[C-grunt]

I am buying a SA M1A Scout in a couple months and I was wondering what kind of accuracy I can expect given I use good ammo and I do my part.

Also, I want to put a scope on it but I dont want a foward mounted one. Where do I find the base piece that goes over the action? What is thet piece called?

[BamBam-31]

I'd say you can expect 3-4 MOA, maybe better with match ammo.

The scope mount most often recommended for the M1a is the A.R.M.S. mount and rings. They're pretty pricey, but they're high quality and low profile. I'm sure they're available at www.fulton-armory.com. Someone else will probably chime in with another source.

[demusn1979]

3-4moa i can get with my ak,an m1a should do better than that. :cool:

[iamkris]

My M1A Loaded does a hair over 1 MOA with my match loads, iron sights. With surplus I get closer to 2-3 MOA.

[30Cal]

3MoA is about average, sometimes 2 or better depending on your luck. I owned a standard M1A and it would shoot 2.5 MoA regardless of what you fed it. My match M1A shoots pretty much anything with a decent bullet inside of 1MoA.

[geekWithA.45]

My scout squad shoots about 3, give or take, with decent milsurp.

3-4moa i can get with my ak,an m1a should do better than that.

AK vs M1A rifle duel @ 1000 yards, anyone? ;) :neener:

[66gt350]

AK vs M1A rifle duel @ 1000 yards, anyone?

Sure...count me in. But I get the M1A!!! :neener: :evil:

[Mannlicher]

Using Portuguese Mil Surp ammo, or Lake City , my SA M1A Loaded, with the iron sights, will group at, or just under, an inch, all day long. Three shot groups, 5 shot groups, a full magazine. If I do my part, the rifle is dead on.
My SA Socom will do darn near as good, with the 16 inch barrel. The SOCOM currently has an EOTech holo sight, mounted in the forward position.
I am not even that good a rifleman. These are accurate rifles.

[AK103K]

3-4moa i can get with my ak,an m1a should do better than that.
Depends on the M1A and your ammo. Allowable mil spec for ammo is usually 3 moa, so even with a match gun, your only as good as your ammo. I have a match AR that will shoot my reloads into one little hole and the same gun will shoot 2-3" groups with LC ball.

I used to have an early, standard grade Bush rifle that was very accurate and with good ammo would shoot 2" or less at 100 yards. My SOCOM doesnt shoot as well as my Bush rifle did, but its iron sights are really not meant for precision shooting. The front sight is way to fat and meant for close up fast shooting. It and my one AK, both with an Aimpoint mounted, are pretty much comparable accuracy wise.

[saltydog]

My M1A (late 80's model Springfield with Leatherwood ARTII Scope and Smith mount) shoots right at 1.5" group at 100 yards with the Portugese 147 grain and just right at 1" group with the 168 grain Federal Gold Medal Match. I consider that good for a standard grade M1A. :D I did find that when I use the old Lake City 173 grain Match ammo, it would shoot about a 6 inch group at 100 yards and I don't know why! :confused:

[Peter M. Eick]

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/eickpm/nm_target.jpg
National Match, 50 shots, off the bench, open sights, 100 yards.

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/eickpm/sm_targets2.jpg
Super Match, 50 shots per target, off the bench, with the scope, 100 yards.


I think they are more accurate then most folks give them credit for.

[odysseus]

With good ammo benched, you should be inside of 2 MOA @ 100. I think 2-3 is a good running number for your typical SA m1a Scout depending on your choice of ammo and variations, and factory SA tolerances as they are.

[demusn1979]

AK vs M1A rifle duel @ 1000 yards, anyone?




now that wouldn't be fair!

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/demusn79/th_Im000436.jpg (http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/demusn79/Im000436.jpg)





maybe if we even the field.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/demusn79/th_IM000401.jpg (http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/demusn79/IM000401.jpg)
:eek:

[varoadking]

I am buying a SA M1A Scout in a couple months

Why the Scout? The Standard is a superior platform...IMHO, of course...

[artherd]

Hey, your bipod is on backwards! :neener:

AR-10, great gun. How do you like it?

[MaceWindu]

Peter

Bravo Sir! Bravo!

MaceWindu

[demusn1979]

i luv my armalite ar-10




http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/demusn79/th_Im000404.jpg (http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/demusn79/Im000404.jpg)
:D

[30Cal]

... and just right at 1" group with the 168 grain Federal Gold Medal Match. I consider that good for a standard grade M1A. I did find that when I use the old Lake City 173 grain Match ammo, it would shoot about a 6 inch group at 100 yards and I don't know why!

The 173gr match is pretty hit-or-miss stuff. Some batches are decent, some are hardly better than M80 ball. The bullet is definitely not match quality--they vary in weight by over 1.0grs.

Ty

[Carnitas]

Out of the box my shot 4 to 5 inches with surplus ammo. The rear sight was loose. Tighten that up got me to 3-4...maybe 2-3 with match ammo. The front sight on my gun was very tall and required the rear to be very tall which wasnt as consistent, so I filed the front down so the rear would be at a more stable level that helped a little. It still wasnt where I wanted it so I put in a National Match recoil spring guide rod, shimmed the gas cylinder, and tightened the brake which was a touch loose. Now it will shoot into 2 inches with surplus.

Here's the best I've been able to shoot with it.
http://pweb.jps.net/~ot/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/image0012.jpg
Since I shot this I've adjusted the site so I can actually hit the quarter. ;)

[saltydog]

The 173gr match is pretty hit-or-miss stuff. Some batches are decent, some are hardly better than M80 ball. The bullet is definitely not match quality--they vary in weight by over 1.0grs.


That is interesting. I did not know that. You would think that all of it would be accurate since it was made for the military but the stuff I have really sucks. I don't know if this is true or not but I had a gunsmith tell me that if I would re-seat the bullet that the accuracy would come back. He said it had something to do with the way the round is water sealed. Just don't know. The stuff is still not cheap to purchase.:confused:

[C-grunt]

Im buying the Scout because Im getting it from a friend. He has barely fired it for he doesnt like it. Ive seen him shoot it and it was accurete but he never shot groups to see accuracy.

[USSR]

...I had a gunsmith tell me that if I would re-seat the bullet that the accuracy would come back.

saltydog,

The bullet is waterproof sealed in the neck using an epoxy-like substance which plays havoc with bullet release upon firing. If you simply use your seating die to seat the bullet just a little bit deeper, thereby breaking the seal, you may find a bit better accuracy. However, having played with these bullets myself, they have some problems regarding their construction, and you will never get them to shoot with a quality HP bullet such as the Sierra MatchKing.

Don

[saltydog]

and you will never get them to shoot with a quality HP bullet such as the Sierra MatchKing.


Thanks Don, really nice to know what is going on with the Lake City Match Ammo. :D