carrying at the mall, observations of katrina evacuees


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trapperjohn
October 14, 2005, 03:22 PM
Well, I am definately carrying when I go to the mall these days for lunch. went there with a friend the other day for lunch and saw a bus pull up and unload. I noticed the front of the bus had a sign saying "FEMA USDOT". I didnt think a whole lot of it, I just noted to myself that they must be evacuees staying at the local base.
The next day I went back to the same place for lunch. Then I knew how to recognize the evacuees because they had nametags hung around their necks. I was slightly disturbed to see a large number of them at the bar. not that I have a problem with drinking, but I have a problem with people living off my tax money using it to drink rather than for neccessary items. $2,000 FEMA debit card anyone?
I made a comment to a waitress about them and got a Tirade. She told stories of them getting their cards then spending almost the whole amount on things like "tennis bracelets":cuss: :cuss: . To top it off, she said most of them had now run out of money and would sit in the restaraunt waiting for paying customers to leave so that they could steal the tip money before the wait staff got to it:fire: :fire: :fire: .
I just dont get it! how can any group of people living off of other people actually steal working waitresses money.
I realized if these people where so selfish, uncarring and brash that they would do that, that they are capably of just about anything to get something they want. now i make it a point to always be armed at the mall

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longtab
October 14, 2005, 03:31 PM
Check for the "no carry" sign near the mall entrances. Alot of malls don't allow weaons in them BECAUSE of the very people you mentioned. I feel you pain brother... but I would hate to see a law abiding citizen be detained for doing the "right thing" in the wrong way in the eyes of the law.

wrangler5
October 14, 2005, 03:43 PM
Slum people live in slums by choice - their choice of how to behave. It doesn't happen overnight, but after years of bad personal choices they end up isolated from decent society because they choose not to behave to the rest of society's standards. Take 'em out of their isolation (slums) and give 'em some cash and they'll exhibit exactly the same behaviors that got them living in the slums. Rebuild their housing in New Orleans (or wherever) and let 'em go back, and within a year or two they'll be slums again. You've seen this result before, when high rise public housing projects were built and first occupied - typically they were slums (damaged or destroyed infrastructure and unsanitary conditions) within weeks of being opened.

It's sad, but it's not your fault and it's not my fault - it's the fault of the people themselves, who choose to behave the way they do. We can feel sad for them and try to help them out, but we cannot give them money and then claim to be surprised that they act the same way they've been acting for years.

Lupinus
October 14, 2005, 04:15 PM
Im sorry. My mother was a waitress for many year's.

If I see you stealing tip money a I will notify someone before you have a chance to leave if I don't break your nose first.

Waitress have job's from hell. They do not even make minimum wage they live off their tip money and a pay check of maybe 80 buck's. They work their butt's off for you running back and forth cause you don't give a rat's arse. They are there to serve you but they are not there to make 20 trips in a row back to the kitchen cause you keep suddenly remembering something. And you are NOT their only customer. You will be gotten to in due time. If you are nto say something. But if the place is packed and the waitress does nto magicly apear the instant you sit down hold your horse's and give it a few minute's before you whine about it. And for those of you who never had a waitress mother- When the waitress ask's if she can get you somethign to drink....it screws up the entire rythem if you go "Oh well, we are ready to order to so I'll have such and such"

And then to top it off. Often the biggist pain's in the ass are the same ahole's that leave a dollar or two or no tip at all.

You try waitressing for a day, see how you like it if someone steals your tips or leaves you a dollar after pretendign you are their personal slave.

Ok...im done with my rant now lol

There should have been restriction's on the FEMA card's allowing you to only buy food. With exception's made to allow prepared food (foodstamp card's wont cover prepared foor like a deli sandwhich or a roteseri chicken) and other essentials like gas, etc.

Far as I know the only restrictions were alcohol and....have we guessed yet? Firearm's and ammo. If they can program it to not allow purcheses for those, they could have reversed it to an approved rather then restricted list.

