Rapper-actor Sticky Fingaz arrested on gun charge


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gunsmith
October 18, 2005, 10:57 PM
Crosby got away with it lets see if black ...uh..."musicans" can as well.

http://news.google.com/news?imgefp=ryxlqDxa9QIJ&imgurl=www.rapweekly.com/images%255Csticky_fingaz.jpg

Rapper-actor Sticky Fingaz arrested on gun charge

October 18, 2005, 7:45 PM EDT


NEW YORK (AP) _ The rapper-turned-actor known as "Sticky Fingaz" has been arrested on a charge that he left an unlicensed handgun in a Manhattan hotel room, police said.

The performer, whose given name is Kirk Jones, surrendered to police Tuesday morning and was awaiting arraignment on one count of criminal weapon possession.
Police said Jones had been staying at the Flatotel, a luxury hotel a few blocks from Times Square, and left a 9mm pistol behind when he checked out on Monday.

Hotel staff discovered the weapon and called police. Jones, who became famous as a member of he rap group Onyx, was subsequently identified as the room's last occupant.

Jones, 35, and originally from Queens, was not licensed to carry the weapon, said police detective Kevin Czartoryski.

Jones was in custody Tuesday evening. He is appearing in an FX network television show called "Over There," about American soldiers in Iraq. He plays a character named "Smoke," who enlists in the Army to avoid a prison sentence.

A publicist for the FX network said he was unaware of the arrest and referred calls to Jones' manager, Brian Wilkins, who said he had no information about the incident. Jones' agent, Michael Greenwald, did not immediately return a phone message.

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Standing Wolf
October 18, 2005, 11:01 PM
No American citizen should ever need a government license to keep and bear arms.

M-Rex
October 18, 2005, 11:13 PM
No American citizen should ever need a government license to keep and bear arms.

No American citizen should ever listen to (c)rap. Rap music isn't music. It's just noise.;) :neener: ;) :neener:

GoRon
October 18, 2005, 11:26 PM
I don't care for his character on Over There. I didn't know who he was until I read this thread.

How do you forget your gun?

gunsmith
October 18, 2005, 11:32 PM
How do you forget your gun?


Easy! 1st, you smoke alot of pot...

LAR-15
October 18, 2005, 11:34 PM
Who is 'Crosby'?

Kurush
October 18, 2005, 11:35 PM
Oh god, not Sticky! Tell me it's a lie Sticky, tell me they set you up! Oh the humanity!

Dragun
October 18, 2005, 11:36 PM
Crosby, Still, Nash, and sometimes Young.

gunsmith
October 19, 2005, 12:25 AM
read it and weep


http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=89965&highlight=Crosby

The_Antibubba
October 19, 2005, 04:11 AM
Could've been worse-he could've been Sticky Triggah Fingaz! :uhoh:

larry starling
October 19, 2005, 04:25 AM
Wow care's? It seem's to me that all those gangster rap won't a be's, are allways getting arrested for gun charges. I hope the through the book at this idiot. Remember it's idiot's like him who give us legal gun owners a bad name....:cuss:

Cosmoline
October 19, 2005, 04:56 AM
Sometimes these guys try to get a minor weapons charge or two to boost sales by increasing their street 'cred.

That said, NYC is a fascist state. I cared about it for about a week after 9/11, but it wore off.

Lucky
October 19, 2005, 05:58 AM
Well, it is wrong to improperly store a pistol like that.

Ironic, eh, he's in trouble for possession, but the problem is actually his lack thereof.

K-Romulus
October 19, 2005, 09:06 AM
and nothing else . . .:scrutiny:

Janitor
October 19, 2005, 09:25 AM
Way beyond dumb to leave one's sidarm laying about like that - obviously forgotten.

But he should get a ticket for being stupid maybe. Not for simple ownership - not even possesion as pointed out above. Had they found it in a hotel room in the US - the hotel staff probably would have gotten in touch with him rather than the law.

El Tejon
October 19, 2005, 12:03 PM
BTDT.:D Left a 1911 on the hotel sink after visiting the library.:uhoh: Belt felt light when going for coffee, set land speed record going back to hotel.:o

GunGoBoom
October 19, 2005, 12:49 PM
so we're supposed to have heard of this guy?

Norm357
October 19, 2005, 01:03 PM
Thug rapper busted on gun charges? Im shocked I tell you, shocked!:what:

EddieCoyle
October 19, 2005, 01:07 PM
Way beyond dumb to leave one's sidarm laying about like that - obviously forgotten.

