What would write on your permit application?


March 30, 2003, 10:31 AM
Question -- I live in a city that doesn't give Class A permits (concealed and ten round or more gun licenses) so they gave me a Class B which means I can carry exposed and empty and can't buy a gun with 10 round or more -- it must be nine and under. This severely limits what I can purchase, especially in the Beretta that I love, so I'm thinking of going back again to take another shot at it. On the permit application, it asks for the "Reason(s) for requesting the issurance of card or license." How should I word this? I've decided to ask for the Class A restricted for target and range. At least I can buy the gun I want if they won't let me carry. Appreciate any advice and no, I can't move to another city or state or something I can use please. Thanks in advance.:)

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March 30, 2003, 10:43 AM
I should add in addition to this question on the application, I'll have a face to face meeting with the detective. I'll probably just repeat the same thing on the form but what should I say to him when he asks why I won't stay with the Class B? Thanks again people.:)

March 30, 2003, 11:07 AM
They won't let you purchase a pistol that'll hold even 9 rounds?? Geez. I think I'd write something like:

"You can take your :cuss: permits and shove them where the sun don't shine, 'cuz I'm getting out of your socialist city as fast as I can get my possessions in my car."

Uh...well, I just reread your post and noticed you said you can't leave. I'm really, really sorry. Maybe some serious kissing up could work (if you can swallow your dignity long enough to write it).

March 30, 2003, 11:22 AM
Aside from the wise remarks that you are sure to get, I assume you would like a "real" one or so. How about, most of the bad guys have weapons of more than 10 rounds so I need that many to level the playing field. Or 9rounds or less would seriously limit the choice of weapons that are available (in my price range). Also rule out revolvers (if you want to) with the answer of the local LEs don't have to use them so the autos must be more efficient as per their own municipal government. Having the statistics of arrested bgs and the weapons they are arrested with would sure help as would how many weapons are available with more and how many with less than 10 rounds so you can just spiel off the numbers and hopefully impress the drone who asks these questions. Quantrill

March 30, 2003, 11:58 AM
so they gave me a Class B which means I can carry exposed and empty and can't buy a gun with 10 round or more -- it must be nine and under.

Ok..let me get this straight. With a Class B permit you have to carry open with an EMPTY gun???

They gotta be kidding right?

If they are serious then save your money and buy the weapon you want. Carrying an empty gun openly will only serve to get you killed. Get the Class A.

Good SHooting

March 30, 2003, 01:38 PM
They'll probably never let me carry concealed but at least with the restriction on the A, I can buy what I want. What can I say, the Chief's a dolt. If the rapes in the North End and going to retrieve my car in an empty lot at night -- in the rear doesn't sway him for concealed carry -- nothing short of an assault will.:scrutiny:

March 30, 2003, 01:52 PM
Do you engage in organized pistol competition> I don't know your country's laws but there may be provisions for allowing you to purchase a 10 round mag if you are in competition that requires it?

Really tough situation.

Mike Irwin
March 30, 2003, 02:23 PM
How about "Gimmie the :cuss: ing permit or I'll come back and bust a cap in your :cuss: ing heads!"

No? Why? :)

Chances are, unless you get a job where you're carting dinero around, or become a heavy duty contributor to the local political machine, you're just wasting your time in Kennedyburg...

March 30, 2003, 03:54 PM
You wanna know who really knows the details of the Mass. permit process? The Boston chapter of the pink pistols. If I'm not mistaken, Doug Krick does have a class A license in Boston.

Ask this question on the mailing list/Yahoo group.


March 30, 2003, 04:03 PM
Since I'm in Nazifornia, I would start off with:

"Since I know you are going to throw this in the garbage anyway, here's what I think of you, your f---ing governor, your state, and the horse you rode in on...."

March 30, 2003, 04:04 PM
Money in the right hands has been known to grease the wheels of government. ;)

March 30, 2003, 06:26 PM
Did they give you a reason why all you could get was a class B? That seem odd that they wouldnt allow even a "Sport and Hunting" Class A. Are there any cities near Boston that issue for ALP?

