Lake Saint Louis Restricts Replica Weapons


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Jeff White
October 12, 2005, 12:50 AM
So if you're going to point a replica weapon at someone in a theatrical production, you have to get a permit?
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/neighborhoods/stories.nsf/news/story/D8FA9419839F231686257093006845E1?OpenDocument
Strikingly similar: Lake Saint Louis restricts use of replica weapons
Mandy Sheets
Of the Suburban Journals
Wentzville Journal
10/09/2005

LAKE SAINT LOUIS

An incident several months ago has prompted police to take action to restrict the use of replica weapons.

The Lake Saint Louis Board of Aldermen unanimously approved at its meeting Monday a bill that will limit the weapons' use in the city.

Police Chief Mike Force drafted the bill after an incident in March when a Lake Saint Louis police officer confiscated replica weapons from two juveniles.

The 13- and 15-year-old boys were seen waving the weapons in the Schnucks parking lot, located at Lake Saint Louis Boulevard and Highway 40. While the boys were walking along Lake Saint Louis Boulevard, police caught up with the teenagers, who told an officer that the guns were not real.

Force said that the juveniles are fortunate that the officer remained calm during the incident or it may not have ended as peacefully as it did.

The officer apprehended the Glock model 27 pistol look-alike, which Force said was almost indistinguishable from the real weapon. Uniformed officers carry the Glock model 22 pistol, which is the same model, but a larger version. Officers in plain clothes often carry the Glock model 27 pistol.

The replica has the same shape and weight as the real gun and even fits into the same holster. Even the detailing is the same, including the thumb indentations, trigger guard, finger grip and groves on the back. The logos on the side are even similar, but with different lettering.

Force said that the tip of the barrel of the replica weapon is usually painted bright orange, which would help distinguish it from a real weapon. In the case in March, the juveniles had painted the tip black so that it looked more like the real weapon.

Force said that the toy industry is moving away from having weapons that look like replicas and the toys may be painted bright orange instead of black, like the real weapon.

"We know kids are going to play with guns; I played with guns as a kid," Force said. "We just want to make sure that we can distinguish them from the real thing."

The new ordinance does not ban replica, imitation or toy weapons, but states that a person cannot use the weapons for nefarious purposes or as threats to life, limb or property. The replica weapons also cannot be used in a way that would affront or alarm a reasonable person.

Force said that violation of this ordinance could lead to the confiscation of the replica weapons, a citation or jail time, depending on the situation.

Special provisions are made for theatrical performances, which would require a permit from the city.

Force said that he had not received any negative comments from residents or city officials regarding the ordinance and has received much positive feedback.

Alderman Pearson Buell, Ward 3, said that he supports the ordinance because it may help prevent future tragedies.

"We are trying to prevent more than one tragedy with this ordinanceónot only the family or the person who may get hurt in an incident, but also the officer who would have to live with that situation and possibly question his actions," Buell said.

Force said that now that Lake Saint Louis has limited the guns, he is urging similar action from other members of the Missouri Police Chiefs Association, an organization of police chiefs that Force was president of last year.

Force said officers from the St. Louis Police Department had an incident in April that ended fatally. A man waved a BB gun that appeared to the officers to be a .22-caliber pistol and officers shot and killed him. Force said that he hopes this ordinance being in place will prevent anything similar from happening in this area.

"Ultimately, we want parents to be aware of the purchases they make for their children and how they will be used and if they could potentially be dangerous," Force said. "We want to prevent any misuse from happening because if someone gets injured, then it's too late."

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Mongo the Mutterer
October 12, 2005, 09:58 AM
Jeff, I live about four miles from LSL.

I have to ask myself, if I was CCW and was confronted in a threatening way by these young idiots. what would have happened?

Not a nice question, and I don't like the answer much, especially if the teen drew down on me.

El Tejon
October 12, 2005, 11:21 AM
:confused: And this ordinance will address . . . criminal stupidity???

The children of Saint Louie need government to tell them not to be stupid? I thought that's what parents were for? :confused:

Henry Bowman
October 12, 2005, 11:28 AM
I thought that's what parents were for? Government-funded studies have shown that many parents do not possess the necessary training to engage in this activity. Therefore, it is best left to trained professionals.

bogie
October 12, 2005, 11:48 AM
It's very interesting, in that is one of very few Schnuck's markets that I _know_ is not posted against concealed carry.

rick_reno
October 12, 2005, 11:54 AM
The obvious solution is to handcuff our children and make it impossible for them to play with toy guns.

Mongo the Mutterer
October 12, 2005, 12:57 PM
the juveniles had painted the tip black so that it looked more like the real weapon.This part of the story bothers me a lot. We have an Airsoft Glock 17 at home. Good practice, my 16 yr old daughter has fun with it, as we all do.

Orange tip on the barrel. It should qualify as a "toy" if anyone sees it.

These idiot kids coloring the tip puts them in peril from anyone who may be armed. The 13 year old boy probably would not appear to be a threat to me, but I know some 15 year olds who appear adult. Them together in a playing situation it would not appear to be a threat, but it depends on the situation.

An ordinance is not the way to go. The kids should have been either taken home by the Police or held at the Police station. A parental interview should have sufficed.

Rezin
October 12, 2005, 04:39 PM
The kids around here paint them to look uneliveably real. I mean they add flaws, scuffs and more. Some have realistic bluing too.

I ahve seen a few that would fool me from a few feet away. These kids are toting these things around everywhere. One local store sells what seems like hundreds of different models. ALWAYS packed with kids too.

This is trouble waiting to happen.

Standing Wolf
October 12, 2005, 06:51 PM
The children of Saint Louie need government to tell them not to be stupid? I thought that's what parents were for?

You're assuming they have parents. Is that a reasonable assumption?

Mongo the Mutterer
October 13, 2005, 07:37 AM
Yep, Standing Wolf, in that area of STL they have parents... Quite affluent.

Maybe the parents are working two jobs to make the payments on the dual SUVs, but they have parents...

iapetus
October 13, 2005, 10:04 AM
The new ordinance does not ban replica, imitation or toy weapons, but states that a person cannot use the weapons for nefarious purposes or as threats to life, limb or property.

Does that mean it is OK to use a weapon for nefarious purposes or as threats to life, limb or property, as long as it is a real weapon?

"How dare you insult my honour by trying to rob me with a toy gun!"

CentralTexas
October 13, 2005, 11:06 AM
A Protective Order served on G.I. Joe after rough housing with Barbie led to a complaint from parents groups.
A confiscation of an Eazy-Bake oven for operating without a food service.
Etc
Etc
Etc
Try parenting for a change will ya????
:scrutiny:
CT

Camp David
October 13, 2005, 11:14 AM
Time for a massive Civil War reenactment in Lake Saint Louis!

10,000 Union and Confederate reenactors, all armed with .58 cal Springfield and Enfield muskets, along with assorted side arms, cannon, and swords...

Arrest us all Lake Saint Louis Board of Aldermen! Put all 10,000 of us in your prisons....

Arrest our wives, children, and our cavalry horses too! :evil:

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