But he should get a ticket for being stupid maybe. Not for simple ownership - not even possesion as pointed out above. Had they found it in a hotel room in the US - the hotel staff probably would have gotten in touch with him rather than the law.

New York is not in the US?

Mongo the Mutterer
October 19, 2005, 01:25 PM
Nope, Eddie, it got thrown out this morning. People got tired of listening to Hillary and Schumer.... Ooops your in Mass. Guess you didn't get THAT news either...


:neener:

EddieCoyle
October 19, 2005, 01:33 PM
Ooops your in Mass. Guess you didn't get THAT news either...


:neener:

No, I got that memo. I just hadn't realized they'd thrown NY out too.

Soap
October 19, 2005, 02:26 PM
Let me sum up some of the comments in this thread: People who like rap are stupid, so they shouldn't own guns.

COME ON PEOPLE, since when did rights require liking a certain type of music? And whether you like it or not*, rap/hip hop culture is a HUGE part of black culture and urban culture in general. The reason why gun laws were started were to prevent these demographics from owning guns. Unregistered? WHO CARES. If you believe truly and deeply that gun ownership is a natural right, why does it bother you if some "gangsta" owns guns?


*and I know you don't know this because lately it has been evident that many THR members are more in tune with different varieties of tinfoil rather than elements of American culture.

enfield303
October 19, 2005, 02:31 PM
Ok, one question. If his name is Sticky Fingaz, why did the gun not stick?
Methinks he needs to get a Sticky Holsta.:D

thorn726
October 19, 2005, 02:34 PM
so far there is one big difference, this guy is from NY (queens being part of NYC proper also)

so his possesion may have more violations than crosby.

seems quite possible this is an illegal gun

Janitor
October 19, 2005, 02:35 PM
New York is not in the US?
Wait a minute ... you're trying to imply that it is?

thorn726
October 19, 2005, 02:41 PM
i love people in totally unpopulated states claiming the most populous states in the union are NOt part of said union.

Cosmoline
October 19, 2005, 05:43 PM
New York is not in the US?

Only in theory :D

Kurush
October 19, 2005, 05:50 PM
COME ON PEOPLE, since when did rights require liking a certain type of music? And whether you like it or not*, rap/hip hop culture is a HUGE part of black culture and urban culture in general. The reason why gun laws were started were to prevent these demographics from owning guns. Unregistered? WHO CARES. If you believe truly and deeply that gun ownership is a natural right, why does it bother you if some "gangsta" owns guns?If this were Mos Def we were talking about I would 100% agree with you. But given the violent lyrics and actual violence associated with gangsta rap it's hard to give a gangsta rapper the benefit of the doubt that he only intended it for self defense.

Especially when he writes things like this:
Kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out
Giva ****

[Sticky Fingaz]
This is AK-47, banana clip rap
Bloodstain your album cover before it get wrapped
P-89 your mind, you won't forget that
Caught behind enemy lines, you gonna get clapped
http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Shot-Up-lyrics-Sticky-Fingaz/82B22EA78EE2C94948256DC20024F232

gunsmith
October 19, 2005, 06:15 PM
as in I was born in Manhatten.
It angers me to no end that I can not visit my home town and see family and friends.
Why can't I ??

I've all ready been stabbed in NYC after "co-operating" with the dirt bag who wanted my money and I'm never letting that happen again.

It angers me that I would face a year on Rikers and a felony for packing when rich stars who vote for gun control politicians get away with it.

While I don't care for rap in the slightest and think it's useless I support the right of The People To Keep And Bear Arms

Janitor
October 19, 2005, 06:21 PM
i love people in totally unpopulated states claiming the most populous states in the union are NOt part of said union.
I lived in the PRK (LA) for 25 years. Moved out in 1975 because it was getting too crowded.

Soap
October 19, 2005, 08:02 PM
If this were Mos Def we were talking about I would 100% agree with you. But given the violent lyrics and actual violence associated with gangsta rap it's hard to give a gangsta rapper the benefit of the doubt that he only intended it for self defense.

Especially when he writes things like this:

http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Shot-Up-lyrics-Sticky-Fingaz/82B22EA78EE2C94948256DC20024F232

Is it our call to judge people's rights through interpretation of what their intentions are? Jeeze this sounds like an anti saying I shouldn't own guns because I have a violent personality because I box, go to the range, etc. Or when they uncover an "arsenal" in the newspaper where some retired guy had 20 guns...we all know you don't own 20 guns unless you don't intend for them to be for self defense :rolleyes:

P.S. His rapping does suck.

