Just when I thought that California was the worst state ever


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silverlance
October 11, 2005, 09:36 PM
By MARK JOHNSON, Associated Press Writer
Tue Oct 11, 5:28 PM ET



ALBANY, N.Y. - Online auctioneer eBay Inc. will block the sale and shipment of stun guns and other illegal weapons to New York residents after working with Attorney General Eliot Spitzer, it was announced Tuesday.

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In an investigation that started last year, Spitzer's office found that eBay users were easily able to buy stun guns through the company's Web site. Investigators, posing as ordinary customers, bought 16 stun guns from 16 different sellers on eBay.

The sellers, 14 of whom are from outside New York, are believed to have sold more than 1,100 stun guns to New Yorkers from September 2003 to August 2005, investigators said. Included in the sales were a 900,000-volt Taser International Inc. stun gun valued at $57 and a $400 "Air Taser" that delivers a 50,000-volt disabling shock through darts connected by wires to the weapon.

"You wouldn't want these used in either illegal activities or horseplay," Spitzer spokesman Paul Larrabee said. "Dangerous devices should not be in the hands of those unable to properly use them and you certainly don't want them used in any criminal activity."

EBay was never a target of the investigation, Larrabee said.

New York residents who bid on an illegal weapon will receive an electronic warning from eBay that the transaction is illegal and that any purchase will be reported to authorities.

Anyone bidding on items on eBay has to fill out a registration with the company that includes the bidder's address.

EBay has also sent letters to stun-gun sellers to warn them that the sale of such weapons in New York and other states is illegal.

The company, based in San Jose, Calif., also agreed to suspend retailers who violate New York laws.

Hani Durzy, a spokesman for eBay, said the company has for a long time alerted stun gun dealers of the states in which it is illegal to sell the weapons. He said eBay modified its policy after having conversations with Spitzer's office.

"We have always had a policy that if it's illegal to do off eBay, it's illegal to do on eBay," Durzy said. "We have made some changes and additions to our existing stun gun policy. We want to continue to keep people from doing illegal things on eBay."

New York is one of seven states that ban electric stun devices, Spitzer's office said. The others are Hawaii, Massachusetts, Michigan, New Jersey, Rhode Island and Wisconsin.

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On the Net:

New York Attorney General's Office: http://www.oag.state.ny.us/

eBay: http://www.ebay.com

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Why ban stun guns? If the idea is to discourage would-be muggers, this will only encourage them to choose a more readily available means - like the steak knife from their kitchen. Or are they going to ban those too?

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dasmi
October 11, 2005, 09:51 PM
angerous devices should not be in the hands of those unable to properly use them and you certainly don't want them used in any criminal activity."
Assumption that civilians are unable to use them properly. You make me want to vomit, Mr. Larrabee.

bigun15
October 11, 2005, 10:05 PM
+1

Valkman
October 11, 2005, 10:16 PM
Npoe, sorry, CA is still the worst. Think I'll go shoot the Uzi and the AR this weekend. :D

P95Carry
October 11, 2005, 10:23 PM
Sad tho Don eh - when you and I and others can say that - like, go shoot about any darned thing we like and yet - supposedly in this very same nation, are folks who are being systematically controlled and regulated.

Makes a mockery of the 2A and the constitution.

50 Freak
October 11, 2005, 10:23 PM
Npoe, sorry, CA is still the worst. Think I'll go shoot the Uzi and the AR this weekend.

Really???? I live in Cali, and I think I'm going to shoot my AR, 50 bmg, AK and Fal and Galil this weekend. :evil: :evil: :evil:

Nothing like owning grandfathered weapons.

Valkman
October 11, 2005, 11:24 PM
Funny, I didn't see anything full auto in that list. Here I can have the Uzi loaded going TO the range! :p

mtnbkr
October 11, 2005, 11:28 PM
Nothing like owning grandfathered weapons.
"Grandfathered" is a poor substitute for freedom.