Janitor
October 14, 2005, 04:31 PM
Check for the "no carry" sign near the mall entrances. Alot of malls don't allow weaons in them BECAUSE of the very people you mentioned. I feel you pain brother... but I would hate to see a law abiding citizen be detained for doing the "right thing" in the wrong way in the eyes of the law.
That may or may not be a concern.

It depends on the state he's in. Here, going into a posted establishment means they still have to request I leave if they want me to leave. They also have to do it in front of an LEO. I also have to refuse if there's to be trouble over it. And, on top of all that, concealed means concealed. If they don't know you're carrying, they can't ask you to leave.

If you got into trouble here, it means a petty misdameanor trespassing charge. Not much more than a fancy ticket. Not all that fancy either.

Need to use your sidearm to protect your life while you're at the mall? Fine - do it and then the mall people will now know you're carrying, and they can now ask you to leave. (The law may want you to hang for a couple minutes though.) ;)


Better judged by 12 then ...

geekWithA.45
October 14, 2005, 05:15 PM
It's primarily a matter of socialization.

$2,000 all at once is a boatload of money for some people, more than they've ever had at once. It can seem like an inexhaustable amount, but we all know how fast it can go. If they've never learned any sort of fiscal discipline or priority management, they can get into trouble real fast.

A prudent man with 3 braincells and the clothes on his back can use 2k to get a whole new start on life, if he puts his mind and efforts to it.

Working Man
October 14, 2005, 05:47 PM
I agree there is a lot of reasons to be concerned with the Katrina evacuees,
just keep in mind the actions of some are not the actions of all. Some have
already started work in the DFW area and are now calling it home. No pat on
the back for that, that is what they are suppose to do (work to make
themselves better). I'm just stating that there is good and bad that came
with them.

Mnemesyne
October 14, 2005, 05:57 PM
I know not all of the evacuees are bad, but I swear they sent some real doozies here to SE Ohio/WV area......Hopefully some of them will attempt to better their positions in life.....other then that...I rarely leave the house unarmed anymore (unless going to church or some other non ccw friendly place)

Working Man
October 14, 2005, 06:02 PM
I rarely leave the house unarmed anymore...

With or without the evacuees you should go forth armed whenever possible.
It may be a long time resident that trys to mug you.

thatguy
October 14, 2005, 07:36 PM
A large number (not all) of the people from New Orleans are welfare leeches. I knew as soon as I heard about the $2,000 payment that a lot of it would be going towards booze and cigarettes. They have spent their lives living off others and why should they change now that we (via the federal government) are throwing massive amounts of money at them?

Barbara Bush was soundly trashed for suggesting that this disaster was the best thing that ever happened to some of these people but she was correct. Many welfare recipients will now prosper as never before.

If natural selection was working as nature intended these unproductive people would have drowned. Our society allows the lazy and stupid to survive and multiple. Lyndon Johnson bought the poor vote for the Democrats in the early 1960s with his "Great Society" (welfare) and the result is a generation of people who don't know how to work, have no interest in doing so, and think the rest of us owe them a living. Look at how these morons sat around awaiting rescue instead of getting out of the city when they had time. It's that "someone will take care of me" attitude.

Standing Wolf
October 14, 2005, 09:38 PM
how can any group of people living off of other people actually steal working waitresses money.

It makes no difference whether you're self-supporting or a bum: stealing is wrong.

I rarely leave the house unarmed anymore...

I don't ever leave the house unarmed.

goose
October 14, 2005, 10:08 PM
About 20 yrs ago, the fed gov'mint went into an Indian Reservation here in Minnesota and built 40 to 60 homes for the poor Indian people. Within 3 yrs, there was very little left of this little settlement that the U S taxpayers paid for.....everything was totally destroyed. Then in 1988 (?) it was ruled that Indian Resevations can have casinos. In 3 yrs, this resevation had one most glamorous casinos in the state. Since then, the casino has expanded tremendously and makes a tremendous profit. Has the Reservation paid us (Taxpayer) back the costs of the ill-fated housing project? No!

dasmi
October 14, 2005, 10:13 PM
A prudent man with 3 braincells and the clothes on his back can use 2k to get a whole new start on life, if he puts his mind and efforts to it.
And there's the problem with society today. Fewer brain cells, less common sense.
Then I knew how to recognize the evacuees because they had nametags hung around their necks
That's rather chilling.

