Bought an... interesting Mauser today


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Dionysusigma
October 19, 2005, 02:19 AM
Well, I'm out $125 for a pristine Yugo M48, including almost all of the cosmoline removed. Numbers match except for the bolt. Bore looks decent for a gun that's had corrosive ammo through it its whole life. 96% bluing. No rust. At all. Wood is excellent, however...

... the previous (Yugoslavian or somesuch) owner "personalised" this thing. :uhoh: A lot. Think along the lines of a child with a handful of crayons and a nice blank wall--except that it's a rifle stock in perfect condition and they used a knife.

Now, normally, I'd be annoyed, but this is some interesting stuff. :scrutiny: There's some cyrillic lettering carved into the right side of the stock, but my Russian is not up to scratch. There's a very rudimentry shield on the left side of the buttstock (takes up the whole thing), divided into four quadrants. Lastly, there is a very deep notch that looks like it was sawn into the comb of the buttstock, right in the middle.

So far, I think that the shield is either some sort of national marking made by a patriot or possibly a coat of arms; whatever it is, it looks like it never got finished. I'm guessing the notch is a kill, but who knows... :confused:

I'll post some sketches when I have time.

Does anybody here know a few cyrillic languages? :o

P.S. Where can one find the front sight hood for one o' these?

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Kurush
October 19, 2005, 02:33 AM
Are there 4 c's on the quadrants of the shield? It sounds like you might have Serbian trench art. Need pics :)

only1asterisk
October 19, 2005, 03:03 AM
Sight unseen I'd guess Kurush is right.

David

Cosmoline
October 19, 2005, 03:43 AM
Is it one of the personalized Bosnian Mausers with the blue fleur de lis on it? Those are choice finds. Here's the legendary Hasselhoff M-48:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/Gussick/Mvc-021f.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b52/Gussick/Mvc-019f.jpg

pbhome71
October 19, 2005, 03:55 AM
Check your PM.

-Pat

Kurush
October 19, 2005, 04:43 AM
Here's the legendary Hasselhoff M-48:
:)

There were a bunch of Yugo AK kits with 90210 stickers on them too.

USSR
October 19, 2005, 09:11 AM
I can read cyrillic, just need a pic or a good description.

Don

cracked butt
October 19, 2005, 09:56 AM
Hasselhoff LOL.

I've seen a few with a colored fleur de lis on the stock and one with a crescent moon and star. I wish I would have bought those.

I had a M48A with the word or letters 'DVOBA' crudely carved in the stock, not sure what that meant.

Dionysusigma
October 19, 2005, 08:15 PM
My camera is currently in the hands of a friend to whom I traded for a rent check. I traded the camera, not the friend :o :D

However, I did make a sketch in MS Paint of the writing:

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=30172&stc=1&d=1129763454

There aren't any Cs that I saw, nor fleur-de-lis, nor David Hasselhoffs. :neener: :D

Cosmoline
October 19, 2005, 09:18 PM
I make a point of putting Hasselhoff's photo under the buttplate of every rifle I sell, just to sew discord and confusion. :D

Kurush
October 19, 2005, 11:17 PM
The first word is God, dunno about the second.

"БОГ ЧУВ" right?

Crosshair
October 20, 2005, 12:52 AM
This is one of the great things about surplus. The mystery of a rifles history.:cool:

Cosmoline
October 20, 2005, 07:20 AM
Kurush, isn't the word for "God" the same as the word for "year"?

GunGoBoom
October 20, 2005, 10:43 AM
I make a point of putting Hasselhoff's photo under the buttplate of every rifle I sell, just to sew discord and confusion.

ROTFLMAO! :D

Cosmo, are you the actual owner of the Hasselhoff M48?

Old Dude
October 20, 2005, 10:53 AM
Cosmo, don't have Cyrillic fonts at work, but the Russian word for year is, in fact, spelled in the Russian equivalent of GOD, but pronounced more like "goat." The Russian word for God is spelled, as that is, BOG, but prounounced more like we would pronounce the nonesense word "boke."

Darth Ruger
October 20, 2005, 11:05 AM
I make a point of putting Hasselhoff's photo under the buttplate of every rifle I sell...
I go one better than that. Every one I sell has a picture of Sarah Brady
under the buttplate. :D

oldfart
October 20, 2005, 01:59 PM
These things happen. I have an acquaintance, a dealer at local gunshows, who had a Spanish '93 with an extensively carved stock. Whoever did the work was a bit of an artist and was able to make the carved stock actually look good. We considered the possibility that the previous owner had spent entirely too much time sitting at a post in some nearly-forgotten mountain pass and had to do something with his time. I considered buying the gun, but passed since I already had a perfectly good German-made Model '93 and I'm really not much of a collector.

Commissar Gribb
October 20, 2005, 02:37 PM
I go one better than that. Every one I sell has a picture of Sarah Brady
under the buttplate. :D

One better would be a picture of sarah brady with concentric rings superimposed over it as a way to give proof of the rifle's grouping to the next buyer.

