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Slinger
October 12, 2005, 09:19 PM
Allright, we all have had one in our collection, a gun we wish we had never bought. For one reason or another we just could not learn to love it.
What was yours, why, when, and what did you do with it.

This is just for fun, I'm not picking on any one. :evil:

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Black Majik
October 12, 2005, 09:25 PM
I sold it, it was a Glock 23, but.... I'm kinda starting to wonder if I need my colt .380 Government.

At the last Socal shoot I only shot 21 rounds out of it. I dont even wanna clean it since I barely shot it, but its dirty... Hmm..... :rolleyes: :D

varoadking
October 12, 2005, 09:52 PM
H&K USP Compact in .357 SiG.

Recoil on that SOB could break your wrist... :cuss:

RonJon
October 12, 2005, 10:01 PM
..a Beretta .32 Cal. Tomcat.

It never could operate reliably (stovepipes, FFs and double ejects with every magazine load. This is an example of a semi-auto that was just to damm small to function reliably).

I could not feel safe enough to trust it in using it as a CCW, which was what I had purchased it for.

Also the grips fell apart twice - first ones replaced under warranty, second ones also immediately cracked.

Fortunately, it was under a 1 year warranty with the dealer, and it managed to crack its own frame within that time.

Beretta replaced the gun, and the dealer allowed me to use the wholesale value of the new gun Beretta sent to trade (+ the $ difference) for a Ruger Single Six 50 year commemorative (neat revolver!).

I consider myself lucky to have learned the lesson that cheaply - never again a pocket small semi-auto for CCW!

(I now carry a S&W 642 in a DeSantis Nemesis pocket holster and a Bianchi speed strip for reloading, if necessary - This setup is perfect!)

J-frame Revolvers Rule for CCW!

Ala Dan
October 12, 2005, 10:12 PM
Junk Guns~! :uhoh:

I don't buy 'em, and I certainly don't sell them. :D

HighVelocity
October 12, 2005, 10:23 PM
A few times I skimped on the $, thinking I was gettting something good for less, I was dead wrong.
No fly by night wannabe import clones for me, never again. :banghead:

WarMachine
October 12, 2005, 10:34 PM
My Remington 597 :uhoh:

kentucky_smith
October 12, 2005, 10:37 PM
Glock 17 9mm :neener: no soul. :uhoh: :eek:

HD
October 12, 2005, 11:11 PM
:cuss: :mad:

waterhouse
October 13, 2005, 12:09 AM
It was a great gun, but I was never very accurate with my glock 19. I gave it to my dad and he loved the thing. I can't say I wish I never bought it, because it ended up getting a lot of use, but I certainly never warmed up to it.

Another great gun that got on my nerves was my ruger 22/45. I loved shooting it, but reassembly was usually more trouble than it was worth. This one went to my brother, and I'm pretty sure he likes it a lot more than I ever did.

Moonclip
October 13, 2005, 12:50 AM
A Butler arms 22short clone of the Colt single shot derringer comes to mind. Terrible, anyone have one or remember them?

GroovedG19
October 13, 2005, 08:00 AM
My Sig Sauer P229 40/357.While it shoots great and very accurate, the grip just doesn't fit me.It is uncomfortably wide.Even the bigger P226 is a better fit than my P229.Thinking about trading it for a P220, P239, or P226.

GunGoBoom
October 13, 2005, 08:13 AM
Don't really have one, as I sold the ones I don't like. If pressed, though, I'd probably have to say the Izhmash Drodz Bumble-Bee full auto BB (steel) gun. It's super cool and fun, but to accomplish the same purpose (sheer fun), I'd like to replace it with something similar in 6mm plastic BB so that I can shoot in the house, etc. The Bumble Bee has no point really, because on the one hand, it's dangerous and must be treated like a real gun, but on the other hand, it's not really gonna be use to kill anything. About the only possible use I can think of is to shoot toward roving packs of feral dogs to scare them off without killing them, but I just don't have this problem in my neighborhood, so meh.... As for firearms, I love them all (that remain).

nero45acp
October 13, 2005, 08:14 AM
Rossi snubby. Lousy trigger, never could shoot it accurately. It was better than a rock, but just barely. I sold it while going through a divorce and needed some extra cash. Good riddance to the Rossi and ex. ;)


nero

ruger357
October 13, 2005, 08:40 AM
Glock 19, it's history Friday.

TexasRifleman
October 13, 2005, 08:43 AM
Smith 1006. Only Smith auto I've owned, and won't have another.

Kept that one a couple of months maybe before trading it for something useful.

DirksterG30
October 13, 2005, 10:34 AM
That would be my Glock 30. Nothing wrong with it, the grip was too wide for me, and I couldn't shoot it to save my life. I bought it last fall when I first got into CCW, and sold it this summer. Now a 4" Springfield 1911 takes its place.