EddieCoyle
October 19, 2005, 08:43 PM
i love people in totally unpopulated states claiming the most populous states in the union are NOt part of said union.

I think he was joking.

Moonclip
October 20, 2005, 05:02 AM
If you don't like rap, don't listen to it. Hard not to though when it is the most popular selling form of music in the US and the car next to you is blasting it! And don't forget the USA is about 70-75% white and about 12% black so who just is buying and listening to this stuff:rolleyes:

Anyways Sticky Fingaz is featured in one of my favorite movies,Leprechaun 2, Back to Tha Hood!
He packs a stainless Beretta in it loaded with "hollowtips" filled with 4 leaf clovers!

thorn726
October 20, 2005, 05:17 AM
the rap thing is so ridicuolous.
Is it our call to judge people's rights through interpretation of what their intentions are? Jeeze this sounds like an anti saying I shouldn't own guns because I have a violent personality because I box, go to the range, etc.


sure, SOME of the time, this is the case. BUT why are GUNS really mentioned in rap songs, over and over???
i hear this garbage all the time.
it isnt about enjoying weapons, it's about killing over issues of turf, respect, anything and everything BUT legitimate use.

if i wlaked into a gun store rapping to myself
"gonna get me an sks cuz the n***s on the corner been given me looks"

am i going to walk out with a rifle??? (save the 10 day comment)

junyo
October 20, 2005, 07:18 AM
it isnt about enjoying weapons, it's about killing over issues of turf, respect, anything and everything BUT legitimate use.
So how exactly does one get on the commitee that determines "legitimate" use comrade? I'm thinking hunting, perhaps some skeet. And there's no "legitimate" use for that 30 round mag, so we'll just be taking that. :rolleyes:

Sheesh.

KONY
October 20, 2005, 07:43 AM
Let me sum up some of the comments in this thread: People who like rap are stupid, so they shouldn't own guns.

COME ON PEOPLE, since when did rights require liking a certain type of music? And whether you like it or not*, rap/hip hop culture is a HUGE part of black culture and urban culture in general. The reason why gun laws were started were to prevent these demographics from owning guns. Unregistered? WHO CARES. If you believe truly and deeply that gun ownership is a natural right, why does it bother you if some "gangsta" owns guns?


*and I know you don't know this because lately it has been evident that many THR members are more in tune with different varieties of tinfoil rather than elements of American culture.

+1! Sometimes I have serious doubts about the true motives behind posts.
:uhoh:

thorn726
October 20, 2005, 01:24 PM
So how exactly does one get on the commitee that determines "legitimate" use comrade? I'm thinking hunting, perhaps some skeet. And there's no "legitimate" use for that 30 round mag, so we'll just be taking that

ARGH! think man, please.
there is a HUGE difference between needing a gun for aggresion or for defense.

personally i am more inot RBKA for anti tyrannical purposes.

NONE of these are what rappers mention.

calling me comrade, nice move.

yeah , "i need a gun to blast the n**** on the corner for taking my block"

that's what RBKA is about. if you honestly believe folks that constantly talk about shooting people over respect should be given guns, fine, just give me some body armor.

as it is , the JERK that threatens to "beat my butt" for NOT wanting to buy drugs off of him- is not who i want having a gun

junyo
October 20, 2005, 05:39 PM
ARGH! think man, please.
there is a HUGE difference between needing a gun for aggresion or for defense.

personally i am more inot RBKA for anti tyrannical purposes.

NONE of these are what rappers mention.

calling me comrade, nice move.

yeah , "i need a gun to blast the n**** on the corner for taking my block"

that's what RBKA is about. if you honestly believe folks that constantly talk about shooting people over respect should be given guns, fine, just give me some body armor.

as it is , the JERK that threatens to "beat my butt" for NOT wanting to buy drugs off of him- is not who i want having a gunPlease take your own advice. Think. Once you've established the principle that people need to justify their reasons for exercising their rights, you've given the right away. Once you've said they person A can determine that person B doesn't actually need a given right, you've made person B person A's slave.

And I call you comrade because apparently you hold to the "my reasons are pure therefore I deserve more rights than the next guy" view of the world that socialists the world over use to justify their double standards. I call them like I see them.

thorn726
October 20, 2005, 06:57 PM
i hear you, the whole just sell everyone guns, no questions asked.

guess im not quite ready for that knowing how little some of these jerks value their own lives, let alone mine.

i dont think people should have to justify their reasons at the point of sale, but when a person makes repeated, wide ranging statements about how they love to shoot people over the kind of nonsense these people rap about, make it widely known they have guns for what boil down to illegal purposes (unless enforcing your drug turf is suddely legal)........

do we just sell a gun to the guy who comes in the store and says "i need to kill my wife"
and let her deal with it?

why even make murder illegal.

there has to be a line somewhere.
perhaps we should start selling guns at the prison px or whatever?