Cosmoline
October 20, 2005, 03:37 PM
ROTFLMAO! :D

Cosmo, are you the actual owner of the Hasselhoff M48?

I wish.

Dionysusigma
October 20, 2005, 08:22 PM
Kurush: The first word is God, dunno about the second.

"БОГ ЧУВ" right?

Yep. I left the "serifs" on there--it was pretty roughly carved, but I didn't want to leave anything off that might be important. The difference between E and F, for example.

USSR
October 20, 2005, 09:52 PM
БОГ is God, as previously stated. Second group of letters, "ЧУВ", may be an abbreviation. It would be pronounced like "Chuv", but I cannot find this word in my Russian/English electronic translator.

Don

Crosshair
October 21, 2005, 12:04 AM
Could they mabee be initials or a slang term? Just throwing out ideas. Some troops fighting the brits in the Boer War went by the motto "GOD EN DIE MAUSER" (God and the Mauser) showing their respect for these superb weapons was only eclipsed by the respect for god. Could this be something similar?

KriegHund
October 21, 2005, 12:09 AM
Thats nifty- its interesting to see how far these weapons travel and just who could have fired them.

For all i know my mauser could have sat in an armory, or it could have been used by a great or dastardly man....

antarti
October 21, 2005, 12:34 PM
... but...

"ЧУВ" is probably some conjugation of "ЧУ" which means (emphatic) "Listen!" or "Hear me!"

So "GOD HEAR ME" (or possibly "God HEARD me", and thus the notch), is what you probably have there.

"vogg Choove" is the best phonetic way I can write it, so you can pronounce it somewhat closely.

Interesting piece for sure.

MilsurpShooter
October 21, 2005, 02:16 PM
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orangeninja
October 21, 2005, 03:20 PM
Don't forget the type of military actions taken using Yugo arms...Bosnian...Serb conflict amongst others. I'm a fan of trench art but mostly on Yugo SKS rifles. To me they add character. Recently my brother in law got an SKS with M on one side and W on the other on the grip, but on the buttstock was an LD or somthing. Probably the guys initials and unit as several bands of "soldiers" had no identifying uniforms. Of course his gun didn't have David Hasselhoff, but it DID have a sticker of the Geni from Aladin...you know, the Disney cartoon.

Also, there is an SKS in this area with a 2 headed eagle and a shield roughly carved into the stock....a Serb thing. Several guys carved various Serb Christian and Muslim markings in their stock.

Your rifle could possibly have seen some action.

.45Guy
October 21, 2005, 04:26 PM
Might I point out that there are subtle differences between Serbo-Croatian and Russian...

.45Guy
October 21, 2005, 04:41 PM
It would be "God guards" or "God protects"

orangeninja
October 21, 2005, 05:40 PM
It would be "God guards" or "God protects"


Now why would someone name their rifle God?:D

TexAg
October 21, 2005, 05:56 PM
Don't forget the type of military actions taken using Yugo arms...Bosnian...Serb conflict amongst others. I'm a fan of trench art but mostly on Yugo SKS rifles. To me they add character. Recently my brother in law got an SKS with M on one side and W on the other on the grip, but on the buttstock was an LD or somthing. Probably the guys initials and unit as several bands of "soldiers" had no identifying uniforms. Of course his gun didn't have David Hasselhoff, but it DID have a sticker of the Geni from Aladin...you know, the Disney cartoon.

Also, there is an SKS in this area with a 2 headed eagle and a shield roughly carved into the stock....a Serb thing. Several guys carved various Serb Christian and Muslim markings in their stock.

Your rifle could possibly have seen some action.

Dude! I saw that SKS at Military Gun Supply with the Genie! I was thinking of getting it for my brother-in-law. Well, now I will just hope for a Hasselhoff sticker!:D

.45Guy
October 21, 2005, 05:58 PM
Well, the second would be "čuv" perhaps " protect v. čuvati "

orangeninja
October 21, 2005, 06:44 PM
Dude! I saw that SKS at Military Gun Supply with the Genie! I was thinking of getting it for my brother-in-law. Well, now I will just hope for a Hasselhoff sticker!:D


Yep, that was it....it was a good deal....bluing was a little worn...though not much. No rust and minor pitting in the bore but the lands and grooves are sharp. We shot it and it turned out to be the most accurate SKS I've ever fired....including an unissued one.

Dionysusigma
October 21, 2005, 10:35 PM
Well, whatever it is, it's going in my sig line. :)

Thus far, we've got "God, hear me" and "God Protects." Any other ideas? :confused:

Cosmoline
October 21, 2005, 11:33 PM
The Russian translators are choking on the second word. I did a google on the phrase and it came up in a number of Russian documents. It looks like some old prayer. I should round up one of the local Orthodox priests and see if he can make heads or tails of it.

