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Malice
October 12, 2005, 06:16 PM
I know a lot of High-Roaders consider NPR to be a liberal mouthpiece, and it is lef-leaning to be sure. But I am a huge fan because it is the best source of non-commercial news in the country.

Anywho, they had a nice piece titles somthing like Firearms Cast in New Light in Wake of Katrina.

I think the host did a nice job at being fair and balanced, and he may have even been leaning towards pro-gun!

One quote I liked in particular, someone they were interviewing said

"If ever again, a politician looks you in the eye and with a straight face tells you you dont need a gun because the governemnt will protect you, just say "Remember New Orleans.""

It was a good piece and I think it goes to show that most anti's i n the US are simply ignorant, and with good, high-profile evidence they can be swayed, at least somewhat.

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Biker
October 12, 2005, 06:20 PM
A fair, even-handed approach to the issue it would seem.
"Remember New Orleans" is a slogan to remember.
Biker

torpid
October 12, 2005, 06:22 PM
Yes, but as we continue past Katrina, more and more of the "need for self-defense" there is viewed as fantasy, rumors, and urban legend.

It's an easy write off for folks these days to say, "Bah, that was just all hysterical hype."

(It must be all fiction- I heard it was all just rampant overreaction on the nightly news that earlier was telling me how bad it was!)

:rolleyes:

Standing Wolf
October 12, 2005, 06:36 PM
...I am a huge fan because it is the best source of non-commercial news in the country.

It's "non-commercial," except it's almost all slanted toward leftist extremism. To call that "news" is to debase the word.

javafiend
October 12, 2005, 06:37 PM
It's "non-commercial," except it's almost all slanted toward leftist extremism. To call that "news" is to debase the word.

That's an accusation. Do you have a rational argument to go along with it?

DonP
October 12, 2005, 07:09 PM
When was the last time Terri Gross interviewed any successful conservative author on Fresh Air?

When was the last time you heard an NRA or GOA representative present the pro-gun side to any gun control argument on Tavis Smiley's show?

In fact who was the last conservative political figure to receive an in depth profile on PRI or NPR? (John McCain doesn't count for several reasons)

How many conservative C&W performers has Garrison Keillor had on Prairie Home Companion just to balance the lefty-folky types or his offhanded cracks about Bush and snide comments in his Guy Noir skits about Cheney?

I could probably go on and on but I'm still reading about how horrible it that Public Television had the audacity to want to balance Socialist Bill Moyers old program with a Wall Street Journal roundtable.

I enjoy NPR for what it is, a counter to other networks, but until very recently, when they put an "evil" Republican in charge, there was no sense of balance in their reporting.

R.H. Lee
October 12, 2005, 07:12 PM
I think the host did a nice job at being fair and balanced, and he may have even been leaning towards pro-gun!
That's only because there's a RINO in the Whitehouse. Once that changes, they'll be back to their old spittle flying hoplophobic selves.

NCP24
October 12, 2005, 07:23 PM
Anywho, they had a nice piece titles somthing like Firearms Cast in New Light in Wake of Katrina.

I think the host did a nice job at being fair and balanced, and he may have even been leaning towards pro-gun! I listened to that report and thought they did a terrific job of discrediting the NRA by down playing the events as sensationalized rumors.

The National Rifle Association is using the experience of Hurricane Katrina to document the importance of guns during a disaster. During the chaos in New Orleans post-Katrina, gun purchases by both civilians and law enforcement swelled. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4956143

Derek Zeanah
October 12, 2005, 09:25 PM
In fact who was the last conservative political figure to receive an in depth profile on PRI or NPR? (John McCain doesn't count for several reasons)Teri Gross did a great interview with Tom McClintock when the CA repubs were deciding who to run in the recall election. The callers were all anti, but the attacks and his responses made him look great.

I've heard the same with Libertarian presidential candidates on her show -- when's the last time they got any air time at all in the mainstream media?

I'm not one to back the choice of programming (Tavis Smiley followed by News and Notes gets old, thanks), but the answer you get really depends on how you define "balanced."

Rob1035
October 12, 2005, 09:32 PM
I like CarTalk, other than that, I just pretty much ignore. Local news is much less biased, more timely, and more localized (duh)

M-Rex
October 12, 2005, 09:42 PM
If ever again, a politician looks you in the eye and with a straight face tells you you dont need a gun because the governemnt will protect you, just say "Remember New Orleans."

