Stoopid Gun Store!


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TrafficMan
October 17, 2005, 11:16 PM
so i put a rifle on lay away this weekend (pre64 Model 94 Winchester 30-30) and put $125.00 down on the rifle...

check the bank account tonite and they charged the full ammount ($495.00) plus my down payment ($125.00)

it rattled me to say the least, considering i have car payment and insurance checks out there that won't clear...called the bank tonite and the guy said i should be good to go, he's gonna call the shop tommorow and get things squared away...anyways, bank says the checks will clear regardless considering i am disputing the charge...

frustrating to say the least!

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Lupinus
October 17, 2005, 11:17 PM
Ah gotta love screw up's like this. Many a check I've bounced from stupid crap a company is charging me for they wont supposed to charge.

Turtle Club
October 18, 2005, 12:16 AM
Use this to your advantage. Go back to the merchant. Be very policte, then once they replace the incorrect amount in to your account. Kindly as that once your layaway is paid off that for the trouble you would like 200 rounds of top shelf ammo FREE. If not threaten to take business elswhere.

Moparmike
October 18, 2005, 01:26 AM
Turtle Club, where do you live? I deal with the best gunstore within 20 miles and they would laugh at you if you said that. Oh, they dont do haggling, really. I have never encountered a store that did...

patrol120
October 18, 2005, 01:49 AM
There must be some crappy gunshops around. Theres not a store or dealer within 50 miles that waont haggle, and throw in free stuff. If the store did that, they owe you a discount, at least. Of course, my dealer does free transfers for me. He says that if he cant beat the price, he owes me the transfer.

Iv only had to use him once for a transfer, by the way.

mr.trooper
October 18, 2005, 02:28 AM
where the heck do you go to buy guns?!?!?

I wouldnt go to a store that wouldn't haggle. iv alwase been able to haggle um' down at least $100. THe more guns i buy from them, the less they charge me. I got my last purchase, a NIB Ruger M77 MKII, for about 5% over dealer price :cool:

Haggl'n is where its at!

Lupinus
October 18, 2005, 02:33 AM
Haggling is good.

I can see first or maybe second purchese.

But if you go there a lot they should be willing to haggle a bit. And most definatly be willing to give you a discount or some freebies if they make a big screw up like this.

And that's ANY buisness IMO. If they won't make it right I take my buisness elsewhere.

TrapdoorBilly
October 18, 2005, 02:35 AM
I got my last purchase, a NIB Ruger M77 MKII, for about 5% over dealer price :cool:

Haggl'n is where its at!

Not knowing how much you paid for the gun I can not dispute your statement, but think about this. Just how long do you think this guy will be able stay in business if he continues this practice?

oct_97
October 18, 2005, 08:26 AM
I once had a prospective customer tell me he did not allow dealers to make a profit from him, he was invited to immediately vacate the building.

Onmilo
October 18, 2005, 08:33 AM
Never use a debit card, end of frustrations,,,,

larry starling
October 18, 2005, 08:36 AM
I don't have a problem with a store making a profit. Thats what there in buisness to do. But I do have issues when a store marks somthing up higher than MSRP. There is one store I go to in Charlotte and said store has a Blue Colt Goldcup. Price is $1399.00 thats almost 100 bucks more than MSRP.....***????:eek:

ScottsGT
October 18, 2005, 08:36 AM
Being the business minded person I am, I realize that a store HAS to make money to stay alive. Friday I went into my local store to buy a used Colt.GCNM. Price was marked at a really good price for a slightly used top of the line Colt. I did ask if the price could be dropped, but didn't push the issue, just gave him my deposit.
The way I see it, if they were'nt there, the original owner would not have traded in, they would not of had it for sale, and I would have never seen the gun to buy it. BTW, he even told me they are making 15% on the sale.

middy
October 18, 2005, 12:29 PM
If it was a debit card and it was a pending transaction, then it may not have been intended to post until the transaction was complete.

A lot of debit card users read their pending transactions as gospel and then raise hell with the bank and vendor over nothing. e.g.; A lot of banks will automatically add a 20% tip on pending transactions with restaurants. The true amount will come through when it posts.