Tom Servo
October 15, 2005, 03:39 AM
I've dealt with a few of these in my line of work. Word came down from our corporate office immediately after the debit cards were issued, telling us not to honor them for cigarettes, beer or lottery. Not our rules--these were the stipulations laid down by the Red Cross and explained to all the recipients. Guess what they all seemed to want to use the cards for? You got it. Many of them did so with children in tow, which made it even more disgusting somehow.

I refuse to bend on this, and I will not apologize. Many local volunteer organisations have stepped up to help out, and they've all reported being bilked or cheated one way or another by the evacuees. Many of these "refugees" have shown great initiative in integrating into the local criminal community, and the gangs have all moved business up to Atlanta. I've seen a few folks from New Orleans who are genuine hardship cases, but for the most part, the ones I've dealt with have been rude, dishonest and plain out thankless.

Mr_Moore
October 15, 2005, 08:01 AM
I hope these posts are not thinly veiled racism. The majority of the Katrina folks I saw were African American.

I know African American nuclear physicists and Caucasian women and men on welfare.

Me, I jugde people on how they act, not their race.

trapperjohn
October 15, 2005, 08:15 AM
I hope these posts are not thinly veiled racism. The majority of the Katrina folks I saw were African American.
Me, I jugde people on how they act, not their race.

no one has said anything about race. As a matter of fact, the ONLY things I mentioned in the original post was how they ACT.

please do not try to second guess our motives.

TrapdoorBilly
October 15, 2005, 08:32 AM
I hope these posts are not thinly veiled racism. The majority of the Katrina folks I saw were African American.

I know African American nuclear physicists and Caucasian women and men on welfare.

Me, I jugde people on how they act, not their race.

And some of your best friends are black I bet. :rolleyes:

You my friend were the first to mention race. What does that say about you?

Alex45ACP
October 15, 2005, 08:48 AM
I hope these posts are not thinly veiled racism. The majority of the Katrina folks I saw were African American.

I know African American nuclear physicists and Caucasian women and men on welfare.

You're talking about black "African Americans", right?

Double Naught Spy
October 15, 2005, 09:04 AM
Slum people live in slums by choice - their choice of how to behave. I

Im sorry. My mother was a waitress for many year's.

If I see you stealing tip money a I will notify someone before you have a chance to leave if I don't break your nose first.

Waitress have job's from hell. They do not even make minimum wage they live off their tip money and a pay check of maybe 80 buck's. They work their butt's off for you running back and forth cause you don't give a rat's arse.

And waiters and waitresses remain in such jobs by choice - their choice of how to behave.

---------

I was complaining to a buddy of mine about an older couple I saw on TV. My buddy had spent the weekend as a volunteer helping prepare meals for the hurricane refugees in Austin, Texas. I mentioned that the husband of this couple was complaining because he got off the refugee bus here in Dallas and was upset that all that we had to offer him and his wife were cots inside Reunion Arena. Here I am guessing, but I would say he was in his mid to late 60s. He was pissed. He explained to the news crew that he and his wife didn't want a stinking cot, but a good bed in a hotel room! He wanted to know why other refugees to free hotel rooms but why he and his wife were not getting one.

My buddy explained that a good portion of the refugees are kind and gracious about the help, but that one or two percent were asses.

For the record, the guy who was complaining about not getting a hotel room was a white guy.

El Tejon
October 15, 2005, 09:43 AM
trapper, I think you have described 50% of the native-born population of the country. I don't see how such behavior is symbolic of Katrina refugees only. We see it all around us everyday.:uhoh:

BTW, isn't Preacherman the most noted African-American here at THR? And he's kind of peach-coloured.:D

MM
October 15, 2005, 09:51 AM
I have met SatKongs with any skin colour you might care to name.
SatCong

bogie
October 15, 2005, 09:58 AM
One of the things I remember about the early coverage of the Dome Disaster was some woman bitching about the substandard food... Seems it was some sorta prepackaged stuff that could be eaten cold. Sounded suspiciously like an MRE. Personally, if it is good enough for soldiers day-in and day-out, it's good enough for the occasional disaster victim.

