Interview with a Vampire, eh, I mean an Anti.


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CAnnoneer
October 14, 2005, 04:47 PM
Pursuant of my thread on Florida law, I explained the situation to my colleague, as she was the one that had asked my take on it in the first place. Typically for an anti, she did not want to listen to arguments actually, just give me a verbal moralizing lashing as a known gunowner (and thus "deviant") and supporter of personal freedoms (and thus "anarchist").

Anyway, predictably, she flew off the handle and produced the following gems of wisdom:

"If you want to be free, go live on an island."

"Don't like it? Go live in Texas! Or Florida!"

"2nd Amendment is completely outdated for our complex society."

"Rights? There is no such thing as rights. Rights are given by laws, which are changed by the majority. You have your guns as a privilege that can be revoked at any time."

"2nd Amendment only guarantees ownership. So you can (for now) have them at home, but this does not mean you can use them."

Interestingly, she is also pro-choice. When I asked her how she views her own freedoms now that the reps seem to be gaining seats on the SC, and possibly abortion rights would be removed, she went into hysteria and was about to start crying. Then she went into jibberish about "lesser of two evils" and "laws and regulations" needed for a "complex multi-moral society".

How is it that intelligent educated people have lobotomized themselves so much as to think in terms of mantras and obstinately refuse to see that "pro-gun" and "pro-choice" are ultimately about the same thing - individual freedom, be it for keeping the gov out of your holster or your genitals. :confused:

So now the take-home lesson for the " anarchistic deviant" is that such things as the Bill of Rights, "inalienable human rights", etc. are just privileges to be granted or taken away by legislators (supposedly) representing the wishes of the majority.

What is going on here? These people in essence argue in favor of socialist dictatorship, the logical end of being a "perfect" society of non-existent freedom and maximal security. How can it be the Americans can argue such jibberish? Comrade Stalin is laughing his moustache off in his grave...

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Henry Bowman
October 14, 2005, 04:51 PM
Do this ----> :banghead: instead of talking to this person. It will be far less painful and accomplish much more.

RavenVT100
October 14, 2005, 04:52 PM
Isn't it funny how people who claim to be moral relativists and "outside the box" thinkers inevitably come to the conclusion that yes, what personally affects them is of the utmost importance and shall not be questioned, but everything else is open to interpretation?

torpid
October 14, 2005, 05:00 PM
I've long noted a schadenfreude-like tendency in human nature to support policies that screw over the other guy, as long as it doesn't affect them.

It's not limited to any political leaning, it's still the same lack of logic and empathy- whether it's smoking, drinking, pornography, firearms, etc.

They just can't let others enjoy something that they don't do themselves, even when it has no effect on them.

.

phoglund
October 14, 2005, 05:01 PM
Hmmm....her reactions seem to indicate she has the hots for you. Be careful! :neener:

El Tejon
October 14, 2005, 05:05 PM
CA, why would you assume that the Left values freedom and liberty?

To a Leftist, freedoms and liberties are only weapons used to destroy America and impose his will.

R.H. Lee
October 14, 2005, 05:15 PM
These people are mentally defective. Any interaction with them is a waste of time. Your effort would be better spent teaching your cat to wash the dishes.

Zundfolge
October 14, 2005, 05:16 PM
These people are mentally defective. Any interaction with them is a waste of time. Your effort would be better spent teaching your cat to wash the dishes.



+1

And you should tell her that too.

Deavis
October 14, 2005, 05:38 PM
Your effort would be better spent teaching your cat to wash the dishes

Plus if you can teach them to wash dishes you can probably teach them to handle a gun and defend your place while you are gone. Who needs a guard dog when you have an uppity arrogant cat with a Glock at home?

Personally, I love it when zealots start crying. That is when logic starts to finally set in and they realize they are done.

Creeping Incrementalism
October 14, 2005, 05:43 PM
Didn't Michael Jackson have his pet chimp Bubbles washing windows at Neverland?

Waitone
October 14, 2005, 06:13 PM
Go out and argue with a traffic light. Your logic and argumentation will be better appreciated.

Standing Wolf
October 14, 2005, 10:06 PM
Your effort would be better spent teaching your cat to wash the dishes

Yep. I always make an effort to reason with people; if they prove impervious to reason, however, I stop wasting my time and effort.

dasmi
October 14, 2005, 10:11 PM
These people are mentally defective. Any interaction with them is a waste of time. Your effort would be better spent teaching your cat to wash the dishes.

+1
As Standing Wolf said, if they aren't able to grasp logic and reason, I walk away, and go do something more productive.

karlsgunbunker
October 14, 2005, 10:33 PM
"Never try to teach a Pig to sing. It waste's your time and annoy's the Pig."
Robert Heinlein

bjbarron
October 14, 2005, 11:01 PM
They don't think, they 'feel'.