Tango Sierra
October 13, 2005, 10:39 AM
My least favorite right now is my SIG P226ST. I don't know what possessed me to spend $900 (including tax) on it when I knew I don't like the SIG double stack grip. That said, I do like my single stack P225 and my Browning BDA 9mm which is an early version of the P220.

pauli
October 13, 2005, 11:13 AM
my p22... and i still shoot it more than anything else :rolleyes:

JDGray
October 13, 2005, 11:51 AM
Least favorite was a 9mm Makrov , Couldnt hit a house with it if I was in it !! JDGray

dsk
October 13, 2005, 12:14 PM
I had several (all of which I sold), but the one I remember most is a Para-Ordinance P.14-45. I never could get used to the fat grip, and even after spending $$$ on a custom job just so I could (hopefully) get to like it better I still ended up selling it.

Quentin
October 13, 2005, 02:53 PM
Hands down it was a Stoeger Luger .22. What a disappointment, jammed almost every shot - failure to extract. Actually did a little better if you shot it upside down! Terrible gun. Sent it back to the factory and they couldn't fix it. Finally gave it to a gunsmith friend but don't think he got it to work much better.

Sad thing was when I bought it, I was leaning to an Erma .22 in the same display case that looked more like a Luger but the guy at the gun shop really talked up the Stoeger. Should have gone with my heart on that one because I really liked the Erma. Stoger made and imported some wonderful things in the past but after that gun I've avoided them.

At least I finally got a couple of real WW2 Lugers and a few Ruger .22s. They all work fine!

orangeninja
October 13, 2005, 02:57 PM
Least favorite for me has been a Ruger P97 and a Springfield XD40SC.

The Ruger simply wouldn't function without literally falling apart. Ruger eventually made good on it and I sold it.

The Springy XD 40 sub compact NEVER once jammed or had a problem at all. It did hurt like the dickens to shoot and the trigger was SHARP....and had trigger slap. I sent it in to Springfield...they polished the trigger and tried to remove the slap, but it still hurt to shoot. Too bad. I really wanted to like that gun. I went Glock and haven't looked back.

Erinyes
October 15, 2005, 03:49 AM
Of all the guns I've owned, the only one I've never regretted getting rid of is an AMT Hardballer. Even with good mags, it'd have a FTF at least once every mag. It had the Gold Cup style sights, and the windage screw would keep backing out of it. Replaced the recoil spring and it still wouldn't run right. I tried three different brands of magazines and a USGI surplus mag. It was a right pile of junk, that gun. The only upside was that the gun was a freebie. Almost turned me off of the 1911 design.

Fortunately I got the chance to try out my dad's Series 70 Gold Cup. That thing runs like a champ.

HSMITH
October 15, 2005, 08:43 AM
For me it was a Ruger Goverment model 22. Another $600 on top of the purchase price later it functioned decently and had a good trigger, but it still had piddle poor ergonomics and was a nightmare to clean. Sold it down the road at a HUGE loss and bought a Buckmark. From one of the worst guns I ever had to one of the best. It worked out fine, but I could have bought 5 buckmarks for the money I had in the Ruger.

AirForceShooter
October 15, 2005, 09:55 AM
Taurus PT-945
It was reliable as can be and shot everything.
Problems:
I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn from inside the barn no matter what I did.
It was DA/SA and the trigger pull on the D/A resembled something Peterbuilt would admire.
Traded it out for a 1911 and I'm soo happy again.

AFS

albanian
October 15, 2005, 03:48 PM
I had a Intratec AB-10 that was so bad that it made Jennings look like decent guns. The absolute worst gun was an Intratec Tec-22 that was actually worse than the AB-10. I didn't think it was possible to make a worse gun than the AB-10 until I bought the Tec-22. Fool me once...

Then there are the host of bad guns that I had like the RAP-401, Kel-Tec P-32, Jennings J-22, and Taurus PT-22. All of these either broke parts under normal use, jammed too often or both.

Then there is the much larger list of guns that were reliable but I just didn't like for ergonomic or other reasons. Guns like the Makarov, S&W 59, Ruger P-89, CZ-70, CZ-40, FEG P9R, Walther PP, Star BKM, Ruger 22/45, SA 1911 Longslide, Benelli B-76 and the list goes on.

rustymaggot
October 15, 2005, 04:51 PM
for me it was a lorcin 380. terrible piece of junk. there are tricks to make em better but not worth the time involved unless you have (cursed with) one already and like to tinker.

close second is a rg23 revolver in 22lr. again, raging piece of junk, but there are things to fine tune em. i once made it go 500 rounds without a misfire. quite a feat since i hear they usually cant go 6 rounds without a misfire when they are brand new. what i did was add washers to shim up the hammer spring so it hit the pin harder, then lathed out a new pin to take the added force. still tinkering with fixing the mauled chamber edges, i was thinking lathing a channel in it and adding a hard steel part to beef up the cylender face. if i get around to it.

only reason i bothered with it is cause i love to tinker. nothing makes me happier than buying a broken gun and fixing it. its satisfying.

