A towed multiple rocket launching system. This one is loaded with shorter flechettes.
http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/mrls1.jpg


Another MRLS, loaded with propelled arrows.
http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/mrls2.jpg

NK spy gadgets.
http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/nk_spygear2.jpg


All sorts of propelled projectiles. Everything from cannonballs, fire arrows, cask bombs, and an early SCUD rocket.
http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/rockets.jpg

A model of the 'turtle' battleship. The Korean Merrimac of its day.
http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/turtleboat1.jpg


A tutorial on how to disarm and...ahem...control a bad guy
http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/tutorial.jpg

Mods and admins, if this is troublesome, I can delete and post link to my site. Let me know if this ends up draining too much bandwidth.

4v50 Gary
January 1, 2003, 09:50 PM
Wow! Great snap shots. Gotta love that exploding arrow. No Pusan Convention to bar that.

AZTOY
January 1, 2003, 09:58 PM
Skunk

cool picture thanks:)

Redlg155
January 1, 2003, 10:14 PM
Great Pics!

Very nice. I love places like that complete with "Mystery Science Theater" type narrations!:D

Interesting fighting tactics diagram, although going from figure C to D seems to have left out some very important details.

Good Shooting
RED

45R
January 2, 2003, 12:08 AM
Beautiful pictures!!!!!!


Great Job

Blackhawk
January 2, 2003, 12:16 AM
Glad you popped up for air, Skunk. People been askin' 'bout you.... :D

Thanks for the pics!

Yohan
January 2, 2003, 12:29 AM
<------ Korean :-D

I think I've been to that museum before a long time ago.

agony
January 2, 2003, 12:52 AM
Very cool pics, Skunk!

Makes me want to travel...I love museums!

10-Ring
January 2, 2003, 01:27 AM
Great pics Jeff! Thanks for sharing. Did you pick up any cool toys while on your travels?

Gunner45
January 2, 2003, 03:15 AM
Very cool. Thanks for sharing them with us.

Gunner45

Skunkabilly
January 2, 2003, 03:40 AM
Skunk 1, Dog 0:
http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/dog3.jpg



Tee hee! http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/crap.jpg

10-ring, didn't pick up any neat toys. I just packed carryon, so no room for anything. I wasn't planning on doing any buying, just looking. Most of the stuff they sell is cheap knicknacks and junk I don't care for.

Maddock
January 2, 2003, 03:40 AM
Cool pics, thanks.

twoblink
January 2, 2003, 03:50 AM
One of the things I want to try when I am in Korea is the live squid...

Cool Pix..

Bahadur
January 2, 2003, 04:27 AM
Skunk:

Thanks for the great photos! It's been a LONG while since I've seen the stuff!

It's a little known fact, but medieval Koreans were excellent archers, and made quite effective composite bows (before Sinicization, their culture was more similar to that of Manchus and Mongols than Han Chinese). Beneath the layers of Sinicization, one can see vestiges of nomadic horse culture among Koreans (including their pre-Portuguese introduced chili pepper diet).

Anyhoo, when Korea was vassalized by the Chinese, the latter often took huge quantities of Korean composite bows as annual tribute (I guess it rarely occurred to the Koreans to shoot at their enemies with the bows rather than hand them over). :)

Come to think of it, Koreans (their women in particular) do rather well in Olympic archery competitions, often sweeping the top three places.

Still, when the Japanese invaded during the 16th Century, those nifty bows availed them little against firearm-wielding, battle-hardened Japanese army (though of course, the Koreans possessed excellent artillery, fortifications and splendid navy, not to mention a bunch of screaming monks wielding spears).

twoblink:
One of the things I want to try when I am in Korea is the live squid... No need to go all the way there for that!

Schuey2002
January 2, 2003, 05:03 AM
Way to go Skunk. The pics look way cool. Wow, I'd love to get a scale model of that "Turtle Battleship"..

Ok, I have to ask.. Did you get any pictures of KP Swat, Korean Police headquarters or any shots of the "magless" police?..