March 30, 2003, 07:36 PM
Stupid isn't it? They never even told me I could have the option of restricted for target and sporting. Imagine how angry I was when I realized I could have asked for that -- at least I could get the Berettas I wanted. I intend to try and change it to that since there's a snowball's chance in Hell of being allowed to carry. Thanks for the link BTW for the Pink Pistols. Appreciate everyone's feedback.:D

March 30, 2003, 07:39 PM
Wow! Interesting link...:what: I'm not gay but I'll ask about what I should write on the application. Maybe they hear this question a lot. At this point, I'm open to everyone's suggestion. Thanks again.:D

March 30, 2003, 08:01 PM
Any Lawful Purpose

March 30, 2003, 08:11 PM
try indicating the bad situation that exists in the north end as well as your need to walk to your car unaccompanied at night in this area. you could also try to come up with some valid sounding story about how you are occasionally required to carry large sums of cash while walking in the dark to your car in the bad area. what do you do for work? you could be the one who has to make the deposits for your employer. if your employer is on your side about this they could verify it for you. that would go a long way.

catch my drift?

one thing bothering me though, while yes, a barretta is an italian design weapon, you do know that the shotgun is the prefered weapon of all us italians...


March 30, 2003, 09:02 PM
I feel for you, Mas. Thank God I live in a gun friendly state!

If you don't mind me asking, why can't you move? Is it family or something?

March 30, 2003, 09:17 PM
No one in my family is working -- parents retired, I'm umemployed for three years and can't find work even with a M.Ed. in TESOL and 5 month computer study. Why can't I move? No money, no job, no family in another state. I am thinking of trying to get into bartending -- maybe that will be a hook for the Class A unrestricted....:scrutiny: As far as "for all lawful purposes, tried that including submitting a page and half letter detailing the dangers of working the North End and going to my car at night. As I said, the Chief's a dolt...:banghead:

March 30, 2003, 09:38 PM
I know it will work out for the best. Let us know what happens.

March 30, 2003, 09:56 PM
the Chief's a dolt...

Thats the worst part of Chap 180. Four years ago when I got my LTC, we had a decent chief. Now they imported a new chief from Illinois(we know thier track record with CCW) and my permits up for renewal this summer. I hope I dont lose my ALP.

Bruce H
March 30, 2003, 10:02 PM
People who make these rules need a choice of a class A or class B funeral.

Class a, casket
Class b, tossed in the brush.

March 30, 2003, 10:57 PM
I believe that the class B permit was for 10 round magazine capasity or less.. Class A for over 10 rounds.. About the open carry thing I believe that there is no such thing ..Seems to me that I remember a while back that a licensed owner was seen by a citizen to be carrying, it showed, and was arrested and his permit was pulled.. Can't remember just what he was charged with though..
On the Four Saesons web site is one persons experences in getting a permit renewal in Boston..Interesting reading and enough to make one happy to live out west...

Quintin Likely
March 30, 2003, 11:00 PM
In Georgia, I didn't have to put down any reason...

Guy I work with who lives in Alabama put down "varmint control," though. :D

March 31, 2003, 12:12 AM
Point of interest -- and I didn't understand this myself -- the Class B the gun has to have 10 or less but so what? If the gun CAN shoot more than 10, you can't buy it. For example, the 92FS only fires 10 -- I should be able to get it. I can't. It's a Class A gun because it may fire 13 or 15 with a pre ban magazine. Stupid as Hell and I had many a going back and forth with detective until someone explained the loop hole.:fire:

March 31, 2003, 12:50 AM
I guess that with a class A even if only 10rounders are available
with a new gun if there were ever larger capasity mags available
that makes it high capasity..AKA class A...Not only handguns,the
Mini 14 for example comes with a 5round mag but there are available aftermarket and even OEM large cap mags..Class A..
The really bad thing about the permit system is that everything is at the descretion of the issueing officer..No standardization..
Did you ever check the GOAL web site ?? Another one to check is
www.largo.org ..The four seasons site has lawyer listings for "help" with permit problems but I imagine that it would not be cheap..
Check out these web sites and even ask at your favorite shop and range,there just might be someone that can answer your questions..
Good luck Girl !!!!

