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griz
October 17, 2005, 01:30 AM
Why doesn't someone sell sabots to reload 12 gauge slugs? Loaded rounds are almost $2 a round. It wouldn't be hard to save a few bucks even if the sabots were a little expensive.

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ReloaderFred
October 17, 2005, 02:39 AM
I cast my own 12 gauge slugs in a Lyman mold and use AA wads in AA cases. The data is in the Lyman Shotshell Loading Manual and through my Remington 870, with a rifled barrel, it will put four rounds into about 3 1/2" @ 100 yards, with a muzzle velocity in the area of 1,400 fps.

I'm using the wasp waist hollow base mold, that throws a slug that looks like a pellet for an airgun, on steroids. The last deer I took with it went down like it had been hit with a hammer.

Fred

snuffy
October 17, 2005, 01:09 PM
Also consider the lee key slug that uses common shotshell wads for loading with standard reloaders, using the star crimp.

http://photos.imageevent.com/jptowns/terrysoops/websize/P1010021.JPG

These have to be cast yourself, unless you can find someone to do some for you. Also you have to buy their mold. The loads in the above pic shot into a 4 inch group at 50 yds. The slugs were cast out of wheel weights which would not work well for deer hunting.

http://photos.imageevent.com/jptowns/terrysoops/websize/bullets%20front.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/jptowns/terrysoops/websize/front.jpg

These pics show slugs and REAL bullets cast of PURE lead. Certified 99.98% pure lead bought from midway usa. I stress that because most lead thought to be pure, actually has some tin and antimony in it. Unless you're friends with an old time plumer that can still get pig lead, you can't be certain it's pure.

griz
October 17, 2005, 03:32 PM
I was thinking more along the lines of the high dollar 50 caliber bullets, but I do have a couple questions about the Lee slugs Snuffy. I bought the mold but have only loaded a couple rounds. Does it work OK with the crimp folded down alongside the wad? The ones I loaded were flush, more or less. But I like the idea of being able to see the slug instead of relying on labeling to prevent mix ups. Also, what would be the problem with wheelweights for the slugs? Seems it would still punch a three quarter inch hole?

snuffy
October 17, 2005, 04:34 PM
I was thinking more along the lines of the high dollar 50 caliber bullets, but I do have a couple questions about the Lee slugs Snuffy. I bought the mold but have only loaded a couple rounds. Does it work OK with the crimp folded down alongside the wad? The ones I loaded were flush, more or less. But I like the idea of being able to see the slug instead of relying on labeling to prevent mix ups. Also, what would be the problem with wheelweights for the slugs? Seems it would still punch a three quarter inch hole?

My concerns about hard cast,(wheelweights), slugs, is that there would be little or no expansion. The foster type slugs are dead soft and do expand, especially the hollow point variety.

I too worried about whether the wad would get mangled while pushing open the crimp. In fact a couple of flyers I at first atributed to me flinching, may have bee the wad getting damaged. I may try some pure lead ones, with a trimmed back wad, to alow the slug itself to open the crimp.

As for the sabots you want, take a look here;="http://www.ballisticproducts.com/bpi/art/slugs/colletsabot_sm105.JPG"

Ballistic products also has other slugs, some exotic ones. They also have a manual for loading slugs as well as other speciality shotgun stuff.="http://www.ballisticproducts.com/bpi/homepage.html"

Order up a catalog from their website. I've dealt with them for quite a while, they have a lot of stuff that actually works!

griz
October 17, 2005, 07:36 PM
Thanks Snuffy. I'll try some straight lead and see if I get some expansion.

mohican
November 3, 2005, 03:01 PM
I've killed deer with the lyman 12 gauge sabot slug, and since it uses a standard wad as the sabot, you can use wheel weights for lead even if it doesn't expand much, a 12 or 20 gauge hole from a non expanding slug is probably bigger than what many 50 cal saboted bullets will expand to.

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