Dienekes
October 16, 2005, 11:07 PM
Glock 17. Worked okay but never could shoot it well. The description of the trigger as "like breaking a green twig" fits. If all I had to do was to make a quick noise it would have been a winner.

I really enjoyed seeing that gun go. Traded it straight across for two minty 4" Security Sixes, one blue, one stainless.

R.W.Dale
October 16, 2005, 11:30 PM
S&W 22a Piece of junk jam-o-tron inaccurate upper reciever broke took 6months for the facory to fix still a jam-o-matic eaisly the worst and least favorite handgun I've ever owned. In fact the only other piece of machinery I've owned that was worse than the S&W was a VW dune buggy that had the screwy typeII engine. Did i mention it jammed a lot?

edefonzo
October 17, 2005, 01:18 AM
My worst pistol was the Smith & Wesson Sigma 40V, the two-town model that came out before the 40VE model with the accessory rails. When the pistol would fire, it shot so far to the left that it left streaks on the left wall at the range.

Functionally, it was so totally unreliable that I put in a locked box and kept it in my closet for seven years. I've been afraid to sell it anyone, for fear of being shot on sight for selling a lemon. That fear only applies to anyone not using the Sigma to shoot at me!

el44vaquero
October 17, 2005, 01:59 AM
My least favorite gun is the one that sets on the shelf at the local gun shop that I want but know I can never afford.

OhioPaints
October 17, 2005, 07:56 AM
My worst purchase was a Browning High Power. Actually I was dumb enough to sell it and buy a second one.

Horrible trigger, so bad that sometimes I thought the safety was on. The last straw was when the front sight broke off while firing it! (No, it had not been abused or dropped.)

On the other hand, they are good looking guns (the second one I had was the "Tactical" and they feel nice in your hand. But for the price, they ought to do more than just look and feel good!

Eventually I got a FEG clone. Not a bad gun and the trigger is getting better. At least the FEG has a reasonable price. For what I paid for the Brownings, they should have been decent guns.

Another poor choice was a Heritage Arms .22 revolver. THAT was my wife's choice because she liked the looks of it. But it's a poor shooter but at least it was cheap. Now she shoots my Ruger .22.

Ken

pistolwhipped
October 17, 2005, 08:12 AM
Glock 36
Never could get the hang of sub-compact Glocks. It worked well, just never felt good in my paw.

Quickdraw Limpsalot
October 17, 2005, 08:33 AM
Either
Glock 17 - bought it because it was a good deal from a friend, noticed instantly that the grip angle was much different than what I was used to & never really got used to it. Sold it for the $300 I gave for it.
Or
Taurus PT-22 - Bought it new and jam, jam, jam. When it did fire, it shot about 2 feet high and one foot left of POA (around 10-15 yards.) Traded it for an old "Revelation" 30-30 levergun.

Master Blaster
October 17, 2005, 08:59 AM
Beretta 92 FS inox compact model.

I was so happy the day I bought it used for $425, and even happier the day I sold it for $450.

It was reliable and it fit my hand OK, But I could not hit well with it at all, and even thought it was a compact model it was huge. I could out shoot it with my G26 any day of the week. In fact I could shoot a better target with my G26 at 25 yards with a 1 hand hold than I could with the Beretta at 7 yards with a 2 hand hold.

What a piece of CA CA. No wonder I see all of the higher up officers in Iraq carrying a 1911. I feel sorry for any one issued a beretta in combat.

stevelyn
October 17, 2005, 11:18 AM
Least favorites:

Ruger autoloaders= Bricks with a handle and sights.

Sigs= Not even remotely designed to be left-hand friendly.

SgtGunner
October 17, 2005, 11:29 AM
walther p22...jammomatic POS. I ended up giving it away cuz I just couldnt charge someone for that garbage.

GunGoBoom
October 17, 2005, 12:12 PM
Wow, these kinds of threads are very enlightening. Questions:

TexasSIGman, what was wrong with the 1006?

Tango Sierra, is the BDA single or 2-stack? I take it that it is narrower than a Sig 9mm 2-stack then?

OhioPaints: Welcome, and your BHP with the crap trigger - how new/old was it - when was it made? (cuz I have a theory that Browning quality may be slipping in the recent past).

Walther P22 owners.... would you say that it is now well-known that a significant percentage of them are reported to be junk/jammomatics? Or just a small few vocal complainers who got the lemons?

anything taurus, para , kimber , rossi , similar POS...