The sad truth is that a lot of the people expect to be taken care of. They're not going to lift a finger to take care of themselves tho. That's just pitiful.

Some of the folks are going to come out ahead. And the rest will just continue on the way they were.

bogie
October 15, 2005, 10:05 AM
SatKong, the use of the "n-word" may be frowned upon, but I do have to say that I agree... When I was in college, I lived for three years in an athletic dorm, and got along splendidly with many folks of all sorts of persuasions... But there was the occasional loser who'd really just stand out. And those folks varied all over a widely diverse spectrum - but the common denominator was that they weren't people who you wanted around.

I guess the caucasian version is poor white trash - There's lowlifes of many colors, nationalities, creeds, whatever. And due to the nature of the beast, one tends to notice the goblin-types more than the nice-guy-with-a-job-types...

dasmi
October 15, 2005, 11:50 AM
I hope these posts are not thinly veiled racism. The majority of the Katrina folks I saw were African American.

I know African American nuclear physicists and Caucasian women and men on welfare.

Me, I jugde people on how they act, not their race.

It is not thinly veiled racism.
It has nothing to do with whether or not someone is a nuclear physicist, or on welfare.
It has to do with a some people acting like a-holes, even in the face of the nation doing it's best to help them in a tough time.
Every judgement passed in this thread has been based on actions, not race.
You mentioned race, no one else. Perhaps you're the one with the hang-up?

Hacker15E
October 15, 2005, 11:57 AM
Me, I jugde people on how they act, not their race.

That's funny, because that's exactly what that first post was doing...judging people by how they acted.

Not sure how you could take from that post anything having to do with racism.

beaucoup ammo
October 15, 2005, 11:58 AM
Of the 12k housed in San Antonio, 3500 are at Windsor Park Mall at any given time. This is an empty Mall in an area of the city that's seen the "money" move elsewhere.

Directly across the street, in the city of Windcrest, a gas station/convenience store has "run out of supplies" (toilet paper, paper towels, soap,etc) about twice a week.

Stopped by 2 weeks ago and the lady I buy my lottery tickets from was in tears, and about at the end of her rope..having been yelled at, spit on and generally treated like garbage.

After the first wave arrived post Katrina, I looked for a worthy recepient (chose an elderly man in a wheel chair) and gave him a $20 bill. He seemed genuinely grateful and I felt good, too. Unfortunately, I won't be going there to dispense charity again..for the simple reason crime has spiked in that area. Initially, the paper reported "no significant" rise in police calls. That's changed, however...as has the general atmosphere in this area of the city.

Take Care

zahc
October 15, 2005, 12:02 PM
Waitress have job's from hell.

Psssh! Waitresses don't buy gas. Try delivering pizza nowadays. I'd also like to dispense my general advice that it's really not smart business to stiff a pizza delivery driver, whether you ever find out or not....

We deliver pizza to the patients at a local mental hospital. However the staff shows up at the door with the patient's money and takes them the pizza. We almost never get tipped there, but one day, when ordering, a patient asked if we were getting his tips. Apparently the staff had been intercepting our tips before they got to us. We now get tips from that one customer.

The older I get the more I learn not to overestimate the honor and common decency of the average person.

Lupinus
October 15, 2005, 12:12 PM
I hope these posts are not thinly veiled racism. The majority of the Katrina folks I saw were African American.

I know African American nuclear physicists and Caucasian women and men on welfare.

Me, I jugde people on how they act, not their race

It is that htinking that BAIT's racisim. Stupidity and the thing's mentioned are cultural, not purly racial. A man or woman of any race has just as much chance for being ignorant as anyone else.

I thought about make a list including racial slur's but decided agianst it for the sake of good form and not offending people who are sensitive to such thing's. It would have gone something like this though- I have known x and I have known black people. I have known x and I have known oriental people. So and an so forth reguarding most any race you can think of. You can fill in most any racial slur for the particular race you want for the x.