150 years of watching Socialism murder 100 million people thru mismanagement and neglect as much as malice...doesn't seem to sink in for these people.

I guess it just comes down to guilt, conspiracy theories, and intellectual lazyness. We can all think of things wrong with capitalism, but thugs don't show up at 3am to drag you to the mall.:p Capitalists need us as much as we need to keep an eye on them.

I don't argue with them anymore. Not worth the effort. About a dozen times I've said...."sorry, I don't speak moonbat." And walked away.

Zundfolge
October 14, 2005, 11:30 PM
We can all think of things wrong with capitalism, but thugs don't show up at 3am to drag you to the mall.:p
Thats just beautiful ... I'll be quoting that all over.

Lupinus
October 15, 2005, 12:21 AM
Have a friend in Baton Rouge.

We are on the out's over NOLA and the horrid response/stripping of civil right's.

She believe's the wonderful NOLA police and LA national guard are angel's that can do no wrong.

Martial law she say's was declared in NOLA and as such, civil liberties and right's can be given and taken away at will. And that taking away the gun's was to make it safer for anyone. Yeah, a criminal maybe. Honastly think a criminal will give up their weapon? I ask her. Well no one has a choice now, she say's. Yeah ok honey you go back to never land now.

Oh and the forced entry into countless private building's was simply to find dead bodies. Which to an extent I can agree with. But if people respond to a knock on the door it's safe to assume that there arn't a bunch of bodies in the attic.

Oh and the old woman that clearly had plenty of supplies that was knocked to the ground and pretty much dragged from her own home? Why, it was done by the all knowing great authorities to protect her. Protect her my ass. Protecting her owuld have been leaving her the hell alone with her gun, better still would have been giving her some extra ammo. How many band's of armed looter's went through the city? How many people saved their home's possesion's and live's in NOLA with their gun's? How many women kept little gangsta wanna be;s from forcing their way between her leg's and raping her?
When the national guard/military is needed to help fine, send them. They are one of the few organization's in this country with the command and control structure to respond to something on a mass scale and get teh job done, so long as the politician's just give the order and from there leave them the heck alone.

But under no circumstance's do they have a legal right to violate and alter your civil right's at will.

Much as it pain's me to say this about American service men, if I had been a NOLA resident that decided to stay you'd be reading about one dead civilan that wouldn't surrender his right's and several dead authorities at his door.

The day the goverment try's to take my right's is the day I am killed by someone doing their bidding. Do I fault the guy in muddy boot's following order's? Course not. But I wouldn't fault any young man serving his country that if it came down to it I had to shoot.

And as for the island comment? How about you stupid ass liberal's with no sense of your own countries history go find an island more to your liking. My country worked and work's (at least in most way's when you keep a liberal's hand's off it) juse fine. Want to live in a socialist country where the goverment will hold your hand and you can feel warm and fuzzy knowing the only people with gun's are the military (cause you know, gun ban's work flawlessly after all and wipe away crime completly) there are plenty of countries that will be glad to have you. I hear england or France are nice this time of year. My country is fine. If you don't like it get the hell out and leave it to me and the rest of the backward's conservative gun weidling psychopath's. We will all be happier.

[/rant]

Ezekiel
October 15, 2005, 11:22 AM
If you don't like it get the hell out and leave it to me and the rest of the backward's conservative gun weidling psychopath's.

Sarcasm or no, "this is the sort of crap that arms anti's". I don't want to see it on a bumper sticker...

Lupinus
October 15, 2005, 11:29 AM
It wasn't so much sarcasim as it was in the middle of a rant ranting.

But Im sorry that's how I feel. You are more then welcome to your opinion. But your opinion doesn't give you the right to take away or severly interfear with my right's. I don't like people who drink themselves to the point of sheer stupidity every night. But they have every right to do so. Do I try and change the law or do something to keep them from doing it? No. I leave the house or place they are doing it.

Same concept. It is my right to own firearm's in this country. If you do not like it, then leave the house. And on the same token I will leave you to your right's that I have no intrest in.

That same drunk could just as easily get into a car and kill someone as I could pick up my gun and go kill someone. Actually the drunk is more likly to do it as countless statistics show time and agian.

That is the more polite not rant version :)

Ezekiel
October 15, 2005, 11:39 AM
It wasn't so much sarcasim as it was in the middle of a rant ranting.


No problemo. It just can be difficult to make a defense against what many THINK we are if we actually CLAIM to be as such. Sort of like the time I -- sarcastically -- told some guy I was only there to have sex with his daughter. "That just didn't work out..."