That seems overly broad of a statement to me, by any reasonable account.

belton-deer-hunter
October 17, 2005, 12:22 PM
mine was a savage 34 c it would not eject the shotgun shells and it missfired every other shot had to use brass shells and nothing else the .22 barrle was as bad couldnt hit a barn ened up selling it for a 50 dollar proffit after i broke the tigger gaurd

Mordoc
October 17, 2005, 09:27 PM
Mine was a Springfield MilSpec 1911. It would not stay on an IPSC target at 25 yds. A friend of mine bought one just like it at the same shop on the same day. His was equally bad but he had it remade into an excellent weapon with the attention of a good smith. Maybe the factory was having an off day.

Boss Spearman
October 17, 2005, 09:33 PM
The polymer Witness 9mm. The steel ones are fine, but the magazines for the polymer version were absolute garbage, and there were no mags available anywhere in the US at the time, so I got rid of it.

randygrider
January 31, 2006, 09:59 AM
auto-ordnance 1911, would not feed anything, not even hardball. hammer and sear wore out with maybe 300 rounds through it. 300 rounds is a lot of shooting, when you have to clear a jam every other round.

emc
January 31, 2006, 04:29 PM
Actually, a couple of guns.....

1. First generation Charter Arms Bulldog in .44 Special. Crudely made (part of the frame warped, and the chambers were unbelievably rough!), inaccurate, and not worth the money, even in the mid-70s.

2. Browning Hi-Power. Beautifully made, gorgeous bluing. BUT, horrible ergonomics on the safety, and absolutely would not feed anything other than FMJ.

FWIW,

emc

Manedwolf
January 31, 2006, 04:37 PM
..a Beretta .32 Cal. Tomcat.

It never could operate reliably (stovepipes, FFs and double ejects with every magazine load. This is an example of a semi-auto that was just to damm small to function reliably).

I could not feel safe enough to trust it in using it as a CCW, which was what I had purchased it for.

Also the grips fell apart twice - first ones replaced under warranty, second ones also immediately cracked.

Fortunately, it was under a 1 year warranty with the dealer, and it managed to crack its own frame within that time.

Beretta replaced the gun, and the dealer allowed me to use the wholesale value of the new gun Beretta sent to trade (+ the $ difference) for a Ruger Single Six 50 year commemorative (neat revolver!).

I consider myself lucky to have learned the lesson that cheaply - never again a pocket small semi-auto for CCW!

(I now carry a S&W 642 in a DeSantis Nemesis pocket holster and a Bianchi speed strip for reloading, if necessary - This setup is perfect!)

J-frame Revolvers Rule for CCW!

They must have changed something. I have a 950 for a BUG, and just to see, I literally went through two magazines as fast as I could pull the trigger, WITH a totally mixed-up load of various brands and FMJ and JHP and loads, dropped the mag and slapped in the other. (And yes, there are +P .25 loads, now.) :eek:

Did that twice. Not a single jam. Need to use Beretta or MegGar mags, though, I'd heard that the Promags will turn any of the Beretta littleguys into a jam-a-matic.

Ala Dan
January 31, 2006, 06:34 PM
Also, a Glock 23~!:uhoh:

In 1996 I bought it used from a fellow police officer for $385. complete
with three restricted magazines. I couldn't hit the broad side of a darn
barn with it, so I traded it as a partial payment on a secondary vechile.

Big Gay Al
January 31, 2006, 08:24 PM
I have two that fit this category. The first is sort of general.

ANY handgun that has more plastic (visible, not weight) than metal. This of course rules out Glocks and all their imitators.

Second, was a Firestorm Gov't model I had for a while. I had problems with that weapon even after I polished the feed ramp. The finish was coming off in some areas after my first shooting session with it, and I had to use loctite to keep the plunger tube from coming loose. Even after I polished the feed ramp, it wouldn't feed hollow points. And the hammer strike was too light for some ammo so that there would be failures to fire. Also, the Chip McCormick 8 round mags I got, would not trip the slide release to lock the slide open on the last shot.

Strangely enough, I recently bought a Firestorm Compact Duo-tone. It works a lot better. It still has trouble with HP ammo, but EVERYTHING else works just fine, and the Finish looks great. And the hammer hits harder. I can even feel a difference in this when I dry fire it.

TrafficMan
January 31, 2006, 08:34 PM
had a Glock 23, sold it. Glock's don't jive with me. I was not happy with the pistol from the get go.

That being said, everything i have right now i love. Had some trouble with my IAI M1 Carbine at first, but now that it has been broken in, it runs good. It really is amazing what a little sandpaper, steel wool and grease can do....with a good cleaning. my SKS still needs a bit of "tuning" so to speak, but it ran good when i shot it...i absolutely hate the sites on my Winchester 94 (pre64) -- prolly get a Lyman peep site for it down the road, but I don't plan on shooting the rifle much anyways.

will be shooting my Beretta Stampede for the first time Thursday, looking forward to how that pans out, i am confident in this one...

best purchase so far, CZ75BD...this is what replaced the Glock. I have Never...NEVER loved a firearm as much as this one. Everything about it is cool! :)

Tom Servo
January 31, 2006, 08:50 PM
I feel dirty for saying this, but I never got to like my Sig P239/.357. It fed fine, but recoil was a bear, and the slide/frame fit was atrocious. No feeding problems or malfunctions, and it was a great CCW gun, but I really had to concentrate to get anything resembling accuracy. Oddly, I'd previously had the same model in 9mm, and loved it.