Scoupe
October 18, 2005, 12:52 PM
Years ago I managed high end bicycle shops. We (the shop personel) would have a private a chuckle whenever a customer would use the "I'm a good customer, I deserve a discount" line.

Our response: A good customer pays the fair markup so I can stay in business.

IMO, all the shop owes you is the refund on the extra billing and an apology. If there were charges accrued from bounced checks, they owe you that too.

Moonclip
October 18, 2005, 04:25 PM
It's the age old dilemma, they can charge what they want and you can choose where you want to do business. That pretty much sums it up. You no like,you no buy! That being said though, I do not haggle too much except at maybe a pawnshop or private sale as I want my local delaers to stay in busiess, at least some of them!

However in this case, I'd say the dealer could throw in something tangible besides an apology for all the trouble he caused the customer.

My dad once got 5 boxes of Speer Lawman 45acp ball for a major screwup in the firearms paperwork that required him to make an extra trip to the store and a waste of like one hour of his time. Store had originally offered like 3-5 boxes of 9x19 but he asked for and got the better ammo.

I once got a $15 dollar gift certificate from Big 5 for a pretty good screwup and employee attitude and I once got a $10 one because like a year later in an ATF audit they found I did not sign my 4473 and they had to have me go back to do so.

Lupinus
October 18, 2005, 04:55 PM
I don't think anyone think's a buisness should give you a product at a signifigint discount for no reason. You are there to make money, most people understand this. A very expensive item for a good customer, I think you could haggle a bit. Do you have to? No.

But a big screw up? Then yes after that I as a customer feel that I should be getting a little something. Esspecialy if I am a regular customer and spend quite a bit there. If I go to a resturant and everythign they send out is screwed up, I expect some money off the bill. If I buy a new car and it has one problem after another, I expect it to be fixed or replaced and some money taken off what I owe depending on the level of aggravation. If a compnay double charges me, I expect the extra back plus a little bonus. It show's that they are sorry and willing to make it up in order make things right and keep your buisness. Do I expect it free? No. Do I expect it even half off or at his cost? No. But I do expect a little something off or extra something thrown in for the price. If all your willing to do is give me back what you screwed up, depending on just how bad a screw up, I might be inclined to find someplace else to take my buisness. Agian, I don't expect it for next to nothing but I do expect something in return.

At the very least in this case they should throw in a few box's of ammo.

TrafficMan
October 18, 2005, 06:39 PM
Everything has been squared away. Did I get anything extra? No. Did I get an apology? Yes. That's fine by me.

I really didn't expect anything "extra" anyways...and at no time during any of this process did I raise hell or act like an azzhole.

I called the store this morning, explained the situation and that the bank would be calling to straighten things out and boom...everything is fine and the money is back in my account. All Good.....

tc300mag1
October 18, 2005, 06:43 PM
Good Deal Things happen at least you were calm about it

MachIVshooter
October 18, 2005, 11:16 PM
where the heck do you go to buy guns?!?!?

. I got my last purchase, a NIB Ruger M77 MKII, for about 5% over dealer price :cool:

Haggl'n is where its at!

Which is only about 7% off a normal decent price. Place I deal with sells Ruger M77 MkII either wood/blue or allweather in standard calibers for $459.

Most shops mark up 8-15% on new guns. Local dealer only made about $90 on my AR-10A2C. Accessories and used is where they make money.

Greg L
October 18, 2005, 11:36 PM
A lot of debit card users read their pending transactions as gospel and then raise hell with the bank and vendor over nothing.

Then again there are banks that will take the pending amount (even if WAY overestimated) as gospel according to what is available & hit you with overdraft fees even if in the end you wouldn't have been with what came through on the actual charges.