Also, how were the restrooms at the various airports that you passed through?.. You seem to have a thing for restrooms.:)

Brian,:)

Ron L
January 2, 2003, 09:35 AM
Skunk, glad to have you back. Hope you enjoyed your trip and thanks for the pics. Very interesting, especially the boat.

Leatherneck
January 2, 2003, 09:40 AM
Skunk,
Is that skunk of yours leaving a trail of what I think it's leaving a trail of? :eek:
TC

Kahr carrier
January 2, 2003, 09:53 AM
COOL PICS.:D

4v50 Gary
January 3, 2003, 03:53 AM
Skunk, what's the story behind that tower (the photo with the skunk in the foreground leaving a trail of feces behind it)?

Skunkabilly
January 3, 2003, 04:05 AM
Those are the walls of Suwon, the most tactical city in Korea.

It was an old fortress city, but the walls were kept around for posterity, though the city has expanded way beyond the walls (sprawl, bla bla bla).

You can still walk around the perimeter, and there's a secret entrance, and lots of ports to shoot Mongols, Japanese and North Koreans through.

An archery range in town:
http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/archery.jpg

Exit gates (the photo of me was taken on the far side of this photo, the tower there is the one in the poopie photo background):
http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/gates.jpg

Me looing over the wall to the sprawling city
http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/suwon.jpg

Skunkabilly
January 3, 2003, 04:06 AM
Here's the gates of Seoul

http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/seoul_gate.jpg


And a Korean girl yodeling and playing the accordion. Marry me!!!

http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/polka1.jpg

BigG
January 3, 2003, 08:43 AM
Thanks for the tour. Great photos and captions! :cool:

Griff
January 3, 2003, 09:47 AM
Thanks for the photos, the Kimchi pots almost made me homesick for Taegu.

tobeat1
January 3, 2003, 11:34 AM
That rocks!

Frohickey
January 3, 2003, 12:40 PM
A tutorial on how to disarm and...ahem...control a bad guy

I don't see the part on the tutorial where the bad guy is disarmed... all I see is the sword on the ground. But the arms are still attached. :neener:
And a Korean girl yodeling and playing the accordion. Marry me!!!

But, she's not dressed tactically... and the guy she's with is definitely NOT!

Bahadur
January 6, 2003, 08:12 AM
Skunkabilly:
Skunk 1, Dog 0:BTW, I hope you were joking when you wrote that. You didn't really eat dog while in Korea, did you?

If so, I want you to see this (WARNING: very graphic, not for anyone who loves dogs like I do):

http://www.koreananimals.org/dogs_p5.htm
http://www.koreananimals.org/dogs_p20.htm
http://www.koreananimals.org/dogs_p17.htm
http://www.koreananimals.org/dogs_p16.htm

Rest of the site:

http://www.koreananimals.org/dogs.htm

Having lived in Korea, I am very respectful of Korean culture and in no way seek to impose an American way of life there. But I find the way dogs (and cats) are treated by many Koreans to be extremely barbaric. In Korea, dogs and cats are routinely beaten to death in the most barbaric fashion or eletrocuted repeatedly, often in "out of sight" markets (technically illegall) that are unregulated or unenforced by the Korean government (which is now considering amending its nominal protection laws to allow official consumption).

Yohan
January 6, 2003, 05:15 PM
I find the way dogs (and cats) are treated by many Koreans to be extremely barbaric.

Many? I'm a Korean and I don't eat dogs- How do you explain that? Most people fail to realize that it's only a small minority of people residing in rural areas who actually eat dogs. Way to stereotype :rolleyes: I was born and raised in Korea, so don't even try to argue this point. :cuss: :banghead:

Brian Maffei
January 6, 2003, 06:23 PM
Replace dogs with pigs in those pictures and you have a photo from Anywhere, USA. Cows are slaughtered for your consumption....but then again, they can't do cute little tricks or sit on your lap.:scrutiny:

Bahadur
January 6, 2003, 07:11 PM
Yohan:
Many? I'm a Korean and I don't eat dogs- How do you explain that?I explain that by the fact that many Koreans do not eat dog. Please note that I said "many Koreans" - not all, not even most - mistreat dogs.

Furthermore, presumably you live in the US or you are even a Korean-American. Korean-Americans or Koreans who are very Westernized tend to treat dogs as pets rather than as virility drugs/food.