Dionysusigma
October 22, 2005, 08:30 PM
I'd much appreciate it. :)

This is why I refuse to get a tattoo in a foreign language I don't know--you never know what it actually says. To you, it might mean "strength, courage, honor" but it might really say "Eat at Mac's BBQ." :uhoh: I'd hate to have a rifle that says "My hovercraft is full of eels" or somesuch. :o

MilsurpShooter
October 22, 2005, 08:36 PM
Friend of a friend of a friend told me this story, wanted some Chinese lettering on his tattoo. Strength, Honor, Courage, Life. Had it for a year before someone who could read chinese stopped him on the street and told him it really read

"One Stupid American"

Looked it up later on the net and went to "talk" to the guy, guy had closed shop about 4 months earlier

He since had it covered but, god lol

ewb45acp
October 22, 2005, 09:35 PM
"My hovercraft is full of eels" or somesuch. :o

The Tobacconist sketch was one of the best ever. Now I need to go get the tapes out of the attic and start watching.

max popenker
October 24, 2005, 05:20 AM
Ok, guys, first you must remember that it is Yugoslavian gun, so language is most probably Serb, not Russian. It uses same Cyrillic alphabet but is somewhat different.
i suppose that "БОГ ЧУВ" in Serb may be the same as Russian "Бог Жив", that is "God is alive". At least, it makes sense. ;)

Stickjockey
October 24, 2005, 02:11 PM
Pure conjecture on my part-

possibly "god Wills it" or like phrase, along the lines of the Latin "Deus Vollt" ("God Wills It")?

.45Guy
October 24, 2005, 02:39 PM
1.
bog= the lord
bog= the almighty
bog= power
bog= davinity
bog= deity
bog= god
bog= gott





2.
čuvati fend
čuvati economize
čuvati dete sitter-in
čuvati kao dragocenost enshrine
čuvati milicijom police
čuvati mladu devojku chaperon
čuvati novac za slučaj nevolje reserve money for emergencies
čuvati od zaborava embalm
čuvati ovce shepherd
čuvati se be shy of
čuvati se keep off
čuvati se to keep from
čuvati se look about
čuvati se save up
čuvati se save oneself
čuvati se beware
čuvati se fight shy of
čuvati se da take care to
čuvati se od guard against
čuvati tajnu to keep a secret
čuvati u kovčegu enshrine
čuvati u škrinji enshrine
čuvati ulaz u masonsku ložu tile

antarti
October 25, 2005, 11:58 AM
Just got word from a Russian acquaintance, a language professor no less. Told her about where the inscription was found, said she knew very well what it said: "GOD HEARD!". Past-perfective case or somesuch of the verb "hear".

I'm waiting on a Serbian Orthodox friend (newly minted US citizen) who did some fighting down there for his translation. Will post back.

EDIT: Got a reply back. He seems to think the carving is incomplete, and should be "БОГ ЧУВА СРБЕ", which would mean "God protects Serbs". Otherwise word "ЧУВ" is not a word in Serbian at all, which leads him to believe that part of it is missing. Check your stock again.

So you may never get resolution... you are back to 2 possibles, but being that somebody from the region itself says "God Protects", that's probably more accurate.

USSR
October 25, 2005, 12:40 PM
It looks like some old prayer. I should round up one of the local Orthodox priests and see if he can make heads or tails of it.

I'm an Orthodox Christian, and it's not likely to be slavonic (the text that is used in old Orthodoxy), as hardly any of the slavic people can read or write this text.

Don

Dionysusigma
October 25, 2005, 10:12 PM
Wow, thanks. :) The sketch of the inscription that I posted is the complete thing, not just part of it. Two groupings of three letters each.

Well, a new question presents itself: Should I finish the inscription, or leave it as it is? I was thinking of improving the shield a bit, but am unsure. Would this ruin the value of the rifle at all? Or, is it already "marred for life" and, in a collector's opinion, worthless?

Something tells me that it should be left alone, the same way a Mosin 1891 with black paint on the stock should be left undisturbed... :scrutiny:

Kurush
October 25, 2005, 10:19 PM
Don't touch it! Modifying it at all would ruin the authenticity. Guns with authentic trench art are considered very desirable by many collectors.

Lucky
October 25, 2005, 11:34 PM
"EDIT: Got a reply back. He seems to think the carving is incomplete, and should be "БОГ ЧУВА СРБЕ", which would mean "God protects Serbs". Otherwise word "ЧУВ" is not a word in Serbian at all, which leads him to believe that part of it is missing."

OK, no disrespect, but that's the funniest ???? ever. Lo-omg-L. Was reading with interest and fascination, then got to this part. The other jokes got me warmed up, I guess. But LOL!

Guess we know why this bloke's rifle is for sale as surplus in the USA, now don't we? Dude should have spent a little more time looking up and less time carving his rifle stock.

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