The other would be the Kahr MK9. Others love this gun, but my first one was a lemon (slide cracked during break-in), and the service (or lack thereof) from Kahr was just a train-wreck, which really lowered my faith. Matters were finally settled with a replacement, which had a VERY loose barrel/slide fit and wasn't very accurate at all.

Ended up selling both and not looking back.

rero360
January 31, 2006, 09:11 PM
the only gun I regret getting was my muzzleloader, a CVA .50 bolt action, if I was thinking, and knew anything about muzzleloaders I would have spent the extra 40 bucks and gotten a break action gun. I shoots fine and cleaning is a breaze, but the action is such that its difficult to put the primers in, unless you use the little tool.

MarshallDodge
January 31, 2006, 11:39 PM
Taurus PT99AF. I bought it in the late 80's during the Hi-cap 9mm craze. It was my first centerfire handgun and I had a lot to learn.
The gun was VERY reliable but was not accurate. Sent it out for a trigger job and got it back with more slack and maybe a pound less pull:cuss:

Traded it and $200 for a 70 series Gold Cup and have never looked back.

sm
February 1, 2006, 12:56 AM
-RG .38spl.
Part of an estate I bought. Oh the lead went downrange - and sometimes the lead went down the barrel...

-Charter Arms .44 Bulldog. Liked the concept, big fan of the .44 spl, just the gun did not hold up...

-Beretta AlleyCat. Tomcat with the nightsights from factory. LEO buddy had one back to Beretta a few times, he practiced/ trained with his guns [UC] When informed meant to be carried lots and shot less...he got rid of his and went back to a J frame BUG. Someone wanted mine more than I did, and I too will not carry what I cannot shoot.

-Nova shotguns. I seem to have the distinction of breaking 6 of these all total. I was given a green light to "test 'em". Besides the fact if the gun fits one - great. If not totally screwed. NO way to get just a forearm or buttstock ( yeah they break) they are SHARP!

-Glocks hate me. Okay fine. I grew up with 1911s, BHPs, K frames...etc.
Still...I was assisting with folks learning to shoot and CCWs and one shoots and shares with instructing.
I got to where I could shoot one - even though the grip is totally wrong.

Problem was/ is...well New Glock comes in to Gun buddy, I get to open box, sights fell off, all I did was open the box.
Another time Gun Buddy put in a new disconnector dealie to make Trigger Pull 3.4 #'s. LEO gun btw, I men his duty gun. It shot fine for him, I run one mag and the gun breaks something. He had to use his Back-up duty gun.
Stuff like this happened on the range with students too.

I am not allowed to look at, open boxes, think about, get to close to Glocks. They hate me. Fine.

-.40 cal in anything!
Not to mention a total disrespect and downright WRONG to taint the BHP with one in .40cal.

-.45 GAP...you just thought I detested the .40...THR is a family forum, else I would let folks know...

-Tacticalon any gun/ name of gun - Especially the ones with Billboard sized writing.

-Upteen lines of Crap on Ruger firearms. If I want to read - I'll get a book.
Guns shoot fine, no problem. That writing has to go.

And folks say I am bashful...pshaww!

:)

mordechaianiliewicz
February 1, 2006, 01:59 AM
I think I got all y'all beat. A Maadi Cadet (which is a copy of the Beretta 951 made in Egypt). The 1st time I shot it, a retaining pin came out of the top of the gun, and the firing pin came out the back!

ikko909
February 1, 2006, 02:36 AM
Anything Norinco...
thats my opinion anyway..

bigmike45
February 1, 2006, 09:25 AM
In semi auto handguns, believe it or not it was a slightly used Springfield Lightweight Compact. After buying it I realized that the reason it was slightly used was that it could not keep anything on paper at just 15yards. It was a jam-o-matic, the slide would lock back just about anytime it had the urge to do so and because of the light aluminum frame, it kicked like a mule compared to all my other 1911's. I was finally able to get ahold of the original owner who had returned it to Springfield several times but they had yet to fix it. So It went as a trade item for my first Wilson CQB.

In revolvers, it was definately my Rossi .22. Unaccurate, misfires on 3 of 6 consistiently, horrible bluing on the gun......but I guess in that gun, I got what I paid for.

Back in the early 90's Remington came out with its 700 Classic line of bolt action rifle. I bought one in 25-06. I added a good scope on top and was never able to get the darn thing to group better than 5-6" @ 100 yards. I tried 6 different brands and 6 different bullet configurations. I even tried a couple of other scopes. Remington bought it back from me since they could not get it to do any better.