Having said that, I lived in Korea a long time. I can tell you from personal experience that I've seen a lot of quite brutal mistreatments of dogs in Korea.
Most people fail to realize that it's only a small minority of people residing in rural areas who actually eat dogs.That's the propaganda from the ROK government and sensitive Koreans. I've seen, with my own eyes, numerous dog (Boshintang, literally body protect stew) restaurants in URBAN areas. Before the 1988 Seoul Olympics, the government even ran a campaign to "retreat" the Boshintang restaurants away from "mainstreets" into the background so as to avoid international publicity.

Also, one of the largest dog markets is in Sungnam City - which is clearly an urban area.
Way to stereotypeI do not stereotype. I state what are clearly factual. Note, again, I never wrote "all" or even "most" Koreans. But many Koreans (particularly males) do eat Boshintang. Now, all this is supposed to be illegal (currently dogs and cats are classified as pets, not livestock in Korea), but it is flourishing and is completely unregulated by the government. But, perhaps recognizing the true state of affairs, the National Assembly is currently debating and is set to pass a bill to classify dogs as livestock.
I was born and raised in Korea, so don't even try to argue this point.Well, I lived in Korea for a long time. I also studied there and worked there (with Koreans), not to mentionthe fact that I spent much of my time studying Korean military, political, economic and social issues. I don't think the fact that you were born and raised there invalidate facts nor does it make you the foremost authority on all things Korean.

Bahadur
January 6, 2003, 07:27 PM
Brian Maffei:
Replace dogs with pigs in those pictures and you have a photo from Anywhere, USA. Cows are slaughtered for your consumption....but then again, they can't do cute little tricks or sit on your lap.Let's put it this way. I do not object to consumption of meat - I am not some PETA whacko. While I do not condone eating of dogs (which to me are intelligent pets and human companions, not cattle or pigs), that is NOT what I object to, because I understand different historical and cultural circumstances.

What I primarily object to about Korean dog consumption is the way dogs are treated.

There are instances of over 1,000 LIVE dogs being forced stuffed into a single kennel before the slaughter. These animals cannot even move. All of it is extremely inhumane (see: http://www.koreananimals.org/dogs_p5.htm ).

Some Koreans believe that the extra adrenaline generated by torture provides more taste or virility, so the dogs are often beaten to death with sticks or electrocuted repeatedly. Check out the site I posted and judge yourself - the website is that of a Korean organization that tries to protect dogs.

Compared to how these animals are treated in Korea, our cattle and pigs live in paradise (and yes, because my wife is from a cattle/pig-raising area, which I had many "pleasures" visiting, I am well aware of how these facilities are run, including the "wonderful" odors).

BTW, historically, there is very little evidence that Koreans ate dogs in the distant past. It appears that dog-eating became prevalent during the Korean War when food in general became very scarce (understandable). But what accounts for dog-eating now when Korea is very prosperous? Somewhere, sometime ago a mistaken myth sprang up (no doubt encouraged by those selling dogs for food) that dog meat protects one's health and increases virility (BTW, taking advantage of this myth, some dog peddlers inject hormones/steroids into dog meat).

As Western criticism of this mounted, there has been a reaction of sorts in a fit of nationalistic pride. Many Koreans - even those who do not eat dogs - see it as a Western imperialist cultural pressure. Some college students even "group-eat" at a dog restaurant to show "national pride and solidarity against American cultural imperialism."

The reaction takes two forms. First, they deny - deny the practice as non-existent or "only rarely found in rural areas." Then they cry "cultural imperialism" - as in "this is our tradition and who are you to tell us it is wrong?"

Yohan
January 6, 2003, 09:15 PM
The reaction takes two forms. First, they deny - deny the practice as non-existent or "only rarely found in rural areas." Then they cry "cultural imperialism" - as in "this is our tradition and who are you to tell us it is wrong?"