KONY
October 20, 2005, 08:47 PM
i hear you, the whole just sell everyone guns, no questions asked.

guess im not quite ready for that knowing how little some of these jerks value their own lives, let alone mine.

i dont think people should have to justify their reasons at the point of sale, but when a person makes repeated, wide ranging statements about how they love to shoot people over the kind of nonsense these people rap about, make it widely known they have guns for what boil down to illegal purposes (unless enforcing your drug turf is suddely legal)........

do we just sell a gun to the guy who comes in the store and says "i need to kill my wife"
and let her deal with it?

why even make murder illegal.

there has to be a line somewhere.
perhaps we should start selling guns at the prison px or whatever?

I feel we need to draw a line between musical preferences and the RKBA. Quite frankly, I am sick of hearing people judge who can and can exercise their right to keep and bear arms. Everyone should.

Soap
October 20, 2005, 10:28 PM
KONY- I also have to question the motive behind some posts...

thorn726- I'm glad you have heard every rapper out there to decide that they never talk about RKBA :confused: So what if someone talks about violence? If I punch a hole in my office wall because part of my portfolio tanked does that mean I can't own guns either?

thorn726
October 20, 2005, 10:39 PM
thorn726- I'm glad you have heard every rapper out there to decide that they never talk about RKBA So what if someone talks about violence?

ok lets not get nuts. i should be more specific. i dont know where exactly i said "ALL" of any group of anything.

i guess you don't understand. i guess i know too many of these "youngstas"
which the OGs refer to, the "straight killers".

all i am saying is if you have an album out where you keep saying over and over how you need a gun to do this and that and the other thing and none of them are legal, don't be suprised if no one wants to hand you a gun.

your comaprison of hitting some THING because of a /HUge disappointment to shooting someone for wearing the wrong color pants is a bit of a stretch.

its more as simple as if some guy walks into a gun store and says "i want a gun so i can kill <person>"

OTOH- should a rapper like KRS one say he wanted a gun?
i would be happy for him. maybe he could teach some youngstas the real reason for having one, protection, not ego.

thorn726
October 20, 2005, 10:44 PM
well, more often than not, this forum is pretty good about this kind of thing. you wouldnt believe the misinformation people post sometimes without searching another source first on other forums

HERE is some bacground on our sticky friend, looks like a nice guy? maybe? really hard to tell. sure yer not a "gangsta" now that you have money but what happened with tupac big and those other guys?
from mtv's site
Rapper Sticky Fingaz was the frontman of hardcore rap goup Onyx and is best known for his husky voice and brash rapping style that dragged the hip-hop sound into the mosh pit. The Brooklyn-born Kirk Jones spent much of his early life as a member of a notorious New York street gang. Jones began performing with his cousin Fredro Starr, and the pair was soon discovered by hip-hop legend Jam Master Jay. Soon after, they formed Onyx. In 1993, Onyx released their first album, Bacdafucup, which became a crossover hit thanks in large part to Sticky Fingaz' gritty style and raspy voice. The group produced two more records before Fingaz left the group to pursue solo projects. Jones also pursued a side career as a film actor. His first solo album, Black Trash: The Autobiography of Kirk Jones, which was released in 2000, is a conceptual album that is cinematic in scope that tells the story of Kirk Jones, a down-on-his-luck ex-con who finds himself wrapped up in the street life. The record stands as an impressive debut that blends Sticky Fingaz' two loves: film and hip-hop. Decade, released on D3 Entertainment, followed in 2003. It didn't fare nearly as well as the debut, but it did crack the Billboard 200. ~ Jon Azpiri, All Music Guide

KONY
October 20, 2005, 11:00 PM
Thorn, just for the record, please don't feel like you are being attacked personally as I have seen lots of this sentiment on THR. With that said, this is entirely my opinion but ... I think lots of these rappers share the very same fascination with firearms that we share. Sure, they may not be expressing their fascination in the most PC manner, but I still see it. However, some of these guys come from cities/states like NYC where the law does not allow them to exercise their RKBA so they lose out on the simple pleasures that most of us enjoy like packing up your favorite firearm, heading to the range and throwing some lead downrange. Moreover, they also miss out on getting a proper firearm education. Anybody have any thoughts on this? Feel free to disagree as I'd like to get reactions ... really! :)

