Slow Golfers - Beware Of Impatient Deputy!


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Molon Labe
October 19, 2005, 07:46 AM
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/states/california/northern_california/12933917.htm

CHINO, Calif. (AP) - An Orange County sheriff's reserve deputy was ordered to trial for allegedly pulling a gun on two slow-playing golfers and threatening them at Los Serranos Golf & Country Club.

Witnesses said Raymond Yi, 44, pointed a gun at the golfers and flashed his sheriff's badge during the July incident.

"When I saw him cock his gun, something fell out and my mouth dropped. I couldn't believe this was happening on a golf course," said golfer Marcelo Bautista, 35, a Los Angeles teacher who was playing on the course with his uncle Gustavo Resendiz.

Bautista said Yi had hit two balls toward the men and at the 14th hole Bautista hit Yi's ball back toward him. According to Bautista, Yi confronted him, left the fairway and returned with a badge and pointed a gun to his head.

Bautista and Resendez continued playing but Yi followed them, pushed Resendiz and then cocked his gun.

"I really thought I was gonna be killed right then and there," said Resendiz, 61.

At the end of Monday's preliminary hearing, Superior Court Judge Raymond Youngquist said there was enough evidence to order trial. Yi is charged with two counts of assault with a firearm and two counts of making criminal threats. He will be arraigned Nov. 1.

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michiganfan
October 19, 2005, 07:57 AM
There are times if I was on his jury I could call his actions justified. LOL

HSMITH
October 19, 2005, 09:40 AM
I sure have felt like doing that before. Slow golf is like bad manners, there just isn't an excuse to justify it.

TexasRifleman
October 19, 2005, 09:44 AM
Why anyone would be in a hurry to finish a game where the object is to drive around in an electric car, drinking and hitting a little white ball is beyond me.

What's the hurry? If you are in that big of a hurry, take up a quicker sport.

AnthonyRSS
October 19, 2005, 09:46 AM
Slow is relative. They may have been playing just as quickly as you.

GT
October 19, 2005, 09:49 AM
http://golf.about.com/cs/golfterms/g/bldef_playthru.htm

PLAY THROUGH bonehead.

G

nfl1990
October 19, 2005, 09:56 AM
WHAT THE HE$$ was he thinking.
This guy is willing to shoot someone over GOLF, and the (wacko) state of CA made him a deputy??
Oh well, it is CA.

c_yeager
October 19, 2005, 10:06 AM
WHAT THE HE$$ was he thinking.
This guy is willing to shoot someone over GOLF, and the (wacko) state of CA made him a deputy??
Oh well, it is CA.

Reserve deputy.

Which is all the wonder of being a cop, except you dont get paid. Kinda have to wonder about the personality type that would be strongly attracted to a job like that.

Gunsnrovers
October 19, 2005, 10:15 AM
That this took place in California has nothing to do with things, but once again it only takes mention of the state to bring out the peanut gallery.

As to why someone would want the job, reserve deputies are like volunteer firemen. A lot of folks volunteer to serve their community.

It is however, like a lot of things, an opportunity for cronyism. Raymond Yi was the martial arts instructor for the Sheriff which should make the trial and the results interesting.

dakotasin
October 19, 2005, 10:49 AM
golf is like bad manners, there just isn't an excuse to justify it.



there... fixed it for ya.

keyhole
October 19, 2005, 11:58 AM
Two guys were playing golf, when they encountered a slower couple of women playing. The one guy told his partner to go up, and ask if they could play thru. He came back, stating that he couldn't ask them, because it was his wife, and mistress playing. The second guy went up, and came back, replying, "Small world isn't it?":)

AirForceShooter
October 19, 2005, 12:04 PM
I always knew Golf was dangerous.
Hence the observation:
"A golf course is a sad misuse of a perfectly good rifle range."

AFS

Waitone
October 19, 2005, 12:26 PM
The guy was wound entirely too tight to play a decent round of golf. He needs to get a fine cigar and a splash of single malt and just mellow out.

That said, I hope his handler give him the corncob and kerosene treatment. Such behavior should be forever categorized as "unacceptable."

Lupinus
October 19, 2005, 12:31 PM
I never understood the game of gold personaly.

You hit a ball....you drive/walk, you hit the ball agian. And whoever hit's the ball less wins...hey whatever flaots your boat.

But yeah this is dumb. Though I did see a guy whack someone on the mini golf course with his club when I was a kid.

