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AechKay
October 19, 2005, 10:53 AM
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=30155&d=1129734687

M14? Either way, soooo beautiful.

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AechKay
October 19, 2005, 10:56 AM
So much for auto-image resize. OH NOES!!! THE DREADED DOUBLE POST! :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

Stinkyshoe
October 19, 2005, 11:13 AM
Nice rifle, Tough looking man holding it. I wouldn't want to mess with that combo...:eek: (God bless him and keep him safe)

cane
October 19, 2005, 11:36 AM
Yes, it is a M-14.

TexasRifleman
October 19, 2005, 11:38 AM
An M-14? Nooo, couldn't be. Those are obsolete and useless right? :evil:

Gordon
October 19, 2005, 11:48 AM
Looks like they painted and reycle my 1967-68 gun!:rolleyes:

JamisJockey
October 19, 2005, 11:58 AM
So much for auto-image resize. OH NOES!!! THE DREADED DOUBLE POST! :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:

I was lead to something wonderful recently
http://www.irfanview.com/
Shareware/freeware, easy to edit and resize photos with. Get it, resize that mutha, and never ever post a picture that big again
:cuss:

EddieCoyle
October 19, 2005, 12:00 PM
An M-14? Nooo, couldn't be. Those are obsolete and useless right? :evil:

I suspect that there's quite a few of them in use overseas. One of my customers is currently manufacturing 50,000 20-round M14 mags per month!

Telperion
October 19, 2005, 12:04 PM
Does anyone know why the stripper clip guide is a solid block?

MaterDei
October 19, 2005, 12:10 PM
I wonder if they only issue those to Sergeant Majors? :)

EddieCoyle
October 19, 2005, 12:12 PM
Does anyone know why the stripper clip guide is a solid block?

Stripper clip? I thought they had detachable magazines. I think that's a brass deflector.

Derek Zeanah
October 19, 2005, 12:12 PM
Fixed sizing by resizing and uploading, rather than drawing directly from the army.mil site.

Kharn
October 19, 2005, 12:16 PM
Stripper clip? I thought they had detachable magazines. I think that's a brass deflector.M14s normally have a stripper clip guide where that black rubber-looking block is.

Kharn

AirForceShooter
October 19, 2005, 12:26 PM
armors issue them to really good friends and guys with rank up the wazoo who give them to critical personnel.

AFS

Randall
October 19, 2005, 12:53 PM
the block may be a scope mount for the 2 piece mount.

dasmi
October 19, 2005, 12:54 PM
Very nice gun. Who needs an AR?

El Tejon
October 19, 2005, 01:10 PM
Check out the camo pattern. Reminds me of the old ASAT bowhunter stuff (which is highly effective where I live).:)

thereisnospoon
October 19, 2005, 03:01 PM
[slaps foreheada] So that's where the stripper goes...little small don't ya think?

ktd
October 19, 2005, 03:47 PM
some units in both the Marines and Army have, in a fit of common sense, instituted a designated marksman setup. As far as I can tell has been done both officially and unofficially, where one guy in the squad is chosen for his marksmanship abilities and given a rifle that can better make use of those abilities. Usually it is an M14, sometimes with a scope. I have also seen guys riding around Iraq with an M16 with a large hunting type scope, I would guess for the same purpose.

Traditionally, only the Navy seemed to have M14s, for shipboard use, but the limited supply of infantry M14s seems to be making a comeback lately.

JamisJockey
October 19, 2005, 04:09 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designated_marksman

Dr.Rob
October 19, 2005, 04:10 PM
What's suprising is the lack of optics.

Neat pic.

DMK
October 19, 2005, 10:26 PM
What's suprising is the lack of optics.
From the background it looks like he's in an urban area. Might be choosing the ability to make snap shots and keep a wider field of view instead of the long range precision of a scope.

Commissar Gribb
October 19, 2005, 10:37 PM
What's suprising is the lack of optics.

Neat pic.

you might also say that about a target rifle like an AR...

Detritus
October 20, 2005, 12:53 AM
Check out the camo pattern.

yeah i love it, take one USGI m-14 fiberglass stock (dark brown for those who don't know) mask off a few places, spay'er down with desert tan krylon, let nature take it's course and cause chipping an flaking, instant two tone desert camo.....

it's cool when bubba jobs are actually "tactical".

btw i am not dengrating the rifle or those who made it like it is in the pic, i actually do like the result. heck if/when i ever get a standard M-1A (because if i did a paint job on the stock of a match grade rifle it wouldn't be camo) i might just try that pattern/technique out.

more like making fun of the concept that lots of money/time must be put forth to make a legit camo job.

