Christian exodus in SC


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spocahp anar
October 15, 2005, 01:33 PM
http://www.greenvilleonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050712/NEWS01/507120311

These guys are discussing succession.

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Hawkmoon
October 15, 2005, 01:46 PM
You mean "secession"?

Lupinus
October 15, 2005, 01:48 PM
So, move conservative's into a state that's already reasonably conservative?

Tgo what point and purpose?

State's no long have the right's origionaly given then to make much change. Federal law is far to strong. And one state no matter how conservative on the federal level hold's the same power, no matter how conservative. Still only two senetor's. If you want to inact change, try moving them into liberal state's and being proactive there where it need's that help.

Short of successon (which will be a bloddy mess as lib's would never allow it and even most conservative's wouldn't go for it) gaining liberal state's back to the conservative side will be much more effective then trying to make a conservative state more conservative. Then agian, lib's dispise war. So maybe it would go over well.

stevelyn
October 15, 2005, 01:59 PM
Sounds like a page taken out the Free State Project's playbook to turn SC into a theocracy.:scrutiny:

Lupinus
October 15, 2005, 02:08 PM
The religious implication's also bug me a bit. I am not in favor of havign to hide your religion, religion is a good thing so long as your religion doesn't advocte hurting people, reguardless of the actual religion. Our founding fathers were all reglious men.

But modern day, the religious implications of the group bother me a little.

DeseoUnTaco
October 15, 2005, 02:25 PM
Good for them. I'm all in favor of having local laws, local decisions and local power. If someone wants to live in a Christian theocracy, or a free state (http://freestateproject.org) or the World of Gor (http://www.worldofgor.com/gor.asp) (warnng: creepy website), more power to them. My only request is that they don't impose it on me. And guess what if enough of such people can get themselves to want to move into my 'hood here to tip the balance, they are welcome to do it and I'll leave. Like many people, I have chosen a neighborhood that is full of people who are like me, of my religion, etc, so the odds of any of these groups getting a majority here (where I am) are zero.

Lupinus
October 15, 2005, 02:51 PM
taco.

I have role played gor online for quite sometime

Concept is fun, to many young idiot's with no sense that have ever read the books. Never work here on earth though.

PS- That site doesn't have much actual info on gor

RealGun
October 15, 2005, 02:57 PM
Christian constitutionalists

What an odd term. Promoting Christian control of the law is hardly constitutional.

How two families deserve that kind of press escapes me. All they need is a charismatic leader and it will be a full fledged cult.

I am very close to the area mentioned, and it is certainly true that it is in a relatively religious region. I don't mow my grass or start up the chainsaw on Sunday morning...let me put it that way.;)

DeseoUnTaco
October 15, 2005, 07:43 PM
taco.
I have role played gor online for quite sometime

Sorry Lupinus, didn't mean to bash on Gor. In many ways it is a very strange set of beliefs and perspective, and yet there are some insights in it. Particularly for the time when it came out, when feminism was at its peak, and people were trying out new ideas, some of which didn't pan out. Basically there was an idea (still held in some circles) that there is / should be no difference between men and women, that women like men who are weak, etc, none of which turned out to be good advice. Maybe Gor is the opposite pole from that perpsective. Certainly there has been a feminist backlash which continues strongly to this day. Anyway, this is way off topic for this thread and for THR.

hillbilly
October 15, 2005, 08:44 PM
Spocahp anar, as someone else has pointed out, "succession" is not the same as "secession."

I would also like to point out that "exodus" means a group of people moving OUT OF an area, usually fleeing something. Exodus is exactly the opposite of folks moving into an area......

hillbilly

Nehemiah Scudder
October 15, 2005, 09:34 PM
Is Gor off topic? On the world of Gor, firearms are banned.

You gotta duke it out Medieval Style.

White Horseradish
October 16, 2005, 03:18 AM
Real Gun, I've been wondering about that myself, ever since I've seen the website of the Constitution Party.

beerslurpy
October 16, 2005, 05:18 AM
What an odd term. Promoting Christian control of the law is hardly constitutional.

Politically active christianity is bad for the exact same reason that communists are bad when they get power. Both systems assume that it is possible for a political leader to be completely infallible and incorruptible, and both systems remove any external moral compass from the government. The communists reject all religion- the theocrats reject all religion but the one they control. They are just two parallel paths to tyranny.

The Protestant Reformation came about largely because of growing outrage over the morally dubious political policies of the medieval Catholic Church. The Holy Roman Empire didnt really exist- by the time it was a full-fledged empire, it was very far from holy and not very roman either. You cannot rule effectively and remain morally clean.

Hasnt this been proven enough times already? Politicians always get dirty- the only thing that keeps them honest is fear of public outrage over their actions. There need to be untarnished religious figures who have great public influence to stir up outrage and get the bastards thrown out of office. When influential religious groups and figures become enmeshed in the ugly workings of government, dont you think that will affect their ability to speak and act honestly?

Dont fool yourself that churches have a better process for vetting candidates than the government does (elections!)- power attracts evil men, and evil men have the ability to gain the trust of those around them. This is why they are called "good politicians." If you move the power into the church, the evil will go there instead of into government.

c_yeager
October 16, 2005, 05:26 AM
So, move conservative's into a state that's already reasonably conservative?


Please dont confuse political conservatives with religious fanatics. They want to turn SC into the Christian version of Afghanistan, and that will be a far cry from a conservatives paradise.

Lupinus
October 16, 2005, 10:47 AM
Ah so that is what it is about.

I read a few year's ago about a plan for that actualy, and what the law's would be.

Scary redicules stuff was on the list.

spocahp anar
October 16, 2005, 06:05 PM
You're right I meant secession not sucession; and these guys do want a THEOCRACY. You would have to watch the news coverage to really get the point for what they want to achieve.


Realgun; Where do you live.? I am in Greenwood.

solareclipse
October 16, 2005, 06:12 PM
It is their right to relocate... i'll generally ignore the reasons as it is no different than moving just because you don't like snow and such.

Owen
October 16, 2005, 06:20 PM
I love it when they talk about the christian principles of the founding fathers, when many, many of them were not christian at all.

Lupinus
October 16, 2005, 07:19 PM
I hope it stay's small and relativly inefective.

I am moving next year to the Anderson area.

Conservative Im fine with.

Heck, a little backward's Im fine with so long as I don't see a lot of guy's in pointy white hat's

Theocracy? I'll be ticked off if I have to move agian.

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