Any race has the ability to be ignorant. If you are a black man action like x, you just might deserve the title. If you are a white person acting like x, you just might have earned the title. Some racial term's are about the only thing some of these people that deserve them will earn in their lifetime.

But it is that mentality of "Oh, I hope you arn't masking racisim" that bait's it. I am no racist. I am white and belive in no master race, and that just by being a certian race does not automaticly make you worthy of a racialy slurred title. Though I have noticed more and more black youth refering to each other as such...now that is stupidity. I feel no more safe in some trailor park's as I do i nthe middle of an inner city ghetto...well...maybe a little safer I will admit. But the ignorant come from all race's. Do minority's tend to perhap's fill out inner cities as a disproportionate rate and become typical inner city ignorance? Yes. But is that because of race or culture/enviroment? I will give yo ua hint. It isn't race. If it was simply race ever black person would be ignorant and every white person would be a perfect model citizen.

Lupinus
October 15, 2005, 12:35 PM
And waiters and waitresses remain in such jobs by choice - their choice of how to behave
Is this your waying of saying they are lowly waitress's and asking for it? That's the same as saying a brick layer is asking for a bad back and has no right complaining about it when his boss pushed him to hard for 20 year's.

If I read into it wrong, my apologies in advance.

Stopped by 2 weeks ago and the lady I buy my lottery tickets from was in tears, and about at the end of her rope..having been yelled at, spit on and generally treated like garbage.
Oh I know the fealing. I worked at a gas station. I had a reputation. I was perfectly polite to well meaning and even slightly ahole customer's. But you walk in on my shift being a total jack ass and you will not be tolerated. I am paid to take care of you. And I do my job in a polite manner. I am not paid to kiss your arse when you are being a total ahole.

One come's to mind in particuler (black woman that had moved from NYC to the pocono's. I lived in PA longer so natualy, I am a country hick racist. Doesn't matter I moved there from NJ...anyway)
She hated the store because the manager wouldn't hire her little deliquent son. Was he trouble? I don't know him well enough to know. But when it talk's like one, dress's like one, and generaly carries the attitude of one, I wouldn't hire him in my store either. Race had nothing to deal with it. Were the employe's mostly white? Yes. Was the manager a old country girl that was a tad racist? I'd agree with that statment. But you know what? Good, clean cut, well actng black people were in there behind the counter at a proportionate number for the application's I ever receaved from people dropping them off. So anyway, she already has an attitude anytime she is in there anyway. I do my best to be polite as I do with anyone. She come's back a half hour after buying a pack of cig's and demand's a reciept. Does she ask? No, demand's. Meanwhile, I have a line halfway across the store (five minute...on a normal day....from pocono raceway, on race weekend, know nascar? you do the math) and kindly explain to her that our register does not keep a digital record so I can't go back into any sort of log and print it out and then next time she would have to ask for it at the time of her purchese. She say's well then where is it? I say I'm sorry it's already been thrown away. Our cash register was one of those types that print's to a journal tape and pop's up a recipt as well each time. The response from her? Well then boy you better start digging. I say im sorry I have a line right now and can't do that. She say's I want my reciept little boy now find my f-ing recipt!

Now see, this is the point I get to not being polite and tell it like it is. I say it isn't my job to dig around in garbage to find your recipt cause you decide a half hour later on race weekend when I have a line out the door for your three dolalr recipt. Next time, ask for it when you buy something if you want it. My coworker is on lottery with an all knowing little smile on her face. She start's arguing with me, repeat mself and she says boy you better stop being smart with me before I come around that counter and bust your face. I say that's it, your gone now get the hell out of my store.

The local's about burst out laughing but contain themselve's, even the well manered race fan's almost grin. She has that jaw hit the floor I can't belive it look. Leave's. And I never seen her since.

Case in point- It is my job to be nice to you, but that end's at a point when you reach a certian level of idiocy.

Zahc- Ah. That my friend is a job i never did. But yeah. I can see where you'd be ticked. I always tip the delivery guy at least four or five buck's.

Byron Quick
October 15, 2005, 12:42 PM
I rarely leave the house unarmed anymore (unless going to church or some other non ccw friendly place.