Actually there may be a use for golf. Hitting a golfball in the air would be a lot more interesting and challenging then a clay :evil:

"Four!"
BANG!
"Tiger *** was that!"
:neener:

Justin
October 19, 2005, 12:32 PM
<VPC "logic">

You see? Golf causes violence! If that golf course hadn't been there, that guy wouldn't have threatened those people.

</VPC "logic">

Janitor
October 19, 2005, 12:49 PM
What's the hurry? If you are in that big of a hurry, take up a quicker sport.
Exactly.

To a last one - the people I know who play golf do so to "relax".

So relax already.

444
October 19, 2005, 12:56 PM
keyhole, that is funny.

Pilgrim
October 19, 2005, 01:03 PM
As to why someone would want the job, reserve deputies are like volunteer firemen. A lot of folks volunteer to serve their community.

It is however, like a lot of things, an opportunity for cronyism. Raymond Yi was the martial arts instructor for the Sheriff which should make the trial and the results interesting.
When I left law enforcement in the PDRK six years ago, there were three levels of reserve peace officers in the state.

Level I reserves had the most training, and had peace officer powers of arrest while on duty. Level I reserves could work solo. If they had the equivalent of a basic police academy training, they could be designated by their employing government body to have 24 hour peace officer status.

Level II reserves had less training, and had peace officer powers of arrest while on duty. Level II reserves had to work under the immediate supervision of an officer who had completed the basic police academy.

Level III reserves had the least amount of training. They did not have peace officer powers of arrest while on duty. Level III reserves were sometimes called 'technical' reserves, as they had specialized skills that were useful to law enforcement. The Los Angeles County Sheriff was known for making outstanding training films because they had a large number of Level III reserves whose regular vocations were in the Hollywood & television film making industry.

PDRK law requires reserve peace officers to have a CCW permit to carry a firearm concealed when not on duty.

The Los Angeles County Sheriff created a PR nightmare for himself when he suggested creating a special reserve force of celebrities and political heavyweights to bolster the image of the department. The 'reward' for volunteering their time would be a CCW permit. The Sheriff was attacked from all sides for his proposal. He quickly abandoned the idea.

Pilgrim

Gunpacker
October 19, 2005, 01:04 PM
"Sheriff's dept. MARTIAL ARTS instructor?" And he went for a gun??? Seems like a better course of action for him would have been to sucker the guy into taking a swing at him. Guess maybe it was one of those "Those that can, do--those that can't, teach."

chris in va
October 19, 2005, 05:22 PM
http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/6340/fdown45uf.jpg

"Now you're gonna die there, wearing that funny little hat."

beaucoup ammo
October 19, 2005, 07:01 PM
Good plan! I'll enjoy a good cee-gar from my stash, but go with "The Famous Grouse" rather than a single!:O)

Take Care

Standing Wolf
October 19, 2005, 07:07 PM
See? Only the police and military are qualified to have guns.

Jeff White
October 19, 2005, 07:35 PM
Golf courses....a waste of a perfectly good rifle range......

Jeff

HighVelocity
October 19, 2005, 07:58 PM
If the deputy pulled that trick on my golf course I can imagine a couple of old timers pulling Garands out of their golf bags and teaching him some manners.

Jake
October 19, 2005, 08:07 PM
"Golf is a good walk spoiled."
-- Mark Twain

CB900F
October 19, 2005, 11:08 PM
Fella's;

Actually, golf courses are not well suited to be rifle ranges. Most are in urban enviroments, we know that. While I can sympathize with the sentiments of Air Force & Jeff, I feel I must set the record straight.

Golf courses are perfectly good natural motocross tracks going to waste.

:neener: :D 900F

M-Rex
October 20, 2005, 12:18 AM
Kee-riminey. Now that was dumb.

Our Level III Reserves could only work the jail.

blackedoutharley
October 20, 2005, 12:56 AM
I always knew Golf was dangerous.
Hence the observation:
"A golf course is a sad misuse of a perfectly good rifle range."

AFS


Otherwise known as "The contact sport of Corporate America"

:neener:

Johnny_Yuma
October 20, 2005, 02:31 AM
front nine, I resent the implication that slow golf is poor ettiquite. It takes TIME to find those balls. I won't even get into the frustrations of the greens.

This guy would have needed an ennema to locate his badge if he had pulled that on my course.

Powderman
October 20, 2005, 03:09 AM
Reserve deputy.

Which is all the wonder of being a cop, except you dont get paid. Kinda have to wonder about the personality type that would be strongly attracted to a job like that.