(yes I have had a couple of fights over that & switched banks once)

Lupinus
October 19, 2005, 12:16 AM
I have had check card hold's that the bank charged me both when it went on hold and when it was actualy taken from the acount.

larry_minn
October 19, 2005, 12:43 AM
I always make a offer. The seller can say no or make a counter offer. IF I am buying multiple things. (Gun/holster/ammo/etc) then I make a group offer. When they raise it I often accept it if they throw in some ear plugs/shooting glasses/targets/etc. (cheap stuff)
A person SHOULD get something for having to deal with THEIR mistakes. I spent over one HOUR and 20 minutes over 4 days *business days* to get a $160 credit on my card. I finally got a gal (fourth person I was passed to/start all over/explain THEIR program) who said something like this. "Ok I understand, This is very simple to fix I just change this to 6% like the contract says and multiply it by purchases and I get $160 and that is not credited to your account. I am sorry for this and the time it took to fix it." Took her less then 4minutes to understand/fix problem. Other calls I was on hold for 10 minutes (I hang up at 10 minutes on hold) (they have my call back number)

Dionysusigma
October 19, 2005, 01:09 AM
Bought a Yugo M48 today. :D However, I am still a person of limited means...

Me: "Please convince me to buy this."

Owner of store: "I'll toss in a 70-round bandoleer for free." (70-round bandoleers are $10 at this place)

Me: "Done." :)

mr.trooper
October 19, 2005, 01:39 AM
No worries Billy. He actualy jinked me a bit on the first gun i got from him :p about $50 to high. That, and i buy range time from him all the time. That store has been there for over a decade. I think he will be ok.

TrapdoorBilly
October 19, 2005, 07:06 AM
No worries Billy. He actualy jinked me a bit on the first gun i got from him :p about $50 to high. That, and i buy range time from him all the time. That store has been there for over a decade. I think he will be ok.

Maybe at least $50.00. Probably gets ya and everyone else on the range time too. :)

c_yeager
October 19, 2005, 07:20 AM
Oh, they dont do haggling, really. I have never encountered a store that did...

I have never been into a gunstore that *didnt* do haggling.

Jet22
October 19, 2005, 09:53 AM
I got my last purchase, a NIB Ruger M77 MKII, for about 5% over dealer price

Was it the dealers actual invoice price or "dealers cost". "Dealers cost" as set by Ruger is 18% off "Retail Price" as set by Ruger. Distributors cost is 36% off retail. Most large dealers pay 30-32.5% off retail cost. Some dealers may get up to 34.5% off retail plus dating (payment not due for 3, 6, or more months). It is dog eat dog in the distributors world and a smart dealer can do very well with pricing. Some sporting lines are avalible for up to 61% off retail and more. The entire line!! I once worked as a buyer for a large sporting goods store and know of what I speak. We bought most lines direct and at pricing better than most distributors had. In the distributors world, what you are paying for a product line is a highly guarded secret. You are aways trying to get a better price than all the other distributors to give yourself a pricing advantage. We used distributors for "fill in" when we didn't buy enough of a product line to last untill our next order (some lines we only could order as little as once a year). With Ruger, dealers have to buy through a distributor after the big S&W thing in the mid 80's (Ruger cut out most of their distributors and would only let a distributor sell their product if they didn't handle S&W...came out to 36 distributors when the dust cleared). One Ruger distributor we bought from was located in an area that they had a hard time moveing handguns. They would dump handguns in our market at a loss (when dating was figured in). Our other Ruger suppliers were not very happy about it.

I have been out of the business for about 15 years and I am sure some things have changed, but many are the same. Just don't look at the "dealers cost" sticker on a new car and think thats what the auto dealer paid.

PS: We used to use "dealers cost" on the Ruger price sheet as our price to sell to the pubic. It saved any mathwork!!

Mongo the Mutterer
October 19, 2005, 10:03 AM
I always expect my dealer to make a profit. But I will always negotiate. Why? The worst thing that will happen is he says "no".

I've heard "no" a lot in my life, but I get "yes" a lot too...

I never let my ego get in the way of the deal, either. Strictly business.