Onmilo
October 20, 2005, 01:41 PM
The piece in the stripper clip slot definately looks like a scope mount bridge but I can't think of any one for the M14 that uses one that big.
Maybe it is just an optical illusion because of the angle the rifle is held in.
Full automatic selector is disconnected and a selector block is fitted, no big suprise there.
Rear sight isn't a hooded 'National Match' version, odd, but the rifle may be wearing the new tritium front and rear sight arrangement.
This rifle does appear to be a Designated Marksman version of the M14 with the precision optics removed for close in, daylight, urban use.
These are still my favorite all around rifles.
http://www.fototime.com/CEE762632A4D0E1/standard.jpg

Scout Sniper
October 20, 2005, 01:54 PM
The rifle is finally getting it's do, Hell Yes about time.this is a no-brainer:banghead: we used some as Spotter Rifles in the First Gulf War:D . commanality with the M40a1 ammo. 7.62x51 nato.
the m-14 is a hell of lot more accurate than the m-16;) , and should be the standerd rifle for the Spotter in a Sniper Team. just my opinion.

Too Many Choices!?
October 20, 2005, 03:12 PM
Unless I see a distance qualifier of some sort(like from 500-1000yds/m out), I will file this where it belongs,under OPAF. Opinion Posted As Fact,:rolleyes:,:neener:, :uhoh:, :evil:!!


A glass bedded , match barreled, and fine tuned M14/M1A WILL BE out shot by a free floated, match barreled, trigger worked M16/AR15, if both have good glass and/or shooters, it has been done to death at matches. Let's stay in the realm of reality where the AR15 series consistently womps many an accurized M1A at distances of up to a 1000yds/m in High Power matches. Please explain that FACT. Unless that statement was qualified by a given distance beyond the AR15's round's intended effective range(which would make the statement pointless), please tell me you are joking? Please?!

Too Many Choices!?

AechKay
October 20, 2005, 06:11 PM
Ok. While we're all conversing about different rifles here's something. I told my friend I was saving up for an AR15. He's buying some high powered rifle that uses the AK round. 7.62? Yea. So hes stating all these facts he probably googled online that are better than the nato round and my only comeback is what the army brainwashes into my head "smaller, lighter, more ammo". I mean if it were up to me we'd be using the same round the german mausers used in WWII.

What I want to know is what a rifle like the ar15, m16, or m14 can do that this highpowered rifle cant (or what it might be better at) cause im sick of his crap :P If you guys give me enough ammo I'll post the log in here and show me owning him in the conversation.

GunGoBoom
October 20, 2005, 06:21 PM
Yeah, I think I can just make out "Gordon's Rifle - 1967" inscribed on the side. :)

SpookyPistolero
October 20, 2005, 06:33 PM
I'd break it down. The M14 has a much more robust and reliable action than does the AR. I know ARs can be reliable. I know M14s are reliable. The next step is 5.56 vs. .308. What the .308 does that the 5.56 doesnt is maintain some energy out to those distances that the AR is making these 'more accurate hits'. Even inside the intended effective range of the AR, say 300 yards, the 5.56 has about 473 ft-lbs of energy with a 55 gr bullet. The .308 with a 150 gr bullet has about 1344 ft-lbs. Add something like wind (a bit common in the desert) in there to throw around the tiny 5.56 bullet, and the accuracy takes a drop. Open it up to 600 yards and the .308 is pulling about 1000 ft-lbs and the 5.56 has dropped to 370 ft-lbs.

I only take the time to post this because there is a worthy defense to be made for the role of a rifle like the M14. Sometimes you need the energy at longer ranges, and the 5.56 can't reliably deliver that. Both are combat accurate so that question is a moot point.

AechKay- Your friend is buying a rifle using the 7.62x39. This is much shorter and much more ballistically hindered than the 7.62x51 (.308). Do a search for that caliber in this forum and you will find a wealth of info. Oh, calling it a 'high-powered rifle' is akin to calling everything with a magazine and evil look an 'assault rifle', please stray from this practice.

All of these cartridges have their roles, and none fill every role perfectly.

Anyway, cool picture!

MTMilitiaman
October 20, 2005, 06:44 PM
My brother said that every squad in his platoon is getting an M14, apparently with a Leupold VXII 1.5-5 power scope. This combined with the apparent demand for the rifle in Afghanistan and the Navy's interest in reviving the rifle with the Sage stock system would lead me to believe the M14 is still alive and well for some roles.

Nice rifle, Tough looking man holding it. I wouldn't want to mess with that combo... (God bless him and keep him safe)

I bet his kids still just know him as "daddy." I sincerely hope he and his fellow soldiers make it home safe. Godspeed and God bless.