Zach S
February 1, 2006, 10:24 AM
First was an AMT hardballer. Boring reliable, however not very accurate. Being my first gun, I cant get rid of whats left of it. I've been stealing parts off of it (MSH, various pins, grip bushings, screws, etc), its basicly a bare frame now. If I didnt steal the part for something else, I stole the pin that held it and that part got lost. Plans include replacing the stolen and lost parts, and a .22lr conversion.

The second was a second generation G17. I didnt hate it, but if there was one to be traded, that was it. It was traded in towards a Kahr PM9.

The third was, once again, a second-gen G17. Like my previous, if there was one that got traded in, that was it. It was traded in for another series none Kimber.

I think the fourth may be a second generation G19, I'm not shopping for one, but I wasnt shopping for my last two glocks either. They were bought and traded spontaneously.

Maybe I should buy two glocks. One to keep while the other gets traded...

KadicDeshi
February 1, 2006, 03:08 PM
Star B in 9x19. Two, actually. Managed to break the firing pin in the first one before I even got to shoot it. Figured at $125, I should just get another one, keep the first for spare parts and get an extra magazine out of it. Wrong. The first mag will barely fit in the well of the second gun and just about needs a prybar to get back out.

The second one's firing pin held on but the extractor pin launched at the end of the second mag. Found the pin, got it back in place and tapped the end so it wouldn't back out again.

Unfortunately, the gun will not go a full magazine without a malfunction of some kind, even with FMJ. When ejecting the mag, two loose rounds always eject along with it. I'm beginning to think that I have Super B mags instead of the original B mags. Can't seem to find anyone that has B mags. And I'd hate to have a gunsmith work on such an inexpensive gun that was originally bought as not much more than a range toy.

Barrett

tomkatz
February 1, 2006, 03:43 PM
They must have changed something. I have a 950 for a BUG, and just to see, I literally went through two magazines as fast as I could pull the trigger, WITH a totally mixed-up load of various brands and FMJ and JHP and loads, dropped the mag and slapped in the other. (And yes, there are +P .25 loads, now.) :eek:

Did that twice. Not a single jam. Need to use Beretta or MegGar mags, though, I'd heard that the Promags will turn any of the Beretta littleguys into a jam-a-matic.

The 950 is a great gun, I have one and it is uber reliable, the .32 cal. berettas are lousy IMO. I had one and it jammed on everything I ran through it, couldn't even get the thing broken in since it jammed on every shot.....a friend had one that worked better, but still wouldn't feed reliably enough to carry. If you have one that works I apologize for ripping your gun:D .
Another one I couldn't make work was a kimber ultra ten II......the shop where I bought it has a good 1911 gunsmith, he couldn't make it work either. I couldn't bring myself to sell it to anyone so I traded it back to them, they gave me what I paid and sent it back to kimber.
.....tom

gt3944
February 1, 2006, 03:49 PM
:uhoh: this is a little embarrasing to write but it would have to have been the lorcin 9mm I owned a couple of years back, on my defense it was my first handgun...but boy was it a crappy one....

MCgunner
February 1, 2006, 04:10 PM
My least favorite gun that I currently own is a Charter Arms Explorer 2. It feeds fine, shoots fine, is plenty accurate.....but....

It has a terrible trigger

It's fugly

I really have no REAL use for it, but couldn't get anything for it, so I keep it. May need spares off it sometime for the AR7, never know, LOL.

Buddy had an FFL was getting one and asked if I wanted one, too, for 70 bucks. Cheap, so I got one. I like my AR7. The explorer 2 is a good shooter, just don't ever shoot it and there's nothing about it that endears it to me.

Two guns I didn't care for that I've gotten rid of (one got stolen) were my 1911s. I'd have likely kept the AMT Hardballer, but it wasn't spectacular. The Auto Ordinance refused to feed anything but hardball and only after work did it feed that very reliably. I used the insurance money from the AMT's rip off to get one of my favorites, my Ruger P90.

I can think of a rifle or two I didn't care too much for. If a gun is accurate I like it, regardless if it's a POS or not. It does need to be reliable for its intended use, I reckon.

One of the worst I EVER had breifly was a Beretta .22 short little single action tip up barrel thing I bought for a hundred bucks from a friend. What a POS. Wouldn't feed, cantankerous about setting off a round, sometimes too two hits of the hammer. It was absolute junk. I did, however, sell it for $130 at a gun show, SUCKER! :D

MinScout
February 1, 2006, 04:59 PM
Interarms Walther PPK .380. Jammed alot and sliced the heck out of my hands when I shot it. Good riddance.

progunner1957
February 1, 2006, 05:09 PM
It was my Kimber TLE II 1911. When I bought it 3 years ago, I had never heard of the Schwartz safety which Kimber uses in all its series II 1911s. The more I read, the more doubtful I became about the Schwartz safety, even though I had never had any problems with this particular pistol.