And once I do the deal, I don't look back... (only sometimes :o )

yorick
October 19, 2005, 01:46 PM
BRIAN:
How much? Quick.
HARRY THE HAGGLER:
What?
BRIAN:
It's for the wife.
HARRY THE HAGGLER:
Oh. Uhhh, twenty shekels.
BRIAN:
Right.
HARRY THE HAGGLER:
What?
BRIAN:
There you are.
HARRY THE HAGGLER:
Wait a minute.
BRIAN:
What?
HARRY THE HAGGLER:
Well, we're-- we're supposed to haggle.
BRIAN:
No, no. I've got to get--
HARRY THE HAGGLER:
What do you mean, 'no, no, no'?
BRIAN:
I haven't time. I've got--
HARRY THE HAGGLER:
Well, give it back, then.
BRIAN:
No, no, no. I just paid you.
HARRY THE HAGGLER:
Burt!
BURT:
Yeah?
HARRY THE HAGGLER:
This bloke won't haggle.
BURT:
Won't haggle?!
BRIAN:
All right. Do we have to?
HARRY THE HAGGLER:
Now, look. I want twenty for that.
BRIAN:
I-- I just gave you twenty.
HARRY THE HAGGLER:
Now, are you telling me that's not worth twenty shekels?
BRIAN:
No.
HARRY THE HAGGLER:
Look at it. Feel the quality. That's none of your goat.
BRIAN:
All right. I'll give you nineteen then.
HARRY THE HAGGLER:
No, no, no. Come on. Do it properly.
BRIAN:
What?
HARRY THE HAGGLER:
Haggle properly. This isn't worth nineteen.
BRIAN:
Well, you just said it was worth twenty.
HARRY THE HAGGLER:
Ohh, dear. Ohh, dear. Come on. Haggle.
BRIAN:
Huh. All right. I'll give you ten.
HARRY THE HAGGLER:
That's more like it. Ten?! Are you trying to insult me?! Me, with a poor dying grandmother?! Ten?!
BRIAN:
All right. I'll give you eleven.
HARRY THE HAGGLER:
Now you're gettin' it. Eleven?! Did I hear you right?! Eleven?! This cost me twelve. You want to ruin me?!
BRIAN:
Seventeen?
HARRY THE HAGGLER:
No, no, no, no. Seventeen.
BRIAN:
Eighteen?
HARRY THE HAGGLER:
No, no. You go to fourteen now.
BRIAN:
All right. I'll give you fourteen.
HARRY THE HAGGLER:
Fourteen?! Are you joking?!
[PICTURE]
BRIAN:
That's what you told me to say.
HARRY THE HAGGLER:
Ohh, dear.
BRIAN:
Ohh, tell me what to say. Please!
HARRY THE HAGGLER:
Offer me fourteen.
BRIAN:
I'll give you fourteen.
HARRY THE HAGGLER:
He's offering me fourteen for this!
BRIAN:
Fifteen!
HARRY THE HAGGLER:
Seventeen. My last word. I won't take a penny less, or strike me dead.
BRIAN:
Sixteen.
HARRY THE HAGGLER:
Done. Nice to do business with you.
BRIAN:
Huh.
HARRY THE HAGGLER:
Tell you what. I'll throw you in this as well.
BRIAN:
I don't want it, but thanks.
HARRY THE HAGGLER:
Burt!
BURT:
Yeah?
BRIAN:
All right! All right. All right.
HARRY THE HAGGLER:
Now, where's the sixteen you owe me?
BRIAN:
I just gave you twenty.
HARRY THE HAGGLER:
Oh, yeah. That's right. That's four I owe you, then.
BRIAN:
Well, that's all right. That's fine. That's fine.
HARRY THE HAGGLER:
No. Hang on. I've got it here somewhere.
BRIAN:
That's all right. That's four for the gourd.
HARRY THE HAGGLER:
Four? For this gourd? Four?! Look at it. It's worth ten if it's worth a shekel.
BRIAN:
But you just gave it to me for nothing.
HARRY THE HAGGLER:
Yes, but it's worth ten!
BRIAN:
All right. All right.
HARRY THE HAGGLER:
No, no, no, no. It's not worth ten. You're supposed to argue, 'Ten for that? You must be mad!' Ohh, well. [sniff] One born every minute.



- Monty Python "The Life of Brian"

spacemanspiff
October 19, 2005, 02:29 PM
i'm confused.

this was done on a bank debit card? why didnt they just put $125 on it and do another transaction when more money is put down on it?

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