Who made you an expert on Koreans all of a sudden? :rolleyes:
You keep quoting from that web-site. Can you say propaganda? Try using a neutral source of information. Yes, there are some Koreans who do treat dogs cruelly, but what about the Americans? Have you visited Peta.org recently? Since you loved to quote stuff from that biased Korean web-site, why don't I quote some stuff from PETA.org? :rolleyes:

Chemical company Merisol USA has submitted two testing plans to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) that will kill more than 1,700 animals in obviously cruel and pointless tests.
http://www.peta.org/alert/automation/AlertItem.asp?id=602

From what local residents tell PETA, Yadkin County officials don’t seem to consider their county’s unwanted animals as worthy of anything more than the county landfill.
http://www.peta.org/feat/yadkin/index.html

The difference between you and me is simply the fact that I don't make generalizations based on a single web-site.

With all due respect, I suggest you shut up and get back on topic. Like I said, if you'd like to express your views on this matter, feel free to PM me. Better yet, why don't you contact PETA? I'm sure they'd LOVE to hear your story.

Now- allow us to go back to talkin about guns
:cool:

Skunkabilly
January 6, 2003, 09:25 PM
Sniper Skunky: From a flower shop in the subway system. "He can call me Flower if he wants to."
http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/flowers.jpg

Korean riot cops checking out my tac gear:
http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/riot_popo.jpg

Gyeongbokgung palace:
http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/pavilion1.jpg

Another one:
http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/courtyard1.jpg

Mt Fuji from the plane:
http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/fuji1.jpg

A pagoda in Japan:
http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/pagoda2.jpg

And one of the locals feeding the birds. Awwwwwwww!
http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/girl_birds2.jpg

Yohan
January 6, 2003, 09:32 PM
Nice pictures! What kind of camera did you have?

Skunkabilly
January 6, 2003, 10:52 PM
Guy takes a good picture, and someone has the nerve to ask what kind of camera he uses? Sheesh! :D ;)

Canon G2 Tactical. I shoot both Beretta and Canon...Twoblink's two pet peeves..hehehe

Here's the Korean Skunkabilly. Look how pimped out he is! He has a neck sheath for his cell phone and has a black hat, black shoes, black shirt, pants, jacket, etc!!! He is my long lost Korean brother!!!

http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/pimp1.jpg


An unarmed Korean cop with a shiny white holster:
http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/traffic1.jpg

Bizzy Korean subway:
http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/subway.jpg

I HAD to take this picure
http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/hair_saron.jpg

Shimonoseki harbor
http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/shimonoseki.jpg


Another local feeds the birds. Awwwwwww!
http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/boy_pigeon.jpg

Yohan
January 6, 2003, 11:17 PM
There's a difference between high quality and quality, I think yours is both :cool:

Bahadur
January 7, 2003, 05:13 AM
Yohan:
Who made you an expert on Koreans all of a sudden?Ever hear someone say "What are you, a rocket scientist?" Well, there are times (rare enough, I admit) when the other man responds "Why, yes I am. My name is Werner von Braun. Nice to meet you."
You keep quoting from that web-site.That's because that website is consistent with the experiences I had while in Korea.
Try using a neutral source of information.Like what? The Korean government that keeps insisting that dog-eating is illegal and does not exist in Korea? Or its other incarnation "well, it DID exist, but only in rural areas and it's all going away."
Yes, there are some Koreans who do treat dogs cruelly, but what about the Americans?Well, there are Americans who treat animals badly too. And when the issue of that comes up, I am solidly against those who do so.

What's next? When I criticize Soviet communism, would your apologist response be "Well, there are Americans who are communists too! What about them?"
Have you visited Peta.org recently? Since you loved to quote stuff from that biased Korean web-site, why don't I quote some stuff from PETA.org?Because there is a HUGE difference between PETA's position and mine. As I wrote before, I do not object to consumption of animals or other cultural culinary choices. What I object to is simply the grossly cruel treatment (like repeated electrocutions for more "taste").

http://www.koreananimals.org/dogs_p5.htm

Take a look at the picture and tell me that this is humane. Would PETA say that this is bad? Yes. Would non-PETA people who object to cruelty say this is bad? Yes, again. Despite your rather ill-mannered ad hominem effort to associate me with PETA, the label does not stick.
The difference between you and me is simply the fact that I don't make generalizations based on a single web-site.The difference is that I am not affected by an ethnic "pride" and "sensitivity" that you have and see the reality as it is.
With all due respect, I suggest you shut up and get back on topic."Shut up" does not sound very respectful.
Like I said, if you'd like to express your views on this matter, feel free to PM me.I was about to respond to your more polite PM, but now I won't. I don't respond well to those who tell me to "shut up" publicly while pleading special racial sensitivity in private.