That is a very powerful statement. It'd make a good signature line.

The Grand Inquisitor
October 12, 2005, 09:51 PM
I find it amazing that the same people who listen to Sean Hannity and his ilk will rage against NPR for not being "fair and balanced".

NPR may have left leanings, but it is not a leftist mouth-piece and does not take a standardized political stance on every issue, unlike most other political radio on the dial. NPR is the only station where fair and evenly balanced debate (debaters from both sides of a viewpoint) will take an issue and really probe and look at an issue for 20-45 minutes. There is NO WHERE else where you can get that kind of depth of coverage in modern mass consumption radio.

JohnKSa
October 12, 2005, 10:04 PM
A fair, even-handed approach to the issue it would seem.They are not nearly as overtly left-leaning as they once were. In a sense, that makes it worse. You are lulled into thinking that they really are being objective and then you're more likely to swallow their koolaide without thinking about it.

I listen to NPR a good bit. Good news, but you have to keep on your toes.

beerslurpy
October 12, 2005, 10:12 PM
I have found NPR to mostly go out of its way to bring in opposing viewpoints. I dont listen to Praire Home Companion (or Tavas Smiley) because it is rubbish, but I am aware of their bias.

An example:
Fresh Air interviewed some guy who wrote a book about the "republican war on science" and I was like "wow that was a teensy bit biased" then 2 seconds later they brought on some National Academy of Science (I think) guy from I think either this administration or a previous one and he completely rebutted everything the other guy said and recast the problem in terms of scientists who politicize their research. And he wasnt interrupted or treated rudely at all. I felt they had a genuine respect for the concept of debating ideas.

MarketTalk has its share of Clinton administration editorials, but also its share of editorials by people who sound like they are channeling Ayn Rand, so overall I would have to again praise their fairness. The "corporations have a repsonsibility to society" crowd make me want to shoot the radio, but it is balanced out by people who speak out against government intervention in the market, etc. I think they respect people's intelligence and dont try to sway them one way or the other. At least not sneakily.

NCP24
October 12, 2005, 10:14 PM
NPR is the only station where fair and evenly balanced debate (debaters from both sides of a viewpoint) will take an issue and really probe and look at an issue for 20-45 minutes. There is NO WHERE else where you can get that kind of depth of coverage in modern mass consumption radio. Is this a trick statement?

Kurush
October 12, 2005, 11:08 PM
I don't think NPR is intentionally biased, it's just run by arrogant New Yorkers who think times square is the center of the universe. But the thing is they are using federal taxpayer money, not private money and not NYC money.

I find it hard to believe that anyone would deny they have a substantial left slant. The circadial anti-republican rants by Robert Reich are nearly enough by themselves. For that matter I can barely imagine any mainstream news outlet on earth other than NPR having the stones to play opinion pieces from leftist darling and convicted cop killer Mumia Abu Jamal.

I do listen to it, they often have great interviews, but I turn it off when it starts to run thick. Oh and Terry Gross... There is absolutely nobody else on Earth who is as good as she is at seeming interested in the obscure and utterly uninteresting topics she interviews on.

She can interview someone who makes music by bashing the steel plate in his head with a pipe, and make it sound like she's a lifelong fan, listens to it in the shower, and feels honored to finally be interviewing someone she has admired for so long. She's a sort of a James Lipton of obscure art and music but without the creepy gay overtones. It's a bizarre talent, but I have to give her credit, even if I can't stand to listen to it.

Kim
October 12, 2005, 11:29 PM
Fresh air and All thing Considered sounds like they are whispering reporting a golf game. I know they are left leaning but at least I know. It is those who think it is honest intelluctual news that worry me. :scrutiny:

Zundfolge
October 12, 2005, 11:46 PM
I find it amazing that the same people who listen to Sean Hannity and his ilk will rage against NPR for not being "fair and balanced".
Sean Hannity and his ilk are editorialists, they never claimed to be "fair and balanced".

NPR "news" is as biased as editorialists like Hannity, but they claim they are not ... in addition if I don't want to support Hannity I just don't buy Gutter Helmet, but money forced from my wallet at gunpoint is used to fund NPR.

I don't think NPR is intentionally biased, it's just run by arrogant New Yorkers who think times square is the center of the universe.
I think that pretty much sums it up ... their bias is not so much a leftist bias as it is an "East coast elitist academic" bias (which often happens to look and smell like leftist bias).