March 31, 2003, 07:40 AM
if them morons make you carry an empty gun, they are just begging for someone to:

A. harm you and

B. put another stolen gun on the street.

some gun laws...

i like how those who know zip about guns are the ones making all the inane rules.

i'm sure its all been said here before so i'll leave it alone...


March 31, 2003, 07:50 AM

March 31, 2003, 03:14 PM
We already know those folks do not want any of us to have any firearms at all. That is why they have these laws. Making sense has nothing to do with it.

Now, it sounds like you have to have a permit just to buy a pistol, is that right ??? Otherwise I'd say a CCW is like a lot of other places, you need power, or money, or connections to get one.

We are moving to a friendly State when I can retire from this job.

March 31, 2003, 05:29 PM
excerpt from http://www.state.ma.us/legis/laws/mgl/140-131.htm

(b) A Class B license shall entitle a holder thereof to purchase, rent, lease, borrow, possess and carry: (i) non-large capacity firearms and feeding devices and ammunition therefor, for all lawful purposes, subject to such restrictions relative to the possession, use or carrying of such firearm as the licensing authority deems proper; provided, however, that a Class B license shall not entitle the holder thereof to carry or possess a loaded firearm in a concealed manner in any public way or place; and provided further, that a Class B license shall not entitle the holder thereof to possess a large capacity firearm, except under a Class A club license issued under this section or under the direct supervision of a holder of a valid Class A license at an incorporated shooting club or licensed shooting range; and (ii) rifles and shotguns, including large capacity rifles and shotguns, and feeding devices and ammunition therefor, for all lawful purposes; provided, however, that the licensing authority may impose such restrictions relative to the possession, use or carrying of large capacity rifles and shotguns as he deems proper. A violation of a restriction provided under this paragraph, or a restriction imposed by the licensing authority under the provisions of this paragraph, shall be cause for suspension or revocation and shall, unless otherwise provided, be punished by a fine of not less than $1,000 nor more than $10,000; provided, however, that the provisions of section 10 of chapter 269 shall not apply to such violation.

Technically, it appears that you can carry a concealed, unloaded, non-hi-cap firearm, but you may want to check and see if there's already been a test case. Realistically, you shouldn't carry open in MA - there are brandishing laws (IIRC) against it, and it's just plain asking for problems with sheelple and the local police.

As already mentioned, you should check out www.goal.org and www.massgunlaw.com.

Also, you can sue the cheif to try to force them to give you a class A LTC, and the only reason to list is "All Lawful Purposes". If it's "For Target Shooting Only", and your car breaks down on the way to the range, you better take the guns home before accompanying your car to the mechanic's, or you'll be in violation of your license.

[I]Edited to correct a spelling mistake.

March 31, 2003, 05:39 PM
note to self:
thank god i live in a shall-issue state!

in your interview, use the analagy of a cell phone. what good would it do in an emergency situation if you couldnt carry it with its battery installed, because some law wants to prevent people from calling the operator accidentally or unnecessarily.
ask the detective if in his firearms training, were they told the average number of seconds before they would need to draw their weapon, and if they had to fumble for a magazine, insert it, rack the slide, how many more fatalities they would have on their hands?
and you can quote the statistics that prove that women are targeted as victims of assaults more often than men are.

March 31, 2003, 05:58 PM
I should look for the numbers online somewhere. They pushed mace but I responded "What do suggest I do when the wind shifts sharply?:scrutiny:

Carlos Cabeza
March 31, 2003, 06:17 PM
Mas, it floors me to think that your safety means little or nothing to these fools. An assault on someone only needs to happen once for a chance on YOUR LIFE ! :fire: Being the victim of an early morning (4am) home invasion type burglary myself, It only takes once to think of the ways to prevent a repeat occurrence. I know you said you can't move but you can come to Oklahoma and we'll treat you like family !!!!!! you'll get a CCW no problem...

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