Personally, if I were in a state that forced me to choose between being armed and being in church...I'd be organizing to get the law changed. I'd be working on that especially on Sunday mornings when I should have been in church.

I don't leave home at all unarmed to go anywhere. There are a few places where I leave my pistol in the car. As I go into the courthouse, etc. There's no place I go to, that I leave home unarmed. Ever.

The race thing? I've got relatives that need to find out how to get off the government teat, much less white folks.

A while back, our ED at work was staffed by a Pakistani doctor's group. Some were black, East Indian, Pakistani, Caucasians, etc. An eclectic group. The ED nursing staff lodged complaints against one MD who happened to be black. Pakistani head tried to say we were racist, even though we're almost half black in makeup. We just told him,"We're not complaining against the other black doctors, East Indian doctors, or Pakistani doctors. We're complaining against this particular doctor who would be a pain no matter what color he happened to be.

Lupinus
October 15, 2005, 12:47 PM
Playing the race card is a simple effective way to create a very loud noise in a very effecient manner.

Missashot
October 15, 2005, 01:17 PM
It is a sad shame that some of the people who were displaced feel the need to act in a way that would embarass most people.:cuss: I know that there are people of EVERY color who act in this manner. :banghead:
As far as carrying concealed, I think this is a good idea just becouse of the way that the world is changing. :(

Mr_Moore
October 15, 2005, 04:31 PM
I run into the neo nazi/KKK types from time to time. My last contractor told me he was an Ayrian... he was on parole and stole $4500.00.

I did not know if that sort of thing - racism - was accepted here. Glad to hear it does not.

dasmi
October 15, 2005, 04:52 PM
I did not know if that sort of thing - racism - was accepted here. Glad to hear it does not.

Racism most certainly is not accepted here. Also, don't make the mistake of thinking that everyone here is white. I happen to be, but many are not.

Janitor
October 15, 2005, 05:19 PM
Personally, if I were in a state that forced me to choose between being armed and being in church...
Out of curiosity, what if it were the church itself forcing you to make that choice?

dasmi
October 15, 2005, 05:24 PM
Out of curiosity, what if it were the church itself forcing you to make that choice?
Time to find a new church, one that doesn't require you to give up your means of self-defense when you walk through the doors.

Langenator
October 15, 2005, 06:54 PM
I think, in general, giving cash, or anything that acts as cash equivalent, to people who have done nothing to earn it is a bad idea. I'm amazed that anyone thought that giving $2,000 cash cards to evacuees was a good idea. (OK, this was a government decision. Maybe I shouldn't be suprised.) That which is not earned is not valued, especially by those who have been given handouts their entire life.

Back to the fraud, waste, and abuse angle: once upon a time here in WA state, folks on welfare were given food stamps, which could be used to by groceries and other necessities-diapers, soap. The stamps each had a small dollar value, and thus were hard to convert into ready cash for use in buying other, non-approved items. (I'm not counting selling the stamps on the black market as being 'readily convertible.)

Then someone decided that food stamps were demeaning, and someone at DSHS came up with the Quest Card. Kind of the same as debit cards, but you're still only supposed to be able to use it to buy approved stuff. But you can get cash back-$20 with every purchase. Guess how these folks buy their cigs?

MechAg94
October 15, 2005, 08:00 PM
You would think they could have just credited those FEMA debit cards a $100 a week or something. They didn't have to make all the money available at once. Someone was lazy.

Yes, there are stupid, lazy, and ignorant people of all stripes around. Sometimes I think they stay that way because too many people put up with that behavior and/or make excuses for them.

c_yeager
October 15, 2005, 08:24 PM
Then someone decided that food stamps were demeaning, and someone at DSHS came up with the Quest Card. Kind of the same as debit cards, but you're still only supposed to be able to use it to buy approved stuff. But you can get cash back-$20 with every purchase. Guess how these folks buy their cigs?