After talking at length with Ted Yost who built a Yost 1* Elite 1911 for me, I finally came to the point where I did not trust the TLE II for carry or home defense. I decided to trade the Kimber off - I did not want to trade it to a friend, so I took it to the Indy 1500 gun show and was able to get a reasonably good deal trading it on a Springfield Armory loaded Champion, which I really like.

You can take a look at the Ted Yost 1* Elite 1911 at www.yostbonitz.com
Ted really knows 1911s; he was head of the Gunsite 'smithy for years before striking out on his own. I trust his judgement on the Kimber, as he has probably forgotten more about 1911s than I'll ever know.

IndianaDean
February 1, 2006, 08:28 PM
FEG Hi Power. Biggest piece of junk I ever bought. Bought it on a Saturday, attempted to shoot it that night, traded it off on Sunday.
It would not feed any type of ammo reliably, and I tried the mags that worked fine with my Browning model, they wouldn't work in the FEG either.

Deer Hunter
February 1, 2006, 08:37 PM
I don't buy anything unless I research every possible scrap of information on it, then I decide.

Yet, my father's friend bought a box of ten derringers in .45 LC/.410, sold all but three of them. The grips are so small that I can't even fit the thing in my hand in any plausible position, and the .45 LC rounds going through it makes this very, VERY small gun kick like a mule. The barrel is probably half an inch, honestly. It's so small that you really have to watch out when shooting it, or it might fly up and hit you in your head. He says he shoots .410 shotshells out of it, birdshot, for close range protection. I still think there's better guns on the market.

kahr404life
February 1, 2006, 08:43 PM
My vintage .45 Luger, my baby Nambu (granddad took it off jap admiral), and my .44-40 Colt single action (F. James carved under the grip). The luger feels weird in my hand, no ammo for the Nambu, Colt has the old blackpowder first model frame (no smokeless rounds). Dang! If I could only could get rid of them.

ikko909
February 2, 2006, 07:47 AM
My vintage .45 Luger, my baby Nambu (granddad took it off jap admiral), and my .44-40 Colt single action (F. James carved under the grip). The luger feels weird in my hand, no ammo for the Nambu, Colt has the old blackpowder first model frame (no smokeless rounds). Dang! If I could only could get rid of them.

Try the link below. i'm fond of how the nambu looks, though never shot or hvnt seen one for real. Looks like a cross between a luger and a glisenti :-)

http://members.shaw.ca/nambuworld/shootingammo.htm

wheelgunslinger
February 2, 2006, 08:16 AM
chinese sks. I got into the whole SKS thing about 9 years ago. Big mistake. That was one big steaming pile of a weapon. Heavy, ungainly, and inaccurate.

I'm happy to be without it.

Least favorite Handgun? 1911 made by some offbrand company. Don't remember the make.

shooter.45
February 2, 2006, 10:01 AM
Any S&W and dont really like those Jamamatic Walther/Interarm PPk/ppks

xring04
February 2, 2006, 11:43 AM
My vintage .45 Luger, my baby Nambu (granddad took it off jap admiral), and my .44-40 Colt single action (F. James carved under the grip). The luger feels weird in my hand, no ammo for the Nambu, Colt has the old blackpowder first model frame (no smokeless rounds). Dang! If I could only could get rid of them.


you have a .45 luger? I have got to see this. Pics please!!!!!!!


I just have a lowly 9mm

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/xring04/DSC00873.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/xring04/DSC00872.jpg

Correct me if I am wrong, but .45 lugers are worth like a million right?????

Saw something on the history channel and read something about it in guns and ammo.

BsChoy
February 2, 2006, 12:28 PM
S&W 908s....you had to ram the mags into the gun so hard on tac reloads that I would bruise the palm of my hand....It also was somehow prone to rust? Got a Glock 19 and am happy...still want to replace my long lost 1911 with a 4 inch springer or Lt Colonel from para though

ikko909
February 3, 2006, 08:30 AM
you have a .45 luger? I have got to see this. Pics please!!!!!!!


I just have a lowly 9mm

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/xring04/DSC00873.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/xring04/DSC00872.jpg

Correct me if I am wrong, but .45 lugers are worth like a million right?????

Saw something on the history channel and read something about it in guns and ammo.

nice luger you got there. how did you acquire it?

xring04
February 3, 2006, 11:52 AM
My great uncle picked it up in france about 62 years ago.

ftierson
February 3, 2006, 02:00 PM
My vintage .45 Luger, my baby Nambu (granddad took it off jap admiral), and my .44-40 Colt single action (F. James carved under the grip). The luger feels weird in my hand, no ammo for the Nambu, Colt has the old blackpowder first model frame (no smokeless rounds). Dang! If I could only could get rid of them.

:)

Tell you what...

Although they aren't worth much, out of the goodness of my heart I'll give you $50 for the lot... And I'll, (whine, whine) even pay for half the shipping...