. Oh and Terry Gross... There is absolutely nobody else on Earth who is as good as she is at seeming interested in the obscure and utterly uninteresting topics she interviews on.

She can interview someone who makes music by bashing the steel plate in his head with a pipe, and make it sound like she's a lifelong fan, listens to it in the shower, and feels honored to finally be interviewing someone she has admired for so long.
You should read her interview with Gene Simmons (http://www.maniahill.com/funny/Gene_Simmons_Terry_Gross_Fresh_Air_02_04_2002.htm) :evil:

As for this particular news story, even a broken clock is right twice a day. :p

javafiend
October 13, 2005, 12:08 AM
In fact who was the last conservative political figure to receive an in depth profile on PRI or NPR? (John McCain doesn't count for several reasons)

Just a couple of days ago I heard an interview with conservative blogger Stephen Dillard (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4951631) of Georgia.

On Oct. 11 NPR's Robert Siegel interviewed former Director Louis Freeh on his new book, 'My FBI.' (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4954665) There's a notorious leftwing extremist for ya.

And then there's Rice Addresses Military Relations in Kyrgyzstan (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4953601). Now there's a story that's committed to leftwing extremism. ;)

On October 11 NPR ran Madeleine Brand interviewing noted leftwing jurist Judge Robert Bork (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4954108) about Miers' nomination.

Here's a story that they ran titled GOP Control of Congress Under Threat. (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4948397) Who did they interview? Former Republican congressman Vin Weber, now an informal adviser to the Bush administration; Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich; and conservative political analyst David Gergen.

On October 11 Terri Gross interviewed Army National Guardsman Jason Christopher Hartley (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4953949), author of Just Another Soldier : A Year on the Ground in Iraq (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0060843667/002-7220568-3282449). And we all know how soldiers are leftwing extremists.

And don't forget that NPR also distributes The Motley Fool (http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=15&prgDate=10-07-2005&view=storyview), a program all about stocks, bonds, investments, capitalism and other leftwing extremist subjects.

And then there's the fact that only NPR has a religion reporter among networks - more evidence of its committment to leftwing extremism. (Source: Ben Kaufman, former president of Religion Newswriters' Association.)

And then there was the Aug. 27 Weekend Edition Saturday when Jonah Goldberg (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4818760), a nationally syndicated conservative writer and editor at large of National Review Online, sounded off on the week's events. Yet more evidence of NPR's leftwing bias, of course.

Here's a story on the Cuban Political Crackdown (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1235865) in 2003. Thursday in Geneva, the U.N. Human Rights commission passed a resolution urging Cuba to allow a human rights monitor to visit the island. The human rights community has refocused its attention on the Carribean island after the executions of three men who attempted to hijack a ferry to Florida earlier this month.

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The problem with NPR is not that it is slanted left or right. Its problem is that it is too centrist. They tend to interview Washington insiders. To get "both sides of an issue," they tend to interview a ranking Republican senator and his Democrat counterpart. For commentators, NPR tends to talk to policy wonks from inside-the-beltway thinktanks such as Brookings Institution, the Center for Strategic and International Studies, and Council on Foreign Relations. Fairness and Accuracy In Reporting (FAIR) studied (http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1180) NPR ís guestlist and found that the radio service relies on the same elite and influential sources that dominate mainstream commercial news, and falls short of reflecting the diversity of the American public.


They do not talk to enough different people. When was the last time that they interviewed Ron Paul, Lew Rockwell, Claire Wolfe, James Bovard, Thomas DiLorenzo, or Vin Suprynowicz? Apparently articulate, intelligent libertarian voices are not permitted on NPR. And when was the last time you heard them interview leftwing intellectuals such Noam Chomsky, Alexander Cockburn, or Tariq Aziz?

If you want to hear true leftwing radio, tune into Pacifica. Check out democracynow.org.

Kurush
October 13, 2005, 12:54 AM
You should read her interview with Gene Simmons :evil: LMAO! Do you have audio? Gene Simmons comes off as a normal 15 year old kid who wasn't born 15 years ago, but some of Terry's reactions are just awesome.