Dr.Rob
October 20, 2005, 07:01 PM
That's WHY I'm surprised... The Navy (in the form of the SEALs) still use the M-14 as an issue weapon, and for stuff like Polar bear defense on subs... unless that guy is a Navy? The Army usually issues the "DMR" as a scoped rifle... M-16 or M-21.

I've seen plenty of pics of reg. soldiers with civilian scopes mounted on their rifles... that's been a while since I've seen a pic of a 'naked' M-14 in service.

Black Majik
October 20, 2005, 07:13 PM
How can i ship something to that soldier. I wanna send him a can of tan krylon....

Commissar Gribb
October 20, 2005, 08:01 PM
He's buying some high powered rifle that uses the AK round. 7.62?

a high powered rifle that shoots 7.62 x 39? Isnt that like a "single shot machine gun" or "reasonable gun control"? ;)

VG
October 20, 2005, 08:22 PM
That's WHY I'm surprised... The Navy (in the form of the SEALs) still use the M-14 as an issue weapon, and for stuff like Polar bear defense on subs... unless that guy is a Navy? The Army usually issues the "DMR" as a scoped rifle... M-16 or M-21.
The M14 has never been out of Army inventory but wasn't in the TO&E. There are 100,000 or more still on the books.

The need for a weapon of this type has been long acknowledged. The Army put out a spec for the SASS - Semi Automatic Sniper System. The contract was recently awarded to Knight's Armament. http://www.knightarmco.com/sass.pdf

The U.S. Army ARDEC, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ 07806 has a requirement for a 7.62mm semi-automatic sniper system (SASS) capable of delivering precision fire primarily on anti-personnel targets out to a range of 1,000 meters. This system must be a man portable, shoulder fired system utilizing military standard 7.62 x 51 mm caliber ammunition but optimized for the open-tip M118LR long range ammunition. Additionally, M993 Armor Piercing (AP) ammunition will be fired based on specific mission requirements. Compatibility with the existing family of military 7.62 x 51mm caliber ammunition is also required. The primary components of the system include a rifle, detachable bipod, hard transport/storage case(s), soft carrying case(s), cleaning/maintenance equipment, and manuals. The weapon will have a flash/sound suppressor, high capacity (up to 20-round) detachable box magazines; rails/mounting surfaces for mounting fire control (optics, backup iron sights and aim- light) systems; variable power optics/electro-optics (in order to engage targets between 50 and 1000 meters); and an accompanying spotting scope with range estimation reticle(s) and a night vision interface. There will be a Base contract of thirty (30) systems for Type Classification with four Options. The Option ranges shall be as follows: Option I quantity range of 1-250 each; Option II quantity range of 1 ?550 each; Option III quantity ranges of 1-400, 401-800, 801-1,200 each; Option IV quantity ranges of 1-400, 401-800, 801-1,200 each . The offeror shall submit five (5) bid samples at no cost or obligation to the Government. The winning offeror must be able to deliver operator and maintenance manuals 15 days after contract award. The first fifteen (15) of the thirty (30) SASSs will be delivered with spare parts 30-days after contract award. The remaining fifteen (15) SASSs with spare parts will be delivered 90- days after contract award. The number of spares must be sufficient to cover Pre-Production Qualification Testing (PPQT) and Initial Operational Testing (IOT). There shall also be a First Article Test (FAT) quantity of five (5) items that must be passed prior to approval of Options. In addition, the contractor must be able to sustain a delivery schedule of 100 systems per month beginning 30 days from successful completion of First Article Testing. A competitive Request for Proposal (RFP) will be posted on the TACOM-ARDEC Acquisition Center website located at: http://procnet.pica.army.mil on or about 30 November 2004. Proposals/Bid Samples will be required within thirty (30) days from date of release of the RFP.

procnet.pica.army.mil/dbi/DynCBD/solicitation.cfm

This rifle, currently called the XM110 is very similar to the SR25 / Mk 11 Mod 0 selected by the Navy for a limited buy of 300 systems in 2000. Knights has delivered at least the first batch to the Army.

DMK
October 20, 2005, 09:20 PM
Is it just me or does his helmet look a little different? Is he a paratrooper or Delta or something?

VG
October 21, 2005, 07:45 AM
Starting in 2003 or so, the Army started fielding the ACH [Advanced Combat Helmet, AKA MICH] to all units. Originally fielded in SPECOPS, this helmet is higher cut to accomodate body armor, NODs, and commo gear. It is substantially lighter than the old helmet and has better retention for airborne and vehicle operations.

The USMC also developed a new lightweight design that looks more like the old helmet but is somewhat (.5 lb) lighter tha the old Kevlar (about 3.6 lbs)

Both will take an oblique 9mm bullet strike without penetration.

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