Lupinus
October 15, 2005, 11:55 AM
Yeah, that might not go over well lol

Art Eatman
October 15, 2005, 05:50 PM
Here and there in Boston T. Party's novel, "Molon Labe", is discussion of the sort of non-thought evidenced by the young lady...

Count me in with bjbarron as one who sees her argument as based on emotions and feelings, not objective logic and facts...

Art

M-Rex
October 15, 2005, 06:18 PM
You know, that would make a great bumper sticker.

Backward's, conservative, gun-weidling psychopath...any questions?

Lupinus
October 15, 2005, 06:45 PM
Rex, we can be buisness partner's and split profit's fifty fifty. I definatly want one of them bumper stickers :evil:

Bet you wont get carjacked lol

ReadyontheRight
October 15, 2005, 07:30 PM
Q: "Why don't you backwards, conservative, gun-weidling psychopaths go form your own country?"

A: "We did...what are YOU doing here?"

:)

Lupinus
October 15, 2005, 07:36 PM
Right on ready!

Turkey Creek
October 16, 2005, 11:20 AM
The prevailing attitude with these kind of people is everything's ok as long as you do it "my" way- I try to be a live and let live kind of person- if it works for you, fine, but don't impose it on me- the problem I have with these people is that they insist on trying to make me lead my life according to their rules-

Pilgrim
October 16, 2005, 12:27 PM
"2nd Amendment is completely outdated for our complex society."
I think in view of Sportcat's posting about his deceased uncle, (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=161098) our society can be rather simple, primitive, and brutal.

Maybe in your next conversation with the 'vampire', you might ask her to place herself in the place of the uncle and ask her what she would want more than anything to save her life.

Pilgrim

Fletchette
October 16, 2005, 01:47 PM
I've long noted a schadenfreude-like tendency in human nature to support policies that screw over the other guy, as long as it doesn't affect them.

It's not limited to any political leaning, it's still the same lack of logic and empathy- whether it's smoking, drinking, pornography, firearms, etc.

They just can't let others enjoy something that they don't do themselves, even when it has no effect on them.

.

Actually, it goes even further than that. There is a tendency to be completely hypocritical and indulge in the very same things that they want banned for the "other guy".

Fletchette
October 16, 2005, 02:01 PM
What is going on here? These people in essence argue in favor of socialist dictatorship, the logical end of being a "perfect" society of non-existent freedom and maximal security. How can it be the Americans can argue such jibberish? Comrade Stalin is laughing his moustache off in his grave...

I have thought about this quite a bit. To use a metaphore, society is like a race car. You can spend a lot of money on a race car, a lot of long hours and sacrifice to get it to run well, and you start winning races. With the success of winning, you constantly look to improve your racecar; adding steering dampers, computers to do things that were once manual, etc, etc. After awhile, your car is so loaded down with junk you aren't winning anymore.

A lot of people look at the injustices in the world and incorrectly blame it on our system of government, rather than the individuals that perpetrate the injustices. They want things to be "fair" and "safe", and will not consider the fact that life is neither fair nor safe.

The person you debated is becoming more and more common. She is not a "liberal", she is a communist. I don't say that to simply insult her, that is what she believes. The things she openly advocates would have been resoundly rebutted by the majority of society just a few decades ago.

I would agree with those who say you should not bother to debate her, but for the fact that if we do not confront these people they will destroy our nation.

CAnnoneer
October 16, 2005, 04:24 PM
I would agree with those who say you should not bother to debate her, but for the fact that if we do not confront these people they will destroy our nation.

Absolutely.

That is why I continue arguing intelligently with these people. Anyone I wake up from blissninnism is one less drone. If we shut up, they win and then destroy everything. It is either that, or I might just as well tattoo "PRK LA THX1138" on my forearm.

Ezekiel
October 16, 2005, 04:43 PM
Bet you wont get carjacked

Or be respected and/or taken seriously: but I get the "joke". ;)

Librarian
October 16, 2005, 04:50 PM
Go out and argue with a traffic light. Your logic and argumentation will be better appreciated.At least the traffic light will change once in a while.

Lupinus
October 16, 2005, 07:16 PM
Or be respected and/or taken seriously: but I get the "joke".
Eh, screw 'em if they can't take a joke

antsi
October 16, 2005, 08:46 PM
Isn't it funny how people who claim to be moral relativists and "outside the box" thinkers inevitably come to the conclusion that yes, what personally affects them is of the utmost importance and shall not be questioned, but everything else is open to interpretation?

Well, it's simple. My rights are absolute. Yours are relative.

Sheesh, some people ;)

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