Amusetec
October 13, 2005, 01:24 AM
Hannity and Colmes is bias :what: Isn't juan williams on NPR? do not tell me he is not liberal. No comm. that is becuse we pay for it. I love watching fox sunday I am waiting for brit and juan to go at it. I belive it almsot happened a couple of times I could swear I saw brit start to jump over the table to ring his commie lib. neck :D :D :D
I can not watch Hannity and Colmes becuse I can not stand Colmes and can not afford to keep buying TV's becuse I put a .45 throug it. :D

pendentive
October 13, 2005, 01:49 AM
That interview with Gene is awesome. I do listen to NPR now and then and have heard Terry's show quite a few times. I'd be lying if I didn't say that she certainly does get under my skin...but I figured it was just me.

Would love to get an audio version (to listen to Terry being tortured by Gene). :D

pete f
October 13, 2005, 02:00 AM
there are a lot of reasons to not like some of the older traits of NPR but more recent efforts have seemed to have a better balance.

NPR is quite often the only place to find broadcast coverage of senate and house hearings and other precedings. Nina Totenberg and Cokie Roberts are not shy about giving their view points but they tend to do so with a general knowlege of the topic. I have listened to both of them discuss issues that would allow them to toss barbs around with impunity but have not done so. I have also heard Nina Totenberg interview Orrin Hatch in a manner that I would have said was truely one of respect and freindship.

MPR is tainted by the ongoing association of Bill Kling, who used public monies to develop a private company selling merchandise associated with his MPR radio shows and then sold that company and kept the money (several million dollars) saying that it was his vision that made the shows and the merchandise and therefore the proceeds were his. This was then followed by two funddrives to help pay for the reductions in public financing of his radio stations. A year later his MPR paid many millions and in cash for a Local FM station and recently bought out the one true competetor to his classical music station in a cash offer worth millions too.

Justin
October 13, 2005, 02:11 AM
NPR's programming only comes off as intellectual when compared to people like Sean Hannity, who is a mouth-breathing cryptofascist dullard.

Kurush
October 13, 2005, 02:23 AM
Gene vs Terry (http://randomfoo.net/junk/200202/npr/GeneSimmons_TerryGross_NPR_FreshAir_broadcast_02-04-2002.mp3)

Apparently Gene realized what a fool he made of himself and made legal threats to NPR demanding they not publish transcripts or audio. Luckily somebody recorded it. I'm listening now, it's hilarious.

cuchulainn
October 13, 2005, 09:12 AM
Question: Why is non-commercial news superior to commercial news? Both are equally biased in their own ways, so it can't be legitimately about bias. Is it simply a matter of not wanting to sit through silly commercials?

Observation 1: As far as I know, Fox has never made a claim to being unbiased. Indeed, they wear their bias proudly on their sleeves. They claim to be fair and balanced. Neither fair nor balanced is a synonym for unbiased -- understand that, and you'll better understand what Fox is about.

Observation 2: There is absolutely nothing wrong with bias in the news. In fact, it was a biased press that the Founders were protecting with the the 1st Amendment. Look at the press of their day and on into the early 20th Century. It was rabidly biased -- that's what the Founders were protecting. There never can be an truly unbiased press (the idea was a 20th Century fantasy).

The problem is not that the press is biased, but that the audience doesn't want to be active readers/watchers. They would prefer to passively trust what's being fed to them. Thus we need to fix the audience, not the press, which is a much harder task.

Henry Bowman
October 13, 2005, 09:33 AM
I find it amazing that the same people who listen to Sean Hannity and his ilk will rage against NPR for not being "fair and balanced". Sean Hannity's show is not funded by taxpayer money.

NPR and PBS have been going out of their way to do "token" neutral or right-bias pieces now and then. Perhaps they've seen their nads saved from Congress' chopping block at the last second enough times.

Harry Tuttle
October 18, 2005, 11:28 AM
Hurricane Katrina Prompts Growth in Gun Ownership

by John Burnett

Expecting civil unrest in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, Westwego Police Chief Dwayne Munch sent officers to buy bigger guns. They came back with $18,000 worth of new weaponry, including riot shotguns and Tasers. City of Westwego, La.

All Things Considered, October 12, 2005 ∑ The National Rifle Association is using the experience of Hurricane Katrina to document the importance of guns during a disaster. During the chaos in New Orleans post-Katrina, gun purchases by both civilians and law enforcement swelled.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4956143
7 minutes

River boat pilot, Charles Clayson, is interviewed about his experience as a neighborhood watcher using an AR15 as a visual deterent to potential looters in a van.

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