Soap
October 21, 2005, 12:24 AM
thorn- So Sticky Fingaz is a jackass, that's not new info. Try being an Asian with a hot white girlfriend passing by the 11th vendor at the show selling the Turner Diaries, imagine the looks you get. My point is, I go to those gunshows and I see scores of people I think are jackasses, but do I think they don't have a right to own a gun? No.

thorn726
October 21, 2005, 02:49 AM
ha! believe me, i know what it is to be profiled.
way more than most white people.
i hitchiked the deep south with long hair, and now, worse-
dreadlock white guy.
depending on where i am - i am shoplifter, drug dealer, heroin addict, the list goes on forever.
the really funny part is the looks i get while i am actually working, shoveling some huge pile of dirt or whatever.

anyway-
I think lots of these rappers share the very same fascination with firearms that we share. Sure, they may not be expressing their fascination in the most PC manner, but I still see it

yeah , interesting point. some truth to that.
but clothes, skin color, hair- are NOT how i ever base my judgements (ha especially here with all the rich kid fake tough guys)
it's attitude. once you've met a few of these actual killer types, you know more what i mean. and worse, the idiots who want to imitate them but have no idea of what it really means to end up in prison.


the problem is you get a fascination without any legal, safe practice, and we end up with what happened last May here.

DUMB girl calls "friend" , supposedly tells him to bring gun to disperse crowd of thugs bugging her. "friend" fires away at crowd, kills girl who called him.

the reasons this person owned gun were not what i would call logical reasons.

-end result? society is already placing the blame firmly on the gun and society itself. the "gun culture" he was involved in told him this action, shooting over a respect issue, was warranted. ???!


it really doenst take much talking to a person to determine whether they are from this line of thinking or not.

i feel minimal questioning at point of sale can determine these problems more often than not, and im willing to take the chance of occasionally being wrong in favor of freedom- but am i in favor of randomly doling out weapons without some knoledge of intentions. of whether the buyer at least has a CLEAR understanding of the 4 rules?
no.

i really don't think i am being extreme here.
the big problem right here is some are assuming "people who listen to rap" and
"gangster/youngsta/killers" are the same people.

when you meet a real gangster, you'll know the difference, and probably understand why i wouldnt want said person to have a gun.

ever seen a crackhead's tooth knocked out for getting too close to dealer while buying??

or a kid shot in the leg over 20 bucks?

at the same time one of my best friends is covered in tatts, loves rap, hangs out in rap clubs, etc, and is a total gun lover.

i guess the difference starts really when your money is connected to the music/lifestyle. you either have a job, or you sell drugs and rap

LadySmith
October 21, 2005, 06:17 AM
I see a lot of hypocritical sentiments whenever the subject of rap comes up:
"I'm all for freedom, live & let live…but you're an idiot if you listen to that rap crap."
"Self defense is an inalienable right…unless you're a rapper, then you deserve to be murdered."
"No one should be denied the right to keep and bear arms…unless you're one of those rap guys."
I don't understand the ad hominem vitriol that's spewed over a form of entertainment. Movies have plenty of guns, violence & misogyny, yet it's seen as a legitimate 1st Amendment-protected enterprise. Why is putting the same on CD so wrong? Is rap being blamed for rude, criminal behavior in the same way that guns (instead of people) have been blamed for violence? Maybe it's being taken far too seriously, or I'm not taking it seriously enough. Sure, rappers often refer to guns, but I like guns, so to me that is not necessarily a bad thing.
I'm also curious to see if the consequences for Sticky Fingaz will be similar to Crosby's as the circumstances are practically identical.

DRZinn
October 22, 2005, 12:45 AM
"I'm all for freedom, live & let live…but you're an idiot if you listen to that rap crap."Where's the hypocrisy in that?

spocahp anar
October 22, 2005, 08:04 AM
I don't care for his character on Over There. I didn't know who he was until I read this thread.


Its just a show its all fictional................

Pilot
October 22, 2005, 08:41 AM
If you believe truly and deeply that gun ownership is a natural right, why does it bother you if some "gangsta" owns guns?


Because by definition a "gangsta" is a CRIMINAL. When these "gangstas", ie gang members commit a crime with a gun, it gives more ammunition to the gun banners. The probability of this guy being involved in crime with a gun is high. They need this type of press for record sales.

Soap
October 22, 2005, 10:52 AM
Pilot- Most people give these guys too much credit. I don't know if you realize that most of the street cred "gangsta" stories are nothing but fish tales. That said, if someone wants to fake being a hardass, I don't care if they own a gun or not.

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