Chris

Dragun
October 11, 2005, 11:44 PM
CA is still the worst because they lead the way in the fight to take away all Americans 2A Rights. fight the good fight every moment.

UberPhLuBB
October 11, 2005, 11:46 PM
"Grandfathering" doesn't apply to "assault weapons."

The only way people in California have "assault weapons" is by being active LEO and having their chief sign off, or to have owned "assault weapons" prior to the ban and registering them with the state. You cannot transfer them to any other individual, not even to your children when you die.

If you have "assault weapons" in California which you didn't have before the ban and which you didn't register with the state in your own name in 2000, you are a felon. :uhoh: Logically, they're yours. Any logical person would never argue inheritance. California, as you'd know if you've lived here, is a very illogical place.

Standing Wolf
October 11, 2005, 11:48 PM
Dangerous devices should not be in the hands of those unable to properly use them and you certainly don't want them used in any criminal activity.

All for the sake of the state's children, no doubt.

mnrivrat
October 11, 2005, 11:59 PM
Dangerous devices should not be in the hands of those unable to properly use them and you certainly don't want them used in any criminal activity.

If you consider the power of authority to be a "dangerous device" , and I think it is - then I might agree .

EddieCoyle
October 12, 2005, 12:08 AM
...after working with Attorney General Eliot Spitzer...
Smells like election time to me.

CA is still the worst because they lead the way in the fight to take away all Americans 2A Rights. fight the good fight every moment.
Amen Brother.

Kim
October 12, 2005, 12:41 AM
Watch Spitzer closely. He is a democratic darling for either governor of NY and he has his eye on the Presidency at some point.

Kim
October 12, 2005, 12:42 AM
Add to that he would be a good candidate for US Attorney general under the next Democratic President. He is extremely anti-gun.

jobu07
October 12, 2005, 12:50 AM
Eliot Spitzer... Next governor of the grrrrrrrrrrreat state of new york... :barf:

I think i'll go shoot all of my evil black, high capacity, folding stocked, bayonette lugged, flash suppressed rifles tomorrow morning! :D That'l make me feel better.

Even though we dont' need grandfathered weapons here in New York, things are going to get worse if something isn't done. My best goes out to our gunny brethren in California. New York is quick on it's way to join you.

Cosmoline
October 12, 2005, 12:52 AM
NJ and HA are both worth than California on the gun law front. NY is pretty bad as well, but NYC tops them all.

waterhouse
October 12, 2005, 03:37 AM
"We have always had a policy that if it's illegal to do off eBay, it's illegal to do on eBay," Durzy said.

You also have a policy that if it's legal for me to own regular capacity mags off ebay it is still a problem to buy them on ebay. :banghead:

The_Antibubba
October 12, 2005, 04:03 AM
And don't forget, EBay is a California-based company. Headed by anti-gunners who give lots of money to Democratic campaigns.

Spitzer didn't exactly have to twist any arms, I'll bet. :mad:

Buck Snort
October 12, 2005, 04:26 AM
Big brother is watching.

JamisJockey
October 12, 2005, 09:56 AM
Npoe, sorry, CA is still the worst. Think I'll go shoot the Uzi and the AR this weekend.

Um, don't you have to register firearms (or is it just handguns?) in Vegas?
:scrutiny:
I'd say that sucks pretty badly.

http://www.lvmpd.com/Permits/Firearm_Registration_.html

Registration of Firearms in Clark County

Title 12 of the Clark County Code requires the registration of firearms capable of being concealed. County Code defines the term “Capable of being concealed” as “any gun, pistol, revolver or other firearm, the barrel of which does not exceed twelve inches in length, from which a dangerous projectile may be propelled by explosives, springs, gas or air as a means of propulsion”.

County Code further defines the term “Firearm” as “any weapon with a caliber of .177 inches or greater, from which a projectile may be propelled by means of gunpowder”; and defines the term “Pistol” to mean “a firearm, the barrel of which does not exceed twelve inches, intended to be aimed and fired with one hand”.

carp killer
October 12, 2005, 10:37 AM
Quote:
Npoe, sorry, CA is still the worst. Think I'll go shoot the Uzi and the AR this weekend.


