(NJ) Corzine loses lead in governor's race


October 12, 2005, 01:54 PM
Do we dare hope?

Corzine loses lead in governor's race
By Donald Lambro
October 12, 2005

New Jersey's governor's race, once considered a Democratic lock, is now in a dead heat with four weeks to go before the Nov. 8 off-year election, a new independent poll shows.
Republican business executive Doug Forrester has gained significant ground on Democratic Sen. Jon Corzine, whose once double-digit lead has dwindled to a 44 percent to 43 percent statistical dead heat, according to a WNBC/Marist poll of 600 registered voters.
"What was supposed to be a coronation is actually turning into a bloody duel. Two weeks ago, I had Corzine ahead of Forrester by seven or eight points, so there isn't a doubt in my mind that this latest poll is accurate," said independent pollster John Zogby.
In a state where nearly two-thirds of all voters are either Democrats or Democratic-leaning independents, the poll showed Mr. Forrester taking 20 percent of the Democratic vote and one-third of the independent vote.
The Forrester campaign yesterday said the poll shows that Democratic corruption and scandal was a major factor in the race, as well as property taxes, issues that Mr. Forrester has been hitting hard in his campaign ads.
"These polls are tracking our internal polls. It's corruption, it's property taxes, it's Jon Corzine's connection to our former disgraced Governor Jim McGreevey and former disgraced Senator Bob Torricelli," said Sherry Sylvester, the Forrester campaign's communications director.
"Even in this bluest state, it's a perfect storm for Republicans," she said.
Mr. McGreevey resigned the governorship last year after he admitted having a homosexual affair with a top aide. Mr. Torricelli dropped out of the 2002 Senate race fewer than five weeks before the election amid an ethics scandal. His replacement, Frank R. Lautenberg, defeated Mr. Forrester.
The poll found that 41 percent said Mr. Forrester would do the better job "cleaning up government corruption," compared with 36 percent for Mr. Corzine.
"This is not good news for the Democrats that voters don't trust them as much. This could be the political shocker of the year," Mr. Zogby said.
The only other gubernatorial race is in Virginia, where Republican Jerry W. Kilgore is in a tight race with Democratic Lt. Gov. Timothy M. Kaine.
A statement by Corzine campaign spokesman M. Allyn Brooks-LaSure yesterday dismissed the decline in the polls.
"There's strong evidence that Jon Corzine's popularity is improving as the campaign continues."
The campaign attacked Mr. Forrester for displaying a "negative and pessimistic attitude" about New Jersey.
The latest evidence that the race was dead even followed a recent Quinnipiac poll showing Mr. Corzine's once seemingly insurmountable lead had evaporated, putting him just four points ahead of his Republican rival

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October 12, 2005, 02:04 PM
Don't worry.

If it looks like Corzine is going to lose, they'll swap in a new candidate at the last minute, just like they did with Torricelli & Lautenberg.

Henry Bowman
October 12, 2005, 02:06 PM
Is Corzine a libertarian-conservative or a RINO?

October 12, 2005, 02:11 PM
Corzine's just an extremely corrupt ******* who wants to ban all the remaining guns in the state. That's all you need to know.

October 12, 2005, 02:34 PM
Is Corzine a libertarian-conservative or a RINO? Neither. He's a hard-core Democrat/Socialist. See the second sentance, first paragraph of the quoted article.

October 12, 2005, 02:47 PM
He's a hardcore socialist pretending to be a politician. His opponent is a RINO, but a true Democrat disguised as a Republican would be a massive improvement. NJ would still suffer, but a step in the correct direction nonetheless. Corzine wins if people don't vote. Forrester might win if people get out of bed on Nov. 8th.

October 12, 2005, 02:47 PM
Corzine is a billionaire socialist. Not only is he funding his own campaign, but he is funding the campaign of Virginia Lt. Gov.Timothy M. Kaine.

Forrester is only a multi-millionaire.

October 12, 2005, 02:55 PM
Thank god.. maybe our terrible gun laws will finally be revoked.

Henry Bowman
October 12, 2005, 03:05 PM
:banghead: Sorry. I meant Doug Forrester. How is he on guns?

October 12, 2005, 03:17 PM
I would like to refer anyone to my post about Corzines ban on the FN five-seven "assault pistol".


It will give you a look at the uneducated manerisms of his party.

October 12, 2005, 04:04 PM
I meant Doug Forrester. How is he on guns?

Who knows.


He's pro-abortion, if that means anything to ya.

When he ran in 2002, there was this exchange during a debate:


October 28, 2002

SEN. FRANK LAUTENBERG: I want Doug Forrester to tell you how he feels about guns in our society, about drunks on the road, about how he contributed to our peace and security in his 49 years.

DOUG FORRESTER: The best thing I did in terms of national security is get rid of Bob Torricelli. (Cheers and applause) secondly... secondly, the most important thing I did in terms of guns and I campaigned constantly about the enforcement of gun laws, to make that we take guns out of the hands of criminals. To make sure that we have who use guns in crimes going to jail.

SEN. FRANK LAUTENBERG: How about automatics? Semi automatics. He says he doesn't care if the...

DOUG FORRESTER: No, now it's time for my question. Now it's time for my question. Why did you vote seven times against the death penalty for terrorists?

Oh yeah, re: NJ polling...

Only one poll has Forrester up, and only up by one point. All the others have a 8-12 point lead for Corzine.

October 12, 2005, 04:09 PM
I emailed him to inquire about his position on guns and all I got was put on his email list. He understands the issue, but like the previous Republican candidate, is afraid to discuss it. Hence, the problem with RINO's: They might be surprised to find that the masses are a lot smarter than we're given credit for. Hence, the current 30% to 40% voter turnout in NJ erections. No one represents anyone, unless you belong to a union.

October 12, 2005, 04:30 PM
Remember, you can choose not to participate in a New Jersey election, but you can't stop your dead relatives from voting.

October 12, 2005, 05:52 PM
Corzine will be replaced at the last minute by Lautenberg.



Standing Wolf
October 12, 2005, 06:41 PM
Has anyone polled the dead in New Jersey?

Henry Bowman
October 13, 2005, 09:50 AM
Has anyone polled the dead in New Jersey? Stepping in for Preacherman...

"The cemetery poll shows both candidates locked in a dead heat."

October 13, 2005, 10:04 AM
Let's put it this way. Everyone knows who George Soros is, correct? Corzine being elected is about the closest thing we would have to Soros being Governor.

And as far as Forrester's position on guns: Now is not the time. It's really not. Why? Because to be elected in New Jersey, one cannot be pro-gun. The state is well indoctrinated into anti-gun, anti-self-defense groupthink/propaganda. It elicits an unpleasant reaction for a candidate to state otherwise, so it's better the issue not come up at all.

October 13, 2005, 10:41 AM

Hence, the current 30% to 40% voter turnout in NJ erections. :what:

Not sure if that is a typo or not. Kinda true considering politics today. :rolleyes:

October 13, 2005, 10:52 AM
30-40% is high for NJ.

The 2002 election, which presented the serfs of NJ with the opportunity to wipe the legislative slate clean and start over, had a massive voter turnout of .....25%.

They didn't even mount a TOKEN voter revolt, and in fact, increased the Dem majority.

It was the VERY NEXT MORNING that I confirmed and finalized my tentative decision to pack up and move.

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