Deal?

And don't bother checking out those stupid firearms values books either because everyone knows that there're just full of crap anyway and that they grossly overvalue everything...

:)

Forrest

ftierson
February 3, 2006, 02:12 PM
My worst buy was a Marocchi EXP 64 (Model SM64) .22LR takedown rifle...

I saw a picture of it in a distributor's catalog and it looked quite nice. There is a large-headed take-down screw on the bottom front of the receiver, and it takes down quite nicely. The barrel is longer than it needs to be for the cartridge, but still not too bad. The rifle has great symmetry and is pleasing to the eye. That's the good...

The bad. Although the barrel is easy to take-down, the fit to the receiver is somewhat wobbly. Although this doesn't seem to affect accuracy much (the rifle shoots quite well), it doesn't feel solid. The sights aren't very good.

The worst. When I saw the rifle pictured, I just assumed that the receiver was made out of aluminum. The lines of the receiver are quite attractive, and aluminum would have produced a handy rifle. Hell, even steel would have produced a handy rifle. But the Italians used zinc for the receiver. I have no doubt that zinc works just fine, safety-wise and functionally speaking, but, damn, the thing weighs a ton. You could use it as an anchor for the USS George Washington (which, by the way, is bigger than a rowboat)...

So, great idea and nice design ruined by the poor choice of materials...

And I still have the damn thing. I must suffer from some obsessive/compulsive disorder that prevents me from letting stuff go, or something...:)

Forrest

rbernie
February 3, 2006, 03:13 PM
KelTec P32 - it's just too small and sharp for normal human hands to hold on to, and rimlock is a PITA.....

Steve F
February 3, 2006, 04:03 PM
First was a AMT Back-up .380,couldn't hit the wall in front of from 25':scrutiny: traded it for a Anshutz .22 sporter,I think I did good;)

Next was Glock 27:rolleyes: ,It just doesn't fit the hand no matter what you do,extra length mags or anything:rolleyes: Traded it for a Beautiful Hi-Power:neener:

Fun2Shoot
February 3, 2006, 06:24 PM
Least favorite gun? That's easy.

I wanted this handgun to be my favorite gun, but it turned into my least favorite.

A Colt Govt 9mm I bought nib in the mid 80's.:cuss:

I loved my Browning HP 9mm. I loved my Colt Commander 45acp. So..............why not merge the best of both ( 9mm and 1911) in one gun? Sounded like a good idea at the time, but that Colt 1911 9mm made me want to scream. I cut my semi-auto "teeth" with a Colt 45acp and to have paid good money for a gun that was a total feeding failure...well....it frosted my butt completely. I had such high hopes.:(

StrikeEagle
February 3, 2006, 06:38 PM
Charter Arms .44 Bulldog. Liked the concept, big fan of the .44 spl, just the gun did not hold up...


What do you mean? What kind of use did it get and what finally happened to it? I have one and it's been working for many years... I don't really do anything to stress it out, though.

BloodyRAzorBlades
February 3, 2006, 06:53 PM
my least favorite gun the one i hate period is the Nambu 14 that gun is just retarted:cuss:

KC&97TA
February 4, 2006, 02:52 PM
I have a "love / hate" relationship with all the M9's and every other 92FS I meet.

It's a good gun, it's good to shoot, it's OK at pounding nails in the wall sometimes it's a good paper weight; but all the time, it's the most inaccurate thing I own, 4" group at 25 yards and the military ones, are lucky to hold 9" when you're aiming to the target to your left, the best way to keep it fireing smooth is to load it down with CLP and get a face full with every trigger pull.

thorazine
February 4, 2006, 08:34 PM
Your least favorite gun.

Any nineteen eleven.
Any CZ or BHP.
Anything C&R.
Anything with wood on it.
I'm not too keen on revolvers either.

thunder
February 5, 2006, 03:13 PM
Personally I dont like my dad's model 10 much at all. Just don't like how Smith and Wesson's sit in my hand much or how its shoots. I'm an autoloader guy.

Run&Shoot
February 5, 2006, 08:59 PM
Of past owned handguns it would be a Llama .45 back when I first started in handguns and tried to save money. Learned that lesson, now I only buy quality.

Inherited a Ruger .22. The only reason I like it is because my dad bought it through the mail back around 1965. Cool. But as a gun it has sharp machining edges, it only has one reliable magazine (original and even Ruger replacements are not 100%), and has about the most funky disassembly I have ever seen.

The Ruger has minimal sights, and it OK for accuracy, and hardly any accessories for that early model. I am looking for a new .22 auto and it will almost certainly not be a Ruger. Maybe a Browning or a conversion unit for my 1911.

Skipper
February 5, 2006, 09:55 PM
AMT "SKIPPER". Great concept, junky build. Never worked right and continually broke things. It was BAD !! Only gun I ever bought that was a true dog.
SKIP

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