FYI, the Quest card does not include *just* a persons food stamps. It is also an account which includes their CASH welfare benefits, it is with that cash that they buy their smokes and beer. They are getting that cash either way, this way the state doesnt have to send a check, and we dont have to deal with people selling their foodstamps at .50 on the dollar to less than honest merchants.

You cannot get "cash back" on your food stamps with the Quest Card. In fact, with the new system you do not get any cash at all in change (with the old system any amount less than 1$ was given in cash).

rudolf
October 15, 2005, 10:04 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/10/15/nazi.march/index.html

"A neo-Nazi group's scheduled march against "black crime" in Toledo, Ohio, sparked rioting Saturday afternoon."

"Hours later, aerial video showed people vandalizing buildings and setting fire to a two-story building that apparently housed a bar, Toledo police spokeswoman Capt. Diana Ruiz-Krause told CNN."

I saw it on TV. I saw it was "Afro Americans" rioting. Am I a racist now? :eek:

Sportcat
October 15, 2005, 10:25 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/10/15/nazi.march/index.html

"A neo-Nazi group's scheduled march against "black crime" in Toledo, Ohio, sparked rioting Saturday afternoon."

"Hours later, aerial video showed people vandalizing buildings and setting fire to a two-story building that apparently housed a bar, Toledo police spokeswoman Capt. Diana Ruiz-Krause told CNN."

I saw it on TV. I saw it was "Afro Americans" rioting. Am I a racist now? :eek:

Apparently that riot is extremely out of control! And of course, looting started.:banghead: :banghead:

Capteddie
October 16, 2005, 01:04 AM
That which is not earned is not valued, especially by those who have been given handouts their entire life.

Very well said. We as a nation, through our tax dollars, have been supporting people who are able, but unwilling, to work for so long that they know no other way of life. These people have lost any initiative to work and are completely dependant on a welfare state. No matter what their color, race, creed, faith, nationality, origin, genus, species, or phylum (there I think I covered it all :neener: )

We live less than an hour from N.O. and avoid going there if at all possible. Certainly not all residents of the N.O. area are BGs or even on the dole, however, urban environments do seem to be more conducive to this type of behavior than more rural areas.

Just look at the number of people who sat in front of the Super Dome waiting fro someone to take care of them when there was a dry road to the west bank which was not flooded and did not flood. My guess is the thought to take the initiative to walk a few miles to safety never even crossed their minds, in their entire lives they may have never had to take responsibility for their own well being. Someone was always there to look out for them. When confronted with a situation in which there was no one to take them by the hand and watch out for them they were frozen into inaction.

That is what all our "helping", "support", and "welfare" did for these people over a lifetime. They were so conditioned to expect someone to take care of them that when the time came to take care of themselves they had forgotten how.

It does amaze me, however, that after sitting for days in their own trash with nothing to do, that no one said "Hey maybe if we pick this trash up and put it in that empty can over there it would be more pleasant to sit here and wait for someone to take care of us.":D

BTW Wife and dogs evacuated for Katrina, had minor house damage, lost food in freezer, no elect. for a week, etc... NEVER TOOK A PENNY FROM THE GOVT.

trapperjohn
October 18, 2005, 10:45 AM
after starting this thread/rant. I run across this link today
http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=107538&format=&page=1

with this excerpt:
"The Federal Emergency Management Agency has issued more than $1.5 billion to 607,000 Katrina victims in the form of individual cash handouts of $2,000. There are no restrictions on how the money can be spent, FEMA officials said. "

We gave these people over $1.5 billion just to be irresponsible and to steal money from waitresses:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

I can only hope that this blatant wasting of our tax dollars is so well publicized that maybe the tide will turn against the welfare socialist state.

Yanus
October 18, 2005, 12:35 PM
You're talking about black "African Americans", right?

I'm with you. Were those "white African Americans" or "black African Americans"? How about "African white Americans" or "African black Americans"? I'm so confused.......... So much BS, so little time!

TheEgg
October 18, 2005, 12:54 PM
Race means nothing.

Culture means everything.

Tall Man
October 18, 2005, 01:08 PM
I know that there are people of EVERY color who act in this manner.
Agreed.

It's hard to ignore the images on the colored TV, though.

TM

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