Really???? I live in Cali, and I think I'm going to shoot my AR, 50 bmg, AK and Fal and Galil this weekend.

Nothing like owning grandfathered weapons.


Try passing them on to your heirs. You will either have to move out or have a tragic boating accident. :p

Valkman
October 12, 2005, 04:28 PM
Um, don't you have to register firearms (or is it just handguns?) in Vegas?

And your point is?

Yes we do (handguns), and it does suck. But we also can drive around with any gun loaded in the vehicle and CCW permits are easy to get. Besides being full auto friendly no more stupid anti-gun laws can be passed by localities - that can only be done at the state level.

So sorry, it's only 100 times better than CA here. I spent 47 years in CA and it's nice to find out what freedom feels like.

Carl N. Brown
October 12, 2005, 04:39 PM
Is there a sunset provision in the California Assault Weapon Ban
or will there have to be a repeal effort?
San Francisco Police Officers Association October 2005 has
a refreshing change in a position on the proposed SF handgun
ban by Michael Nevin, Jr. Southern Station. If common sense
like that becomes more prevalent, there may be hope for CA.
www.sfpoa.org

yorec
October 12, 2005, 04:40 PM
Still only partway there... Step up to another state without even those restrictions and you'll see what I mean.

Nice to breath the fresh mountain air - makes me remember why I don't even like visiting those "other" places. :uhoh:

JamisJockey
October 12, 2005, 04:57 PM
My point is stop throwing stones when you live in an area that has one of the worst gun laws an owner can imagine: registration.
And I hope you don't cruise into North Vegas with that loaded gun....

thorn726
October 12, 2005, 05:11 PM
having read a book about Ebay's founding and how it works, knowing it is a HUGE publicly traded company that did NOT ban firearms until well after it went public and became a slave to wall street=

firearms were just too complicated for them. don't get mad at ebay, get mad at the Gov't for putting too many restrictions on transactions.

if the small group of folks who founded ebay were against firearms, they would have banned them from the start.
also they would most likely have provided more reasons in the book other than simply stating the paperwork started causing headaches.

50 Freak
October 12, 2005, 05:24 PM
Try passing them on to your heirs. You will either have to move out or have a tragic boating accident.

What are you nutz?????

I'm taking them with me. :neener: :neener:

As for eBay, they used to allow a lot of gun sales, that was until they sold their souls to the Venture Capitalist. Who then saw selling guns as a possible liability they did not want to take. So the VC's along with the atty's probably forced eBay to stop allowing gun sales. It was a pure business decision. Limit liability, especially if you have deep pockets.

I used to work at the firm that represents eBay.

Valkman
October 12, 2005, 08:53 PM
My point is stop throwing stones when you live in an area that has one of the worst gun laws an owner can imagine: registration.

Having lived there 47 years and knowing how bad it is I'll throw all the stones I want to. Yea, it's REAL bad here. LOL

And I hope you don't cruise into North Vegas with that loaded gun....

I go into NLV all the time with a loaded gun either on me or in my vehicle and it is perfectly legal with a CCW. I go into many casinos, banks, stores and other places too. Man it's bad here! What's next - bring up the "can't shoot on the desert" law trying to make NV sound like CA?

JamisJockey
October 12, 2005, 10:00 PM
Whatever man. You had to register any pistols you have. Kalifornistan sucks, but you had to register guns. When the time comes, they'll be knocking on your door for 'em, sucker.

P95Carry
October 12, 2005, 10:31 PM
Steady folks!!

Jamis - ''sucker''? - come on, not needed!

Fact is no matter where you are - to all intents all our guns (for most part) are ''registered'' in some way - so any ''they'' coming to get them - could be anywhere!

It's all relative.

QuarterBoreGunner
October 13, 2005, 01:09 AM
wow...it's like a race to the bottom!

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