I raised the issue because Skunkability had a picture of a Korean dinner table and seemed to imply that he ate dog meat. If true, I wanted him to know what he funded (the picture is no longer linked, it seems).
Better yet, why don't you contact PETA? I'm sure they'd LOVE to hear your story.Ad Hominem attack again, eh? The KKK probably endorsed Reagan over Mondale. Does that mean some conservative or libertarian who voted for Reagan should call KKK as if the latter is a "comrade" organization?

What little hole were you buried in when I was defending ROK and Koreans in general against unfair racial characterizations and hysterics on this board? Then I make ONE legitimate criticism of Korean society and suddenly I am a stereotyping racist, right? This, by the way, is the reason why I don't post much on Arab-Israeli issues - because, despite my generally pro-Israeli sentiments, one criticism of Israeli policies leads to accusation of "PRO-ARAB NAZI! RACIST! ANTI-SEMITE!" and ad naseum.

New_comer
January 7, 2003, 06:22 AM
Excellent pictures, Skunk! :cool:


I hope you bring your camera to my end of the woods and capture the panorama of the pearly white beaches of Boracay, the majesty of the Banahaw rice terraces, and the grandeaur of the underground river in Palawan... ;)

Skunkabilly
January 7, 2003, 12:43 PM
Philippines is (The Philippines are?) a beautiful country! I went to Manila when I was a kid as part of a Chinese (I was visiting Mom in HK at the time) tour group and was the only one able to get around because everyone there spoke English!

Went to Boracay and got carpet bombed by bats because a boatload of stupid Chinese tourists tought it prudent to wake them. The bats flew over us and um...yeah...when you gotta go. I like to go soon as I wake up, too.

The humidity's a killer, though.

Is the Philippines plural? And is it Ukraine or The Ukraine?? Life's haunting questions....

I want to be Oleg Volk when I grow up!

Betty
January 7, 2003, 01:00 PM
Ohhh.... kay....... :scrutiny:

Yohan, Badahur-
If you want to discuss the morals of eating dogs and/or mistreating dogs, please start your own thread in the appropriate forum. We can, however, remain polite without the "you shutup" and the "what hole were you buried in" stuff.

And Skunkabilly, I want to start seeing more guns in those pics... ;)

Skunkabilly
January 7, 2003, 01:57 PM
Runt...guns? Do these mortars count? They had a Browning BAR, lots and lots of Garands. My roommate said if the NKs attacked he's running to the museum and I'm going to mail him some Enblocs. Lots of 1911s, too, commie SKS and WWII weapons. I figure they're everywhere and folks will be more interested in seeing the Korean mortars and cannons.

http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/mortar2.jpg

http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/mortar3.jpg

Tactical cookies:
http://www.skunkabilly.com/images/asia/crownvic.jpg

When I saw your name on the last reply, I thought "Oh, no she's going to close it as OT (overly tactical)!"

Bahadur
January 7, 2003, 11:48 PM
runt_of_the_litter:
If you want to discuss the morals of eating dogs and/or mistreating dogs, please start your own thread in the appropriate forum.Oh... okay...
We can, however, remain polite without the "you shutup" and the "what hole were you buried in" stuff.Well, he started it first. :)

Skunkabilly:
Lots of 1911s, too, commie SKS and WWII weapons.Any burp guns?
Tactical cookies:The actual (more phonetic) translation of the label is:

Crown Meeting of Chocolate and Strawberry Big Pie

BTW, to see some hilarious Asian Romanization ads, see:

www.engrish.com

(that's "engrish," not "english").

P.S. Recently one imported packet of Kimchi I saw in the states had the label on the back: "No Preservative and No Flavor."

That's right - NO FLAVOR whatsoever! :)

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