The personality type that wants to get into law enforcement, tests and tests again, does not make the cut and gets into a Department as a Reserve Officer to gain experience.

Or:

The type that wants to get into Law Enforcement, but can not justify giving up a 60-70K per year job and the resultant cut in pay.

Or:

The type that grows up in a small, close knit community that does not have the budget for a lot of full time officers--but can and does take on concerned citizens as reserve officers.

Please do NOT paint all Reserve Officers with the brush that seems to come from the statement above. A lot of full-timers started their careers out as Reservists.

In the State of Washington, we have to go through an academy that is a minimum of 240 hours of instruction to be Reserve Officer certified. After you get back to your Department, you have to go through an FTO period, same as any other Officer, and a probationary period.

Frequently, any additional training has to come out of your own pocket. Some Departments will at least sponsor their Reservists for continuing education classes, but the costs of those classes are paid by the Reserve Officer.

In Washington State, the common standard is that you must have 1000 hours of patrol time logged before you are allowed to go solo--and then, you only do so after an exhaustive examination. Considering the fact that in most cases, you must patrol a minimum of only 20 hours per month, you can see how long that can take.

I have been a Reserve Officer since 1997. Frequently, I would log in 30 hours of patrol per WEEK. I started with one Tribal Police Department, and now work for another.

Reserve Officers have to go through the same hiring process as other officers--to include the poly, psych, and all the other attendant testing.

Yours,
Your friendly neighborhood Powderman
Senior Reserve Officer (Level 1 Reserve)
Puyallup Tribal Police

pax
October 20, 2005, 03:18 AM
Right on, Powderman.

If it weren't for the volunteers, neither the police nor the fire department out here would amount to much.

pax

c_yeager
October 20, 2005, 03:43 AM
Right on, Powderman.

If it weren't for the volunteers, neither the police nor the fire department out here would amount to much.

pax

Your being awfully generous, I have met too many of our local reserve deputies to support that statement. I have also met a lot of our paid firefighters, and without them we dont have a FD. Then again I live in the city and that almost certainly puts forth the poorest possible example. Broad brushes do work both ways. Im sure powderman is an excellent example, and im pretty sure that he doesnt work in the city of Seattle nor Orange county.

losangeles
October 20, 2005, 03:51 AM
Ironic. Golf is supposed to be a casual game for relaxation.

Powderman
October 20, 2005, 06:17 AM
Your being awfully generous, I have met too many of our local reserve deputies to support that statement. I have also met a lot of our paid firefighters, and without them we dont have a FD. Then again I live in the city and that almost certainly puts forth the poorest possible example. Broad brushes do work both ways. Im sure powderman is an excellent example, and im pretty sure that he doesnt work in the city of Seattle nor Orange county.

To be fair, I have met my share of dunderheads.

Also, as far as Seattle is concerned, I must relate an experience that I had. At one time, I was seriously interested in joining Seattle PD, via the Reserve component.

I talked to their Reserve coordinator (at that time--which was in 1999, and undoubtedly has changed by now), and one question I asked was if Reserve officers were allowed to qualify and carry backup firearms. Here is what I can remember of the response:

"@$%##@!! I don't know why people are so hung up on backup guns. :uhoh: I've been a cop for 20 years and have NEVER DRAWN MY GUN ONCE. :eek: :eek: You'll have to ask someone else that knows about that %^%&##$@!!." :eek: :eek: :what:

I withdrew my application post haste.

I have found that within individual departments, the professionalism and training of the Reserve Officers depends on the attitude the Department has about the Reserves.

Some officers openly call Reserves "keystone/kiddy kops". Some officers refuse to let Reserve Officers ride with them.

Some Departments maintain the 1000 hour requirement, and mandate that during that period the Reservists must ride with a full-time officer. If you have lots of folks that refuse to let a Reservist ride with them, the officer never gets qualified.

Some Reserves are the target of open resentment and hostility. One former Reservist on our Department was ridiculed because he questioned the legal practices of some of the full time officers. Well, being a fully tenured Professor of Criminal Law (J.D., PhD), I guess he was qualified to do so.

So, yes, I do understand your post. No offense taken, by the way. :D

Nematocyst
October 20, 2005, 06:50 AM
Joe went golfing with his buddy Dave on Saturday morning.

In early afternoon, Joe returned home, sullen.

His wife, ever the chipper spirit, chimed, "Hi, honey! How was your game?"

Joe responded, "It was a real bummer. Dave dropped dead on the third hole.
For the rest of the day, it was hit the ball, drag Dave; hit the ball, drag Dave."

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